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Date Posted: 15:25:58 10/30/08 Thu
Author: Jennifer
Subject: I didn't watch the episode, but from what I gather Frank cheated too. Why not any scorn or criticism of Frank's affair? IMHO, Jeremy has a much better chance of learning about Frank's cheating than he does Denise's, especially since he's over in the desert with his father. I am so sick of the double standard. I am by no means excusing what Denise has done, & its one of the reasons I'm not watching AW at this point. Inside for the rest....
In reply to: jagnut 's message, "previews for next week" on 16:24:04 10/20/08 Mon

I agree that the only way they can redeem Denise is if we see her in counseling, and pretty darn quick! I know it won't happen this year, but by golly the writers had better do something at the beginning of next season or I fear they will lose a ton of viewers. There aren't many people happy with the direction they've gone with Denise, and many many fans of Catherine Bell's are just plain ticked off (not at her mind you, she's doing a fabulous job portraying Denise but at the writing). You do not destroy a beloved character, and what they've done with Denise is inexcusable. I could see the mistake with Ghetti...but then the writers kept piling it on, and I seriously wonder if it was their intention to make Denise an unlikeable and detested character. At this point I'd have to say yes on that, because its been so out of the blue. The character is nothing like she was. No I don't want Denise to go back to being a controlled housewife who can only do things because her husband "lets" her. Don't even get me started on Frank LOL! But where is the caring, compassionate yet strong woman?

I can only hope that Denise is suffering from some sort of PTS. She still feels guilty about not doing more after the bombing, plus surviving that in itself has got to alway be in the back of her mind. She never really grieved for Ghetti, and now her only child is in the warzone. She's got a bully for a husband, someone who has never supported her, someone who expects her to be behind him all the way and do what he wants and needs her to do, but when the situation is reversed he's unwilling to do the same. Sure Frank came around, but only after Denise had to fight him tooth and nail, I mean seriously how exhausting is that? Not only mentally, but physically to have to fight for any type of support, its just plain wrong. And Frank belittles, he talks down to her, I think we need to see both in counseling starting with Denise.

She has to own up to her mistakes, and Frank (unlike in the past session where he blamed it all on Denise) has to do the same. But they've better start soon, because now that you've gone there, you can't take it back. You've totally destroyed Denise, and by golly now its time to start turning it around. Or else you will lose viewers. I know I want to LIKE the character that my favorite actress is playing, and its very hard to like Denise at the moment. And that's disheartening, because for the life of me I can't figure why they've gone there. I just don't get it...

Okay I've rambled enough....I do think Frank needs to be criticized as well, for his Mr. Holier-than-now-attitude he's done exactly the same as Denise. He's cheated...with someone in his unit, and enough with the double standard.

I guess the only good is that since they both have cheated, they are on equal footing with that, and one isn't any better than the other. Frank can't hold it over Denise's head (like he does the kiss), when he's done exactly the same thing.

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[> [> I hope there is some lesson learned, some redemption for Denise and for Frank. Its really weird, I havent really liked Frank, but when they tried counseling I felt sorry for him, because now matter how hard Frank was trying( and I really think he was, that was a GOOD ep. btw) he just didnt get it and couldnt see Denise' growth as anything other than betrayal. Inside..... -- mkim, 22:46:29 10/30/08 Thu [1]

I really thought that they'd have then divorce, and I'd understand that, Denise had a right to the life she wanted without having to fight Frank every step of the way. But I just wish she'd have gotten a divorce and THEN began a relationship.

As I said, I hope they redeem her and Frank, this is crappy.


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[> [> It seems they both fell off the fidelity wagon and no Frank did not hesitate. I must admit I don't like the way the character has turned either and no I don't mean that against Catherine Bell in anyway....... -- jagnut, 15:20:36 11/01/08 Sat [1]

What I don't understand is it seems to me like everytime we see Denise we see Mac. They are at the hospital together, they are at Betty's together, they are at the restaruant together. Now we all know the post can not be that big of a place that everyone would not know. They are not even trying to be discreet about it.This is a far cry from the woman who had such difficulty over a kiss with Getty.


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