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Assemblies of Yahweh Abuse Forum Rebuttal!
Welcome: This forum will serve as a rebuttal to the lies being posted on the Voy Forum called Assemblies of Yahweh - Victims of Abuse Support Group: A Support Group for Survivors. This quasi forum posts prevarications using fake names and numbers. One cannot respond to this forum as it is one-sided, extremely biased and prejudiced. All responses unless favorable to their point of view, are rejected!

Still the Man! -- Gary A McAvin, 15:08:10 12/06/11 Tue [1]
"Even the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil and fought over the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him but said, "May Yahweh rebuke you!" Judah 1:9

How long does the adversary and his earthly minions accuse people? Considering the passage quoted in Judah, concerning Moses, even after they are dead the accusations and contentions continue. The pettiness of minor insignificant people who continue to speak in matters they know nothing of is nothing short of bewildering. Since I started speaking Yahweh's word there have been those who have sought to silence me. I would go to work and be met with someone telling me that "you can work here but, no preaching!" This continues to this very day. There has been someone trying to silence me from day one! Am I that significant?

Petty undistinguished people have tried to silence and marginalize me from the start of my connection with the Assemblies of Yahweh. Why? What am I going to say or do, that would trouble them so much? Whatever that would be I will assure you this, if Almighty Yahweh wants me to say or do something, you will not stop it! From my perspective, usually those who oppose me or stand in my way are servants of Satan, sinners. This was specific in the last thirty plus years while Elder Jacob O. Meyer was alive. Satan wanted to take over the AOY and he used many people in this attempt including Elder Meyer's own family members. Has this attempt stopped? Hardly!

Satan works on weak-minded individuals who want power and or position. Usually those with sin in their lives are the easiest to bring into his compliance. "The devil also took him to a high place and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in an instant. He said to Yahshua, "I will give you all this authority and the glory of these kingdoms. For it has been given to me, and I give it to anyone I please. So if you will worship me, all this will be yours." [Luke 4:5-7] This has been the test most often failed by the so-called leadership (over assorted periods of time) in the Assemblies of Yahweh. And, Satan has used/uses this successfully to maintain the inside track in the AOY.

As it appears I am still the most feared man among many which includes Satan and his. Still seem to be the primary target as more is written about me than anyone else in some circles. This continues to reveal the petty worthlessness of the rest who can’t even finish a close second! Sweet! I'm still the man!

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Now We Are Getting Somewhere! -- Gary A McAvin (:)), 14:41:40 10/05/11 Wed [1]
"The transgression of the wicked says within my heart, there is no fear of Elohim before his eyes. For he flatters himself in his own eyes, that his iniquity will not be found out and be hated. The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: He hath ceased to be wise and to do good. He devises iniquity upon his bed; He sets himself in a way that is not good; He abhors not evil." (Psalm 36:1-4)

"Our vineyards are in blossom; we must catch the little foxes that destroy the vineyards." (Song 2:15)

"As they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain base fellows, beset the house round about, beating at the door; and they spoke to the master of the house, the old man, saying, bring forth the man that came into your house, that we may know him." (Judges 19:22)

Did you ever wonder why some people, families, fight so hard against you? Perhaps you know that person or family and their family secrets or; the ubiquitous skeletons in the closet therewith connected. It is sin that is at the root of their animosity, contentions, as was at the heart of the tribe of Benjamin in Judges Chapter 19. They cannot seem to see the sin in their own lives but can point out every fault in others, see Psalm 36:1-4 as previously quoted.

The question that can be asked of Judges 19 is; why didn't they just send out the offenders and avoid the confrontation with Israel? Instead, they chose to fight against Israel and were almost annihilated in battle. One should note that Israel also suffered losses as well. "One sinner destroys much good." The object lesson points towards the results of unrepented sin. Sin within an individual or family will ultimately destroy those individuals.

There is/was a family that founded a religious group many, many years ago. From its inception sin was within that family. The heads of that family seemingly were not aware of what was happening under their own roof while they were trying to better their lives and the lives of others. While they were striving to do the work they were called to do, family members were shoveling the dirt out from under their feet. One of the primary sins in that family was the same as was found in Judges 19, sodomy. "You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." (Leviticus 18:22) This plus other sexual sins ultimately diminished that family and it appears that they will be ultimately destroyed with only a small minority remaining, perhaps one or two.

The rapid response to my last post and the circumstances surrounding the context of the matter, cause me to believe, as I have for quite some time, that there is collusion among posters on the Voy Forum. This collusion has all the appearance of a continued plot to remove Elder Jacob O Meyer, and his wife, from the position that he occupied while still living. It didn’t work then and the animosity is now directed at Carol and me. And, that is not going to work either! The information posted concerning the Meyer family was an inside job. Someone with inside information, one that actually lived in that house, unwisely spoke against their father. If you had concerns with all of this why not approach him directly? Afraid he wouldn’t listen? He did listen to me when I reported the sinful activities of his family! He didn’t like what I had to say, but it was true! And he went to his grave knowing about their sinful activities. Reuben, you are my first-born, my might, and the beginning of my strength; the pre-eminence of dignity, and the pre-eminence of power. Boiling over as water, you shall not have the pre-eminence; because you went up to your father's bed; Then defiled you it: he went up to my couch.” (Genesis 49:3-4) Yes, Jacob knew then and Jacob O knew now! Can’t you see what you have done to your family and the work of Almighty Yahweh?

The allegations against Carol and me are based on heresy. The information obtained was second hand, third hand, fourth hand, wishful thinking, and figments of the imagination stories. This information is based on lies! The information that I have posted and testified to have been based on the plinths of truth! I know because I was there, my wife Carol was there, and we lived it! The accusers cannot say the same! This means you T. Cardenas, Carmen Orosco, members of the Meyer family, et al. You were not there, so just shut up! You were hoping to generate something to dislodge Carol and me so you could take over the Assemblies of Yahweh! You figured that somehow we were standing in the way, and still do, in your way of obtaining this goal. “But now has Yahweh set the members each one of them in the body, even as it pleased him.” (1 Corinthians 12:18) Notwithstanding, you are barking up the wrong tree! Carol and I have nothing to do with the implanting or removal of the members of the AOY! Don’t you see what has happened to all of those that oppose Yahweh? You have killed yourselves and others. Matthew 18:6-7

I am in the process of writing a journal to be published concerning my time with evil people. “By talking high-sounding nonsense and using sinful cravings of the flesh, they entice people who have just escaped from those who live in error. Promising them freedom, they themselves are slaves to depravity, for a person is a slave to whatever conquers him. For if, after escaping the world's corruptions through a full knowledge of our Master and Savior Yahshua the Messiah, they are again entangled and conquered by those corruptions, and then their last condition is worse than their former one.” (2 Peter 2:18-20) There are good people in religious organizations and there are bad people, real bad people, these are those that I will focus on. We will see the response to this albeit unnecessary, and will continue from there!

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Word Definitions -- Gary A McAvin, 14:50:15 09/28/11 Wed [1]
Today we want to look at word definitions. And for once, this is not about T. Cardenas. This is for whom it concerns, those who will find and read this posting. And believe me it is only a small shot across the bow.

Recently I gave a dissertaion wherein I had to describe the unpleasantries of young boys going into the penal system. I must insert here that although qualified to be a prison guard or on a prison staff, I have refused to occupy any such a position. Primary reason being the recidivism rate is so high I feel like I would be wasting my time. Followed by being subject to riots and complete lockdowns. As one who visits prisons for the Assemblies of Yahweh ministry, I have been in multiple prisons over the years in a ministerial capacity. I have been told about possible riots and lock downs by the prison staff. You are, so-to-speak, on your own should something like this occur. They will try to protect you if they can, so they say. Anyway, back to the talk/class I taught and the use of a word used to describe in the "Scared Straight" vernacular, what a young boy becomes (or can become) when he becomes incarcerated, a "bitch." This means that the boy becomes the female counterpart of some bad man who beats and rapes them into subjection. Anyway, it seems that some, one or two were offended at this descriptive terminology. Let us look at this definition, and several others.

Definition of BITCH
1 the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a lewd or immoral woman b: a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman —sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
4 complaint

Examples of BITCH
That word is a bitch to spell.

Origin of BITCH
Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce
First Known Use: before 12th century

Related to BITCH
Synonyms: beef, complaint, bleat, carp, fuss, grievance, gripe, grouch, grouse, grumble, holler, kvetch, lament, miserere, moan, murmur, plaint, squawk, wail, whimper, whine, whinge [British], yammer

This word implies something that is objectionable to be or become. The unpleasantries of a young man or women being turned into something they were not intended to be is very difficult. As I have taken multiple psychology courses for my criminology major, I can assure you that this quandry is very difficult to overcome for those who were sexuallay sodomized in prison. It is a stigma that can last a lifetime especially if they marry and have children of their own. Speaking of sodomy, let's see the definition of this word for a better understanding of the terminology.

Definition of SODOMY
anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also: copulation with an animal — sod·om·it·ic or sod·om·it·i·cal adjective

Origin of SODOMY
Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1–11
First Known Use: 13th century

Okay, let's look at one who commits this heinous act aka a sodomite.

Definition of SODOMITE
one who practices sodomy

One final definition that come to mind here is incest.

Definition of INCEST
sexual intercourse between persons so closely related that they are forbidden by law to marry; also: the statutory crime of such a relationship

Definition of INCESTUOUS
1 constituting or involving incest
2 guilty of incest
3 excessively or improperly intimate or exclusive — in·ces·tu·ous·ly adverb — in·ces·tu·ous·ness noun

Pennsylvania Law-- Section 4302-- Incest

A person is guilty of incest, a felony of the second degree, if that person knowingly marries or cohabits or has sexual intercourse with an ancestor or descendant, a brother or sister of the whole or half blood or an uncle, aunt, nephew or niece of the whole blood. The relationships referred to in this section include blood relationships without regard to legitimacy, and relationship of parent and child by adoption.

I think that those who find this post will get the point, perhaps definitions are not something you want to look into. These definitions can be coupled with names if you/they insist on putting pressures on the wrong people. Was/is there a Torah violation here by the use of the "B" word? There are those that one should just leave alone, do you think? Specifically a wordsmith who actually knows the meaning of words and their application.

All definitions taken from Merriam Webster Dictionary 2011

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The Most Feared Man Among You! -- Gary A McAvin, 19:26:49 09/12/11 Mon [1]
"Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for in the same manner did their fathers to the false prophets." Luke 6:26

Well, isn't it interesting that an entire (well almost) forum is dedicated to Carol and I? Since Elder Jacob O Meyer has passed, I (we) are now the obsession with you, Satan, et al. Nothing changes the facts about you T. Cardenas no matter what you write on the Voy Forum. Everything you state is but a figment, wishful thinking, of your (and your mother's) wicked mindset. And your all caps, shouting, amplifies the anger, animosity that you harbor against us. "And the dragon was enraged over the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, those keeping the commandments of Yahweh, and having the testimony of Yahshua the Messiah." Revelation 12:17 You are the agent of Satan and you will do his bidding.

There were only allegations brought against me because of you and your mother. You wanted to get even for being kept back from the feast of Tabernacles. You came to the feast prior to these allegations if you recall, playing the role of a holier than thou individual one year. You were asked about committing fornication with the mother of your children. You denied the allegation; however, the person you engaged with in committing this sinful act was pregnant. And we (Carol and I) knew about this! You were in denial even up to the time the child was born. Until...Bobby Orosco told you that the child looked just like you. That child was named Tony Jr. And Cardenas, it was/is yours, funny how you can level accusations against others while your own house is dirty.

And, incidentally, being on the inside track of those so-called allegations against me, we learned that everyone on the law enforcement side had a problem with them being true from the start! Regardless, where does everything stand as we speak? Nowhere does it! You didn't get me or Carol, so all that is left is a rehash of dead allegations and your continual ranting about something that didn't pan out the way you and your wicked mother wanted it to. Did you get even? Did you get revenge? No! And, you never will! Oh...you may eventually become so mad at your continued failure that you may try some form of aggressive action, such as, trying to cause us harm or even murder us, but, that too will fail as enough people know the thoughts and intents of your wicked heart! And if anything happens to us, the trail will lead back to you and it will certainly be avenged!

So, it does appear that you, some members of the Meyer family and of course your father, Satan, fear me, us, beyond anything normal. I guess we will live in your (and other's) mind rent free! The end is closing in on you and your kind. The lake of fire awaits, and I guarantee that you will be thrown into that lake, along with most of the Meyer family, and the Sacred Name Movement people! Just keep posting T. Cardenas, it shows you for the anal retentive piece of scatology that you are!

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Truce or Continued War, Your Choice! -- Gary A McAvin, 14:59:16 08/22/11 Mon [1]
T. Cardenas, you stated that you wanted to let things go, however, I still see evil postings against me and Carol. As previously stated, you cannot turn the other cheek. When the anti-McAvin posts stop and are deleted on Voy Forum, I will do the same. If you take down the posts wherein my name (our names) is contained, I will do the same. But, if you continue posting against Carol and me, I will do the same, only there are other measures that I will incorporate against you! If we can come to a truce so-be-it! The choice is yours and yours alone!

“He that corrects a scoffer gets to himself reviling; and he that reproves a wicked man gets himself a blot. Reprove not a scoffer, lest he hate you: Reprove a wise man, and he will love thee. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: Teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning.” Proverbs 9:7-9

My question T. Cardenas, which one of these choices is you in aforementioned passages? Are you that scoffer, wicked man, or, have you wised up and become man enough to “just let it go?”

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Integrity -- Gary A McAvin, 16:14:01 08/19/11 Fri [1]
“Surely my lips shall not speak unrighteousness; neither shall my tongue utter deceit. Far be it from me that I should justify you: TIL I DIE I WILL NOT PUT AWAY MINE INTEGRETY FROM ME. My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: My heart shall not reproach me so long as I live. Let mine enemy be as the wicked, and let him that rises up against me be as the unrighteous.” Job 27:4-7

Cardenas, your writings, or so-called responses, contain arrogant vindication. Your type of individuals has an overwhelming need for vindictive triumph. In fact, vindication, or vengeance, becomes an entire way of life. And one, such as you, has become obsessed with getting even with Carol and me for no significant reason other than revenge! And, any desire for love in your life you might have had at one time has now been replaced by blind vindictive ambition and a drive toward, vindictive triumph! You have become blind to any truth that will be presented to you. “And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.” Matthew 24:12. And, cold, cold-hearted you are!

You became indignant, which for you doesn’t take much, with the mention of your name and its’ association with lies in a previous post by me. In your all about me, and how great I am posting concerning your current employment, what a great drug free bus driver you are, you make statements that may be true now (well again, maybe not) but were false at a prior time period in your life. For instance; you talk about your drug tests. However, the source of information that is supplying you with your once-upon-a-time story and accusations against me and Carol is the same one that said the following:

1. You did use drugs and you sold drugs

2. You are a bi-sexual

3. You have and keep man porn
close to you (man porn is homosexual depictions between males)

4. You are foul and abusive and you beat women

This is the same source that you reference and accuse us/me by! Would that source lie? Hmm! Now, I can add to this list more things that you are, but, one thing you are not is; a winner at anything! However, the things that I aforementioned happened before your come to Je—s moment! You are now a pillar in your community, a stellar person with no faults whatsoever! Truth is; you are a loser Cardenas, a failure, a completely worthless being, made to be taken and destroyed in the lake of fire with your real father, Satan, who constantly accuses! You continue to attack and accuse people who are winners, people whose behavior is exemplary, and people who are serving the Most High Yahweh! You have done nothing with your diatribe that has altered the course of history, nor will it have any effect, notwithstanding!

People like you retaliate when you think that you have been injured by hurting your supposed enemies more than they have hurt you! You have been ruthless, abusive and cynical in your relationship with the mother of your children, and this behavior has been exemplified by your mother also. You are an arrogant-vindictive self-serving person who seeks to exploit and outsmart others. You cannot trust anyone and are out to get others before they get you. You have no idea or concepts about what it means to do unto others as you would have them do to you, do you?

Cardenas you have been insulted by what I have said in my defense to your once-upon-a-time accusations and storytelling diatribe, your ego is bruised, your pride is hurt, you have been shown to be impotent and diminished in more ways than one, and now your poor little feelings are hurt and you are mad as Sheol, blazes, hell! You have been constantly humiliated, it is just unfair, and you don't like feeling or being the fool, do you? Humiliation often results in violent retaliation and revenge. And this is exactly how you react in every since of the true narcissistic retaliation fashion! Cardenas, you just can’t turn the other cheek, can you?

A person who is insecure about their genuine stature is more prone to feeling shame as a result of an insult. I believe you are a shameful person because of what you have done in your secret life. You have a lot of garbage in your mind and your actual behavior has been sinful, abominable, and you are trying to cast this shamefulness on others so as not to feel guilty or shameful. We call that transference, (psychoanalysis) the process whereby emotions are passed on or displaced from one person to another; such as during psychoanalysis the displacement of feelings toward others (usually the parents, in this case Carol and me) is onto the analyst or minister. Bottom line here Cardenas, when all has been said and done, none of what you have said will matter! And your responses in all caps, constant shouting, oh please, how juvenile! I rest my case!

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The Lawlessness Continues! -- Gary A McAvin, 21:05:29 08/16/11 Tue [1]
According to the Scriptures, the condition of the world in the last days is characterized by the term "lawlessness." Yahshua spoke of the "increase of lawlessness" (Matthew 24:12). And Paul wrote about the man of sin (lawless) and the mystery of lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians 2:7. Lawlessness may be defined as an action or way of life, illegality as a consequence of unlawful acts; defiance of the law, and "not regulated by or based on law." One cannot help but notice common denominators between those who keep Yahweh’s law and those who do not.

There are many who profess Yahweh among the Sacred Name Movement, however, they only pay lip service to his name and the book he gave to the human race. Titus 1:16 “They profess that they know Yahweh; but by their works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate.” Because if they did in truth know Yahweh, they would not conduct themselves as they do. The cyber-harassment evident on the so-called Assemblies of Yahweh abuse forum evidences against any religious conviction and true worship of the Most High Yahweh! What is Cyber-harassment?

Cyber-harassment. Cyber-harassment usually pertains to threatening or harassing email messages, instant messages, or to blog entries or websites dedicated solely to tormenting an individual, or individuals, such as what is found on the Voy Forums. Some states approach cyber-harassment by including language addressing electronic communications in general harassment statutes, while others have created stand-alone cyber-harassment statutes.

Cyber Harassment Law & Legal Definition

Cyber harassment refers to online harassment. Cyber harassment or bullying is the use of email, instant messaging, and derogatory websites to bully or otherwise harass an individual or group through personal attacks. Cyber harassment can be in the form of flames; comments made in chat rooms, sending of offensive or cruel e-mail, or even harassing others by posting on blogs or social networking sites. We will look at Texas’s laws on this illegal act.

Texas Penal Code Sec. 33.07. ONLINE HARASSMENT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person uses the name or persona of another person to create a web page on or to post one or more messages on a commercial social networking site:

(1)Without obtaining the other person's consent; and

(2)With the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate, or threaten any person.

(1)"Commercial social networking site" means any business, organization, or other similar entity operating a website that permits persons to become registered users for the purpose of establishing personal relationships with other users through direct or real-time communication with other users or the creation of web pages or profiles available to the public or to other users.

Several things motivate cyber-harassment. These can range from boredom and the harasser seeking personal entertainment to personal vendettas, and can include:

1. Revenge
2. Jealousy
3. Righteousness (Self)
4. Bigotry
5. Fear
6. Anger
7. To get the attention of the target or others

What Can You Do?
If you are an adult and you have been a victim, do not hesitate to contact the police.

The Voy forum that I have been writing about, and against, has focused their vilifications against members of the Assemblies of Yahweh. Why? Because Satan is their master and he leads them against people who keep Yahweh’s laws, statutes and judgments. These individuals are spoken of by Isaiah the Prophet. “Transgressing and denying Yahweh, and turning away from following our Elohim, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood. And, justice is turned away backward, and righteousness stands far off; for truth is fallen in the street, and uprightness cannot enter. Yes, truth is lacking; and he that departs from evil makes himself a prey. And Yahweh saw it, and it displeased him that there was no justice.” Isaiah 59:13-15 in particular, Gary A McAvin and his wife Carol have certainly been targeted. Why us? Are we really that important? We don’t think so! Notwithstanding, the attack continues!

Although it is against the law to post the type of vilifications, harassments, prevarications on forums like Voy, they do it anyway. And, Voy has been contacted numerous times concerning these types of posts. They have it in their own rules that these types of posts are not allowed. But, because they have become so lazy, they do not monitor the forum as they did in the beginning. However, the law of the land concerning libel, slander, and character assassination, is rapidly being applied to the internet writings. Then those who write hateful things against others will certainly be punished. There is no such thing as anonymity on the internet! The authorities know who is doing what at all times. “Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.” Matthew 10:26

Est 3:1 After these things did king Ahasuerus promote Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him, and set his seat above all the princes that were with him. “And all the king's servants, that were in the king's gate, bowed down, and did reverence to Haman; for the king had so commanded concerning him. But Mordecai bowed not down, nor did him reverence. Then the king's servants, that were in the king's gate, said unto Mordecai, Why do you transgress the king's commandment? Now it came to pass, when they spoke daily unto him, and he hearkened not unto them, that they told Haman, to see whether Mordecai's matters would stand: for he had told them that he was a Jew. And when Haman saw that Mordecai bowed not down, nor did him reverence, then was Haman full of wrath.” Esther 3:1-5

As one who sits in the gate of the Assemblies of Yahweh, I can certainly relate to this passage. Those who falsely accuse Carol and me are no different than those of Mordecai’s time. Insert the assorted names (and you know who you are) where the name Haman appears, and you have your answer. Mordecai was a Torah observant Jew as am I, so; I see a connection across the eras of time. “That which has been is that which shall be; and that which has been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” Ecclesiastes 1:9

So, what was the ending for Haman, and subsequently for Mordecai? Haman and his were destroyed and Mordecai was lifted up because of his obedience and good works. “The wicked person sees this and flies into a rage; his teeth gnash and wear away. The desire of the wicked will amount to nothing.” Psalm 112:10

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The Spanish (Well Mexican, well perhaps half) Inquisition! -- Gary A McAvin, 15:30:08 06/16/11 Thu [1]
For an extended period of time Carol and I have been subject to a modern day Spanish Inquisition, in this case Mexican Inquisition! The Spanish Inquisition sought to punish Jews, force them to renounce their faith, convert to X-tianity, cause them to suffer torture, and cause them to die and/or drive them out of Spain completely! The latest version has been the dripping excruciate method employed by the Mexican (again half) Inquisition that believes it will be effectual overall. Those associated with the original intent of the Spanish Inquisition were mentally unstable people. The same can be said for the Mexican (half?) Inquisition that continue to harass and harangue Carol and I over nothing! But, what did the Jews do to deserve the torture and death sentences imposed on them? Perhaps just being a Jew is enough to cause this horrendous act perpetrated on them. Perhaps we find ourselves in the same predicament as there seems to be no logical reason for the continued verbal barrage leveled against us!

It seems that the purpose of this entire monotonous process has the same goal that the Spanish Inquisition projected, get rid of those obnoxious rich successful Jews. Who can stand before envy is the thought that comes to mind here. If there is no other purpose then that, why continue the diatribe? Again, there is no record and those numbers CP-06-CR-0001377-200 are useless. And you say that I don’t need to spend time writing diatribes that hardly anyone is getting, you are! And these “diatribes” are directed at you and others like you for this purpose and intent! So you see, its working! How Carol and I must bother you? We are in your heads rent free! As for us…how does it affect us? We ALOAO! Again…those numbers mean absolutely nothing and there is no clerk that will tell you anything different! What were those numbers again? CP-06-CR-0001377-200, I say, CP-06-CR-0001377-200, again, CP-06-CR-0001377-200. Just want to be clear about those numbers…CP-06-CR-0001377-200. And as you say “Post your true facts and all these crazy forums can finally be shut down.” You tear down yours and I will do the same! I have posted the true facts; you just refuse to believe them, deal?

Remember the Alamo! "This is not about land or money... but the one thing that no man should ever be able to take from another man: the freedom to make his own choices about his life, where he'll live, how he'll live, and how he'll raise his family." [Col. William Barrett Travis] And you diabolic people tried to take away my freedom, my life choices, my life, where and how I will live, take me away from my family, and impose your choices upon me all for nothing! It didn’t work then (and now) and it never will! I never did anything like this to you! You sinned willfully and had to be rejected by Yahweh and the AOY!

And speaking of OT Prophets and the comparison made by others concerning me, this I say for all of you; “Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matthew 25:41. The true prophet stands in the council of Yahweh – he stands in the presence of Yahweh’s word, hears this word and perceives His holy will. The true prophet listens to and obeys the Word of Yahweh; he lives by it, walks in it, and knows deep in his spirit/mind what is the truth. And such a one am I. And this is another reason you are always trying to destroy me. You are an agent, a tool of Satan the Devil, because if you weren’t, I would not be the focus, obsession, of your ill-conceived assailments. “By their fruits shall you know them.”

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Delusional Quest! -- Gary A McAvin, 14:53:55 06/14/11 Tue [1]
“Remember the word that I said unto you, A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you…” [John 15:20]

A prime example of delusional quests were posted recently on the “Assemblies of Yahweh - Victims of Abuse Support Group” Regarding the so-called rants against the Meyer family and I quote: “Since he continues of [to] rant against the Meyer family, the Meyer family will soon be putting up a whole website showing his criminal past including his arrests for drunkenness etc. He rants about my father being obese and therefore in his book a glutton...but he fails to mention his criminal past...so here it comes Gary a whole site just about you!”

For one thing I seriously doubt this is the Meyer family in the first place, Point #1.) I have never ranted about Elder Meyer being obese, many others have but, you won’t find me in that. Point #2.) There is no criminal past. Point #3.) If anything is posted against the Meyer family by me it would contain the true facts, not conjectures, not prevarications.

“The wicked plots against the righteous and gnashes his teeth at him, but Yahweh laughs at the wicked, for he sees that his day is coming.” [Psalm 37:12-13] The latest postings against me, as usual, are the results of a failed plot, theirs! The numbers posted, CP-06-0001377-200 mean absolutely nothing. This is a failed attempt to get me. These numbers, again CP-06-0001377-200, are only wishful thinking on the part of some people. What did your attempt accomplish? These numbers, again CP-06-0001377-200, are meaningless!

You state that all of this comes from someone or something “very close to you.” There is no one very close to me as I don’t allow it! The only being (s) close to me are Almighty Yahweh, and Yahshua the Messiah, as per Deuteronomy 6:5 “You shall love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.”

It is interesting what you point out about the administration (s) past and present. One of the former administrators told me that he frankly does not believe it (what you are accusing me of). This is the one that I mentioned in my last post. The one whose daughter committed fornication and I made it known to Elder Meyer. I’m sure by now; he has changed his mind and became a liar like the others on the abuse forum. He is one of the people that Yahweh hates. “There are six things which Yahweh hates; Yea, seven which are an abomination unto him…A false witness that utters lies, and he that sows discord among brethren. [Proverbs 6:16, 19] The false witness resides with the poster (s) of this latest attempt to do something…against me? And this former administrator sowed discord among the brethren while he was employed by the AOY. He really bad-mouthed Elder Meyer…all the time!

And who pray tell concocted these latest posts on the so-called abuse forum? Did you have kindergarten children cut & paste it in some word processing program? They are absolutely juvenile in structure and arrangement! And don’t forget those numbers, CP-06-0001377-200, a true exercise in futility and wishful thinking. “When one person makes an accusation, check to be sure he himself is not the guilty one. Sometimes it is those whose case is weak who make the most clamors.” [Piers Anthony] And this is most certainly applicable to you as your postings/rants against me are the most clamorous.

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Seeking Revenge! -- Gary & Carol McAvin, 16:13:45 06/13/11 Mon [1]
"He who seeks revenge should remember to dig two graves." - Chinese proverb

It has been the purpose of certain sullied individuals to exact revenge upon Carol and me for quite some time. However, to date, this has failed. What is the purpose of this continued attack? Perhaps they think it will in some way work to bring us down and destroy us, their penultimate goal. By reading the posts against us, one can discern low level intelligence in their vernacular. Which places them literally in the unintelligent being category. Unintelligent people always look for a scapegoat or target for their failures. They need someone to ventilate their animosities on, so someone of their choosing, perhaps based on some perceived slight, becomes their target, in this case it is Gary and Carol McAvin.

What have they accomplished so far? Nothing as we are still here and still doing the same things, only better since they left, or perhaps better put, were driven out by Yahweh! And how is it they left, and why? The simple answer is; they had sin in their lives, unrepentant sin! They sinned willfully after they became members of the Assemblies of Yahweh! “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries. [Hebrews 10:26-27] Not my words, but Yahweh’s! Sinners always assail the righteous people of Yahweh as can be seen in the Biblical chronicles of the world starting with Cain killing Abel. Has anything changed?

The locus of the orchestrated events which they have now become obsessed on, is found in their subsequent dismissal from the Assemblies of Yahweh (AOY). “But the unfaithful heirs of that kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside; in that place there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth." [Matthew 8:12] The ones cast out of the AOY because of their sins, now attack the remaining faithful members, focusing on Carol and I in particular! The events orchestrated against me were conceived around ten years (or more) ago. It was among my duties, whether you believe it or not, to find the sins/sinners in the Assemblies of Yahweh. Now if this is not the case, where are those who sinned and were sinning during the past thirty years plus? They are gone! Not because of Carol or me, it was because of their sin! So, what effect did Gary McAvin have overall? Plenty it seems!

I remember one individual in particular. This person really liked me until I took the fornication incident (s) of his daughter to Elder Meyer. Then his countenance changed against me, and subsequently this individual immediately plotted to get even with me for revealing his daughter’s transgression! Talk about a complete transition from being fond of someone (me) to hating them (again me) in short order! Has anything changed? “Yet, Yahweh, you know all their counsel against me to slay me; forgive not their iniquity, neither blot out their sin from your sight; but let them be overthrown before you; deal with them in the time of your anger.” [Jeremiah 18:23] I believe that the end game against me points toward assassination, and their writings/aka ranting, are indicative of this objective. I have already received death threats! They can’t get me no matter what they post, whether that is false allegations or posting inconsequential useless numbers. This means nothing! I am still standing, I am still functioning in my position, and I am still here, while you are not! Nothing that you have planned against me has worked so far! What’s next?

I leave you for now with this final thought! “No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of Yahweh, and their righteousness which is of me, says Yahweh.” [Isaiah 54:17]

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COMPLETE FABRICATIONS! -- Gary & Carol McAvin, 21:24:21 06/10/11 Fri [1]
THE POSTS ON THE SO-CALLED ASSEMBLIES OF YAHWEH-VICTIMS OF ABUSE SUPPORT SUPPORT GROUP A SUPPORT GROUP FOR SURVIVORS BY T. CARDENAS AND OTHERS ARE COMPLETE FABRICATIONS OF THE TRUE FACTS!!!! NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS DO NOT BELIEVE HIM AS HE IS AN AGENT FOR SATAN THE DEVIL AND HE WILL LIE JUST LIKE HIM!!! IF YOU WANT THE REAL TRUTH YOU CAN CONTACT US AND WE WILL GIVE YOU THE FACTS!!!

THE WRITINGS OF T. CARDENAS ET AL, ARE SO CONVOLUTED AND REMOVED FROM REALITY ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE BRAIN DEAD OR DAMAGED TO BELIEVE THEM. CHECK THE TIMELINE OF THE EVENTS AGAINST CAROL AND ME AND YOU WILL HAVE YOUR ANSWERS. THE CORRELATION OF THESE EVENTS COINCIDES WITH THE ASSEMBLIES OF YAHWEH DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AGAINST THEM, AND THEN WITH US SOMEHOW RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR MESS!!! AND FOR THE RECORD T. CARDENAS, ELDER MEYER DID NOT LIKE YOU OR FRED...DON'T PRETEND THAT YOU, FRED, AND HIM WERE BFF, AND YOU WERE BOTH PRIVY TO AN ANTI-CAROL MCAVIN MOMENT BY ELDER MEYER DISSING HER. WHAT KIND OF PASTOR WOULD CONFIDE IN THE LIKES OF YOU TWO AND RUN DOWN A MEMBER? ARE YOU SAYING THAT ELDER MEYER WOULD STOOP TO YOUR LEVEL? LET'S HOPE THE LOW LEVEL READERS OF THIS FORUM HAVE ENOUGH SENSE TO DISCERN THE TRUTH!!!

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Envy Brings Hatred and False Accusations! -- Gary A McAvin, 15:53:02 06/06/11 Mon [1]
“Wrath is cruel, and anger is overwhelming; but who is able to stand before envy?” [Proverbs 27:4]

A major problem with a good many people is to desire to have something that is possessed by another. They envy someone’s wife, their house, their car, something/anything that they don’t have but are too lazy to work for and obtain. “For vexation kills the fool and envy slays the simple one.” [Job 5:2]

It has become apparent that Carol and I are seriously envied by many people, including but not limited to members of the Assemblies of Yahweh current and past. We both work hard for our money and we spend little money on foolishness. Therefore we are considered fiscally responsible individuals. We purchase good products including cars, motorcycles, and other items that we deem necessary for our personal use. This however, has created problems among some who are just too lazy to do the same. We have found that many members (current and past) are wasteful and irresponsible with their finances. They spend their resources on junk and items that do not last.

One of the major problems the Assemblies of Yahweh has faced, and still do, is gross obesity! Many members, quasi, spend a large portion of their resources on food! “For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the torture stake of the Messiah: whose end is perdition, whose elohim is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.” [Philippines 3:18-19] “For such persons do not serve our Master the Messiah, but their own appetites.” [Romans 16:17] And because of these passages, personal experience with these types, I can truthfully say, food is the most important thing to them next to sex.

Now, to point! If these envious people were to cut their food budget in half, they could own a new or perhaps better car. They wouldn’t have to KBB someone else’s vehicles and fill themselves with envy because they too could have better units of travel as well. However, you can hardly separate a glutton from their food, so it is probably a waste of time to even suggest it. But, this is only one of many problems that come with envious individuals. Let’s remember the story of Joseph, a type of suffering Messiah.

“Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his brothers, since he was born to him in his old age, so he had made a richly-embroidered tunic for him. When Joseph's brothers realized that their father loved him more than all of his brothers, they hated him so much that they were unable to speak politely to him.” [Genesis 37:3-4] This begins the time of trouble for Joseph, an individual who would suffer many things and be accused of things that he did not do! Carol and I feel and believe that Almighty Yahweh has given us great gifts and abilities. All glory to His Name! But, along with these blessings we also have found ourselves in the same predicament as did Joseph, Yahshua and others who were gifted for His honor and glory. People envy and hate you for them. Why don’t they take this matter up with Almighty Yahweh who gives these gifts, challenge Him, and call Him on it!

One of the major vilifiers on the Voy Forum has posted serious untruths concerning us. If you knew us personally, and this person does not, you would know that we would never do the things we are being accused of. However, members of the Assemblies present and past would rather read the Voy Forum than their Bibles. Paul says it best concerning these types of people. “They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, and viciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, Elohim-haters, haughty, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to their parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, and ruthless.” [Romans 1:29-31]

Because, anyone reading, believing, and living the Bible, would never do these evil things, nor would they accuse others of doing them. However, you cannot answer them because it only causes more vitriol and capitalized hostility. Psychologically, these people are seriously damaged! They have the mind of Satan, not the mind of Yahshua! Regardless, accusations come from only one source, Satan! And this scripture testifies to that fact: “Even the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil and fought over the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him. Instead, he said, "May Yahweh rebuke you!" [Judah 1:9] Michael did not accuse or bring a railing accusation as do those on the Assemblies of Yahweh Abuse Voy Forum do! So, one can simply discern the difference between those who accuse and those who are accused.

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Playing to the Crowd; Although Limited in Quantity and Intelligence! -- Gary A McAvin, 16:00:27 05/24/11 Tue [1]
When one believes they are writing and making points to anyone that they think is hearing or reading their harangue, they tend to make it more grandiose than it really is. Such is the case for the Assemblies of Yahweh Abuse forum on Voy. This is in all reality not an abuse forum wherein the complainer has a legitimate leg to stand on but, this is a bashing forum where anything goes and no accusations are checked for veracity. In this say anything you want world people are no longer compelled to tell the truth. So, they say and do whatever they please as long as it satisfies their need for vengeance, revenge, or ego satiation! “For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay." And again, "Yahweh will judge his people." [Hebrews 10:30] And this scripture matters not as they take vengeance into their own hands for the mildest of slights, they are (so they think) sort of verbal vigilantes. IALMAO on that as linguistics is not one of their stronger endowments!

The problem can be found in the narcissistic personalities posting these bashing missives. It’s all about them and their perceived slights, rebuffs, for their own sinful ways. They sin and the good people feel the brunt of it just as did Yahshua for the sins of the world. They (the narcissist) must be justified by and with any possible manner or device. Narcissists can be very dangerous people and they will do anything to accomplish their goal, even murder! Narcissists when faced with criticism or limits (boundaries such as legal) are very apt to turn nasty and become extremely defensive. Believe me I know about these types as I have worked for them during my life and, they are not pleasant people when they can’t have their way!

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is an extensive pattern of distorted regard for self and others. They view themselves as special and superior with their self serving and a grandiose thought pattern that centers/focuses on them as the key point of their surroundings. And when others fail to validate their special status (so they think) they become angry and extremely defensive. These are the shouters and bullies! And they will intimidate and abuse those around them specifically browbeating them into submission…to them! The diagnosis for NPD is as follows: (Taken from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Third edition. (DSM-3) The official diagnostic manual used by mental health professionals.)

Diagnostic criteria for 301.81, Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior) hypersensitivity to the evaluation of others, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following:

(1) Reacts to criticism with feelings of rage, shame, or humiliation (even if not expressed)

(2) Is interpersonally exploitive: takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.

(3) Has a grandiose sense of self-importance, e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, and expects to be noticed as "special" without appropriate achievement

(4) Believes that his or her problems are unique and can be understood only by other special people.

(5) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, beauty, or ideal love.

(6) Has a sense of entitlement: unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment, e.g., assumes that he or she does not have to wait in line when others must do so

(7) Requires constant attention and admiration, e.g., keeps fishing for compliments.

(8) Lack of empathy: inability to recognize and experience how others feel, e.g., annoyance and surprise when a friend who is seriously ill cancels a date.

(9) Is preoccupied with feelings of envy.

Borderline, Histrionic, and Antisocial Personality Disorders are often also present in narcissistic (NPD) individuals. I can tell you for certain that the writings on this so-called Assemblies of Yahweh abuse forum fall right into this category and diagnosis. These people should be seeking professional help and not soliciting the opinions and help from like-minded and mentally damaged people on this board and those who read (AOY members, et al, past and present) and believe these self-serving diatribes. They seek to vilify others but they exonerate themselves. One should do as it’s ofttimes spoken in literate circles; -“Nosce te ipsum” Know thyself!

“And since you know you cannot see yourself, so well as by reflection, I, your glass, will modestly discover to yourself, that of yourself which you yet know not of.” [William Shakespeare] Thus it would behoove these semi-literate individuals to cease and desist from making worse fools of themselves than they have already by finding another form of amusement. “The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, but the mouth of fools pours out foolishness.” [Proverbs 15:2]

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A Recapitulation, as it Were! -- Gary A McAvin, 21:26:44 05/17/11 Tue [1]
"See, I have made the iron-worker, blowing on the burning coals, and making the instrument of war by his work; and I have made the waster for destruction. No instrument of war which is formed against you will be of any use; and every tongue which says evil against you will be judged false. This is the heritage of the servants of Yahweh, and their righteousness comes from me, says Yahweh." [Isaiah 54:16-17] To believe that everyone who confesses and professes the name of Yahweh is on the same page as Yahweh and Yahshua is erroneous. From the beginning Carol and I have found that people are self-centered and basically narcissistic by their own choosing.

From our initial arrival at Bethel to the current date, the results have been continuously the same, failure on the part of many (perhaps even most) participants. Individuals that started their quest for salvation have fallen by the wayside because of their sinful nature. Hearing and believing false doctrines and reports, these individuals have fallen victim to Satan’s deceitful postulations. For example; the Bullinger (Dr. E. W. Bullinger’s Companion Bible) take on Genesis 6:2. Bullinger believed that the sons of Elohim were angels that mated (sexually) with the human daughters of men. This doctrine was promulgated around Bethel, and other places, despite the fact that Elder J. O. Meyer said it was a false teaching. Yahshua answered this concerning the resurrection and whose wife would belong to which man, hypothetically, she married prior to her death on earth. Matthew 22:29 “But Yahshua answered and said to them, you do err, not knowing the scriptures, or the power of Yahweh. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.” Angels have no reproductive capabilities is the understanding here!

Needless to say that when a false doctrine is refuted or one is corrected for sin there will be a backlash from unconverted people. And this was the case when I defended Elder Meyer on this false doctrine. The false teaching that was being circulated was in contrast to the teaching and explanation of Elder Meyer on said subject. For me to defend Elder Meyer started a war of long duration that continues to this day. For reasons that can be determined from scripture, Satan and his minion apostate angels have tried to assail and destroy Yahweh’s people from day one of the creation of man. See Genesis chapters 3 and 4 for the effort made by this sinful being. Once Satan enters a human agent/being they are henceforth doomed. As one can determine, Cain allowed Satan to remain within him and he was ultimately destroyed and there will be no possible way that he will have an opportunity for eternal life.

Did the confrontation by Yahweh Elohim change Cain’s mind? Did Cain repent of his sins? No to both questions! It takes a lot to change a person’s mind or, to even effect any change in the average human being, notwithstanding. Once Satan gains a foothold into a person’s life, he maintains control barring any intervention by Yahweh himself! After decades of addressing these behavioral typologies, one gets tired. What did the writing and preaching accomplish? Did people convert, permanently? No, it seems that their conversion was only superficial! Yahshua faced similar difficulties during his ministry. He preached, rebuked, healed the sick, and did miracles never before seen by the human race, but, did the people believe, did they truly convert? Very few converted as the direct result of his personal visit here on earth!

An interesting passage can be found in Luke 23:8-10 “Now Herod was very glad to see Yahshua, because he had wanted to see him for a long time on account of what he had heard about him. He was also hoping to see some sign done by him. So he continued to question him for a long time, but Yahshua gave him no answer at all. Meanwhile, the high priests and the scribes stood nearby and continued to accuse him vehemently. Why didn’t Yahshua answer the accusations leveled against him? Why did he not defend his innocence? Why did he remain silent? Apparently Yahshua saw this realistically, and knew that no matter what he said, they would not believe him anyway. 1Peter 2:22 “Who did not sin, nor was guile [lies] found in His mouth;" [See Isa. 53:9]. Would his testimony make any difference at this juncture in time? Obviously not! When Satan enters into the person’s mind, in this case the minds of those wanting him dead, there is nothing that can be said to change their/these minds.

And such is the case that we have found while being associated with various and sundry clientele during our sojourn here on earth. Accusations of every type have come our way. What can we do about it? Not much, because, as they lied about Naboth, 1 Kings 21 Yahshua, Matthew 26:59 “And the chief priests and the elders and the whole Sanhedrin looked for false testimony against Yahshua, so that they might put Him to death,” and many others like them who stood for truth, they will lie about us. Romans 8:33 “Who will bring any charge against Yahweh's elect? Yahweh is the one justifying!” No one can do this period. It didn’t work then and it will not work now! Although accusations are brought, they are refuted by Yahweh, for example and for instance; Zechariah 3:1-2 “And He showed me Yahshua the high priest standing before the Angel of Yahweh, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. And Yahweh said to Satan, May Yahweh rebuke you, Satan!” And to this, we agree wholeheartedly! Ita sit!

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Speaking Tuth to Satan's People! -- Gary A McAvin, 11:48:25 04/29/11 Fri [1]
Speaking Tuth to Satan's People! -- Gary A McAvin,

Tony et al, why are you so filled with hate against Carol and me? After reading your latest postings, this is what comes to mind. Revelation 12:10 "And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our Elohim, and the authority of His Messiah, because the accuser of our brothers is thrown down, the one accusing them before our Elohim day and night." Everything that you have written to us and about us are accusations. There is only one being in my life that has ever been this angry with me other than you, and that is Satan, Heylel. The last time I saw you I knew that Satan was with you and in you. And believe me when I say that because I can sense his presence whenever he is near. Carol and I have told you the truth, yet you refuse to hear it or believe it! We have answered your questions, yet you insinuate that we haven't. Your posts exhibit what can be determined as a homicidal rage! Anger is a killing thing: it kills the man who angers, for each rage leaves him less than he had been before, it takes something from him. Tony, you have murder in your heart, and that can be seen in this scripture that parallels and indicts you. John 8:44-45 " You are of the Devil he is your father, and the lusts of your father you desire to do. That one was a murderer from the beginning, and he has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own, because he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me." A liar and a murderer (character assassination) you are because of what you have written, and how you have written your responses to us. Tony, you are a bona fide hellspawn!

From the onset of your (and your mother's) attacks against us seeking revenge for whatever reason, you have exhibited the same attributes as Satan and another individual who set the standard for crime and criminal activity, Cain! All of your responses/letters contain so much anger within them. Consider this passage: "Gen 4:6 And Yahweh said unto Cain, Why are you so angry? And why is your countenance fallen? Why was Cain so angry, it is because Satan entered into him. 1John 3:12 "Don't be like Cain, who belonged to the devil and murdered his own brother. Why did he murder him? He did it because his brother was good, and he was evil." Over the years many people commented on me being like the prophets of old because of what has happened to me and the accusations being constantly leveled against me. I have always downplayed this because I didn't want to place myself into that category. However, now I am beginning to believe what they have said because of the events over the years. It seems that you, et al, have no room for the truth when it is told to you.

What was your tipping point Tony, what was the trigger that set you off against us? Was it over the feast that your mother was not allowed to attend? Tony, you have no humility within you at all. And, this is one of the reasons that I refer to you as "Saint Tony." You never do any wrong, so you think, and your mother is the same way. Matthew 7:3-4 "Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when the beam is in your own eye?" You and Carmen seemingly can spot or find fault with everyone but yourselves. Your posts are nothing but accusations, why were you ever with the Assemblies of Yahweh in the first place? It seems that all you were doing is looking for fault (s) in others yet, not taking control of your own lives.

Actually, I didn't lose any control or composure in my latest writing. Sometimes emphasis has to be placed within a writing or perhaps, as you say, pounding from the pulpit. Sometimes it is necessary to place emphasis on some things and use word constructions to make the reader think and react! You just don't get it Tony so, that is why I had to take it slow with you. You cannot take any answer that goes against what you have preconceived as the truth in your mind. The same can be said of individuals in Yahshua's time. He told them the truth but, they refused to believe it, as do you! Carol has answered you and so have I, there was no plea bargaining period! But, that's not what you want to hear so, believe what you will. Information's that we have posted came from direct knowledge or reliable sources. No one including you, your mother, the family members knew or know what was ever said or arranged between Elder Meyer and myself. That is off the table henceforth because, he can no longer answer for himself personally. And yes, he was very discouraged when he found out about the sins of the brotherhood and in his immediate family, I could elucidate, but won't for now. He is dead, he kept records of all of this either in his mind or on paper. (And he made them known to me among others, as did I to him) And if people were not sinning why would they leave the Assemblies of Yahweh? Or why were they disfellowshipped? "Put away the wicked man from among yourselves." 1Corinthians 5:13 and, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which you learned: and turn away from them." Romans 16:17

And for the record my boy, my father didn't abandon me, my mother divorced him because of his adultery and she never married another. She remained alone (she never knew another man) supporting her children, she never abandoned us, ever! So, there are no issues on that, but what do I know, I was only there and got the information first-hand. But you probably won't believe this either because it doesn't fit your schema of things. I am wondering how long will it be before you accuse me of having sex with your mother? Preposterous? Well, the accusations that you have made, and still are making, are just as preposterous! Why do you and others find it so hard to believe that we would raise our children biblically? Why do you (and others) find it so hard to believe that we sent three of our daughters to the altar in white. While the other one just had to flee or move, or whatever, to Texas? Would you believe the pressure was on because of her salacious activities, not mine, not Carols? Believe what you want, you have been told the truth...again! But again, we were there, what do we know?

Why do people like you have problems with what I have just mentioned? Because, you/they are defiled. You and the others assisting you in this foolishness have defiled yourselves with women (girls) and men (and boys) or, both, and among yourselves you have diddled your own, now that is some sick crap! And I have proof of this! And I don't know why you are obsessed with your continued accusation concerning a DWI. There is no DWI and people keep saying this, why? Don't answer this as I have heard this accusation for the umpteenth time already. And Tony, you are really stretching it with this racist thing. I am not a racist and I wasn't raised to be one. I have heard this many times before but, only from disgruntled racist members! My mother's very best friends were a black lady, a Indian lady, a Mexican lady and one Caucasian lady. But, what do I know, I only knew my mother and her friends! Of all the people I have known in my life, you are the worst one! I have never known anyone more evil than you! But, again what do I know, you are only reacting to the dictates of Satan, your real Father!

However, better people than I have been falsely accused during the course of human history. From the beginning Satan has formulated a plan to accuse and discredit Yahweh's people. I am now taking seriously what real members, real people, are saying about me concerning being like the prophets of old. I expect it, so take your best shot!

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Speaking Tuth to Satan's People! -- Gary A McAvin, 02:03:47 04/07/11 Thu [1]
Tony et al, why are you so filled with hate against Carol and me? After reading your latest postings, this is what comes to mind. Revelation 12:10 "And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our Elohim, and the authority of His Messiah, because the accuser of our brothers is thrown down, the one accusing them before our Elohim day and night." Everything that you have written to us and about us are accusations. There is only one being in my life that has ever been this angry with me other than you, and that is Satan, Heylel. The last time I saw you I knew that Satan was with you and in you. And believe me when I say that because I can sense his presence whenever he is near. Carol and I have told you the truth, yet you refuse to hear it or believe it! We have answered your questions, yet you insinuate that we haven't. Your posts exhibit what can be determined as a homicidal rage! Anger is a killing thing: it kills the man who angers, for each rage leaves him less than he had been before, it takes something from him. Tony, you have murder in your heart, and that can be seen in this scripture that parallels and indicts you. John 8:44-45 " You are of the Devil he is your father, and the lusts of your father you desire to do. That one was a murderer from the beginning, and he has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own, because he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me." A liar and a murderer (character assassination) you are because of what you have written, and how you have written your responses to us. Tony, you are a bona fide hellspawn!

From the onset of your (and your mother's) attacks against us seeking revenge for whatever reason, you have exhibited the same attributes as Satan and another individual who set the standard for crime and criminal activity, Cain! All of your responses/letters contain so much anger within them. Consider this passage: "Gen 4:6 And Yahweh said unto Cain, Why are you so angry? And why is your countenance fallen? Why was Cain so angry, it is because Satan entered into him. 1John 3:12 "Don't be like Cain, who belonged to the devil and murdered his own brother. Why did he murder him? He did it because his brother was good, and he was evil." Over the years many people commented on me being like the prophets of old because of what has happened to me and the accusations being constantly leveled against me. I have always downplayed this because I didn't want to place myself into that category. However, now I am beginning to believe what they have said because of the events over the years. It seems that you, et al, have no room for the truth when it is told to you.

What was your tipping point Tony, what was the trigger that set you off against us? Was it over the feast that your mother was not allowed to attend? Tony, you have no humility within you at all. And, this is one of the reasons that I refer to you as "Saint Tony." You never do any wrong, so you think, and your mother is the same way. Matthew 7:3-4 "Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when the beam is in your own eye?" You and Carmen seemingly can spot or find fault with everyone but yourselves. Your posts are nothing but accusations, why were you ever with the Assemblies of Yahweh in the first place? It seems that all you were doing is looking for fault (s) in others yet, not taking control of your own lives.

Actually, I didn't lose any control or composure in my latest writing. Sometimes emphasis has to be placed within a writing or perhaps, as you say, pounding from the pulpit. Sometimes it is necessary to place emphasis on some things and use word constructions to make the reader think and react! You just don't get it Tony so, that is why I had to take it slow with you. You cannot take any answer that goes against what you have preconceived as the truth in your mind. The same can be said of individuals in Yahshua's time. He told them the truth but, they refused to believe it, as do you! Carol has answered you and so have I, there was no plea bargaining period! But, that's not what you want to hear so, believe what you will. Information's that we have posted came from direct knowledge or reliable sources. No one including you, your mother, the family members knew or know what was ever said or arranged between Elder Meyer and myself. That is off the table henceforth because, he can no longer answer for himself personally. And yes, he was very discouraged when he found out about the sins of the brotherhood and in his immediate family, I could elucidate, but won't for now. He is dead, he kept records of all of this either in his mind or on paper. (And he made them known to me among others, as did I to him) And if people were not sinning why would they leave the Assemblies of Yahweh? Or why were they disfellowshipped? "Put away the wicked man from among yourselves." 1Corinthians 5:13 and, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which you learned: and turn away from them." Romans 16:17

And for the record my boy, my father didn't abandon me, my mother divorced him because of his adultery and she never married another. She remained alone (she never knew another man) supporting her children, she never abandoned us, ever! So, there are no issues on that, but what do I know, I was only there and got the information first-hand. But you probably won't believe this either because it doesn't fit your schema of things. I am wondering how long will it be before you accuse me of having sex with your mother? Preposterous? Well, the accusations that you have made, and still are making, are just as preposterous! Why do you and others find it so hard to believe that we would raise our children biblically? Why do you (and others) find it so hard to believe that we sent three of our daughters to the altar in white. While the other one just had to flee or move, or whatever, to Texas? Would you believe the pressure was on because of her salacious activities, not mine, not Carols? Believe what you want, you have been told the truth...again! But again, we were there, what do we know?

Why do people like you have problems with what I have just mentioned? Because, you/they are defiled. You and the others assisting you in this foolishness have defiled yourselves with women (girls) and men (and boys) or, both, and among yourselves you have diddled your own, now that is some sick crap! And I have proof of this! And I don't know why you are obsessed with your continued accusation concerning a DWI. There is no DWI and people keep saying this, why? Don't answer this as I have heard this accusation for the umpteenth time already. And Tony, you are really stretching it with this racist thing. I am not a racist and I wasn't raised to be one. I have heard this many times before but, only from disgruntled racist members! My mother's very best friends were a black lady, a Indian lady, a Mexican lady and one Caucasian lady. But, what do I know, I only knew my mother and her friends! Of all the people I have known in my life, you are the worst one! I have never known anyone more evil than you! But, again what do I know, you are only reacting to the dictates of Satan, your real Father!

However, better people than I have been falsely accused during the course of human history. From the beginning Satan has formulated a plan to accuse and discredit Yahweh's people. I am now taking seriously what real members, real people, are saying about me concerning being like the prophets of old. I expect it, so take your best shot!

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