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Date Posted: 12:21:24 07/09/07 Mon
Author: Jubellant
Subject: Kathy, Claudia Joy did not say it wasn't Denise's place she said it was a tough call, that Jeremy needed to own up to his responsibilties and that she ran the risk of Frank feeling betrayed by both of them. In bed Frank had stated he didn't want Denise's protection but her honesty. The look of guilt on Denise's face after he said that and the fact that she asked CJ if she should be the one to say something tells me she wasn't sure she was making the right decisions. They say go with your gut feeling and her gut was saying tell Frank. She has even told Jeremy she was lying to her husband because of him and had to carry the guilt of that. (Inside)
In reply to: Jubellant 's message, "I hate, the silent treatment. Cool down, to avoid saying the regretable, then communicate. When Frank stated he needed his wife to be honest, was the time for Denise to tell him about Jeremy. Maybe make him promise not to blow a gasket and let his son come to him about it. Frank learned about West Point from someone other than his wife and finds out his wife was being abused and that a senior officer knew about this before he did. He may feel a little irrelevant in his own home. Jeremy seems unable to face the consequences of his actions. Instead of proving he is sorry action-wise, he does nothing to earn anyone's trust ('talking' to Amanda). Denise and Frank seem to have had an unequal marriage partnership. Denise will find her voice by becoming the mother who is protecting her cub." on 10:22:15 07/09/07 Mon

Frank is hurt. Right or wrong the Alpha Dog existence had been the household dynamics and Denise hadn't challenged that role. In bed was the perfect time to tell Frank. He had just told her he had accepted the fact that Jeremy was not going to West Point, he was in a malleable frame of mind. It was the time to get everything out in the open. To be blindsided by yet another secret when he thought they had cleared the air was not fair. I too agree with what Kh's Jennifer and Theresa's comments about Frank but Denise is not totally off the hook on this one.

Jeremy's apology did not seem sincere to me. It didn't seem genuine and was a little forced if you ask me. (Maybe it's the acting). He only had a change of heart when he knew his mother wasn't going to take it anymore. He only sought help from Michael Holden because Amanda was in the picture. He had the nerve to strike his mother after he had been warned by Michael and only owned up to it because Roxy too, now knew his secret and it was better if Holden heard it from him first. He only was telling his Dad because Michael had said he had to. We'll just have two totally different viewpoints on this issue Kathy. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out! Maybe the shock of his father's uncertain fate made Jeremy realize the error of his ways. But for me as Jennifer said the jury is still out on this one!

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[> [> [> We'll agree to disagree on this one Jubellant. I didn't see guilt on Denises face,but fear. Like Theresa said, how in the world were they supposed to tell him about West Point and hitting his mom while he's in Iraq. They couldn't distract him like that, and why was Frank checking his emails, he just got home for heavens sake you'd think he'd talk to his wife. And I'm sorry, but to blast him with those things just after he's gotten home from being missing would have been worse. Jeremy is 18 and should be allowed to make choices about his life without his dad saying, "the boy is going to West Point" and putting pressure of Denise to follow his instruction. -- Kathy, 12:34:21 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> While you're right Denise has some fault, and Jeremy should have a form of punishment, Denise was right in that she was working on forgiving him and it was her choice. She's starting to stand up to Frank. This man is so alpha and he won't even let Denise go back to nursing in a future preview. And with Franks temper, you can bet your life I wouldn't have told him in bed either. I'm not excusing Jeremys actions and I'm not saying Denise is totally innocent, but I am saying right now Frank is an idiot. Also, Jeremy went to the Holdens to talk to Michael and Amanda anweres the door. He wasn't there to see Amanda, he was there to see Michael and he was honest with Michael and reaching out for help. His relationship with Amandas start much later. -- Kathy, 12:37:47 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Jeremy was only there after he was caught by Roxy and Denise threatened to throw him out (a family theme here?). The cat was out of the bag, he was saving his skin. You are right about him being there first and running into Amanda after. Jeremy had the nerve to cont. hitting his Mom after being warned by Michael. As to Denise showing fear, I didn't perceive that as Frank had been calm about the West Point thing. Denise told CJ that she had surprised how well he took it. She had never seen Frank so angry only after finding out about the hitting. As you say we'll have to just disagree on the timing thing. Hey I'm ancient and the parents still think they can tell you what to do. When I call them on it they laugh. Not that they get anywhere LOL! One real AW said they preferred being truthful. -- Jubellant, 13:11:21 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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