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Re: Disgrace -- Lennie, 10/10/15 5:36:47pm Sat
Wow! Scholarship athletes, new coaches, we are on our way. But wait, where are we going???
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Whaddya talking about? -- The Lone Haranguer, 10/10/15 5:55:21pm Sat
Melville was 25/42 for 318. Greenawalt was 5/92; Quazza was 7/88 and Third was 4/78. Over half of our plays were passing plays. We couldn't run on Princeton. That and our defense plays too soft in the secondary and we can't even tackle a problem effectively. Special teams has gone way downhill. Punting is the only bright spot.
Coming into this year I was optimistic. Our entire starting offense was back, special teams were on an impressive upswing and the defense, especially the secondary was promising. Scholarships aren't going to help if we keep recruiting the same type student/athlete as we did prior to scholarships since all we'd be changing is the terminology of the aid. Except for Fordham, the rest of the PL is as mediocre as we are, so doing well against them is no reason for optimism.
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Re: Disgrace -- The Future, 10/10/15 5:58:21pm Sat
The QB went 25 for 42 for 318 yards with a TD and made some really nice moves to gain extra yards running the ball.
Would imagine the team would have done just fine if everyone played as well as he did.
Add the missed chip shot FG's and the extra point (they would have kicked instead of chasing points) and the offense scores 27 points. That will win a lot of games.
Maddaluna and Greenawalt had 9 catches for 170 yards at the half. They would finish with those stats.
Russell played well. Got a lot of yards after he was hit.
Princeton is really smart how they quickly run the ball up the middle after a big play. Colgate missed so many tackles on these plays--almost like they were still idling as the ballcarrier came running towards them.
Princeton owned the line of scrimmage. Especially when passing the ball. QB had so much time. Even when Colgate brought extra guys.
Colgate seems to be rotating more guys on the DL. Freshman Fell was in there a bunch.
As for the kicking game, the last FG was a bad snap and then a bad hold. Kicker didn't have a chance with the ball on its side as he kicked it. Colgate is 2-8 on FG's this year with a long of 27. Half of the season is over. The team is undefeated in league play. Need the kickers to start thinking of it as if they are now playing the back nine. It's a whole new season. Lots of chances for kicking highlights to come.
When it comes to athletic scholarships, the Ivy League has had them for years. They have more athletic scholarships than any other schools in the country (they just call them something else because they are smart and image-conscious). The PL got played by them and now schools like Colgate are playing catch up.
Colgate was in this game in the 4th. Missed a kick short FG with 13 minutes left that would have put them down by a score--and they would have had momentum.
This is a game they could have won.
They can win the rest of the games they play and have a great season. They can also lose any of these games.
Hope these guys put it together and figure it out.
Go 'gate!
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Re: Disgrace -- Go...'gate, 10/10/15 6:37:14pm Sat
>The QB went 25 for 42 for 318 yards with a TD and made
>some really nice moves to gain extra yards running the
>ball.
>
>Would imagine the team would have done just fine if
>everyone played as well as he did.
>
>Add the missed chip shot FG's and the extra point
>(they would have kicked instead of chasing points) and
>the offense scores 27 points. That will win a lot of
>games.
>
>Maddaluna and Greenawalt had 9 catches for 170 yards
>at the half. They would finish with those stats.
>
>Russell played well. Got a lot of yards after he was
>hit.
>
>Princeton is really smart how they quickly run the
>ball up the middle after a big play. Colgate missed so
>many tackles on these plays--almost like they were
>still idling as the ballcarrier came running towards
>them.
>
>Princeton owned the line of scrimmage. Especially when
>passing the ball. QB had so much time. Even when
>Colgate brought extra guys.
>
>Colgate seems to be rotating more guys on the DL.
>Freshman Fell was in there a bunch.
>
>As for the kicking game, the last FG was a bad snap
>and then a bad hold. Kicker didn't have a chance with
>the ball on its side as he kicked it. Colgate is 2-8
>on FG's this year with a long of 27. Half of the
>season is over. The team is undefeated in league play.
>Need the kickers to start thinking of it as if they
>are now playing the back nine. It's a whole new
>season. Lots of chances for kicking highlights to come.
>
>When it comes to athletic scholarships, the Ivy League
>has had them for years. They have more athletic
>scholarships than any other schools in the country
>(they just call them something else because they are
>smart and image-conscious). The PL got played by them
>and now schools like Colgate are playing catch up.
>
>Colgate was in this game in the 4th. Missed a kick
>short FG with 13 minutes left that would have put them
>down by a score--and they would have had momentum.
>
>This is a game they could have won.
>
>They can win the rest of the games they play and have
>a great season. They can also lose any of these games.
>Hope these guys put it together and figure it out.
>
>Go 'gate!
I guess I saw a different game....
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Re: Disgrace -- Mini me, 10/10/15 6:22:56pm Sat
>This was really hard to watch. Hunt thinks the D line
>is the best he has seen in 20 years, huh? Even with
>injuries that is a stretch. Maybe it is time to give
>another QB a go. Colgate has a group of really good
>receivers. They are being wasted. This team is weak
>in several areas. I hope last year was not the start
>of several consecutive bad ones.
Who evaluates the football program?
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Re: Disgrace -- Howard, 10/14/15 6:26:46pm Wed
Hey Gate Raider! Its amazing what a football authority you think you are. I guess you haven't got the point that the majority of the people that read this forum are sick and tired of yours and the other negative posts on here. Your constant smearing of the character of the coaches and players is deplorable. I know the word Disgrace for a topic headline, wasn't ours, but that word should have no place on this board when talking about the Colgate Coaches and players. You and everybody else should ashamed!
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Re: Disgrace -- Howard, 10/14/15 12:55:03pm Wed
Please Gate Raider, tell me you aren't an alumnus! Because if you are, it's only by title. You are a phony! I've read about enough of your jibberish to last me a lifetime. Your outrageous quotes are sickening! Quote "Team doesn't have Spirit, aggressiveness, or determination, and that is on the coach". Let me ask....Are you in the locker room? Are you at practice? Are you in the trainers office? Are you at the community service events that the players and coaches attend? Are you there for cake on Wednesday nights after practice? oh wait a minute.... were you at Coach Hunt's house this summer when he hosted alumni football players for a reunion cookout? Probably not! Because you talk and criticize like you never played the game. If you did play, you forgot what the game is all about!
Quote "I want a coach the players respect and are afraid to disappoint". Once again, you show your ignorance! Quote "I don't think the coach should even try to be a buddy to the players". Stupid statement! Quote" I don't want a coach that is satisfied with competing! Another foolish statement. Now for your most asinine quote of them all...I want one that is driven to win"!
Now if you think for one moment that Coach Hunt and his entire staff aren't driven to win, you are more mentally challenged than I thought. In one of your other diatribes you also say Colgate needs to hire another chief recruiter. God help us all if you think you could do that job.
Until you can substantiate your meaningless thoughts, do us all a favor, and stop writing on this thread. Frankly, you don't know the first thing you are talking about. Please, oh please, Gate Raider...if and when you go to another Colgate football game, please just head to your car and don't shake hands with any players or coaches. Anyone who thinks and talks like you, doesn't deserve their time. They need to get to their families and friends who know what good people they all are and how hard they work.
Oh by the way, you seem to be a football brain, hoe would you block the "B" vs an eight man front?
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Way off base -- Maven, 10/10/15 9:39:02pm Sat
>>>While this game turned into a blowout and kicking
>>>ultimately wasn't the difference between winning and
>>>losing, how can we be so bad at simply kicking the
>>>ball in the air?
>>>
>>>Was Bowman not 1st team all-PL last year? Looks like
>>>we pulled him, with no success. Embarrassing doesn't
>>>even begin to cover it. It's like nothing I've ever
>>>seen before.
>>>
>>>Princeton was clearly the superior team today.
>>>
>>>On to the PL schedule. Beat Georgetown.
>>
>>
>>The best analysis of the game was by The Future and
>>the last Indian. Melville was fine. The online was
>>not good, but better than our Dline. Our lb's were
>>poor and our db's play too soft. Special teams strong
>>only in punt game. Our talent is ok, but execution on
>>defense is poor-especially tackling. Lb's invisible.
>>The team got beat up too! G'town passed at will vs
>>Lafayette so we sure have our work cut out for us next
>>week.
>Year #3 in schollies and please tell me...do we really
>see any tangible improvement in this program...I had
>my strong doubts when Hunt became coach and, although
>I still wish him success, these concerns are
>increasing...frankly, I think the entire coaching
>staff, in part because we won't pay assistant coaches
>decent bucks, is mediocre at best...this team looked
>lifeless today...they have now become what virtually
>every other Colgate sports team pursues: striving for
>mediocrity for we are embarrassed to give the
>impression we want to be good...look at the hockey
>team...$38Million to build a new rink while we issue 4
>(and not 4.5 scholarships) per year...what do we think
>will happen? "Oh Colgate I'm the next Bobby Orr and
>I'd like to play for you next year." Football will
>be around .500 because the Patriot League sucks;
>hockey will be .500 because we don't see the necessity
>of making A FULL EFFORT to compete; basketball will be
>.300 since nobody gives a shit anyway...business as
>usua
Green coat has had a few cocktails I fear and that has sent him into a frenzy.l
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Re: Way off base -- TheGreenCoat, 10/10/15 10:02:25pm Sat
>>>>While this game turned into a blowout and kicking
>>>>ultimately wasn't the difference between winning and
>>>>losing, how can we be so bad at simply kicking the
>>>>ball in the air?
>>>>
>>>>Was Bowman not 1st team all-PL last year? Looks like
>>>>we pulled him, with no success. Embarrassing doesn't
>>>>even begin to cover it. It's like nothing I've ever
>>>>seen before.
>>>>
>>>>Princeton was clearly the superior team today.
>>>>
>>>>On to the PL schedule. Beat Georgetown.
>>>
>>>
>>>The best analysis of the game was by The Future and
>>>the last Indian. Melville was fine. The online was
>>>not good, but better than our Dline. Our lb's were
>>>poor and our db's play too soft. Special teams
>strong
>>>only in punt game. Our talent is ok, but execution on
>>>defense is poor-especially tackling. Lb's invisible.
>>>The team got beat up too! G'town passed at will vs
>>>Lafayette so we sure have our work cut out for us
>next
>>>week.
>>Year #3 in schollies and please tell me...do we really
>>see any tangible improvement in this program...I had
>>my strong doubts when Hunt became coach and, although
>>I still wish him success, these concerns are
>>increasing...frankly, I think the entire coaching
>>staff, in part because we won't pay assistant coaches
>>decent bucks, is mediocre at best...this team looked
>>lifeless today...they have now become what virtually
>>every other Colgate sports team pursues: striving for
>>mediocrity for we are embarrassed to give the
>>impression we want to be good...look at the hockey
>>team...$38Million to build a new rink while we issue 4
>>(and not 4.5 scholarships) per year...what do we think
>>will happen? "Oh Colgate I'm the next Bobby Orr and
>>I'd like to play for you next year." Football will
>>be around .500 because the Patriot League sucks;
>>hockey will be .500 because we don't see the necessity
>>of making A FULL EFFORT to compete; basketball will be
>>.300 since nobody gives a shit anyway...business as
>>usua
>
>
>Green coat has had a few cocktails I fear and that has
>sent him into a frenzy.l
Indeed Maven, you're right and I give you credit...sadly, my comments still stand...honestly, do you really think we are committed to maximizing our success in football and hockey, especially the latter when we have 23 on the roster, even allowing for NHL defections...we recruit one great class (class of 2016), then add three very mediocre classes while forking out $38 million for a new facility...does that make sense? No recruiting in the USHL, virtually NONE while every other DI program has from 5-10 on their respective rosters...I feel for the Class of 2016; they deserved better and so do us, the die hard and generous fans of Gate hockey...
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Re: Way off base -- agatefan, 10/10/15 10:33:23pm Sat
I had my strong doubts when Hunt became coach
BIG mistake was made by not conducting a national search to replace biddle!!! surely a pool of very good candidates would have emerged. if after that hunt proved to be the best choice (i doubt it) then give it to him
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Re: Disgrace -- Gate Raider, 10/11/15 1:08:30am Sun
I didn't call out the 5'6" kid. He made the team and good for him. I hope he is a hell of a running back and excels. I watched his recruiting videos and he ran like hell but, I am not sure about the competition level he faced. There are some smaller players that have done well, however, you know that it is not common. What I said was that 5'7" and 5'6" recruits were not what I was expecting with scholarships. We'll see how he does in a game. I hope he plays this year as it looks like we could use him right now. I do think 5'7" DB's are at a significant disadvantage. Try being more objective in your game reviews. Listen to the post game comments by Hunt and the players. They sound more like they played well than bad. The team needs a wake up call. Maybe that is the attitude that develops when you start the year with games that are such a stretch. Don't think that builds confidence or a winning mind set.
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Re: Disgrace -- Maven, 10/11/15 10:03:08am Sun
>I didn't call out the 5'6" kid. He made the team and
>good for him. I hope he is a hell of a running back
>and excels. I watched his recruiting videos and he
>ran like hell but, I am not sure about the competition
>level he faced. There are some smaller players that
>have done well, however, you know that it is not
>common. What I said was that 5'7" and 5'6" recruits
>were not what I was expecting with scholarships.
>We'll see how he does in a game. I hope he plays this
>year as it looks like we could use him right now. I
>do think 5'7" DB's are at a significant disadvantage.
>Try being more objective in your game reviews. Listen
>to the post game comments by Hunt and the players.
>They sound more like they played well than bad. The
>team needs a wake up call. Maybe that is the attitude
>that develops when you start the year with games that
>are such a stretch. Don't think that builds
>confidence or a winning mind set.
That kid is a walk-on.
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Re: Disgrace -- The Future, 10/10/15 11:58:19pm Sat
Gate Raider,
I'm being honest instead of being shrill.
I said the offensive line and defensive line were outplayed. This was the game. The kicking game could have kept Colgate in it and Colgate could have stolen the game in the 4th--a made chip shot field goal would have put them down 7 with 13 minutes left.
Russell played very well. If you watched the game, you saw him spinning and fighting for yards. Holland's stats were much better in the Holy Cross game. He also got to the second level untouched a lot. This is going to help you have a better yards per carry--and I'm a big Holland fan.
Frankly, you are an absolute moron for calling out a kid you've never seen play for being 5'6". Darren Sproles is 5'6". One of the best players Colgate played against in the '80's was Pinball Clemons. He is 5'6" and was impossible to tackle and keep track of because he would disappear behind bigger people (which was everyone).
Read about him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinball_Clemons
The team Hunt took over was down 42-7 at half to Fordham in the last game with Biddle as head coach:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?gameId=333272142
He has had two years of very few senior starters. There are basically four this year. Next year, 13 of the current juniors should be starting and the team will have basically as many scholarship players as most of the teams they are playing. The team is 2-4. There we in every one of these games except Navy in the 4th quarter. There are plenty of reasons to be disappointed today. There is also a lot of season left and a championship to be won.
Here's an idea Maven will tell me is dumb. Put Connor Buck at fullback. I have no idea if the fullbacks at playing well--just not a position I naturally watch as the play develops. But that kid is strong and can run.
I never see 31 miss tackles. Seems like a good one to have on the field--but I don't know what else he may not be doing as well as others.
Play action to Quazza. Run that entirely too much. Kid is always open.
Don't tell Quazza the snap count. Make him watch the ball. He's too good to go offsides this often.
Get Maddaluna the ball over the middle on play action. Kid is so good with the ball in space.
QB draws work well.
Melville locks in when he goes deep left. Needs to be able to look off that guy. When he sees single coverage deep left he is throwing it there. Kid looks good on pump fakes and play action. Defenses are so ready to be aggressive against Colgate's O. Any deception in the pass game really opens things up.
Georgetown beat up on Lafayette today.
Go 'gate!
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Re: Disgrace -- Octoberfest, 10/11/15 2:01:52am Sun
>Gate Raider,
>I'm being honest instead of being shrill.
>
>I said the offensive line and defensive line were
>outplayed. This was the game. The kicking game could
>have kept Colgate in it and Colgate could have stolen
>the game in the 4th--a made chip shot field goal would
>have put them down 7 with 13 minutes left.
>
>Russell played very well. If you watched the game, you
>saw him spinning and fighting for yards. Holland's
>stats were much better in the Holy Cross game. He also
>got to the second level untouched a lot. This is going
>to help you have a better yards per carry--and I'm a
>big Holland fan.
>
>Frankly, you are an absolute moron for calling out a
>kid you've never seen play for being 5'6". Darren
>Sproles is 5'6". One of the best players Colgate
>played against in the '80's was Pinball Clemons. He is
>5'6" and was impossible to tackle and keep track of
>because he would disappear behind bigger people (which
>was everyone).
>Read about him:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinball_Clemons
>
>The team Hunt took over was down 42-7 at half to
>Fordham in the last game with Biddle as head coach:
>
>
>href="http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?gameId=
>333272142">http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?ga
>meId=333272142
>
>He has had two years of very few senior starters.
>There are basically four this year. Next year, 13 of
>the current juniors should be starting and the team
>will have basically as many scholarship players as
>most of the teams they are playing. The team is 2-4.
>There we in every one of these games except Navy in
>the 4th quarter. There are plenty of reasons to be
>disappointed today. There is also a lot of season left
>and a championship to be won.
>
>Here's an idea Maven will tell me is dumb. Put Connor
>Buck at fullback. I have no idea if the fullbacks at
>playing well--just not a position I naturally watch as
>the play develops. But that kid is strong and can run.
>
>I never see 31 miss tackles. Seems like a good one to
>have on the field--but I don't know what else he may
>not be doing as well as others.
>
>Play action to Quazza. Run that entirely too much. Kid
>is always open.
>
>Don't tell Quazza the snap count. Make him watch the
>ball. He's too good to go offsides this often.
>
>Get Maddaluna the ball over the middle on play action.
>Kid is so good with the ball in space.
>
>QB draws work well.
>
>Melville locks in when he goes deep left. Needs to be
>able to look off that guy. When he sees single
>coverage deep left he is throwing it there. Kid looks
>good on pump fakes and play action. Defenses are so
>ready to be aggressive against Colgate's O. Any
>deception in the pass game really opens things up.
>
>Georgetown beat up on Lafayette today.
>
>Go 'gate!
Someone asked who evaluates the football program? Whoever they are I hope they are on campus and at games more often than not.
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Re: Disgrace -- agatefan, 10/11/15 7:09:44am Sun
The team is 2-4.
>There we in every one of these games except Navy in
>the 4th quarter. There are plenty of reasons to be
>disappointed today. There is also a lot of season left
>and a championship to be won.
>
>Here's an idea Maven will tell me is dumb. Put Connor
>Buck at fullback. I have no idea if the fullbacks at
>playing well--just not a position I naturally watch as
>the play develops. But that kid is strong and can run.
>
>I never see 31 miss tackles. Seems like a good one to
>have on the field--but I don't know what else he may
>not be doing as well as others.
>
>Play action to Quazza. Run that entirely too much. Kid
>is always open.
Yale and Princeton were both lost in the 4th quarter....not a sign of a disciplined team! well coached trams play 4 quarters! connor buck is NOT a fullback. 92 look average at best at FB 32 has looked very good....why didn't he play until the cornell game? injury? whay after a very good opening series yesterday (nice blocking including the 1st TD and a catch) did he not go in again as NO FB was used the rest of the way? injured?
FB is not the issue and the "best front 7 in 20 years" apparently needs all the help it can get, including 99 !! 55 out for the season hurts BUT if the D was 1/2 as good as advertised it would be playing a lot better!! bad coaching!!! 37 & 38 are good the other 2 LB's are NOT!
Quazza is underused and misused....why would you not throw him a jump ball in the endzone???? they NEVER do!!!! I could go on and on but I think I made my point??
the entire D has tackled very poorly
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Re: Disgrace -- Maven, 10/11/15 10:10:45am Sun
> The team is 2-4.
>>There we in every one of these games except Navy in
>>the 4th quarter. There are plenty of reasons to be
>>disappointed today. There is also a lot of season left
>>and a championship to be won.
>>
>>Here's an idea Maven will tell me is dumb. Put Connor
>>Buck at fullback. I have no idea if the fullbacks at
>>playing well--just not a position I naturally watch as
>>the play develops. But that kid is strong and can
>run.
>>
>>I never see 31 miss tackles. Seems like a good one to
>>have on the field--but I don't know what else he may
>>not be doing as well as others.
>>
>>Play action to Quazza. Run that entirely too much. Kid
>>is always open.
>
>Yale and Princeton were both lost in the 4th
>quarter....not a sign of a disciplined team! well
>coached trams play 4 quarters! connor buck is NOT a
>fullback. 92 look average at best at FB 32 has
>looked very good....why didn't he play until the
>cornell game? injury? whay after a very good opening
>series yesterday (nice blocking including the 1st TD
>and a catch) did he not go in again as NO FB was used
>the rest of the way? injured?
>FB is not the issue and the "best front 7 in 20 years"
>apparently needs all the help it can get, including 99
>!! 55 out for the season hurts BUT if the D was 1/2 as
>good as advertised it would be playing a lot better!!
>bad coaching!!! 37 & 38 are good the other 2 LB's are
>NOT!
>Quazza is underused and misused....why would you not
>throw him a jump ball in the endzone???? they NEVER
>do!!!! I could go on and on but I think I made my
>point??
>
>the entire D has tackled very poorly
Connor Buck played FB in high school in short yardage situation. 38 had a poor game yesterday. And yes tackling was poor. 32 did have a good play and should be on the field more.
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Re: Disgrace -- agatefan, 10/11/15 10:19:20am Sun
>
>Connor Buck played FB in high school in short yardage
>situation. 38 had a poor game yesterday. And yes
>tackling was poor. 32 did have a good play and should
>be on the field more.
I understand and agree on 38 & 32 I feel comfortable with 24 in short yardage situation, it's the play calling that kills us! how about an occasional screen!!!!!
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Re: Disgrace -- pigskin, 10/11/15 11:36:47am Sun
>>
>>Connor Buck played FB in high school in short yardage
>>situation. 38 had a poor game yesterday. And yes
>>tackling was poor. 32 did have a good play and should
>>be on the field more.
>
>I understand and agree on 38 & 32 I feel comfortable
>with 24 in short yardage situation, it's the play
>calling that kills us! how about an occasional
>screen!!!!!
After having a night to sleep on this disaster and looking at yesterday's scores, I can only say we need a big change in most aspects of our game plan if we are to beat the Hoyas - now the "Beasts of the Patriot League." Who could have ever dreamed this scenario? What a revoltin' development.
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Re: Disgrace -- agatefan, 10/11/15 12:25:13pm Sun
>After having a night to sleep on this disaster and
>looking at yesterday's scores, I can only say we need
>a big change in most aspects of our game plan if we
>are to beat the Hoyas - now the "Beasts of the Patriot
>League." Who could have ever dreamed this scenario?
>What a revoltin' development.
and the Hoyas have a sr QB (3 yr starter) that can throw the ball around the yard and gate can't cover period!
I am amazed at how quickly/early the corners and the LB's bail !!! to me that is poor coaching!!!!!! and this could make for a VERY long day in DC
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Re: Disgrace -- Bill, 10/26/15 10:23:08am Mon
>James Travellin.
must be injured.. Maybe we'll see him the the pl games
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Re: Disgrace -- the last indian, 10/26/15 10:51:38am Mon
I think he quit
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Re: Disgrace -- Non-scholarship guy, 10/26/15 11:47:44am Mon
>I think he quit
QUIT? Scholarship players quit? Really? MBB had a couple scholarship guys quit last year. Where do these quitters go to college after 'gate and where do they get the bucks to attend? I must assume from their parents. Interesting. Maybe the economy is better than we are led to believe.
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He was a non-scholarship guy -- The Future, 10/26/15 12:33:45pm Mon
It seemed like there was a good chance he was going to not be a part of the RB rotation but I have no idea if that contributed to his decision (if he in fact did quit). I liked how hard that kid played. Think he could have helped out on special teams with his speed. A lot of good kids stop playing football for all sorts of reasons. I do think you're right to believe that Travellin's not being on the field this year is proof of a resurgent economy.
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Re: Disgrace -- the last indian, 10/26/15 5:27:29pm Mon
I believe they get to keep the scholarship, but not at all sure of it.
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Re: Disgrace -- gatefan, 10/26/15 5:46:40pm Mon
>I believe they get to keep the scholarship, but not at
>all sure of it.
Trevelin was NOT on scholarship, he would have been a Sr & the Jr class is the 1st scholly class.
If you leave the team you do BOT keep your scholarship
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Re: Disgrace -- Go...'gate, 10/27/15 10:52:08pm Tue
>>I believe they get to keep the scholarship, but not at
>>all sure of it.
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>Trevelin was NOT on scholarship, he would have been a
>Sr & the Jr class is the 1st scholly class.
>If you leave the team you do NOT keep your scholarship
Not what I understand. A player may relinquish his scholarship but will be allowed to finish his degree with more conventional forms of aid from the university.
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Re: Disgrace -- gatefan, 10/28/15 7:14:09am Wed
>Not what I understand. A player may relinquish his
>scholarship but will be allowed to finish his degree
>with more conventional forms of aid from the
>university.
If you leave the team and have an ATHLETIC scholarship you forfeit the scholarship you may be thinking of an ACADEMIC scholarship? the former player certainly can stay enrolled at the college/univ and IF they qualify for other aide then they will receive it BUT they LOOSE their ATHLETIC scholarship
in this particular case the young man did not have one
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Re: Disgrace -- Scholarships and Need-Based Aid, 10/28/15 4:26:56pm Wed
Colgate does not have academic scholarships. We do have need-based financial aid. Athletic scholarships are the only merit-based aid at Colgate.
For an athletic scholarship:
If injured and unable to compete again: Keep scholarship.
If cut for athletic ability not matching what was expected: Keep scholarship.
If cut for violation of team or university rules: Colgate takes away the scholarship (this decision is subject to appeal to a board that does not include anyone from Athletics). When an athletic scholarship is taken away: IF the student A) Applied for Need-Based Aid when they applied to the school, and B) Qualify for Need-Based Aid, then they could get need-based aid.
Note that the NCAA allows the taking away ("non-renewal") of scholarships for almost any reason, including simply because the coaching staff doesn't like the athlete anymore. Colgate goes above what is required by the NCAA.
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Re: Disgrace -- Go gate 05', 10/30/15 12:24:38am Fri
Wow, what a shame. Thought he had great production last year when he was in. Was at the Albany game , did an acrobatic jump into the end zone and stood out to me the most out of the RBs. Is this a sign of the resurging economy or an internal problem? Sure doesn't look good for the program having productive seniors transfer
>Colgate does not have academic scholarships. We do
>have need-based financial aid. Athletic scholarships
>are the only merit-based aid at Colgate.
>
>For an athletic scholarship:
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>If injured and unable to compete again: Keep
>scholarship.
>
>If cut for athletic ability not matching what was
>expected: Keep scholarship.
>
>If cut for violation of team or university rules:
>Colgate takes away the scholarship (this decision is
>subject to appeal to a board that does not include
>anyone from Athletics). When an athletic scholarship
>is taken away: IF the student A) Applied for
>Need-Based Aid when they applied to the school, and B)
>Qualify for Need-Based Aid, then they could get
>need-based aid.
>
>Note that the NCAA allows the taking away
>("non-renewal") of scholarships for almost any reason,
>including simply because the coaching staff doesn't
>like the athlete anymore. Colgate goes above what is
>required by the NCAA.
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