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Subject: Voice of reason Author: Bearhawke in Az [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 20:14:01 12/12/02 Thu In reply to: Chris 's message, "You guys dont have a CLUE as to what the difference between GROSS to NET horsepower is, never mind what the difference between how your shit dont stink, next to mine! never the less I have the balls to post my name beside my post!" on 19:37:54 12/12/02 Thu I have been doing some thinking while watching this thread unwind and here are my observations: Being that a stone stock 1977 Dodge Monaco 440 with 2:76 or so gears was capable of 16.3 seconds in the quarter mile--------stock; I see no reason that a very mildly built 1973-78 big Ford/Mercury 460 V8 is incapable of the low 15/high 14 second bracket in the 1/4. Think about it; folks......... Monaco: 4,400 lbs curb weight; big Ford: 4,700 lbs Monaco: 440 CID V8; Ford: 460 V8, both ca. 8:1 CR In essence; the foundations for both vehicles are about the same....vehicle weight/engine displacement ratio........about 10 lbs per cubic inch. Face it: if someone were to delete the catalysts on the MoPar, run 2.5" pipe to a pair of high flow mufflers with full 2.25" tailpipes, swap in a MoPar Performance electronic ignition in lieu of the ELB crap, and install a speadbore carburetor jetted accordingly...........assuming that the running gear was in A1 condition........low 15's at the VERY LEAST would be the result. Two things that were overlooked were: #1: torque, NOT horsepower moves 2 ton+ vehicles on the street and #2: running 44 PSI radial tires significantly decreases rolling resistance hence less parasitic losses. Many years ago I tuned up an otherwise box stock 1977 Ford F250 van with the 460 motor fitted with dual exhausts and a low restriction air filter..........well, I floored that puppy and it threw back its head and stormed forward.....needless to say, I back down very quickly lol. If memory holds me correctly.........that van probably had 3:31 or so gears.........turning taller than P235/70R15 tires.......giving the illusion of a 3:00 or so rear end. Bearhawke in Az [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date Now let's talk about his car BONE stock, no "lil mods" such as exhausts, ignition, K & N filter, spreadbore carb, or the like! Compare it to a car that weighs & 700 POUNDS LESS!!!!!! and has much more horsepower, which corellates with torque, 11.3:1 compression, SEVERELLY UNDER-RATED by Ford at 370 HP in 1971 as ALL the Mfrs were doing dyno'd at 425 HP. 1/4 mile, 0-60MPH, 0-100, top end, what's say? That's great, Bearhawke! Is that really your name? 20:39:20 12/12/02 Thu Make sure you use your Blue light though... -- Captain Lightning, 20:51:09 12/12/02 Thu I'm terribly soory that I don't meet with your HIGH standards! I mean, those '73 - '78 Fords and MoPars wrere scrfeamers, they have to be, because I'm saying they're not, isn't that the deal, BEAR Hawke? "ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL " is the "key" ....and it's NOT! (NT) -- Well, la, de , da, Mr. high fallutin', rootin', tootin', 08:11:27 12/13/02 Fri almost 700 lbs of weight more, both of you idiots seem to bed avoiding that issue! And 3.5 points in Compr4ession, coupled with the CJ/SCJ head design, a better GM Quadra-Jet spreadbore carburetor, higher octane fuel, more efficient exhausts and NO emmissions, never mind the real difference of about 140-150 HP AT THE REAR WHEELS, ( . ) will amount to a hell of a lot more than one (1) SEC. IN THE 1/4, 0-60mph, OR ANYWAY you may want to slice the cake! (NT) -- Well, la, de , da, Mr. high fallutin', rootin', tootin', 08:18:35 12/13/02 Fri I didn't think that taking sides for the sake of taking sides, or to remain popular with all of your "friends" here was your style, Bearhawke. And, I know your real name, where you work and live in AZ, what you do, what your wife does, etc. We've conversed many times via email As I too have your email address.I just can't believe that you're so UN-knowledgable on the subject of the 429 CJ P.I. car vs. the de-compressed, under-powered boats mfr'd from '73-'78. I ought to go out to AZ and do a torque stand, and hole shot in your garage bay, and I'll SHOW you ONE SECOND! (NT) -- Well, la, de , da, Mr. high fallutin', rootin', tootin', 08:27:38 12/13/02 Fri OI dijn't know you talk ONLY with REAL COPS!!!!! Is that like, I was never good enough to be one, just to fix their cars, but if I hang out with them and agree with them on even the absurd, I'll feel like one of them and they'll "accept" ma as one of them. Sounds like a PROBLEM! I never liked guys like you, who hang off the trials, tribulations, and accomplishments of others. Can you say psychologically unbalanced and emotionally malnourished in your own right? (NT) -- Well, la, de , da, Mr. high fallutin', rootin', tootin', 08:33:51 12/13/02 Fri Holy brake stand Batman Billy, you obviously arn't running on 8 cyl's never mind 4! LOOOOSER -- Chris, 17:20:40 12/13/02 Fri it's a matter of fact! And don't forget about that extras 700 lbs that your lugging a round,....." A lil faster"......bring it on asshole, with that super-duper P.I. car, but son't forget the title to it and your bus ticket back home! (NT) -- I don't think I am, ( . ), 10:42:40 12/14/02 Sat I stand by my previous post concerning ca. 1973-78 Fords and MoPars, not 1971 429 SCJ cars..........and, BTW: even the 2-3 point loss in compression cost less tha one second in the 1/4: all things otherwise equal. :) ps. what kind of fool would I be to post my real name here? Those posters who ARE real cops here; some of them DO have my real name/e mail address...........end of discussion (NT) -- Bearhawke in Az, 21:03:56 12/12/02 Thu Go Bearhawke!! -- Mr. Meek and Mild, 21:12:49 12/12/02 Thu TORQUE moves the car NOT horsepower! and the 460 has gobs of torque at a LOWER rpm! (NT) -- Torque man, 21:52:57 12/12/02 Thu z rated police radials.. My car still has the FACTORY COP tires on it! and it runs 15's THANX -- Chris, 21:55:39 12/12/02 Thu So do you guys use air or other gases in your tires? (NT) -- Mr. Amoco, 22:07:21 12/12/02 Thu funny you should ask.. if i remember correctly my tire pressure is 44 psi... and I run close to 30 on cruise night, this gets me off the line better! and then I can take MOST camaro's.. NOT ALL but most! Mustangs arent a problem. (NT) -- Chris, 22:14:08 12/12/02 Thu right,..originally cop tires! From 1978? Well, isn't that remarkable, no dry rot up in Canada, huh? Bias ply, real reliable, great handlers too, as I recall! What planet are yopu from,......( . )??????? (NT) -- dream on little Canadian dreamer,......dream on!, 08:38:48 12/13/02 Fri How could you say that.. you,ve never even seen my car, lil did you know that it sat for 12 years drove for a couple then sat for another 8! YES original equipement still on there.. all i ever changed was the fuel pump and water pump! (NT) -- Chris, 17:22:46 12/13/02 Fri Lying dogs -- ~~\*/~~, 17:41:54 12/13/02 Fri has original tires that the rc's put on there! Back in the late 70's (NT) -- Billy Parks defamation league (member #1) Chris, 17:55:50 12/13/02 Fri Hey Bearhawke.. just think about this.. from a cruise speed 35 mph's, then drop your gas foot to the floor, and hang on cause the rear tires WILL break loose, its an awesome feeling! and you should see the looks on other cruise night cruisers beside me LOL! (NT) Chris 22:07:25 12/12/02 Thu ...especially with those 1972 P.I heads, and that high rise, spreadbore Holley 1150 double pumper, HiPo ignition, headers, 3" pipes, flowmastersk, K &N, filter, High lift, hi-po cam, those 11.3:1 pistons, 3.91:1 Detroit lockers posi, .......all stock, right? I could get my little red wagon to do that too, if I put all of that shit on it!!!! (NT) -- Yeah, it must really rip roar......, 08:43:40 12/13/02 Fri