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Date Posted: 06:50:45 10/18/09 Sun
Author: Joel to David
Subject: Re: True Confession
In reply to: David 's message, "True Confession" on 17:27:13 10/14/09 Wed

Hey David, Hey Buddy...
I have tried for 2-3 days since seeing your message to me, Kyle, Steve and others, to write an answer to you with the right words, but each day when I tried to write they all came out wrong, so let's see if I can do it now right!

IF ANYONE OWES ANYONE AN APOLOGY, IT'S ME TO YOU!!!

David, buddy, I'm sorry I pushed you to say somethings about an early time period of your life, grade school years, which I thought you probably got spankings at home and at school like any little kid might, (except me, darn it), because you so kindly shared about paddlings you got at home and school from age l0-plus.

I'm sorry I gave you the impression that you had to impress me because when you didn't mention anything about that time period, I asked you again I believe, and you said to the effect, "It was a long time ago, my message was too lengthy and you didn't want to rehash those years."

IT'S MY FAULT! I'M SORRY! I DID NOT mean to give you the understanding, and pressure you to think that you had to "create" to think I would not continue to accept you as an equal buddy and friend, if you didn't tell me more about spankings you might have gotten growing up before age l0.

I pressured you, "Oh come dude, give me more details!" David, buddy, that was WRONG OF ME TO DO THAT. I did not mean that you had to or even give you the impression I would write you off and not want to talk with you anymore in this great forum, which I can see you was starting to like and be a member of.

I'M SORRY DAVID! PLEASE FORGIVE ME!
I thought you got spankings at home and school (no crime if you didn't, dude), and should have realized to drop it, but I get demanding sometime, and you know its because I never got spankings until my first in the principal's offfice in 11th grade that you know about I shared with you.
David, I agree with you, you and I, and even Steve, are alot alike in may ways, and part is like you agree is that we didn't get spanked when we were young kids.
That's NOT YOUR FAULT, and its not ours because our parents and teachers and pricipals didn't think they we needed to be just yet.
Buddy, you mentioned about yourself being in a "shell" and being "labeled" when you was little. I know that feel, man! And you figured it out about me when you first came to know and read about me in the forum. Remember your comment, "you wrote a masterpiece, dude!"
Well David, your message here is a "masterpiece" and I know how much GUTS it took for you to write it, and the HONESTY you put with it and behind!
I'm proud of you, man!
Again, I created so much pressure to you I feel I did to want you to share about spankings you might have gotten before age l0, that you finally thought you had better tell me that you didn't.
Hey David, that is cool that you didn't get any, but like you said, and you are right, you and I are alot alike because we didn't, AND you decided while growing up to investigate why you didn't and explore ways so that you could.
I think its cool that God created a boy named David. And David was given the gift of having a big brother to help watch out for him. I'm not criticsing God because He didn't give me a brother or a sister, but it would have been nice. That's why when I came to know a little bigger guy then me name Kyle, I thought, "hey, maybe this guy would not only be a great buddy and friend, but maybe a "big brother" to a little buddy.
That's why you and Rick got along together so good David while you was growing up, Rick needed you and you needed him, sometimes to have him protect you when needed and other times to have to "push around" like big brothers" like to do. LUCKY YOU, DAVID, on both accounts. That's why you made the comparison about you and me, and about Rick and Kyle. Cool! I agree!
Now back about your mom. She was only doing what she thought was best for you, protecting and maybe lack of punishing you, yes I mean spankings, etc. She probably thought you didn't need it. My mom was the same way, dude!
Of course you had brother Rick, who wanted to be his own guy, and if he got into trouble he would have to face punishment, and it was spankings that your parents decided that might teach him to be a better boy. Shall I say it, Kyle was and is the same way for him, dude!

I was shy, quiet when I was growing up the same years like you, I guess I was kinda in a "shell" and I did get "labeled" like you, but I did fight back a little more, and got other punishments, instead of spankings.
WHY? I've tried to find an answer to that question.
And let's refer to the mention you made about me in the second grade playing with matches with my buddy David! Yes, we got caught, and the principal should have spanked us, but did't and thought our parents should handle it.
I got scared, you will recall, and I threw the note I was suppose to take home to my parents. They never found out about m playing with matches, but my buddy David got his butt whipped BIGTIMNE he told me next day, so I wouldn't like look a WHOOSE, FOOL, or a buddy who chickened out perhaps from his FIRST parential spanking to his butt, I LIED to David to say I got spanked to. As a little kid, I wasn't ashamed to lie to him, but it was wrong of me I see as I got older.
That was a risk I took that the incident might not be discovered about. It's a wonder it didn't because my mom sometimes like other mom helped as a teacher aid when she could. So my teacher and the principal never asked me, "did you give Joel a good spanking for playing with the matches?"
I did other things growing up, like you've told you did, to see if my parents loved me enough to give me spankings when I realized I deserved them, but they always dished out other puishments again! Kyle got his share, however, and other kids wondered why I didn't. Thus, some kinds put the "label tag" on me, but still thought I ws pretty good guy as a playmate. Then I got interested in sports. That was a whole new ball game, those kids saw that, and I'm not bragging dude, that God gave me a talent to play some sports better then others and kids, and kids decided I was a good guy to have around to help them win games, etc.

But back to about you David.
You said you got your first real spanking for stealing candy at the store. You touched basis with me about that happening, and I pressured you to tell more but you hadn't until now. I'm glad you realized YOU WAS WRONG in stealing the candy and you had a good mom to take you back to the store to own up to it. For whatever reason, YES she should have given you your FIRST SPANKING, but still she didn't have the heart to, but that didn't mean she didn't love you to do it, so that's why she let your dad do it. Yeah, it had to b scary, but hey duded, you got to be like big brother Rick and get your BUTT PADDLED GOOD!
Sure it hurt, but you realized you was more of a normal boy and she have been treated like one by everyone before that. That lifted the "momma boy" tag! I had that tag and it took me awhile to get rid of it to.
About stealing, David. I think I told you or maybe not, but I did tell Rick. I guess the biggest stealing I did as kid, and I even do it today, (don't laugh) is that as a little kid and now big kid I steal cookies from my mom when I wasn't suppose to. "Joel, no cookies, they'll spoil your supper!" I took cookies as a little squirt and even today. If Mom counted cookies and found some missing my dad would get blamed. He wouldn't follow the "rule" when he got home from work then or even now, if he wants a cookie he gets a cookie, but I'm not suppose to. Did I fear punishment, even a spanking? NO! And I would have deserved a SPANKING for stealing, right?
Now back to you David...
I know the feeling, dude, you wanted to be an equal guy seeing Rick and others get spanked growing up, especially now age l0 and up. I wanted to when I saw Kyle get it!
Again, it's not because of lack of love my a parent I think, it's their decision if they should do it. I don't think my parents felt my butt would get damaged if they whacked me with a paddle or belt, but why didn't they?
Now dude, that's where I admire you, and even Rick,that you both got the opportunities when you got spankings at home and school, and YES CURIOUS to want to knew details about yours and Kyle's and other guys, so to think I wished I had my turn again.
WHOW, DAVID...you lucky dog, you and Rick getting some spankings together, equal brothers and equal buddies! I can imagine the feelings you both had, NOT THE PAIN FROM THE SPANKINGS, but knowing how proud Rick was of you taking them with him (you both deserved) and how much pride you felt as little brother being equal to big brother getting your little butt tanned just like him.
NO IT DOES NOT SOUND CRAZY!
I'm jealous of you guys, but that doesn't NOT mean I will go look for trouble for me and Kyle to both get our butts tanned together. Or, should I? (ha ha), Just kidding.
So you see David, that's why I guess I took a "bond" to Rick when he introduced himself as your brother, and he talked about you some, and then I told him to have you get involved in the forum to.
I realize you guys have a life, so do I and Kyle, and you have everything going GREAT for you two with the family business, etc. Hey David, age 23, not everyone can say they got it good at that age, a good college education, a job, etc. you've accomplished alot. So has Rick in the same, and think, it's what you both want, working together in a business, etc. and you both are equal partners in it!
So again buddy... from what you told here I see truthful facts that you shared about your coming out spankings from age l0-plus. I don't see anything else, like you said, that could not be more truthful, except that you thought you had better give the impression to be acceped by me, Kyle, Steve and others, to "create" and leave an impression that you got pre-age l0 spankings, but would let it go at that and no go indetail.
I'm NOT disappointed in you dude about not being fully honest.
Again, IT'S MY FAULT TOO, DAVID! I feel I pressured you into you feeling you HAD to come up with pre-l0 yrs. old spankings to "satisfy me" and my curiousity.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME, dude! I'M SORRY!
I FORGIVE YOU! I UNDERSTAND YOU DID WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD TO DO.
I never stopped being your friend, David. Thought of you more as an older brother, in a way if you can understand that?
Please continue in the forum, leave messages, and share more about the spankings you got, if it's not re-hashing, as I would like to learn more, about you, etc., IF YOU WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ME AS A BUDDY?
As for that suggestion that you need to be "chewed out" to let you know, hey dude, you realized what you did was WRONG, so this time because you owned up to it, let's let it slide through, okay?
So you still have the paddle that beat your butt and Rick's, huh? How did you get dad to part with that or because you are the younger brother your folks feel you might put it to good use when you raise a family yourself and use it on your kids, so they passed it down to you? Is Rick jealous?
Before you ask, NO my grandpa hasn't asked me yet if I want his old razor strap he used on my dad as a kid, and grandpa gave me 5 licks a few months ago to see what it felt like. It's still in the barn, why I don't know, but you know I, Kyle and Luke have been "using it" for curiousity reasons", and maybe I will inheit that "thing" someday.
And David, that took a lot of GUTS to suggest that if needed for you to stay in the forum, and to correct a "wrong in truthfulness" that you could have Rick take that paddle to your bare butt, even though you haven't felt the "heat" from the wood since your l8th birthday and since it was last used to tan Rick's butt for his 2lst birthday. That's not necessary, dude. Gotta ask, here I go again, why didn't Rick take that paddle to your butt on your 21st birthday?
So David, keep the paddle stored away, but why not take it out when your birthday and Rick's birthday roll around and rekindle some "memories"?
So David, buddy...read over everyone's messages we've posted about different subjects, events, etc. you would like to know more about us, and I would like to about you, and sorry inadvance if I might ask questions that re-hash things, BUT STOP ME if I get into territories that I should not ask about and cause you to be pressured and so you won't feel you need to impress me about untruthful things.
Geeze buddy, do I have another "masterpiece" here or what?
David, I think I covered everything I wanted to say. I feel better about myself doing this, letting a good buddy know how I feel about him and our friendship, and that I'm SORRY and ASK FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS that I might have caused in resulting in things happening.
It will probably be a few days for you to discover this message to you, but I hope you do and will respond to it, David.
When I discover that you have, it might be a day or two before I get back with you.
But please DON'T STOP contacting me ever, and same goes for Rick to, as it's nice to know I have two cool dudes like you two as friends!
I think Kyle wants to leave a message, he's here and we are studying for a school test, so I'll get off here or he's going to pound my butt if I don't. He did Friday night, after the football game in my room here, when Luke stayed overnight and Luke and I got caught "celebrating" our football win and because of it we qualify to play in state football play-offs after this weeks game. Luke and I had been snapping towels in the lockeroom, like good buddies do from time to time, and "big brother" Kyle thought Luke and I needed some discipline. I'm talking about, what Kyle calls "two little bare asses, bent over, side-by-side and getting paddled".
Geeze! Kyle sure knows how to put a damper on two guys "celebrating"!

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