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Assemblies of Yahweh - Victims of Abuse Support Group


A Support Group for Survivors


Welcome to the victims of abuse support group for the victims of abuse of Jacob O. Meyer's Assemblies of YahwehTM, Bethel, Pennsylvania. A victim can be anyone who has ever been abused spiritually, mentally, emotionally, financially, sexually or physically.
According to psychologists, victims of abuse are often threatened by the abuser and are often afraid to come forward because they fear retaliation by the abuser.
In cults these abusers are often the cult leaders. This forum is dedicated to these victims. This is a place that you can tell your story and receive support from fellow victims.
Yahshua the Messiah and the apostles did not tolerate abusers in the early assemblies and neither should any commandment keeper today. Yahweh Elohim is not the author of confusion nor the promoter of evil doers. The prophet Amos clearly warned us: "Seek not Bethel for Bethel will come to naught." Amos 5:5

ATTENTION: The main purpose of this forum is to provide group support for those who have been victims. Some want to use this forum as a place to justify their abusive actions on the victims. This is not the purpose of this forum. Some would like us to believe that the abuse isn't so, but those who have survived the abuse have the life long psychological wounds to prove it. Some have tried the legal route only to find it to be a bridge to nowhere. This forum is meant to provide healing and solace for those.

The Opinions expressed here are those of the individual posters and not necessarily those of the forum administration.This site is not associated with Assemblies of Yahweh.


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Subject: Surviving Spiritual Abuse


Author:
Nathaniel
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Date Posted: 09:30:24 08/07/08 Thu
I found this interesting article on the internet while doing a search for victims of abuse in order to help the children of incest abuse, who attended Daleth School, run by the Assemblies of Yahweh.
Spiritual Abuse
This web site that I found this article on is run by former Elders of AOY who left because of the immoral behavior in the Bethel group. I hope this article is of help to anyone who has experienced spiritual abuse while a member of the Bethel Pennsylvania group.

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[> Subject: Re: Surviving Spiritual Abuse


Author:
Dunns
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Date Posted: 08:18:39 11/05/08 Wed
Nathaniel
The site you gave has nothing to do with the Assemblies of Yahweh. If you read it, you would soon find that out. Please read before you accuse. It would really really help. Lets face it, there is no abuse in the Assemblies of Yahweh is there? No there isn't.

No evidence.
Weak assertions.
Foolish statements.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Surviving Spiritual Abuse


Author:
Nat
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Date Posted: 12:40:44 11/05/08 Wed
The article in question is a general article about ALL abusive cults and the tactics they use. It is NOT addressed to a particular group. Unfortunately there are many sacred name groups that fit the mold of abusive cults. One should make himself familiar with these tactics.

You say there is no abuse in the Yahweh Cults. Perhaps you have had your head in the sand, you therefore couldn't see what has been going on. I guess you haven't been around as long as I have. Maybe you should talk to the victims who have left these groups over the years. It is not a pretty picture and I am glad that at last the truth is coming to light.
"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

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Subject: Fact-Check


Author:
number_8
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Date Posted: 13:24:57 11/19/08 Wed
The hardest part of typing in this forum is I will be discussing family-blood. I can’t bring myself to bring a “railing accusation” against them but the facts will show that there is a gulf that exists that cannot be crossed between members of my family and the family that remain by their parent’s side.

Point 1- Mike’s conviction happened six years after he left the Assemblies of Yahweh and broke contact with the family. As a truck driver he drives less than 300 feet from my front door and less than a thousand from his father’s. He has no contact us. His actions were despicable, not only to me and my family, my Assembly but also to every moral person on earth. He has done irreparable damage to himself and his family, (no wife or child should have to put up with what he did), me personally (he is number 7) and to our family. Can Elder Jacob O. Meyer be charged with Mike’s actions like this forum wants? Was Aaron when his sons were killed because of sin? Was Moses whose grandson became a priest of Baal? Having a child who does tragic things is not the issue, covering it (as Eli did) or defending the conviction is. Jacob C., (number 3), is the one who bankrolled Mike’s defense. The Meyer family who remain in the Assemblies of Yahweh never would defend such actions.

Point 2- Daniel (number 4). He has nothing to do with the family because he knows that we confront him with the Bible. At the funeral of our grandparents, Daniel showed up and when he came up to say “Hello!” to his parents. His father’s words were where, “Keep moving, nothing has changed, a funeral is not the time or place to discuss this”. We never welcomed him with “Open arms”. What should Elder Meyer have done, jumped up and kicked him out of the funeral home? Daniel makes his own decisions and lives his own life. We will remain with Yahweh’s Word.

Point 3- Joe (number 2). When our youngest sister ran away with no note or warning, we as a family, spent 2 days searching the roads and the ditches, calling the police, contacting her friends and generally going crazy with concern. Joe’s daughter knew the whole time where she was and never said a word. When our father found out about this he told Joe that something was not right. Joe said he would go home to fix the problems. That was the last time his father saw him for two months. Elder Meyer then discovered that Joe was into horrific perversions on the Internet. He was immediately terminated Joe from the Office staff and had the office locks changed, (because we couldn’t get hold of him to get the master keys back). Since then Joe has gone on to act on his perversions, divorcing his wife (no wife and child should have to put up with that) and has had multiple relationships. When we learned of his whereabouts Elder Meyer sent us to see if there was any way to change his mind. We returned in tears (ours, not Joe’s) when he tendered his resignation to the Assemblies of Yahweh. I am young, have only been married for 21 years and there is no way in heaven or below that my father, calling me to tell me that I had forgotten to turn off the barn lights, would make me do what he did to his family. It just makes me so incredibly sad.

Point 4- Mary’s (number 1) husband committed adultery. I can’t begin to understand how that made her feel. She is the first to admit that she reacted in the wrong way. When she repented, she spent years on probation as a member and then a letter of repentance was read in the Assembly with open discussion available. With the consent of the Elders, she was reinstated as a member. Yahshua said, “Go and sin no more” and “Whoever is without sin”. What more can she do than change and live a converted life, even in the face of history being thrown in her face. BTW-Matt. 19 contains the one acceptable reason for divorce making you available for remarriage.

Point 5- I just returned from Reading, Berks County, and there is no court record for anyone on the office staff. If there would have been a conviction, as the president of the organization, Elder Meyer would terminate them immediately, no further questions asked. Because we have school on-site, each employee must pass the strictest back-ground check by the Department of Education and the Pennsylvania State Police or they can’t be employed by the Assemblies of Yahweh.

Point 6- I spoke to Rebecca VanderMeulen. We have no idea how the "relative" rumor began. The closest we can come up with is her husband comes from central Europe. So do the Meyers along with probably a third of the population in America. Elder Meyer joked that because our forefathers and her husband’s come from the same area we are probably related. Meyer family reunions are generally at one of the families houses. She has never been to one.

I may have missed an accusation in the forum and not addressed it, this does not mean that it is right.


The Assemblies of Yahweh and Elder Jacob O. Meyer stand for adherence to Yahweh’s Word. No excuses. Am I the only one who reads these entries and sees that maybe why members of my family see our father as “controlling” is because they want to do what they want and they know he will show them from Yahweh’s Word where they are wrong, thus they transfer their anger to him. I personally am thankful for my parent’s love and direction and that my children are able to have a good relationship with two of the most incredible people in the world. What can I say, I love my parents.

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Subject: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


Author:
Michel
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Date Posted: 04:51:58 10/29/08 Wed
The organisation to whom the former comments above are addressed, is not the Assemblies of Yahweh. The link in fact, is to a completely different group: Incenst, abuse, hypocrisy? The Assemblies of Yahweh bear none of these characteristics. If they did, I'm sure one would have heard these things in the news. Elder Jacob O Meyer is a prominent member of the Bethel community (constable in fact), and it would be much appreciated, if those who are accsuing the Assemblies of Yahweh of these things, would reconsider their blighted, speculative, view.

The Assemblies of Yahweh has an excellent reputation, but they are strict when it comes to the law. Apparently, they want people to learn to be obedient to Yahwehs righteous laws.

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[> Subject: Re: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


Author:
fctedt
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Date Posted: 13:57:02 10/29/08 Wed
What I find interesting is the fact that you try to deny the immorality in the Assemblies of Yahweh, some of which can be documented in court records in Pennsylvania and elsewhere around the country.
Isn't it true that one of the children from Daleth School, now an adult, filed charges against her own father, who is still employed by the Assemblies of Yahweh for incest? Why would an organization that says that it follows the Law of Yahweh allow such a pervert in its midst? And isn't it true that there been charges been filed for child molestation against members of the Meyer family, and they are now registered sex offenders? And hasn't there been known cases of adultery, as defined by the scriptures, occurring in the Meyer family? And why have not the offenders been punished? And are they not still in the organization and/or on the payroll?
Should a man who allegedly committed incest against his own sister be ordained as a minister? Is it no wonder why Yahweh's judgment is upon this group.

You state that none of this has been published in the local papers. Could it be because the person writing the favorable articles about Jacob O. Meyer's Assemblies of Yahweh, is Rebecca VanderMeulen, whom Meyer has stated is a distant relative of his, whom he met at a family reunion? Is it no wonder then, that the Reading Eagle, don't print the real facts about this cult?

You also state that the AOY have an excellent reputation. One wonders where that would be? Perhaps in Antarctica where no one lives?
One of the local people expressed their opinion that the cult leader was a shyster.

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[> [> Subject: :}Re: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


Author:
Pontrefact (Talk)
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Date Posted: 08:00:54 11/05/08 Wed
fctedt.
You are lying and you know it. Hence, the lack of links, and the undertone mumbling [Yawn] . Everyone who knows the Assemblies of Yahweh knows you're lying. Is this your site by the way? You seem to be making some horrendous accusations . Why don't you do something constructive with your time and actually do some research.

There is no abuse, incest or polygamy (or whatever else), in the Assemblies of Yahweh. Maybe in the Sacred Name Movement, but not the Assemblies of Yahweh. You’re trying to put a blemish on the name of Yahweh and it isn't right. A false accusation is NOT right. If the Assemblies of Yahweh was a bad religious group, I'm sure it would be in the news. Why? Oh, only because Elder Jacob O Meyer is the chief constable of the whole area.

Dedicated men and women who believe in the commandments. They're not the "House of Yahweh", or the "Assembly of Yahweh" (Michigan) who likes to call themselves Assemblies of Yahweh when they are not. They're not the "remnant of Yahweh", or these other groups circulating around. They're a very moral and structured people. Some of them have weaknesses (don't we all) but ultimately, even those who are sick, try their best to keep the commandments of Yahweh. They're a real delight to be around.

Why the jealousy?

It's a ministry one can be proud of.
That's the Assemblies of Yahweh. .

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: :}Re: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


Author:
Ed
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Date Posted: 11:01:59 11/05/08 Wed
Humm... I don't see any false accusations in here. I for one, checked out that link that was in the other post. The link to the government's sex offenders site, that the other post said is located here: Government Sex Offenders Registry (Click). I did what the post said, and started with the name Micah, and sure enough there was the conviction. Perhaps you didn't click the "YES" box at the bottom of the second page that pops up after you type in the Meyer family names in the search box. If you go to the bottom of the page and click the YES button you will see the crimes against children and the crimes against Yahweh's laws. Since you claim to be around this group, then you must live in the vivacity of the groups headquarters and therefore you should have access to the Berks county courthouse records. Perhaps you should drive over there and examine them, if you haven't yet so done. All you have to do is to take the list of employees of your group with you. I have seen these records and the charges against the one who raped his own daughter. The cover-up is over. Bethel can no longer conceal the truth. The Bible says, that nothing is hidden that will not come to light. It seems now that this incest has come to light. Why hasn't the group's "Directing Elder" acted and marked and fellowshipped the daughter raper? Perhaps he doesn't know how to direct? Maybe he needs to buy a little eye salve!

The cult leaders can no longer threaten people in order to keep them silent and keep the cover-up going. Its over, the immorality and hypocrisy are now in the open.

As for these hypocritical groups, I won't be one of those who would defend pedophiles who engage in incest, for Yahweh says, "not only those who do these thing are worthy of death, but also those who give consent to those who do these things." Romans 1. It seem to me that you give approval to, agree with, and applaud these people by your own words in here! It is time for you to repent.
"I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that you mayest see." Revelation 3:18

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: :}Re: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


Author:
Forum
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Date Posted: 18:25:41 11/28/08 Fri
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[> Subject: Re: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


Author:
Meyer sibling
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Date Posted: 11:51:47 12/02/08 Tue
Yeah, "Constable of the whole area " Ha Ha Ha... First of all my father broke the Assemblies of Yahweh statement of doctrine when he ran for constable and voted for himself. He wanted to try to run for years, but one of the local Elders confronted him with the plain statement in the statement of doctrine of AOY against voting and running for office. So he kicked that Elder out and ran for office! That solved that problem.

For many years he said he was wanting to do it for the money. He said those guys get paid for doing nothing but delivering papers every once in a while. He only got I believe 2 votes cast by himself and family and the other guy got two votes so it was a tie and they flipped a coin to decide who would be the winner! Yes, it is true what they say about my father, he is a HYPOCRITE! He broke the statement of doctrine he should be disfellowshipped! But you'll never see that! Incidentally constable is a big nothing job, all they do is deliver papers from the courts. Of course that would be an advantage for people like Gary McAvin so he can get an advanced notice that legal papers were coming his way. No wonder why daddy wanted this job so bad! Buy the way it was people like Gary who put the blemish on the name of Yahweh. Anyone who would be charged in court for rapping his own daughter should be cast out of the Assemblies of Yahweh. And oh by the way, my father was NOT the first to use the name "Assemblies of Yahweh." The groups at Holt Michigan owns the legal name "Assembly of Yahweh" and any names similar to it. My father just bullies people around and tries to make it look like he has some legal right to THEIR name. So get an education and get your facts straight before you come in here to whine.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


Author:
Truth Seeker?
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Date Posted: 07:41:29 12/03/08 Wed
Your post makes it look like he has the judicial system of Berks County in his pocket. Is this guy that powerful?

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Subject: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 16:47:20 08/04/08 Mon
While Jacob O. Meyer claims he is some sort of "Moses," his actions speak louder than his words. Does Jacob O. Meyer follow the teaching of the Bible himself? After being around the Assemblies of Yahweh of Bethel, Pennsylvania, I would have to say absolutely not. Hypocrisy is rampant in this group. While they give lip service to Moses and the law, they fail to follow it themselves.

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[> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Franklin Eugene Rhoads (The Joyful)
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Date Posted: 19:07:05 10/30/08 Thu
>While Jacob O. Meyer claims he is some sort of
>"Moses," his actions speak louder than his words.
>Does Jacob O. Meyer follow the teaching of the Bible
>himself? After being around the Assemblies of Yahweh
>of Bethel, Pennsylvania, I would have to say
>absolutely not. Hypocrisy is rampant in this group.
>While they give lip service to Moses and the law, they
>fail to follow it themselves.

I would need more of a witness to aligations against The Assemblies of Yahweh - Bethel, PA. I have yet to see any provable aligation made against them on this forum.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Franklin Eugene Rhoads (The Joyful)
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Date Posted: 10:46:08 10/31/08 Fri
I have added a link to this dicussion forum to two of my web pages at:

YAHWEH NISSI
http://www.ourchurch.com/member/y/YAHWEH-NISSI

Other Links Of Interest - Recent News On HOY
http://www.ourchurch.com/view/?pageID=124642



>I would need more of a witness to aligations against
>The Assemblies of Yahweh - Bethel, PA. I have yet to
>see any provable aligation made against them on this
>forum.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
EBOBEL
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Date Posted: 21:15:37 11/01/08 Sat
Frankin Rhoades, would you just happen to be one of the jurors from the O.J. Simpson murder trial, ....still looking for more evidence? Perhaps what you should do is to go to the Berks County Pa. Court House and look up some of the charges there against employees of the Assemblies of Yahweh of Bethel, Pa. They are online you know.....and people are finding out the plain truth about this cult daily. You can't hide the truth anymore in this age of technology.

Incest is a crime that is punishable by death under the law of Moses. Why doesn't this group do something about the alleged incest in their mist?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
number_8 ()
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Date Posted: 07:53:20 11/19/08 Wed
I have decided I do not want anything to do with this forum. Thanks!

Last edited by author: Thu December 04, 2008 02:02:59   Edited 1 time.
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[> [> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Ysrayl
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Date Posted: 21:25:55 11/01/08 Sat
So you are looking for convictions are you? Well, maybe what you should do is to go to the Government's Sex Offenders Registry site located here: http://offender.doc.state.wi.us/public/search/searchbyname.jsp
and just start to type in the names of Jacob O. Meyer's family and you will see just who was charged and convicted of incest and registered as a sex offender. How about we start with the name Micah......

Oh by the way it seems that you are trying hard to get the attention off the Assemblies of Yahweh and put it on the House of Yahweh, by the links that you put to YOUR website. These diversionary tactics won't work anymore in the age of the internet. The spot light is on you now.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Earl
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Date Posted: 10:45:02 11/08/08 Sat
Wow, I went to those government court and sex offender registry sites and I found documented cases of incest, pedophilia, and gross immorality being committed by members of the Assemblies of Yahweh and the Meyers. If I would have known this sooner I would never, never, never given any money to this awful cult. How were they able to cover this up all the incest, adultery and gross immorality all these years? It is my opinion that Jacob O. Meyer should be disfellowshipped, along with his daughter Mary, his son Joseph and Gary McAvin! According to the Bible,
adulterers, pedophiles and child molesters do not inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh so why should they inherit the assemblies of Yahweh? Someone should contact the national news media and tell them to start an investigation of this group. There are worse things going on in this group than what was going on in that Mormon group in Texas.

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[> [> [> Subject: It's harassment...


Author:
Ysrayel?
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Date Posted: 17:17:19 02/26/09 Thu
To search the Wisconsin Sex Offender Registry you have to agree to some conditions. Namely the following warning:

"It is not the intent of the Legislature that this information be used to injure, harass, or commit a criminal act against persons named in the registry, their families, or employers. Anyone who takes any criminal action against these registrants, including vandalism of property, verbal or written threats of harm or physical assault against these registrants, their families or employers is subject to criminal prosecution."

This whole forum looks like harassment to me.

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Author:
Abbey
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Date Posted: 22:47:07 03/01/09 Sun
I have not read one single threat on this forum regarding the vandalism of property, verbal or written threats of harm or physical assault against any one current or past member of the AOY. What I read are people venting. Which is one of the things a forum is for.

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[> [> [> Subject: Doesn't make sense...


Author:
No name
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Date Posted: 11:56:55 02/27/09 Fri
So this forum is dedicated to tormenting parents of grown children who have committed trespasses after leaving the Assemblies of Yahweh.
This guy ends up on a sex offender registry so apparently there was some kind of conviction and some kind of sanction imposed, maybe a fine, jail, probation, has to undergo counseling, and of course registering for life.
But all that doesn't satisfy you, so you create this forum because making others suffer is empowering to our egos, especially when we can do it in secret and no one will ever know who we are and what our real intentions are.
What's next, taking the law into your own hands?
You all sicken me.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: NO NAME


Author:
SJ
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Date Posted: 22:55:22 03/01/09 Sun
IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE CONTENT OF THIS FORUM DO NOT VISIT.

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Subject: Assemblies of Yahweh & the Gary McAvin Dilemma


Author:
Yisrayl
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Date Posted: 19:07:20 12/03/08 Wed
It is my opinion that Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh are engaging in a cover up of the Gary McAvin scandal. Bethel has been trying to brush it under the carpet and keep the whole family affair a secret. Double talk don't change the fact that a charge was filed in court. Everyone knows that it takes years for courts to try pedophiles and often they escape prosecution because of technicalities.
Gary McAvin was charged in court BY HIS OWN DAUGHTER! We have a copy of the papers that were filed in court in our files that was sent to us by members who were fleeing "Sodom and Gomorrah" at the time. Pervs often try to get around the charges against them by using the statutes of limitation. Anyone that is charged with pedophilia, incest or sexual immorality should be dis-fellowshipped from the assembly, no excuses!

The next time you see Meyer ask him about his daughter's allegations that she was also the victim of incest.

When you are at Bethel ask questions. Don't worry about cult threats for asking probing questions. Cults often use thugs and goons that are sly cocky creeps as their enforcers, pay no attention to them. If they are around just stare them down.

In the scriptures evil Eli tried to cover-up his family's immorality and Yahweh punished him, he fell from his high seat and broke his neck for he was a very fat man with a beard! In my opinion there seem to be similarities between these stories. It seem that those at Bethel and the alleged pedophile have each other over the barrel, "You tell on me and I'll tell on you." What a dilemma!

When one of the members asked Joe Meyer why Gary McAvin got along so well with father, he replied, "Because they are so much alike."
Yeck! get me the vomit bucket I want to vomit.

The Abilene Files

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Subject: Reply to Nathaniel Meyer (number 8) Elder of Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Yisrayl
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Date Posted: 09:26:06 12/04/08 Thu
I have taken it on myself to express my opinions on some of the posts that have been posted here by Nathaniel Meyer.

In posts to this forum by Nathaniel Meyer (aka Number 8),
He asked where were the links to the site with the Pennsylvania court records containing charges of incest against members of the Assemblies of Yahweh.

REPLY: Why do you need a link Nathaniel? Why don't you just ask your wife if she ever filled any charges against her father for sexual abuse? Isn't she Gary McAvins daughter? Everyone here would like to know what the outcome of the court charges were? Could you ask her and then post her replies here? Did Gary get away with a "statutes of limitation" defense? Was her father convicted? Please reply to these question here.

In his second post here Nathaniel Meyer said the following,

"Date Posted: 13:24:57 11/19/08 Wed

"The hardest part of typing in this forum is I will be discussing family-blood. I can’t bring myself to bring a “railing accusation” against them but the facts will show that there is a gulf that exists that cannot be crossed between members of my family and the family that remain by their parent’s side.

"Point 1- Mike’s conviction happened six years after he left the Assemblies of Yahweh and broke contact with the family. As a truck driver he drives less than 300 feet from my front door and less than a thousand from his father’s. He has no contact us. His actions were despicable, not only to me and my family, my Assembly but also to every moral person on earth. He has done irreparable damage to himself and his family, (no wife or child should have to put up with what he did), me personally (he is number 7) and to our family. Can Elder Jacob O. Meyer be charged with Mike’s actions like this forum wants? Was Aaron when his sons were killed because of sin? Was Moses whose grandson became a priest of Baal? Having a child who does tragic things is not the issue, covering it (as Eli did) or defending the conviction is. Jacob C., (number 3), is the one who bankrolled Mike’s defense. The Meyer family who remain in the Assemblies of Yahweh never would defend such actions.

"Point 2- Daniel (number 4). He has nothing to do with the family because he knows that we confront him with the Bible. At the funeral of our grandparents, Daniel showed up and when he came up to say “Hello!” to his parents. His father’s words were where, “Keep moving, nothing has changed, a funeral is not the time or place to discuss this”. We never welcomed him with “Open arms”. What should Elder Meyer have done, jumped up and kicked him out of the funeral home? Daniel makes his own decisions and lives his own life. We will remain with Yahweh’s Word.

"Point 3- Joe (number 2). When our youngest sister ran away with no note or warning, we as a family, spent 2 days searching the roads and the ditches, calling the police, contacting her friends and generally going crazy with concern. Joe’s daughter knew the whole time where she was and never said a word. When our father found out about this he told Joe that something was not right. Joe said he would go home to fix the problems. That was the last time his father saw him for two months. Elder Meyer then discovered that Joe was into horrific perversions on the Internet. He was immediately terminated Joe from the Office staff and had the office locks changed, (because we couldn’t get hold of him to get the master keys back). Since then Joe has gone on to act on his perversions, divorcing his wife (no wife and child should have to put up with that) and has had multiple relationships. When we learned of his whereabouts Elder Meyer sent us to see if there was any way to change his mind. We returned in tears (ours, not Joe’s) when he tendered his resignation to the Assemblies of Yahweh. I am young, have only been married for 21 years and there is no way in heaven or below that my father, calling me to tell me that I had forgotten to turn off the barn lights, would make me do what he did to his family. It just makes me so incredibly sad.

"Point 4- Mary’s (number 1) husband committed adultery. I can’t begin to understand how that made her feel. She is the first to admit that she reacted in the wrong way. When she repented, she spent years on probation as a member and then a letter of repentance was read in the Assembly with open discussion available. With the consent of the Elders, she was reinstated as a member. Yahshua said, “Go and sin no more” and “Whoever is without sin”. What more can she do than change and live a converted life, even in the face of history being thrown in her face. BTW-Matt. 19 contains the one acceptable reason for divorce making you available for remarriage.

"Point 5- I just returned from Reading, Berks County, and there is no court record for anyone on the office staff. If there would have been a conviction, as the president of the organization, Elder Meyer would terminate them immediately, no further questions asked. Because we have school on-site, each employee must pass the strictest back-ground check by the Department of Education and the Pennsylvania State Police or they can’t be employed by the Assemblies of Yahweh.

"Point 6- I spoke to Rebecca VanderMeulen. We have no idea how the "relative" rumor began. The closest we can come up with is her husband comes from central Europe. So do the Meyers along with probably a third of the population in America. Elder Meyer joked that because our forefathers and her husband’s come from the same area we are probably related. Meyer family reunions are generally at one of the families houses. She has never been to one.

"I may have missed an accusation in the forum and not addressed it, this does not mean that it is right.

"The Assemblies of Yahweh and Elder Jacob O. Meyer stand for adherence to Yahweh’s Word. No excuses. Am I the only one who reads these entries and sees that maybe why members of my family see our father as “controlling” is because they want to do what they want and they know he will show them from Yahweh’s Word where they are wrong, thus they transfer their anger to him. I personally am thankful for my parent’s love and direction and that my children are able to have a good relationship with two of the most incredible people in the world. What can I say, I love my parents."

This post of Nathaniel Meyer leaves me with many questions. First why attack Joe Meyer now after he has left and no longer wants to be a part of the Assemblies Of Yahweh? Why didn't Jacob O. Meyer disfellowship him from the pulpit years ago when he was engaged in this behavior? I find it strange that you were in tears when you tried to bring him back. But now that he is gone AOY feels that now it is time to expose the hypocrisy and the immoral behavior! Would you have revealed his immoral conduct if you succeeded in getting him back in the AOY at that time? Have you or your father or any other family member ever approached former members or staff in tears and apologize to them for the way they were treated? (ie. slander?, defamation?, verbal abuse?, spiritual abuse?, emotional abuse?, breaking in to their homes?). I find it a bit strange that you chase after family members, who you say are engaged in immoral and indefensible behavior to make sure that they don't leave the AOY but you don't do that to NON-FAMILY members! Why is that? Please explain this to us. Could it be that when Non-family members leave the AOY that they leave because they know of the immoral behavior of the Meyer family and you don't want them around because they might warn the other new sheep coming in, with bulging bank accounts? Allready to be fleeced? Humm?

You say that Mick (MICAH) committed incest after her left. He just moved to Wisconsin, where the act was committed and he was found guilty in a court of law. I find your wording and attempts to distant yourself from your family rather troubling. Just because he moved out of state doesn't make him a non-family member.

You accuse Mary's husband of committing adultery. With whom?

When a husband has to put his wife away because she ran off with another man and he remarries, this does not make him guilty of adultery, Jon tried to straighten his wife and her lover out but he failed, she refused to repent so he divorced her, right?

You further state, "I just returned from Reading, Berks County, and there is no court record for anyone on the office staff. " Really? You're being a bit sneaky aren't you? Well why don't you just ask your wife if she has ever filed any charges in court against any AOY employee for sexual abuse? Then come back here and tell us what her reply was to that question.

You further state,
"I may have missed an accusation in the forum and not addressed it, this does not mean that it is right." Would that be the accusation make by your sister Rachel? You were there at the time, so why don't you tell us exactly who she accused of sexual abuse? Or do you and the family and AOY have something to hide? Ans when she tried to escape you all came after her. What would the Meyers have done if you would have caught her? Humm? It is my opinion that she had ever right to run away from a sexually abusive environment.
Then you say, "Point 6- I spoke to Rebecca VanderMeulen." Seems that you and the Meyer family have a personal relationship with this person. Is it not true that she was at a family reunion where your father met her years ago? What is your and JOM's exact relationship with her? Why doesn't she print a story in her paper about the court charges against member of the Assemblies of Yahweh? She prints stories about the House of Yahweh way off in Texas but nothing about the group right there on her front door step! I find that strange! Why right negative stories about a far away group and ignore the Bethel group? Hummm... Did someone in the Assemblies of Yahweh call her and ask to have her write that story about the House of Yahweh? If so, who?

Then you say, "The Assemblies of Yahweh and Elder Jacob O. Meyer stand for adherence to Yahweh’s Word. No excuses." Really Nathaniel? Is incest, adultery, fornication, gay sex, adherence to Yahweh's Word? If so, then it is my opinion that AOY is in compliance with the word of Yahweh! Then you say "no excuses" but you spent your whole post making excuses, didn't you? What about your father-in-law, Gary McAvin, what kind of excuse do you have for him? What about Jonathan? Please answer our questions here. I think you owe us some real answers.

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Subject: My family was in the AOY in the 80s and early 90s.


Author:
Benjamin Kaminski
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Date Posted: 21:10:13 12/28/08 Sun
Hello, my name is Ben Kaminski. Perhaps some of you here will remember me as a kid from many years ago.

I've suffered horribly from the years in the "Assemblies", along with my entire family. It is only in the last few years that I've been able to purge myself of some of the teachings I received at the hands of Mr. Meyer and his cronies.

If there is anyone out there who'd like to contact me, my address is procarpenter(at)gmail.com. I'd love to hear from you!

Ben

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Subject: Assembly of Yahweh assemblies, who really has the right to our name.


Author:
AOY Faithful
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Date Posted: 14:52:37 12/18/08 Thu
It seems from postings on the internet that Nathaniel Meyer has been around threatening others who use the name of Yahweh. The name "Assembly of Yahweh" and its plural "Assemblies of Yahweh" have been used by our organization for many years before Jacob O. Meyer was ever born. It is our legal name and we have every right to use it. Jacob Meyer and his sons have no right to our name and no authority to threaten others who use it, what so ever. We will continue to use our name including "Assemblies of Yahweh" in reference to our organization.

Perhaps the Meyer group thinks it has some right to "trade mark" or "service mark" our name but it does not. Trade mark law does not allow anyone to "trade mark" or "service mark" any names or titles of "God" (as they put it), and "Yahweh" is such a name.

If this Pennsylvania group thinks they have a case against us, then they should file a lawsuit in civil court. They will get laughed right out of court with their frivolous claims. We have used and will continue to use our name the Assembly of Yahweh and the assemblies of Yahweh till the cows come home.

In case Jacob O. Meyer and his son Nathaniel want to file a lawsuit here is our address where to send the papers:

The Assembly of Yahweh
1017 N. Gunnell Road
Eaton Rapid, MI 48827

Website: Assembly of Yahweh

We are drawing line in the sand and telling the Bethel Pennsylvania group not to step over it. We dare you to file a lawsuit against us. Just go to court and see what happens. We will put you in your place very quickly! You do not have any right to use our name or any name that is confusingly similar to it or to threaten others.

What assembly would want to be confused with the Bethel group with all the immorality that Nathaniel Meyer mentions in his posting? We do not want to be confused with such a group and you can easily see why from the things he admits.

If you have something to say just come out and post it here Nathaniel.

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[> Subject: Re: Assembly of Yahweh assemblies, who really has the right to our name.


Author:
Abbey
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Date Posted: 23:45:37 02/06/09 Fri
Who's right is it to put a Trademark or the rigts to use mark on "Yahweh"?

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[> [> Subject: Not as you say...


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Amazed
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Date Posted: 16:56:45 02/26/09 Thu
It's not the name of Yahweh that is trademarked, it is "Assemblies of Yahweh" that is officially registered as the name of the Bethel, PA organization. Let's have a little respect for the laws protecting its identity. The laws are established to avoid confusion. You know what confusion is Abbey, don't you.

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[> [> [> Subject: CONFUSED? I THINK NOT


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Abbey
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Date Posted: 23:23:33 03/01/09 Sun
I certainly know what confusion is. Don’t try and make it seem as if I am the confused one. Are you trying to cast doutb on me? I look and see all the people that are taken in by religions and use them for their own gain. Mr. Meyer and the other members of his family/Elders that have and are using the faithful flock of followers. I have only truth to give. I am not afraid to stand before YAHEWH on Judgment Day and be judged. I don’t expect everyone to believe me . But, those that know what was gone on and continues to go on know what I say is true.Why don't you ask one of the Elders to awnser some simple guestions. WHY DID MICAH LEAVE THE AOY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT? WHAT WAS HE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM? WHY IS ONE OF JOMs OWN SONS A OPENLY GAY MAN? How does that happen to such a man?

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Subject: What is the forum for?


Author:
Abbey
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Date Posted: 19:36:40 02/23/09 Mon
"A victim can be anyone who has ever been abused spiritually, mentally, emotionally, financially, sexually or physically." Quoted from the heading of this forum. I feel that everyone has the right to know what is going on in the AOY. Whether or not you go and try to find out the truth is up to you. I’m just here to share my feelings and thoughts on this subject. I was abused spiritually, mentally and emotionally by the goings on at the AOY. As was the rest of my family. I’m qualified more then you are probably willing understand. No disrespect intended . I believe in the truth . And I feel that more people involved in any aspect of having been “kicked out” or having left should discuss this issue . I was outraged after all these years to find that they are still spitting these lies, as to some of these issues . Complete falsehood on their part. And Yahweh knows the truth. A can stand up and hold my head up with out fear of being punished . For I Speak The Truth……

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Subject: crazy


Author:
Atheist
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Date Posted: 19:59:44 11/27/08 Thu
Wow, I knew about Joe Meyer cheating on his wife and running off; but I sure as hell didn't know how messed up AOY really was.

My parents were members from the early 80s to the late 90s and I was unfortunate enough to have to grown up in that environment (whats the deal with not running on the sabbath? like "Yahweh" really cares about something so trivial). It stinks that Jacob Meyer managed to pull the wool over so many peoples eyes (including my parents) and keep members from raising questions about the conduct and behavior of senior members. It's very disturbing indeed; I actually have bad dreams every now and again that somehow my family and I wind up back in the group *shudders*.

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[> Subject: Re: crazy


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Witness
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Date Posted: 11:48:37 11/28/08 Fri
It is interesting how they condemned you as a child for running on the sabbath, when their hypocritical leader, Jacob O. Meyer and his family were doing much much more on the sabbath! I spoke to former staff members after they left the Assemblies of Yahweh and they told me many things that went on there. One said that while Jacob Meyer preached from the pulpit that you should NOT listen to the radio or conduct business on the sabbath, that he himself done all of the above. They told us that when they went with Jacob O. Meyer to Bible studies on the sabbath, he would turn the radio on in the car and listing all the way there and back. Also he would go over toll road and buy gas when he didn't have to do this on the sabbath. He condemned members who would do such things from the pulpit, but it was ok for him to do it. One former staffer told me that one sabbath Jacob O. Meyer accidentally slipped and said, "This morning as I was going out to work on the farm..." from the pulpit with the tape recorder running! After the service was over, he rushed back to the recording studio and told the tape technician, who was Bob Wirl at that time, to cut that part off the tape so that it wouldn't get sent out to all the members on the tape list. Of course he complied and removed the blunder from the master tape of the sermon. Well, the very next week some of the local members went out early on the sabbath to Joe Meyer's farm, where Jacob Meyer went to work before coming to the assembly to give his sermon, and sure enough, there was Jacob O. Meyer driving down the road on his tractor to a nearby farm field. The member stopped his car and observed as Jacob O. Meyer was out in the field plowing on the Sabbath. Talk about a hypocrite! I spoke to Rudy Offerdahl and his wife Vivian a number of years ago. Rudy told that one day he and another Obediah School of the Bible student went up to Jacob O. Meyer's house for supper and when they had stepped through the front door, right in front of them was Jacob O. Meyer, his great aunt and his family sitting at the dinner table with a big birthday cake with candles & all and he was in the process of blowing them out with his family singing happy birthday! There wouldn't be anything wrong with this picture except Jacob O. Meyer condemns birthday celebrations and rails that they are PAGAN!! Another time Rudy and a friend went to the Meyer house on Christmas eve, and caught Jacob and his wife with piles of presents. Jacob O. Meyer tried to "him-haw" his way out of it by saying it was some wedding anniversary presents. But why wrap anniversary present in Christmas wrap? Rudy told us that whenever he would go to the Meyer household on the sabbath the radio and tv would be blaring all the time. Another thing the Offerdahl's told us was that Jacob O. Meyer was always taking about sexual matters at the table when Rudy went there for supper on Fridays. He said that Meyer would say things about chasing his wife around the bed etc. Rudy said this type of talk was very inappropriate in front of children. According to Rudy, Jacob O. Meyer dressed his son Daniel up in an apron and made him work in the Meyer kitchen for years, not letting him go outside and play like normal boys. Poor little cinder Daniela, no wonder why he turned out to be a flaming girly-man. Is it no wonder Jacob O. Meyer's family is the way they are! Children often initiate their parents. What a hypocrite this Jacob O. Meyer is!

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[> [> Subject: Re: crazy


Author:
George
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Date Posted: 15:15:04 11/30/08 Sun
I spoke to Rudy and Vivian also about things that went on in Bethel, Pennsylvania. Rudy had a special name for Jacob Meyer, it was "Big O". Some of the other people there simply called him "flakey Jake".

They said that Jacob O. Meyer didn't have a leg to stand on when it came to teaching morality to his kids, especially when it came to sexual matters. His kids were quick to point out that their father's marriage had been a shotgun marriage, that had been hastily arranged on Christmas Eve! It was revealed that Jacob O. Meyer had to drop out of school and take care of his new family. Seems he lacked control in the sex department. Of course now this high school drop out claims to be some sort of Biblical scholar of sorts!

One Sabbath some of the members had arrived early for services and when they walked into the sanctuary they could hear one of Jacob Meyer's unmarried son and his girl friend in the shower that was at the back of the Sanctuary hall, giggling and carrying on. Soon Jacob Meyer's son and his girl friend emerged from the bathroom in nothing but their bath robes and flip flops, still with wet hair. They walked down to the Meyer's house and entered right though the front door! Jacob O. Meyer done nothing about the fornication that was going on right in the Sanctuary! Defiling the House of Yahweh with the filthiness of their fornication, what a bunch! Sounds just like the Biblical story of Eli and his wicked sons!

His family also told the story how Jacob O. Meyer's parents had to take the rod of discipline to "Owen" when he was at home because all he wanted to do is lay in bed and read books and he was not taking care of his share of the chores on the farm.
I was told the story about Sister Dobie Baker. She was the first teacher there at the Daleth School. She had complained to some of the office staff and her friends that Jacob O. was in love with her. She complained that he was always coming on to her. She told them that when she was trying to give Daniel Meyer driving lessons, that Jacob O. got really mad because she was giving too much attention to Daniel and not enough to him. She only lasted a year at Daleth School to say the least.
It is said that the office staff had to put up with a lot of verbal and emotional abuse from Jacob O. Meyer. It has been reported that he was always trying to run their personal lives. In my opinion this guy sounds like a real control freak. Is it no wonder that his family don't want anything to do with him? It really makes me feel sad.

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Subject: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Ruth
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Date Posted: 16:45:30 11/05/08 Wed
Does anyone know what ever happened to Elder Joseph Meyer? I noticed that he suddenly disappeared from the Assemblies of Yahweh, and those at Bethel seem to be very closed mouthed about it.
I saw an article in the Reading Eagle that was an interview given by Jacob O. Meyer's son, Jacob C. In it Jacob C. says that many of Jacob O. Meyer 's children have left the Assemblies of Yahweh. Does anyone know why so many have left?

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[> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Meyer Sibling
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Date Posted: 00:00:25 11/13/08 Thu
My brother, Joseph ran off with another woman and left his wife and four kids. Annette, his wife, has said that her father-in-law, Jacob O. Meyer, was responsible for the marital mess. She said that Jacob O. Meyer, would call them in the middle of the night and ask dumb questions like, "Did you turn the lights off in the Barn?" and continually interfered in the couples affairs. My father has been called "overbearing" by some of the local members of the Assemblies of Yahweh, as well as the family. Joe has allegedly had multiple affairs with numerous women. His adulterous life style does not seem to affect his membership and any day he can be brought back and put on the payroll, just like my sister Mary Pederson, who ran off to California with an Obediah School of the Bible student in 1980. When that affair didn't work out she came back to daddy and got her job back at the Assemblies of Yahweh. She now is married to another man Alfredo Ortiz and that is ok with my father, who had said from the pulpit that he left the Church of the Brethren because one of the ministers there had divorced and remarried, and that, he said, was adultery (Yahshua the Messiah calls divorce and remarriage adultery). About the same time of Mary's affair (about 1980) my sister, Rachel brought allegations that she had been the victim of incest. She told the office staff and some of the members of the local assembly. The office staff and production staff resigned, saying that they could no longer close their eyes to what was going on behind closed doors in the Assemblies of Yahweh. The staff's resignations were followed by the ministerial board's resignations. To which my father proclaimed "nothing but a power play". Well, they didn't come back to daddy, and there as a major split in the organization at the time and most of the members left and formed a new organization. My father then registered their new organization's name in various states around the country and then sued them for using their own name! Saying they were stealing his name. Of course, they gave in to his bullying and changed their name to avoid all the expense of a court preceding. To which my father has falsely proclaimed that, "they admitted culpability" which of course they had not, they just settled out of court to end my fathers dragging Yahweh's name through pagan court.

My father often uses bullying techniques such as sending a threating letter from a lawyer to get people to hush up. Anyone can send a letter from a lawyer, that does not mean that they have some legal standing! This is one of the reasons why you don't see much in the papers about the organization! My father uses threats and intimidation.

And what about other members of the family? My brother Dr. Daniel K. Meyer, is openly gay and engages in gay pride marches and is a part of different homosexual movements. He donates large amounts of money to support gay causes. Daniel and his domestic partner, showed up as a "domestic couple" at grandpa Meyer's funeral, and my father Jacob O. Meyer and mother, accepted them with open arms, as if they were a normal couple. This enraged the remaining few non-family elders, some of whom left the Assemblies of Yahweh and formed another organization. The Assemblies of Yahweh have become a splintered organization, falling apart at the seams, because my father refuses to live up the Scriptural principals and the Law Of Moses and because he wouldn't do anything about the immorality in the family. Some have expressed the opinion that he lacks the qualifications of an elder as descried in the Bible. There is much, much more to this, but you can investigate the court records in Berks county Pennsylvania and see the incest and child molester charges, as well as other charges, against the degenerate members of AOY for yourself.

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[> [> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Yisrayl
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Date Posted: 09:35:18 11/17/08 Mon
The Prophet Isaiah warned of Jacob Meyer and his Behel, Pa. group saying,

"Their hypocrisy witnesses against them; and they declare their sins like Sodom, they do not hide them. Woe to their soul! for they have wrought evil to themselves." Isaiah 3:9


BEWARE lest you fellowship with them and become like them! Remember "the righteous do not walk in the counsel of the wicked no stand in the way of sinners." Psalms 1

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[> [> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 20:55:46 12/03/08 Wed
While doing a search on the Meyers on the internet, I found Jacob O. Meyer's son Dr. Daniel K. Meyer postings on one of the public bulletin boards. He posted this on his Lebanon Valley College's GLBTQ (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer) Bulletin Board. http://www.geocities.com/lvcarchive/lvc.html

"Post by Arrow on Sep 18th, 2004, 11:29pm
You are completely welcome to have an opinion, but it is not
your opinion that defines "sin". The definition of "sin" is the
sole province of a Creator, and the definition exists in
the written Word."
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Post by Daniel K Meyer, MD on Sep 21st, 2004, 1:44pm
"I was dismayed to read the above definition of sin.
It is not the definition of sin used by most theologians today. Indeed, not the definition used by the majority of thinking Christians.
And, I will add, not the definition of sin used by the majority of the world - which is not Christian.
The biblical writings are a record of human experience at particular points in time. If we accept that we have been given the capacity for thought and insight, and we accept that our understanding of the world is different now than it was 2000 years ago, do we need to restrict our understanding of sin to that same understanding?
For example, we no longer accept the biblical explanation for unusual natural events which occurred - "earth stood still" !!
It was considered sinful to wear garments of mixed fibers - linen and wool, for example. No Christian I know now considers that sinful.
Free yourself from anti-intellectualism!" Daniel K. Meyer

While Daniel is open about his homosexual behavior and makes public his opinions for all to read, it my opinion that the Assemblies of Yahweh and the family of Jacob O. Meyer is in the mist of a doctrinal crisis. It seem that they cannot tell the difference between their right hand and their left. No righteous person would stay in such an origination as the Assemblies of Yahweh of Bethel, Pa. Is it no wonder that everyone is leaving this destitute organization, including Jacob O. Meyer's brother, sister, nieces, nephews, the elders, and many of the assembly. "Come out of her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins" I wouldn't walk away from this organization, I would run!

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[> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 19:01:28 11/27/08 Thu

Doctrinal crisis? Looks more like a MORALITY CRISIS to me! Adultery, incest, and all different forms of fornication, that is a morality crisis my friend. Why wasn't something done when Rachel Meyer, Jacob O. Meyer's daughter complained to the office staff and the members of the local assembly about being the victim of incest? The Bible says to take the perpetrator out and stone him. Just because someone calls himself Elder or is the son of some Elder, don't make him special or above Yahweh's law. An what about Gary McAvin? Why was he allowed to stay on the payroll? It's time to stop the coverup and start putting these type of people out of the assembly.



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[> [> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
HOY
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Date Posted: 19:16:10 12/03/08 Wed
I agree with you Don 100%

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Abbey
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Date Posted: 23:51:08 02/06/09 Fri
Amen...

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[> [> Subject: Re: HELP US HELP OUR FAMILY FROM THE AOY AND ELDER MEYER


Author:
DWAYNE BUBLEY
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Date Posted: 19:32:07 11/30/08 Sun
WE HAVE 12 FAMILY MEMBERS THAT EITHER HAVE BEEN A MEMBER IN THE AOY OR ARE IN THE AOY OR WILL BE COMING TO BE A MEMBER IN THE AOY. THROUGH VERY LITTLE DETERMINATION TO FIND NEGATIVE STUFF ON THE AOY AND ELDER MEYER WE ENDED UP WITH LOADS, TOO MUCH FOR US. PLEASE HELP US FIND SOME TANGIBLE TRUTH TO SHOW MY BROTHER OF 5 CHILDREN, OF WHO ALSO HAVE CHILDREN, THAT THE AOY IS A HOAX AND ELDER MEYER IS A SINFULL MAN. WE ARE BELIEVERS IN YAHWEH BUT IN THE "TRUTH" ONLY. WHAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED IN THIS FORUM IS BRAVE AND COULD HELP US WITH OUR FAMILY. WE HAVE MY 73 YEAR OLD MOTHER LIVING WITH US AND I WOULD LOVE TO SHOW HER THE TRUTH BEFORE SHE SLEEPS. I HAVE ALREADY PHONED MY BROTHER TO TELL HIM WHAT I FOUND, BUT AS HE HAS BEEN A MEMBER FOR 20 YEARS, HE WAS VERY ANGRY AND DEFENDED ELDER MEYER WITH GREAT ADMIRATION, I'M SURE ELDER MEYER WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD. A LITTLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT, MY GRANDFATHER WAS WILLIAM MEYER AND AMELIA MEYER, MY GRANDMOTHER, MY GRANDFATHER WAS BURIED BY REV. JACOB O. MEYER IN 1975 MARCH 2 IN EDMONTON, ALBERTA, CANADA. REV. JACOB O. MEYER I BELIEVE IS YOUR FATHER? PLEASE HELP US WITH SOME KIND OF PROOF, I BELIEVE THE HEAVENLY FATHER IS GUIDING ME TO THIS PLACE TO SAVE MY FAMILY FROM THIS BRAINWASHING.

SINCERLY, DWAYNE BUBLEY

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[> [> [> Subject: Dwanye Bubley


Author:
Abbey (Know the facts)
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Date Posted: 14:40:30 02/21/09 Sat
The words of Yahweh are not wrong. It is the Meyer Family that have done/doing the MORALLY wrong things. Things that has in the Bible are called sins against Yahweh. Incest,adultery and false accusations.
All this was been going on for Yahweh only knows how long. And the bible says not to follow evil doers. Talk to some of the members that have left in the past. We belonged for several years. And then left because Mr. Meyer tried to dictate to my family. My family followed the words in the bible after we left. The bible says that you can practice his word without a membership to any one group of followers. READ the bible. More then once. It has helped us over the years. The Bible is the best campion . Find another group of followers to help you and your family to understand the words of the good book. Open you mind when you read the bible. My Dad always said Mr. Meyers motto should have been “DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO”.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: bubley?


Author:
No name
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Date Posted: 09:20:43 03/01/09 Sun
are you related to Robert Bubley from Canada?

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[> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Date Posted: 20:43:16 12/05/08 Fri
Date Posted: 19:00:56 11/30/08 Sun
In reply to: Meyer Sibling 's message, "Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?" on 00:00:25 11/13/08 Thu
Please anyone out there help us help our family get out of this Assemblies of Yahweh. I need some kind of proof about Elder Jacob O. Meyer and his wrong doings so I can show our family members the truth. We came upon many different bits of information on our search for the truth in Yahweh which we found out of complete ignorance. The more we searched the web for scripture meaning an about the Assemblies the more Yahweh was guiding us to what we believe to be the "truth" in scripture. Elder Jacob Meyer kept popping up so many times we finally gave in to the whisper of Yahweh leading us and dug into the findings of AOY and Elder Meyer. Oh boy did we get an eye full and then some, right down to the conviction of his son Micah for sexual preditor. We informed our family of our findings, they have been 20 year members in the AOY, and of course they defended Elder Meyer with belowing voices of angry tones. Actually, we didn't expect anything less from them, of course they're hurt, AOY is their whole world and the sun rises and sets on Elder Meyer, we didn't want them to hurt but we also didn't want them to be hurt anymore and brainwashed anymore by the Assemblies. They have grandchildren that are being raised by the rules of Elder Meyer and it pains us to watch another generation carry on in this, the painfull sinful circle will never end soon, and we are very aware and afraid of that. So please can any one help us help our family. The mother of this family who lives with us also is a member, she's 73 years old and it would be a blessing from Yahweh, if she could live to see the "truth", before she sleeps.

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[> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Missouri
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Date Posted: 21:33:36 12/05/08 Fri
The Assemblies of Yahweh sect, run by Jacob O. Meyer, is just a splinter group within the Sacred Name Movement, although it has been recently reported lately that Jacob O. Meyer is now claiming that he was never in the Sacred Name Movement, contrary to the facts. The original group was the Assembly of Yahweh, located in Holt, Michigan. If you were just looking for another Sacred Name group to join they should be a consideration. Their website is located here, http://www.assemblyofyahweh.com

More recently there was another split and a number of people left and formed a group located in Georgia their website is located here: http://www.yahstruth.org/ The group is called Yahweh's Philadelphia Truth Congregation. I don't know if they are still around or not since they have not published a newsletter since July. It was founder by an Elder who was at Bethel for many years.

There is also Don Mansager's group located in Kingdom City, Missouri their website is located here, http://www.yaiy.org/ called "Yahweh's Assembly in Yahshua". This Elder was a former board member of the Assemblies of Yahweh before he resigned and left the organization during what was called the "Bethel Exodus" in about 1980, when the whole staff resigned and left the Bethel sect. Bethel has heaped verbal abuse on those who leave their sect.
Below is an article that was on the internet about the Meyer sect.

"Over the years, many of those who have left the organization have cited Pharisaical attitudes and controlling practices among the reasons for their departure. Some have asserted that despite its claims as the only true religious organization, the Assemblies of Yahweh has failed to live up to the spiritual standards set forth by the Philadelphia assembly of Revelation 3:7-13. Others contend that family relationships, friendships, marriages, and career aspirations were damaged or destroyed as a result of the organization's absolutist pronouncements. As with the Worldwide Church of God, some reportedly left disillusioned with religion in general. Former members, including family, have charged that insufficient emphasis has been given toward putting into practice the Scriptural teachings on love, including toward perceived enemies.

"Questions over the financial accountability have led to concerns over the spending of members' tithes and offerings, including expenditures for lawyers' fees. One such lawsuit is described in an article called Yahweh INC? http://www.giveshare.org/BibleStudy/074.yahweh.html that describes how Jacob O. Meyer sued another Sacred Name group headquartered in Missouri, formerly called "Assemblies of Yahweh in Messiah", now called Yahweh’s Assembly in Yahshua, over the use of the organization's name and other accusations over membership lists, in spite of the fact that there were other Sacred Name Groups with the name "Assembly of Yahweh" many years before Jacob O. Meyer entered the Sacred Name Movement."

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[> [> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Finally , Proof !
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Date Posted: 11:26:35 03/13/09 Fri
Good job Missouri! This post proves to all of those people that think this forum is mostly about disparaging an organization that it is not.
The compassion for victims really comes through here.
It is so clear that the focus here is not on bringing down the Assemblies of Yahweh but on the well being of others. Keep up the good work! I know that the victims have taken great comfort and support from this post.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Finally proof?
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Date Posted: 09:02:34 03/16/09 Mon
I have been an active member of the AOY for many years and very close to the Meyer family. I've never seen, heard or sensed any of what you describe.
People leave the AOY because they choose to, are unable to handle being told they are wrong or are told to leave because they refuse to change their sinful ways.
Clearly, many posting to this site don't have any recent information about the AOY. The people you are naming are no longer members of the AOY, so what does the AOY have to do with them today? Nothing.
As long as we're naming names and pointing fingers on this forum perhaps you like me to name some and tell my stories about some who are no longer members. Would anyone be afraid to hear about their own lives? Who knows I might even be addressing some of those people right now.
I'm certain you'll delete this post, because you delete all posts that expose you for the people you really are.

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Subject: Frustration not hate


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ABBEY
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Date Posted: 21:18:26 03/16/09 Mon
Fact Check wrote that “Elder Meyer would never defend evil and you know it!” Really? He wanted all brushed under the carpet before. Why would it be any different now. It’s not.
Others such as: Just wondering, Qualified, Finally Proof, Amazed, Me 2, and Doesn’t Make Sense have postings trying to cast doubt or trying to belittle those of us that have been victims. Those of you that DON’T KNOW WHAT GOES ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. And say they KNOW THE TRUTH.
And I say.
You know the truth, do you ? Did you live the truth when it was going on? Were you there 24/7? Did you see and hear what was said? Or are you taking someone’s word for it? ( one of the Meyer/Meyer faithful) I do not mean to be disrespectful . Only truthful.
I lived thru this situation first hand.
I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.. So don’t come along and try and justify what the Assemblies did. I know what the Bible says. We have re-read the bible every year, after we left. And continued to keep the Sabbath as well as all the Holy Days. So you need not explain all of that to me. I don’t hate anyone. What I express is Frustration in seeing how the truth has been twisted . Twisted to fit the Assemblies ( Meyers) agenda. That is a far cry from hate…. And knowing that people have taken what they (Elder Meyer. HA, elder what a crock) has said to be gospel. I know there are others out there that have had a bad experience with the Assemblies and I want them to know that it is all right to talk about it. Not hide it. I am not here to harass, just to make sure that others are not taken in and told that they need to keep their mouths shut about what has or is still going on. I did not need to go on to the sex offender registry to find out what MICAH did. How can you tell a child that someone that is supposed to love them calls them LIERS? You want to know what happens to a child after any form of abuse? Why don't you look into it and see for your-self. You would be shocked..It can be very destructive. So, if when you read this you still feel that I'am in some way lying about the situation. Feel free NOT to read my postings. Because that only makes you more blind to the TRUTH. If that what it takes to make you feel better :-}

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Subject: All Bad?


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Qualified
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Date Posted: 08:13:53 01/27/09 Tue
I read accusations on this forum that are not referenced with fact and when “evidence” is provided it has nothing to do with the Assemblies of Yahweh today. My question is: How does this forum help and support people?

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[> Subject: Re: All Bad?


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Just wondering
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Date Posted: 10:56:33 02/01/09 Sun
It would be nice to know who's operating this forum. I think that would answer a lot of questions. For me, if someone makes an accusation they need to stand up and put their name on it, otherwise it instantly becomes invalid.
If you have issues why not follow Matthew 18:15? If someone does you wrong, confront them directly.
I don't see any sign of so-called "support" here.

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[> [> Subject: Re: All Bad?


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Date Posted: 05:49:14 02/02/09 Mon
I was wondering the same. It seems that the Assemblies of Yahweh is very forth coming in their history. In today’s world though, some feel the need to hide behind the anonymity of a keyboard as they formulate their attacks. So who is abusing whom?

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[> [> Subject: Re: All Bad?


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Abbey (Sickened)
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Date Posted: 23:33:37 02/06/09 Fri
It would not matter if you stood and faced them. They have had years of practice at lying. Plus, I'm sure they would find some way to pay a lawyer for some service to help them out of their mortial pickle. I look at it this way, they may go on in life thinking nothing is wrong with what they have all done. But when Yahweh asks them about their sins they will not be able to lie. for nothing is hidding from him. And then the wailing and the gnashing will begin....I'am sure you know what I mean........

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[> [> [> Subject: Please explain...


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Just wondering
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Date Posted: 11:50:41 02/23/09 Mon
Abbey,
Are you a victim? I need to ask because it appears this forum is not limited to victims. Reading through the posts it looks like there are a lot of people posting hearsay, outdated and inaccurate information, and quoting people who have been dead for a number of years (pretty low don't you think).
I guess if I were the subject of these accusations I would hire a lawyer, especially if the accusations were false or if information was being used as a tool of harassment. Along with the right to freedom of speech comes a responsibility to truth. As you say we will all be judged in the end.
But for now Abbey, remember there are two sides to everything. I'm just afraid someone has a hidden agenda here. It's just too mean spirited to be a legitimate support forum.

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[> Subject: reply to Nathaniel Meyer


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Date Posted: 15:03:33 02/19/09 Thu
It seems strange to me that Nathaniel Meyer (number 8, etc), continually comes back in here to post after he posted this "I have decided I do not want anything to do with this forum. Thanks!" previously. Why don't you go away Nathaniel? I see that you didn't answer the questions posed to you by others in here.

This fourm is for the VICTIMS of abuse Nathaniel, not the Abusers!

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[> [> Subject: Abuse?


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Just Wondering (unclear)
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Date Posted: 08:49:05 02/23/09 Mon
Hi Judge,
Are you the administrator/facilitator of this forum? If not do you know which identity among the many here would be?
I am surprised the person who sponsors this forum would allow anyone and everyone to post in a big free for all. For a "support" group there is very little support here.
I think it's a little strange that the only real names and identities being used are those of the Meyers and current/past members of the AOY.
Many of the anonymous posts seem to be from the same person under a variety of aliases. There's a common strand among the threads that sports a specific style, that includes a little condescending arrogance, signature of that person.
I'd like to see the administrator of this forum post to explain the rules. Perhaps that person is carefully picking and choosing posts to suit his or her own agenda. If that is the case again I have to question credibility.
I would love nothing more than to identify myself, but I won't do so until there is some accountability among the users of this forum.

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[> Subject: Grasping at straws


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Really qualified
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Date Posted: 15:14:25 02/19/09 Thu
It looks like you don't believe court records are correct Mr. Meyer? Cult members have been tried and convicted in a court of law.... and registered as sex offenders.

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[> [> Subject: How Long Is 25 Years


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Really-Really Qualified
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Date Posted: 09:06:16 02/20/09 Fri
Far as I can tell, Mike left the Assembly over 25 years ago, five years before he screwed up his life. How is that an Assembly problem?

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[> [> [> Subject: How long this 25 years


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Abbey (What do you say to that...)
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Date Posted: 14:08:59 02/21/09 Sat
PARDON ME.. The phrase "Far as I can tell." does NOT make you qualifed to make any remarkes on this subject at all...Unless you are trying to cover for someone.
You don't just decide over night that you want to molest your children. And he was doing it before he left the Assembly's. 40-80% of child molesters have histories of sexual abuse in their childhood.That does not make the body of the Assembly's to fualt. Just his family.. According to HIS OWN WORDS incest was going on in his family. From when he was little on and he never stopped.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: How long 25 years


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Date Posted: 22:46:56 02/22/09 Sun
Secrets come out. Micah was involved with the family incest
from Meyer child #4 thru #8. I have court papers that say it all. Brother with brother and brother with sister. It is pretty distrubing what went on. Micah didn't molest his children because he came to Wisconsin as the AOY would like their members to believe or anyone else for the matter. It started when he was at Bethel. In the same building that the AOY is in today. You see I was married to Micah. He molested my children that is something we live with very day. It doesn't go away. You watch the news and there is always some other child being sexual abuse. It wasn't just brother/brother/sister they
also involved another young girl at the time in it. Yes, no one believed Rachel when she told her family. Said she was lying. When Micah was confronted with what he did to the girls he said,"WHAT DO I DO THAT WAS SO WRONG." For someone raised in the bible, having a father as an elder he should have known. JOM had us all believing that once you were at Bethel you couldn't leave that you would fall by the wayside. Wrong!
Yes, I lived with Joseph and his family when I went to Bethel. Joe would come in the house daddy would drive in the yard...Joe was going out the back door, so daddy would't know he was in the house. UNBELIEVEABLE
You couldn't go to JOM has a son/daughter/daughter/son-law
would go to a father. He was the Elder not the father/father-inlaw. How can one lead others when his own
house needed ruling. YAWEH created us in His image. He gave us a brain to think for ourselves. Not to be brainwashed by others. He knows what is in our hearts and minds. "Beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing"

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: How Long - 25 Years?


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Date Posted: 18:32:10 02/27/09 Fri
Hey "It's Me" - WOW - you have laid out some pretty powerful facts. For those of you who still think that JOM and family can do no wrong, where can one go to view these court records? Followers, OPEN YOUR EYES and THINK FOR YOURSELVES. Don't let others do the thinking for you. Sounds utterly disgusting that this type of behavior was going on and may still be going on, let alone in the same building as the AOY functions take place. SICKENING! A place where innocent people come to worship Yahweh and supporting a religion they believe to be the right organization to belong to, while this curruption has taken place. I believe what you say, as you were married into the family, you would know what has gone on first hand. My family and I will pray for you and your children and for the rest that may have been affected by these crimes of sexual abuse. If Micah didn't think anything was wrong with what he did to his girls (his very own flesh and blood), there is definately something messed up real bad in that family. And you say incest was committed with brother to brother and brother to sister? Where does it stop? Do any more children have to suffer for this lewd behavior? Should there be a concern for the other Meyer children being sexually abused? Could there possibly be more? Absolutley! Yahweh help them if so - lead them to the proper authorities and get them the help they need. The sin and corruption will bring its' ugly head to the surface on jugement day and when those that have committed such terrible acts against others, stand before Yahweh, justice will be served. To those who have been affected by this, my heart goes out to you and may you find the inner strength to stay on the narrow path that Yahweh has set forth for you to follow. Yahweh will take care of those who believe in Him.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: How Long - 25 Years?


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Date Posted: 11:03:10 03/19/09 Thu
Has anyone here ever done any reasearch on the topic of "dysfunctional families"?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: How long 25 years


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Date Posted: 06:37:06 03/13/09 Fri
"It's Me", I keep reading this and it must be that I don't quite understand. Did you bring
out publicly children #4-8 to facilitate support? I assume they must have given permission
to do so. (Otherwise that would be illegal and immoral.) You may want to re-do your post as it comes off as mostly bashing someone else. Since the children #4-8 gave you permission to bring
them out to the public they are probably looking for something more supportive.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: How long 25 years


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Date Posted: 16:18:59 03/16/09 Mon
What in the same building the the members came to worship very Sabbath? JUST WRONG!!!!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: What kind of abuse?


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Just Wondering
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Date Posted: 08:54:02 02/23/09 Mon
So is this forum for spiritual or sexual abuse? Administrator can you enlighten us?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: What kind of abuse


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questioning
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Date Posted: 19:47:15 02/23/09 Mon
Religion can use all kinds of abuse to hide behide. Isn't that how religious leaders and abusers can control and play with the minds of others. The one who does the abusing wants that feel of control, to be powerful to have others(weak ones) at their mercy. Religious leaders of cults/sects find out little details about you and use them against you. There are alot of people out there looking for something to fulfill that empty part of them or trying to find something to justify or condone their actions. Whether right or wrong.

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Date Posted: 13:40:02 02/24/09 Tue
They do use any means to get what they want. Look at what happened with "Heavens Gate" or at Waco,TX some years back. And it is very disturbing to see things like that happening in the world.

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Subject: Report Assemblies of Yahweh Abuse


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Abilene
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Date Posted: 14:34:21 12/18/08 Thu
After reading some of the things posted by the Meyer family here I feel that I should give my opinions on these matters as well. From the postings here I believe that it is time that something be done about dult abuse. It appears to me that this problem has been going on for a long time and that this group has gotten away with this because the cult leader uses bullying techniques such as sending threatening letters from a lawyer in an attempt to silence the victims.
What this cult is trying to do, in my opinion, is keep the witnesses silent and by doing so keep the public from knowing what is going on behind closed doors. I see that Meyer on one of their rogue web-sites has publish some of these form letters.

Threatening members seems to be a common practice of cults. This is just another form of abuse.These letters appear to make it look as if cults have some legal standing. Cults techniques of sending letters from lawyers and demanding someone to stop expressing their opinions have no standing in law! There is no law against printing or speaking the truth about any evil cult.

And incidentally the only thing that can open any record on the Internet is a order by a court! Many people don't know that. Cults often use letters from lawyers to try to bluff their way into private records, to which they have no legal rights what so ever.

Another thing, most cult leaders, as well as Jacob O. Meyer, are public figures, and as such opens themselves and their cult groups up to public scrutiny, just as any politician would, reguardless is they are a "religious polition" or not. The Meyer's threats and intimidation may have worked in the past but in the age of the Internet you can look up and verify things such as convictions for sexual assault in public records.

I believe the victims with the knowledge should contact the Pennsylvania State Police and give them the information. The cult may have tried to put fear into you, and possibly threatened you with "leagal action" if you speak out, but these are ungrounded threats commonly used by abusers. Just look at the abuse in the Catholic Church. The victims have sued and have almost put the abusive churches out of business. You have the same right in a court of law. You too can file a lawsuit for abuse and get damages for all the suffering the cult has put you through. No use suffering in silence! If you don't feel comfortable doing that because you fell that the cult will attck you then just file a complaint to the authorities via mail. It is time that an investigation of dangerous cults is begun.

You may also want to take a group of witness and go to the local papers such as the Lebanon Valley Daily News and let them know of the things that go on in the Assemblies of Yahweh. Their website is located here; Lebanon Valley Daily News You should also have copies of court records to verify the facts. It appears from Nathaniel's posting, that you cannot a fair and unbiased story published in the other paper, the Reading Eagle, because of the cozy relationship between this reporter and the Meyers, of course you could go over the head of that reporter, you know that everyone has a boss!

Once things are in the public view, it will force an investigation of the cult and put an end to all this abuse.

You can bet that Mr. Jacob O. Meyer is trying to stop the public from knowing what is going through this site as well. He is probably trying every trick in the book to put a stop to these things from getting out. Trying desperately to bluff his way around. I bet you he has lawyers writing letters right now to everyone any anyone he thinks is a witness or a victim of abuse. The law is on the side of the abused not the abuser! Vicious cults trying to get a court to silence the victims would be like Al Capone getting a court to silence the newspapers from publishing stories about him.

Let the investigation of Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh begin! It is time for justice.

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[> Subject: Re: Report Assemblies of Yahweh Abuse


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Fact Check
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Date Posted: 10:02:08 01/29/09 Thu
Although you may not like the Assembly, lies are still lies. The accusations listed above about "illegal" actions by Assembly members are not factual. Check for yourself! Elder Meyer never would defend evil and you know it!

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[> [> Subject: Re: Report Assemblies of Yahweh Abuse


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SJ
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Date Posted: 23:40:51 02/06/09 Fri
Reality Check... Talk to people personaly affected by this first. And not just those recently. Some do have very good evidience.The only evil here is the acts snd lies of those committing a crimes. And NOT the Victims.

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Subject: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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Joe
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Date Posted: 14:04:44 03/10/09 Tue

Nathaniel Meyer (number 8)  Disappears!


Nathaniel Meyer was a constant poster in this group until his sister-in-law posted the below to this forum. I guess after his sexual orientation (or should I say disorientation?) came out he though it best to scamper.... Will he be running out of the back door when daddy is coming in the front now?  To think that he and and certain other family members tried to lie to everyone here to cover things up.  I guess we now see who the liers really were!!! The truth finally comes out.... She said the following......

Secrets come out. Micah was involved with the family incest from Meyer child #4 thru #8. I have court papers that say it all. Brother with brother and brother with sister. It is pretty distrubing what went on. Micah didn't molest his children because he came to Wisconsin as the AOY would like their members to believe or anyone else for the matter. It started when he was at Bethel. In the same building that the AOY is in today. You
see I was married to Micah. He molested my children that is something we live with very day. It doesn't go away. You watch the news and there is always some other child being sexual abuse. It wasn't just brother/brother/sister they also involved another young girl at the time in it. Yes, no one believed Rachel when she told her family. Said she was lying. When Micah was confronted with what he did to the girls he said,"WHAT DO I DO THAT WAS SO WRONG." For someone raised in the bible, having a father as an elder he should have known. JOM had us all believing that once you were at Bethel you couldn't leave that you would fall by the wayside. Wrong!Yes, I lived with Joseph and his family when I went to Bethel. Joe would come in the house daddy would drive in the yard...Joe was going out the back door, so daddy would't know he was in the house. UNBELIEVEABLE You couldn't go to JOM has a son/daughter/daughter/son-law would go to a father. He was the Elder not the father/father-inlaw. How can one lead others when his own house needed ruling. YAWEH created us in His image. He gave us a brainto think for ourselves. Not to be brainwashed by others. He knows what is in our hearts and minds. "Beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing"


Well Nathaniel, what you do have to say for yourself?

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[> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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It Is Seen
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Date Posted: 09:00:25 03/12/09 Thu
The true spirit and intent of this "forum" should now be clear to all. On one hand it is claimed that number 8(Nathaniel Meyer) is a potential "victim" and then another
venomous attack is made against him. There is absolutely no attempt made towards any type of "support" for anyone brought forth on this "forum". Any persons that have been put forth as potential "victims" are only brought forth to be used as weapons against the Assemblies of Yahweh and particularly the Elder Jacob O. Meyer. Every example given as wrong doing is of people that have left the Assemblies of Yahweh, usually before their sins even became publicly known. None of these people could in any way ever remain in this organization. It has even gone as far on this forum to accuse the members of the AOY of "rampant hypocrisy" and sin. I have know many people in the AOY for over a decade and find these slanderous lies against them very offensive. Particularly as they are made by those who do not even know these people. The accusers charges proceed further in that they presume that the families and friends of supposed "victims" can not or will not provide "support" and this so called forum is providing that needed support. I have also noted the continuous lies on this "forum" that there are COURT records concerning persons still within the AOY that can be looked up. Some people have even asked to see these. It is time to "put up or shut up". Will any one of the accusers here post ONE COURT RECORD concerning ONE person that is CURRENTLY in the AOY. Just ONE. Any clear thinking person can see the real intent of this farce of a "forum". I am sure that the true "spirit" of the accusers on this "forum" will continue to be revealed. Since I did not rail against the AOY, this post will probably now receive some of the venom. Also I'm sure that the only defense that will be going on is defending continued bashing. Could I be incorrect? All will be seen.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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ADM
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Date Posted: 13:24:49 03/16/09 Mon
Let's examine your postings and I will give my opinions as I see it. First Nathaniel wrote this.

"The true spirit and intent of this "forum" should now be clear to all. On one hand it is claimed that number 8(Nathaniel Meyer) is a potential "victim" and then another venomous attack is made against him. "

First of all this "forum" never claimed that **you** Nathaniel Meyer, were ever a victim of anything, as I see it you are aligned (and currently employed by) by the Assemblies of Yahweh and therefore are the victimizer and not the victim. You are therefore a part of the "problem". You have never stated that you were ever a victim of any type of abuse in here, but you have instead come in here and attacked others calling those who were telling the truth "liars" etc. We might surmise that because of your various "personalities" you use in here, that you may have been a victim but your vicious and venomous attacks on others in here have not gone unnoticed. It seems that you continually switch between personalities often taking to yourself! Do you often do this (change personalities that is)? I have read that children who are abused often develop Multiple Personality Disorders as a coping mechanism to deal with the abuse they had while children. Is this the case which you Nathaniel? Do you have MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) also called DID or Dissociative Identity Disorder, Nathaniel? Have you ever been diagnosed by a MD with this disorder?Then you said,

"There is absolutely no attempt made towards any type of "support" for anyone brought forth on this "forum". Any persons that have been put forth as potential "victims" are only brought forth to be used as weapons against the Assemblies of Yahweh and particularly the Elder Jacob O. Meyer."

It is my opinion that this sounds very paranoid. Perhaps you are just "parroting" what you hear from "daddy"? I have found a very good article on paranoia and Paranoid Personality Disorders. Here is what is says,

"Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others,sometimes reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are "out to get them." The article went on to say, "Paranoid perceptions and behavior may appear as features of a number of mental illnesses, but are most prominent in three types of psychological disorders: paranoid schizophrenia, delusional disorder (persecutory type), and paranoid personality disorder."
"Persons with paranoid personality disorders tend to be self-centered,
self-important, defensive, and emotionally distant. Their paranoia manifests itself in constant suspicions rather than full-blown delusions. The disorder often impedes social and personal relationships and career advancement. Some individuals with Paranoid Personal Disorders are described as "litigious," as they are constantly initiating frivolous law suits. PPD is more common in men .... Individuals with delusional disorders may seem offbeat or quirky rather than mentally ill, and, as such, may never seek treatment."


Does any of the above article sound familiar to you? "self centered,self-important, defensive ...litigious... constantly initiation lawsuits" or perhaps running to lawyers and getting them to send threatening letter to the perceived enemies as well as to victims? Get help from a professional before it is too late. You may get a family
rate if you take the whole family in for treatment. You then went on to say,

"Every example given as wrong doing is of people that have left the Assemblies of Yahweh, usually before their sins even became publicly known. None of these people could in any way ever remain in this organization."


You say, "None of 'these people' could have remained in the organization"...really Nathaniel? Is that a fact? You're in the AOY and your "sin" or should we say, sexual orientation has been discovered. I noticed that you have said in another post that it is " illegal and immoral" for your family to "out" you. We all know that is a lie, don't we Nathaniel? It's not illegal for your family to "out" you, and she does not have to have your permission to give out Court records, PERIOD. Well, as I see it your sin has found you out. The million dollar question is, Have you been put out because of your sexual orientation? If not then your present statement is a lie as well! Also, is your father in law, Gary McAvin still in the AOY after his OWN DAUGHTER charged him with incest in a court of law? If he is, then you are a liar!! Is Jonathan still in the AOY? (You do remember what happened to your sister, right?) If he is, then you are a liar! And the list goes on and on....... You are engaged in a sinful cover-up and now you have been exposed. You went on to say,

It has even gone as far on this forum to accuse the members of the AOY of "rampant hypocrisy" and sin. I have know many people in the AOY for over a decade and find these slanderous lies against them very offensive. Particularly as they are made by those who do not even know these people."


You say that you have been "accused" of "rampant hypocrisy" Gee, Nathaniel I wonder why anyone would do that? Could it be they are simply telling the truth and you are the one telling lies? Is it not true that the Meyer family & cult is filled with pedophiles, homosexuals, bisexuals, daughter rapers, sister rapers, incest, adultery and all kinds of spiritual wickedness? Telling the truth is not "slander" Mr. Meyer and once something has been proven in a COURT of LAW it is considered to be fact, PERIOD. If you don't like the courts releasing records why don't you run to your lawyers and try to stop them? Try to stop the government from putting up those sex offender registries so you can go on lying and covering things up about your abusive family cult. See how far you get. Then you say that the posts are made by those who do not even know you and your family. Really? It appears to me that comes from YOUR OWN FAMILY (like your sister-in-law )Nathaniel. Well who's the liar now, Nathaniel? Talk about a pathological liar!

The accusers charges proceed further in that they presume that the families and friends of supposed "victims" can not or will not provide "support" and this so called forum is providing that needed support.


The "accusers" that would just happen to be you. You are the one coming in here and accusing the victims of being liars. Turing things around and accusing the victim of the things that perpetrator is guilty of is a very old JOM trick. Is it no wonder that Jacob Meyer's family including his sister, brother and some of his own kids don't want anything to do with him anymore?

I have also noted the continuous lies on this "forum" that there are COURT records concerning persons still within the AOY that can be looked up. Some people have even asked to see these. It is time to "put up or shut up". Will any one of the accusers here post ONE COURT RECORD concerning ONE person that is CURRENTLY in the AOY. Just ONE.


First of all Nathaniel it is not the goal of this forum to publish court records. It was you who previously DEMANDED links to some of those records. When you got the links you turned around and started whining and complaining saying, "This whole forum looks like harassment to me." and tried to say that giving the links and location of court records was violating the law. (Which is just another big lie.) If you or your family don't want to be listed in the government's sex offenders registry don't sexually molest children or engage in incest etc. And it not illegal to discusses or publish the content of PUBLIC COURT records. The newspapers and television news have warning about sex offenders and pervs all the time, especially when they are being released. Maybe you don't like that, but that's just tough. And if you want the court records from Micah
Meyer's wife ("Its me" ) then why don't drive over to her place in Wisconsin and ask her for a copy. Or if she don't want you coming around, then go to the court house and buy yourself a copy. If she wants to post them on the internet it will be up to her and not because you demand it.

Any clear thinking person can see the real intent of this farce of a "forum". I am sure that the true "spirit" of the accusers on this "forum" will continue to be revealed. Since I did not rail against the AOY, this post will probably now receive some of the venom. Also I'm sure that the only defense that will be going on is defending continued bashing. Could I be incorrect? All will be seen

Well, I guess that makes you a prophet! Perhaps you thought that you could come in here and harass the victims with your lies and utter nonsense and get away with it. You have only been allowed in here to show the tactics used by AOY. You just exposed yourself! It is my opinion that it is time for you to take off your "shyster training wheels" your have reached JOM notoriety! You know you come across just like him. Or perhaps it is JOM that were are dealing with here, just disguising himself as Nathaniel, hey? The one who has been spewing venom in here is you and if you thought that by putting this ending on your harassing post that somehow no one would put you in your place, you were wrong! You have served no useful purpose in here but to continually bash the victims and revictimize them all over again. Your continuous threats that they (the victims) are going to get in trouble with the law for speaking the truth or venting in here is just another sign of a person who is a abuser. The abuser will always try to hush the victim with legal threats or by trying to make them feel as if they are the ones who done something wrong. You will not be allowed to get away with that in here. Keep up the harassment and you will find yourself being banned. This has been my opinion.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


Author:
Jane
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Date Posted: 14:03:05 03/16/09 Mon
Wow, it just shocked my socks off to read "It"s me" post. I knew they were corrupt and perverted but not this bad. This is truly a "Disfunctional family." All that gay incest going on, yuck! Aren't they some really sick puppies though? Get professional help JOM and company! This has been my opinion.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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It is seen
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Date Posted: 19:10:36 03/16/09 Mon
"Jane" and "Really Qualified", I will assume that you are not "ADM" that your post are responding to (responding to his own post). Just to let you know again, I am not Nathaniel Meyer nor am I in any way related to him. I would urge you to do more investigation. You can start by reading all of these post carefully. Do not get drawn into
what is going on here. Already you have been lead into falsely accusing me by following after "ADM's" delusion that I am Nathaniel Meyer. (i.e. Jane, you have said that you where "shocked" by my ("It is seen") post. What did I say that was truly shocking? Because you followed after "ADM's" delusion you have ended up falsely accusing me as being "corrupt and perverted". "Really Qualified" you by following after "ADM's" delusion have also attributed my post to another. You are also following after the "spirit" of this forum in presuming that people (that you don't even know) that may be friends in the AOY are like "pedaphile priests" unable to give support.)
Since I do know either of you I can only assume that you have been swept up in all of this. But you can see now how strong the spirit of the accuser is here in how easy it was for you be brought into this. Please be careful. And please be more thoughtful upon what you hear or say.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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SJ
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Date Posted: 00:00:04 03/27/09 Fri
Looked to me as if Jane was referring to the post of "It's Me" not to your post.(It is seen)

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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Really Qualified
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Date Posted: 14:15:55 03/16/09 Mon
Nathaniel said in his post, "The accusers charges proceed further in that they presume that the families and friends of supposed "victims" can not or will not provide "support" and this so called forum is providing that needed support."
Wouldn't that be like turning over the altar boys to the pedaphile priests after they were sexually abuse by them for support? An abuser CANNOT PROVIDE "support" only more abuse. What an awful cult this must be. This guy is a real sicko in my opinion.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


Author:
The Truth will set you free
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Date Posted: 15:41:07 03/16/09 Mon
What is the first thing you need to do for yourself when dealing with a problem? IT IS TO AMITT THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM or that there is a problem. How can you sleep at nite knowning that you have failed? You pushed people to the wayside and left they wondering, "IS THIS YAHWEH'S WAY". Didn't anyone from the AOY help this family (the wife and children). Any member at all?

I've worked with alot of different types of people. I can say that there are good people in this world for different faiths that would help others in a time of need. No questions asked.

What is the thing that will always be there to help and support you? YOUR FAITH AND YOUR FAMILY(birth family) they are there through thick or thin with you.

"YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.."
"BEWARE OF THE WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING......"
The Bible also says to "TRUST NO MAN..."

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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EX_MEMBER
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Date Posted: 14:40:12 03/17/09 Tue
I wonder how they managed to keep this all covered up for so long? They must have had to use a lot of threats and intimidation to keep so many quiet over the years. I sure am glad they have been exposed for the hypocrits they really are.It seem that ADM has really struck a nerve with the "great parinoid one." He has really has gone ballistic... lost total controll... starting acussing everyone and everything! He has really revealed himself, for there is only one person that is as paranoid as him. YUP we have the self-exulted one! This is my opinion of the matter.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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Hey EX_MEMBER
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Date Posted: 11:09:59 03/18/09 Wed
Don't flatter yourselves. He wouldn't give you the time of day on this forum. It would be counter-productive and a colossal waste of his time.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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OUTSIDER
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Date Posted: 11:44:43 03/22/09 Sun
No one knows who you are talking about since you do not use a name, but it sound like this guy is too self-important, so he sends his "point man" or goon to do his dirty work for him?

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Subject: AOY Spiritual Abuse In The Caribbean


Author:
Isha (Disgusted)
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Date Posted: 19:09:10 03/29/09 Sun
The AOY has a long history of engaging in spiritual abuse, even ouside the US. This has been going on for decades. When JOM first came to Trinidad in '84 his attitude was condesending. Many interested people walked out of his meetings. He insulted many people, talked down to many people, his attitude was less than righteous. He made a lot of decisions based on heresay. He picked leaders that weren't qualified. He reinstated a leader who was embezling tithes. This leader, that JOM supported, molested little girls.

The first leader choosen in Guyana had no experience whatsoever in spritual leadership or guidance. He left after JOM suspended his membership because of an innocent mistake. He claims emotional abuse.

People in Domonica claim emotional abuse in the 80's. They left in the 80's for KHL YHWH. They too have stories of spiritual abuse.

People in St. Vincent Preceded to take the roof off a structure they built while an AOY representive preached inside. They claim spiritual and financial abuse.

In St. Lucia many former members claim spiritual abuse. They have moved on to other groups with spiritual scars of their own.

In Guadeloupe and St. Martin there have been break aways. Trinidad has had several break aways. It has also seen many administration changes. All of the sincere people have moved on to other congregations. They had a thriving AOY community in the southern part of the Island. The sister at whose home they worshiped claimed spiritual abuse.

In New York City a young sister was suspended for gossiping. How do you suspend just one person for gossiping? Gossip occurs between many people. All of the other women involved were seasoned gossipers. The gossip involved an incident of husband abuse. A former member in NYC was on trial for raping a sister. When the case was resolved he wanted to sue the AOY. The AOY in NYC has a few scattered member. Former and current members of the New York City chapter of the AOY claim spiritual abuse. They claim spiritual abuse on grounds that they have no place to worship.

In conclusion while some of the people that have left the AOY have been deserving of excommunication there have been many people who were wholly innocent of any crime. Any memeber who has witnessed and lived through all this trauma and confusion for almost three decades has been spiritualy abused.

JOM tell members to practice Mathew 18. He uses the pulpit for his confrontations. If he practiced matthew 18 instead of the pulpit as a weapon to confront hersay it would decrease the falling away of members.

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Subject: Re: :}Re: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


Author:
Eden
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Date Posted: 18:28:14 04/05/09 Sun
This forum is dedicated to the spiritually abused. People who claim that there is no abuse are most likely to be one of the abusers. There is "SPIRITUAL ABUSE" in the AOY. The files full of letters acknowledging those acts are proof of it. Lets start with the letter written by a formmer member from Trinidad. Do you want me access that letter and post it here as proof? That man was supported by the ADM. of the AOY after little girls reported sexual abuse. Apologize for misleading the public in the face of the same Qodesh name you cited. "LIAR." All of the confessions are kept on file. Go find it and read it before you come in here and be made a liar. The AOY has had problems worldwide. There was sexual abuse by a leader in Trinidad. It involved young girls More than one.

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Subject: Gary McGavin


Author:
Yisrael
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Date Posted: 09:29:46 05/22/09 Fri
Gary always seemed forceful and mean to the young people.How did he ever get ordained as a deacon since he was remarried?Also I heard JOM was elected constable, is that not against the AOY Statement of Doctrine.

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Subject: Re: bubley?


Author:
Darcy
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Date Posted: 12:20:41 05/22/09 Fri
Hi : was interested in the person asking if you were related to the Robert Bubley living in Alberta, Canada. Do you know Robert yourself ? I urgently need to contact him.
Thanks, Darcy

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
david, prophet of themost high iam
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Date Posted: 10:03:19 07/10/09 Fri
so what did happen to the elder meyer, did he sit down to get his house in order after what happen with his son,

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Subject: Re: Please explain...


Author:
Yochanan ben Yoseph (Are you a member of the AOY?)
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Date Posted: 02:36:21 08/09/09 Sun
When you speak of the dead; are you speaking of literally, or those who are dead in the eyes of the AOY [JOM]; because once you stop attending services, cross the AOY [JOM] in any way, or for any number of other fabricated reasons, a person can become dead in the eyes of the AOY. Once I write this, some of you may know who I am, but I don't care. The truth is the truth. I came to PA. in Aug. 2000 to marry a sister in the AOY. I was working two jobs, atending the Obadiah School of the Bible two nights a week, and attempting to rehab my wife's house, and even all that was not enough for her, and for what ever reason, she fell out of love. I will leave that at that, BUT: As I was attending T.O.S.O.T.B. I was usually high in the spirit. One evening I was attending the Conducting Public Worship class and afterwards we were all invited to stay and witness The Working of the Ministry Class, which by the way, is by invitation only. Having just concluded the one class, I was high in the spirit so to say. However, dureing that Working of the Ministry Class I witnessed, first hand, Nathaniel Meyer, Gary McAvin, John Hitt, and others spew utter lies about a family [a man, his wife, and their granddaughter] and one gentleman (?) even claimed that the young lady had come on to him sexually. PEOPLE! These were all blatant lies about these people because they refused to stay in goose-step with what the AOY was expecting of them. I knew this family personally and they were a couple of the most dedicated people the AOY ever had until they were accused [by the accuser of the brethren - see my earlier post] to be starting their own ministry which I know for a fact that they would not ever consider, and to the best of my knowledge, have not done since. Well, to say the least, I became literally nauseous and had to stop three times to vomit going over the mountain to Pine Grove. [Oh Oh - perhaps TMI] I ceased attending classes and services at that moment. I will not add here any of the gory details of how my life was then made unbearable by my then wife, under the counsel of JOM. And YES 'Just Wondering" there ARE two sides to every story but if you are an AOY member, you NEVER EVER get to know the side of the story of those who are being disciplined [sic] whether it is to be put on probation or being dis-fellowshiped. Been there - done that - don't even want the tee shirt.

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Yochanan ben Yoseph (Re: Y.P.T.C.)
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Date Posted: 03:06:40 08/09/09 Sun
To the best of my knowledge Y.P.T.C. has practically dissinegrated since the death of Elder Tyrone Joyner. But they have their own issues. When I attended the funeral, two of the Elders shuned me because I was wearing a Kippah and Tzit Tzits. I had know both of them from the AOY, and had thought that we were closer than that. The one has even adopted much of the same tactics of Gary McAvin although while we were both members of the AOY he thought McAvins tactics were deplorable. Go Figure! I know that here in central PA that for the most part, there is only one family left and they meet for Sabbath services in a family member's home. There was/is a fair sized congregation in Missouri led by Brother Al Dimmett. Knowing Al, I am sure he is doing everything in his power to keep things together.

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Yochanan ben Yoseph (You have my condolences!!!)
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Date Posted: 03:51:12 08/09/09 Sun
YES! You are speaking to me. Please see my first post. You will know very well who I am once I write this and if you want the real truth of what happened between my ex-wife and I, because you will not get it from her or JOM [who is still an assembly member and now re-married, for the third time while being a member, to a man who supposedly inherited 6 million dollars] please e-mail me. So here is some facts for you to chew on and is pretty public knowledge to a lot of people who are still members. We were attending the F.O.T., I believe in 2002, and her son and another young man was caught smoking cigarettes on the grounds, and J.O.M. was overheard to say by the other young man's father, that if it was pot/marijuana that they were smoking, he was going to call the cops and have them charged. Well, it was discovered that they had only been smoking cigarettes but my ex's son was banned from the AOY until the age of accountability, and we were put on probation. Two days later, three young people were caught smoking pot/marijuana and not only were the cops not called, but because one of the young men was Gary McAvin's youngest son, he was back attending services in less than 6 months. And I will not even go into what all happened between her [my ex-wife's] one daughter and Solomon Meyer when he was away at college. Another truth you may not be ready for. I worked at Shalom Farm for three Sundays in a row washing down and painting an underground tank for which I had to wear equipment which provided me with fresh air. A very dangerous undertaking for which, because it was for someone in the assembly, I was only charging $10.00 per hour, about 1/3 of the going price. I worked a total of 30 hours and they kept postponing paying me until I had to release them during the Sabbatical year. One more! Three witnesses. I had called someone, who I thought was a brother, and informed him about the organization of Y.P.T.C. and on the eve of Yom Teruah/Trumpets 2004, Gary McAvin came to my apartment breathing threats that he nor the AOY could back up from a legal standpoint. How can the AOY take legal action against me for making a phone call to someone I thought was my friend? LOL!!! And when I did talk to him [my supposed friend] he told me certain lies that my ex-wife had perpetuated against me, which only reiterated the lies she told to get a PFA against me; all with the counsel of JOM I am sure. OH! Just one more, since I am on a roll. There was a certain young man who got a DUI and was banned from attending the F.O.T. in 2002. But Gary McAvin got a DUI and there were absolutely NO repercussions. Go Figure! And that can be validated by Elder Robert Wirl, whom Gary McAvin and most of the Meyer men are not even worthy to carry his sandal.

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Subject: Re: Not as you say...


Author:
Yochanan ben Yoseph (Get A Life)
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Date Posted: 04:08:07 08/09/09 Sun
The Assembly/Assemblies of Yahweh in Holt Michigan was legally chartered back in 1937 and had some rather famous members. VanCamp of the food giant was one, so was Sesna of airplane fame, and I can't remember his name but he was the father of a famous black singer who he ended up shooting to death because he could no longer tolerate his sons wicked life style.

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Paul R Wilson (tired)
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Date Posted: 12:45:04 08/12/09 Wed
I first heard of this bearded heretic Jacob O. Meyer back about 20 years ago. He sent me literature and that convinced me that he was deranged. Among other things he would NOT use the proper spelling of words like "lord")(as in Warlord Togo) and "Christ" and "church", but always as Warl-rd and Chr-ist, and ch-rch.
He also insisted in his "statement of doctrine" and in some of the articles his org sent, that we must obey the 613 commandments laid out in the books of Exodus,Leviticus et al. Minus the animal sacrifices that would be ~510 (the ten being the Ten Commandments). I believe that the Messiah (Jesus or Yahshuah or Yhwhhoshua or Cthulhu or whatever) abolished all but the Ten. The New Testament says so in Acts 15 and Mark 7.
Mr. Meyer is def. NOT to going to be able to muster 144,000 during any so-called Great Tribulation, esp. if he INSISTS on the 510 Commandments. No wonder people are leaving !

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Walter HR Schwenk
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Date Posted: 13:42:02 08/17/09 Mon
Dear "Finally, Proof?" / "AOY member";

You said, "As long as we're naming names and pointing fingers on this forum perhaps you like me to name some and tell my stories about some who are no longer members. Would anyone be afraid to hear about their own lives?"

"AOY member", I would like to take you up on your kind offer; please tell me why I was pushed out the door to the meeting hall in december 2003? Tell me a bit more about this part of my life! Please tell your stories about me, as to the best of my knowledge, I am no longer an "AOY" member. Give me please, some more information to round out the link below.

http://schwenkcarpentry.com/memories.aspx

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Shalom (Selah-please ponder upon)
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Date Posted: 14:42:52 09/05/09 Sat
To the people who have family members remaining in the AOY, I was also a member until Yahweh called me out to a higher calling. The family members however, idolizes what Meyer says even though some things he says cannot be verified scriptually. They are evidently brainwashed. We can only pray that Yahweh will intervene and bring Meyer and my family back to the path of righteousness.
Meyer needs to humble himself and commune with himself and first acknowledge that he is not always right and there were people he had offended and never excercised Matthew 18:15, hence sending people twice fold unto Gehenna. The blood will be upon Meyers head because he caused some to stumble.

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