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Date Posted: 10:22:15 07/09/07 Mon
Author: Jubellant
Subject: I hate, the silent treatment. Cool down, to avoid saying the regretable, then communicate. When Frank stated he needed his wife to be honest, was the time for Denise to tell him about Jeremy. Maybe make him promise not to blow a gasket and let his son come to him about it. Frank learned about West Point from someone other than his wife and finds out his wife was being abused and that a senior officer knew about this before he did. He may feel a little irrelevant in his own home. Jeremy seems unable to face the consequences of his actions. Instead of proving he is sorry action-wise, he does nothing to earn anyone's trust ('talking' to Amanda). Denise and Frank seem to have had an unequal marriage partnership. Denise will find her voice by becoming the mother who is protecting her cub.
In reply to: KH (had her first helicopter ride this weekend. AMAZING! 's message, "Well I'm signing in on the fly as I head out the door for work to say "Another amazing episode". I do have to say that I'm not real pleased with Frank at this moment. He has every right to be angry, but he isn't handling the situation well at all. And let's just say we now know where Jeremy gets his temper from. Frank is very much a mega male and likes to be in control. I'll elaborate more after work tonight, but I thought I would make a couple of comments. Have a Great Day Everyone, see you after work and Take Care! :o)" on 06:47:16 07/09/07 Mon


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[> [> I disagree Jubellant. I agree with Claudia Joy that it wasn't Denises place to tell Frank about Jeremy. That was Jeremy's responsibility. Frank very obviously has a hot temper and while your're snuggling in bed after just being with your wife is not the time to tell him something like that. And besides, when would Denise have had time to let Frank know about Jeremy not going to West Point? He had just gotten home. Denise can't help it that he checked his emails before he talked to her. I don't think Frank feels irrelevant in his own home, I think Frank is so used to being Alpha Male in his own home and Denise asking how high when he says jump, he's pissed off because he's not in control. And to take it out on Denise is childish. -- Kathy, 11:45:36 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> I totally disagree with you on Jeremy as well. Jeremy has been owning up to what he did and working on getting forgiveness from his mother. I'm mad at Frank as well and agree with KH, Jennifer and Theresa. -- Kathy, 11:46:43 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> Frank must be used to being the final word on everything, otherwise how would he think he could possibly separate a mother from her child against her protests and not get some serious backlash? Denise didn't even have anything to say about it. He just threw her son out of her life. He even told Michael Holden to keep him and HIS WIFE out of whatever he did with Jeremy. He's not giving her a choice, and considering the growth she's had since the beginning of the season I don't think Denise is going to put up with that at all. -- Theresa, 12:14:19 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> ITA with your assessment Theresa. Claudia Joy was right on telling Roland about growth but not necessarily together. Denise has been growing at home while I expect Frank has been growing while being deployed. Frank is in for a big surprise from Denise. She is not the little wallflower anymore. I think the last thing Frank expected was the need to protect his wife from their own son. I think he can't look at Jeremy right now and he would really hurt him if he saw him. The more mature thing to do would have been for Frank to leave to cool off but I don't think he would trust Jeremy alone with his wife. He is embarassed that it will get out that the Major's son beats his mother. I guess it would be hard to earn the respect of your men if you don't even have that respect in your own home. -- Jubellant, 12:32:32 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Again well said Theresa. Wow, we're 3 for 3 in agreement here. It's a record for us..lol. -- Kathy, 12:41:29 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> LOL! Had to happen sometime. -- Theresa, 14:08:34 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> Kathy, Claudia Joy did not say it wasn't Denise's place she said it was a tough call, that Jeremy needed to own up to his responsibilties and that she ran the risk of Frank feeling betrayed by both of them. In bed Frank had stated he didn't want Denise's protection but her honesty. The look of guilt on Denise's face after he said that and the fact that she asked CJ if she should be the one to say something tells me she wasn't sure she was making the right decisions. They say go with your gut feeling and her gut was saying tell Frank. She has even told Jeremy she was lying to her husband because of him and had to carry the guilt of that. (Inside) -- Jubellant, 12:21:24 07/09/07 Mon [1]

Frank is hurt. Right or wrong the Alpha Dog existence had been the household dynamics and Denise hadn't challenged that role. In bed was the perfect time to tell Frank. He had just told her he had accepted the fact that Jeremy was not going to West Point, he was in a malleable frame of mind. It was the time to get everything out in the open. To be blindsided by yet another secret when he thought they had cleared the air was not fair. I too agree with what Kh's Jennifer and Theresa's comments about Frank but Denise is not totally off the hook on this one.

Jeremy's apology did not seem sincere to me. It didn't seem genuine and was a little forced if you ask me. (Maybe it's the acting). He only had a change of heart when he knew his mother wasn't going to take it anymore. He only sought help from Michael Holden because Amanda was in the picture. He had the nerve to strike his mother after he had been warned by Michael and only owned up to it because Roxy too, now knew his secret and it was better if Holden heard it from him first. He only was telling his Dad because Michael had said he had to. We'll just have two totally different viewpoints on this issue Kathy. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out! Maybe the shock of his father's uncertain fate made Jeremy realize the error of his ways. But for me as Jennifer said the jury is still out on this one!


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[> [> [> We'll agree to disagree on this one Jubellant. I didn't see guilt on Denises face,but fear. Like Theresa said, how in the world were they supposed to tell him about West Point and hitting his mom while he's in Iraq. They couldn't distract him like that, and why was Frank checking his emails, he just got home for heavens sake you'd think he'd talk to his wife. And I'm sorry, but to blast him with those things just after he's gotten home from being missing would have been worse. Jeremy is 18 and should be allowed to make choices about his life without his dad saying, "the boy is going to West Point" and putting pressure of Denise to follow his instruction. -- Kathy, 12:34:21 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> While you're right Denise has some fault, and Jeremy should have a form of punishment, Denise was right in that she was working on forgiving him and it was her choice. She's starting to stand up to Frank. This man is so alpha and he won't even let Denise go back to nursing in a future preview. And with Franks temper, you can bet your life I wouldn't have told him in bed either. I'm not excusing Jeremys actions and I'm not saying Denise is totally innocent, but I am saying right now Frank is an idiot. Also, Jeremy went to the Holdens to talk to Michael and Amanda anweres the door. He wasn't there to see Amanda, he was there to see Michael and he was honest with Michael and reaching out for help. His relationship with Amandas start much later. -- Kathy, 12:37:47 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Jeremy was only there after he was caught by Roxy and Denise threatened to throw him out (a family theme here?). The cat was out of the bag, he was saving his skin. You are right about him being there first and running into Amanda after. Jeremy had the nerve to cont. hitting his Mom after being warned by Michael. As to Denise showing fear, I didn't perceive that as Frank had been calm about the West Point thing. Denise told CJ that she had surprised how well he took it. She had never seen Frank so angry only after finding out about the hitting. As you say we'll have to just disagree on the timing thing. Hey I'm ancient and the parents still think they can tell you what to do. When I call them on it they laugh. Not that they get anywhere LOL! One real AW said they preferred being truthful. -- Jubellant, 13:11:21 07/09/07 Mon [1]


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