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Date Posted: 07:12:21 07/18/07 Wed
Author: KH
Subject: As for Jeremy's room, there is absolutely nothing wrong with his room or the colors. You should see some of the colors of the rooms of the young middle schoolers and teenagers of my friends. Some rooms are dark navy blue, dark gray, black etc. along with unsual graphics and heavy metal rock groups sporting tatoos, lights on the wall etc. Jeremy's room is a typical male teenagers room of today. Also Jeremy had pictures and posters and trophies, a bulletin board, computer etc. I found nothing odd or out of the ordinary with his room.
In reply to: KH 's message, "I'm sure Jeremy had friends, at the movie a young guy his age came up to him and told him about his Dad. We just aren't going to see it because it's not the focus of the show. Jeremy probably didn't feel he could go to his guy friends and talk about what he did to his mother, he never even told Amanda until he was leaving. Jeremy's embarassed and even says to Denise this past episode, "I can't show my face around here with everyone knowing what I did, there's nothing here for me anymore."" on 07:11:14 07/18/07 Wed


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[> [> [> As I have yet to see last week's eppy I was commenting on the view I got when Frank was opening up drawers to pack Jeremy's bags. Maybe my viewpoint will change when I get to see more of his room from the episode when Frank starts to clear out his room altogether. Maybe I am just out of the loop on room colors as most Mom's I know in my neck of the woods would freak out and say not in my house buddy I shall have to do some godkids intel on this one LOL! Also maybe it's not a north of the border fad! -- Jubellant, 08:35:13 07/18/07 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> I liked his room. Really intense and interesting, but even if I didn't like it, I'd let him have it as he wanted it. There was nothing in there that was lewd, destructive or immoral. It was just a color scheme. I dictate things to my kids if I think they need to be protected, but beyond that they are free to express their personalities as they choose. I'm actually surprised by Jeremy's room because it does look like he was allowed to choose his own colors and decor, and didn't have to conform to Frank's unreasonably rigid standards. -- Theresa, 10:49:29 07/18/07 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Aha LOL, so maybe Frank isn't so rigid after all! Freedom of expression is great I just feel it is telling us alot about Jeremy. I could be totally wrong and he may just have a thing for black and gray! I feel I have to stick up for Frank because I am hoping that Denise's choice for a husband has some merit. -- Jubellant, 12:25:13 07/18/07 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Or maybe Frank thinks that black and gray is manly, gruff and strong and so he doesn't mind his son's room being that way. As for sticking up for Frank, I'm sure he's a good hearted person, who has no idea how to be a part of a family because he's used to running the show. Denise made her choice with the information that she had. This is a totally new situation, she wouldn't know this side of him if he never had to show it. She wouldn't know his chauvinistic side until she chose to do her own thing and quit just being a wife and mother. -- Theresa, 13:13:35 07/18/07 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Perfectly true Theresa. I think it still boils down to CJ's speech to Roland about growth but not necessarily together. I'm sure hanging around Roxy and Pamela, two tell it like it is women and damn the consequences, is rubbing off on Denise. CJ is a wise and solid friend but I think Roxy and Pamela would be the type to push Denise out of her comfort zone. I must not forget Roland who is encouraging her to complete her nursing. I think Frank is going to regret her hooking up with her new friends! -- Jubellant, 14:21:30 07/18/07 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Or he could wake up and realize it's 2007 and not 1907, and accept her equality and freedom. -- Theresa, 16:58:56 07/18/07 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> LOL! I so agree with everything you said, Theresa! anyway, I think it's funny how a secondary character (ie Frank) is the center of our discussion, whereas main characters are almost never talked about... -- jo, 03:54:23 07/19/07 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well said on all accounts Theresa, I couldn't have explained it any better. One example I can give is my nephew (I have 2 girls) who is 13, his room is a very dark green which could almost pass for black, with yellow lights, heavy metal posters and you should see his my space sight, it's also dark and heavy metal. My brother also bought him black nail polish the other day (which I can't say that I would do...LOL), but he explains that this is his sons way of expressing himself and his interests at this time in his life. And I have to say that my nephew is one of the most happy, loving, caring and outgoing young people I know. He just has tastes at this time that aren't condusive to what we as adults my be fond of...LOL. I too think Jeremy's room is pretty cool! Take Care! :o) -- KH, 18:39:07 07/18/07 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> My ditto also goes to your comments on Denise. Claudia Joy said that Denise was one of the strongest people she knows and was sorry she doesn't tell her enough. Denise lost herself for awhile there defining herself as always being somebody's daughter, somebody's wife and somebody's mother. She lost sight that there was a Denise, but boy she sure has found her and wants a life of her own as well. Take Care! :o) -- KH, 18:42:22 07/18/07 Wed [1]


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