I don't think Jeremy knows squat....I think he also has a secret, which might be divulged in next week's ep. I don't think Denise is still tempted, I think her backing away & walking out tells us she knew it was wrong & it was a mistake. Ghetti's comments may be an answer to Denise's telling him it was a mistake, who knows the exact context. I do think Denise will honest with Frank, & I can see Frank reacting very badly. Frank to me is not a forgiving man, & he IMHO will never forgive Denise & will blame her for everything. He will IMHO use this mistake against Denise, as a way to keep control over her. Frank wants her to return to the little mousy housewife who just goes along with his every command. I don't see Frank wanting to change, nor do I see it happening. Inside... -- Army Wives: Celebrating the circle of friendship!

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Date Posted: 09:25:12 07/29/08 Tue
Author: Jennifer
Subject: I don't think Jeremy knows squat....I think he also has a secret, which might be divulged in next week's ep. I don't think Denise is still tempted, I think her backing away & walking out tells us she knew it was wrong & it was a mistake. Ghetti's comments may be an answer to Denise's telling him it was a mistake, who knows the exact context. I do think Denise will honest with Frank, & I can see Frank reacting very badly. Frank to me is not a forgiving man, & he IMHO will never forgive Denise & will blame her for everything. He will IMHO use this mistake against Denise, as a way to keep control over her. Frank wants her to return to the little mousy housewife who just goes along with his every command. I don't see Frank wanting to change, nor do I see it happening. Inside...
In reply to: Jubellant 's message, "Based on the previews, do you think Jeremy knows something about Ghetti and his Mom? The fact that Ghetti decided to remove himself from the equation implies that Denise is still tempted, what do you think? Will Denise come clean with Frank?" on 07:36:37 07/29/08 Tue

Frank is to much of a bully and a control freak. He wants Denise under HIS thumb, where he, and only he calls the shots. He wants Denise locked in the house, just pining and waiting for him, to be available at his beck & call when he needs her.

I'm disappointed with the kiss....I really wish they hadn't of gone there, because Frank is going to use this against Denise, and again IMHO he will never forgive her. But I do see Denise as the one to tell, as she feels guilty and knows it was wrong. Denise has to take responsibility for this, and for her part in the downfall of the marriage. Unfortunately, I don't see Frank doing the same thing, nothing is his fault, and he will own up to nothing and will blame Denise, her job, etc., for everything. Men like Frank don't change....

I don't like Frank....I don't think I ever will, and if some spoiler predictions are true, I'm going to like him and his attitude even less. I really hope Denise doesn't go back to being the noneity housewife who is controlled by her bully husband.....she let that go on for waaaaaay to long, and if Denise finding herself means the end of the marriage and happiness for her then so be it. At first I wanted to see Denise and Frank work things out, but again, I don't see Frank as being capable of changing or accepting Denise as an equal, to him she's nothing but something he owns and something that he needs to control and give permission to, like a 5-year old. I don't seem him forgiving, and well hell, who needs to live like that?

There is no excuse for the kiss...it was wrong, it was a mistake and it shouldn't of happened. I think Denise knows this, but IMHO one kiss doesn't mean Denise is a cheater or an adulterer, or that she has a pattern of doing this and is going to do it again. But it has made her realize that she is a person too...that she counts...her emotions, her feelings, her wants all should be not taken for granted, and its not always about Frank and what he wants and what his needs are. But again, I don't see Frank owning up to anything, nor do I see him forgiving. He'll throw it in Denise's face every chance he gets, that's what kind of man he is.

We shall see....

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[> Jeremy just knows his mother seems happier, but he doesn't know why. I couldn't disagree with you more Jubellant. Just because Ghetti is removing himself doesn't imply anything on Denise still being tempted. She pulled away from him and walked away. I don't know how Frank will find out, but I'm hoping it finally gets to the bottom of why Denise was tempted by another man and Franks role in that. Because it's their relationship that lead to Denise and Ghetti. And Denise didn't cheat on Frank, it was only a kiss and she pushed him away and walked out. -- Terri, 16:25:14 07/30/08 Wed [1]

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[> [> Amen Sister!! LOL......... -- KH, 18:55:05 07/30/08 Wed [1]

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[> [> Hi Terri. Finaly some discussion and controversy. Good, LOL! I think Denise is getting too much slack here. Ghetti had started to get phsyical in the garage stroking Denise's arm. He did not share one kiss but several in the staff lounge. The fact that she did not instantly pull away bothers me and I am glad that she eventually did. So I disagree with it being only a kiss. There was a pause before he continued and that is when she should have stopped pronto IMHO. So canI agree with some other posters that said if this were Frank sharing kisses with another woman he would be crucified. I based my comments on the previews that said "A wife is torn between following her heart and staying faithful to her family". That to me implied she is still tempted (Inside please) -- Jubellant, 22:10:00 07/30/08 Wed [1]

The announcer did not say a wife feels guilty. Also if my ears heard right when Denise says he (meaning Frank) doesn't know Jeremy replies "What either of us have been up to?" I could be totally wrong here. I agree with Jennifer's statement that Frank was being an a** and Neanderthal but as Denise said to Pamela he married someone who was willing to quit nursing to become a wife and a mother. Now that she has outgrown that role and is changing at least allow the guy some time to adjust to the new her. He is obviously doing things that probably worked before in the past and he has to realize that there relationship has entered a new stage. It took 20 years for Denise to realize there was a me in their relationship. I think it is unrealistic to expect Frank to change on a dime and from long distance at that with his mind probably being flooded with all sorts of images as to what exactly he will be returning home to. I think if he were the one who had changed Denise would have a hard time at first to with what was in front of her.

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[> [> [> Sorry the post took off I started to say So can't agree with the Only ond kiss part of your statement. -- Jubellant, 22:11:38 07/30/08 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> [> Excuse the typos as my text took off before I could proof read and I am a bit sleep deprived -- Jubellant, 22:16:43 07/30/08 Wed [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> I'll wait & see the ep first...IMHO the voiceovers on previews are meant to "entice" & lure us into watching, so I'm not quite sure about the following her heart bit. I think Denise feels guilty more than anything else, not tempted. And by the same token Jubes, if we are giving Denise too much slack, I think you are giving Frank waaaaay too much credit LOL! Seriously, I gotta hand it to you for continiung to support & defend Mr. Caveman, I've given up on him after his "let" comments. I disagree that he misspoke, I think Frank clearly meant what he said, & that he truly feels that way, that Denise needs his permission to do anything, & anything she does is only because HE allows her to do it. No misspeak there, Frank firmly believes that he should be the one making ALL the decisions. -- Jennifer, 07:56:13 07/31/08 Thu [1]

I've said the kiss was wrong...and Denise will have to deal with that. But I'm not going to cut Mr. Caveman any slack either, he's just as much at fault for the state of their relationship as she is. The thing is I can see her working harder to fix things, to get back on track, & I can see Frank doing nothing.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> I agree Twinny! And like Jennifer said, don't hold too much stock in the Lifetime announcers comments for the previews. It's called spin and they do it all the time on all networks for all shows. And usually what they're saying during there commercial announcements has nothing to do with the character or the episode, it's like Jennifer said, they do it to entice. Also, take a look at the preview for next week with Denise and Claudia Joy, it shows how guilty Denise feels and CJ even says to her, "it was just a kiss and you didn't act on it." I'm not excusing the kiss because I wish it hadn't happened, but like I've said, TPTB could have handled it much much worse and gone the affair route, but they didn't. Inside... -- KH, 10:39:22 07/31/08 Thu [1]

Also, Denise did push him away and her facial expression right before she ran out spoke volumes. She knew it was wrong and got the hell out of dodge. I agree with everything you said Twinny! Take Care! :o)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Actually I gave up on Frank when he tried to sell Denise's motorcycle without her knowledge....its like well, I Frank made the decision for my wife that she's not to have it, so I, Frank will take it upon myself to sell it, because she needs my permission to keep/ride it, & since she doesn't have its well within my right to dispose of it. Sometimes I think caveman is too generous a term for ole Frankie LOL! -- Jennifer, 11:22:40 07/31/08 Thu [1]

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[> [> Okay twinnies we shall see. I shall by an optimist as far as Frank is concerned even though his caveman Jack actions makes my hair stand on end,. He has so much potential and eventually does come around. What I hate is we have no background on Frank and have no idea where he is coming from., At times he is just so clueless and reacts first and listens afterwards, like with Jeremy, Denise's nursing, her motorcycle. Can no longer get the previews from Lifetime as they closed of their video section to aliens like myself. So uncalled for as all the other American sites allow access to everything except full episodes! Thumbs down Lifetime! -- Jubellant, 11:34:32 07/31/08 Thu [1]

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[> [> [> I shall be (not by) and optimist! Thanks for clueing me in on what CJ said KH. I was dying to know what the preview was all about :)! -- Jubellant, 11:38:22 07/31/08 Thu [1]

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[> [> [> I shall be (not by) and optimist! Thanks for clueing me in on what CJ said KH I was dying to know what the preview was all about :)! -- Jubellant, 11:38:52 07/31/08 Thu [1]

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