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Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Gisela [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:26:57 04/17/25 Thu In reply to: Laura82 's message, "Plausible punishment spankings" on 06:29:29 04/17/25 Thu Hi, I'm Gisela and I've been browsing this forum for a while now. Now my first contribution. I probably just come from a different time (I'll soon be 70) and of course I know that raising children and teenagers with spankings is no longer taken for granted as it was in my youth. But if you decide to do so (and in my opinion there are good reasons to do so), then the child should really feel the punishment. A few swats with the hand on the clothed bottom are really ridiculous for a girl of that age. If I had broken something at that age (for whatever reason) and lied to my mother afterwards, I would have had to fetch the cane and get a thrashing, the welts of which would still have been visible a week later. That was always horrible, of course, but the fear of this punishment helped to ensure that it wasn't necessary so often. And that's the point of disciplining children: that they stick to the rules because they don't want to be punished. Best regards from Switzerland - Gisela [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:38:38 04/17/25 Thu Gisela, welcome and thanks for sharing! Hope to hear more from you about your experiences and views. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: peterK68 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:41:21 04/17/25 Thu If my mother ever owned a prize anything it would never be anywhere it could be easily broken. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Laura82 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:10:25 04/17/25 Thu Good point. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Gisela [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:45:35 04/18/25 Fri Good point, Peter. I'm just not sure it would have been wise to insist on this point to my parents if they had been angry at my behavior. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Alfred22 (for Gisela) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:49:03 04/18/25 Fri I have a good friend on SimilarWorlds and she brags about how what is important to learn is how to avoid a spanking. I think that your reply to Peter proves that you learned how to do it! I don't think things have changed all that much over the years we have both been around. I still see behavior in young persons that would have earned a good one in the old days and the behavior still prompts a parental reaction! My hunch is that now it is just understood that the reaction will play out at home. What do you think? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Gisela (for Alfred) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:19:23 04/18/25 Fri In my youth, many adults were of the opinion that a child, especially a girl, is always wrong, even if she is right. So it wasn't too clever to point out that the parents were (partly) to blame for an incident. And certainly not when a punishment had already been imposed. Obstinate, stubborn, unreasonable... is probably what my father would have called it. I do indeed think that some things have changed. There are behaviors that are (rightly) no longer punished today, but were in my youth. There are far fewer parents who even consider spanking as a punishment. Statistics show that around 5-10% of families in Switzerland still punish their children with beatings. Our family is still one of them, as my 9 grandchildren could tell you. And finally I doubt that there are actually suitable reactions away from spankings in the other families at home. Many young people today seem to me to be neither educated nor otherwise prepared for life. For God's sake, not everything has to be like it was in the 50s and 60s. But a minimum of discipline and sense of responsibility would do no wrong for neither the parents nor the children. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Alfred22 for Gisela [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:12:44 04/19/25 Sat I love the name Gisela although my running club friend used two letters "l". She was from SE Asia and I suspect that she was a modern mother. She married, had a baby, and seemed to disappear. She did post once or twice about her daughter and what I mainly remember was her astonishment that the baby could have such a large quantity of gas! Cute but that was the last I learned. I do agree with you about the difficulty of constructing "actually suitable reactions away from spankings." In a totally non spanking high school, I once took the day and stayed home working on school work. When done early in the afternoon, I decided to go to basketball practice. This was noticed and the next day I met with Principal and the Head of the Honor Counci. The Principal joked at the beginning of the "discussion" and asked if the Head brought The Switch? A nervous laugh among the three of us ensued. Then I got a long lecture about setting a good example for other younger students. I was about to be graduated! They could have sentenced me to detention and wasted hours of my time. Or, they could have told me the financial truth -- an absence of even one student once, diminished Government financial aid to the school! Instead I came away vowing never to do it again but I was quite resentful and I had spent the day studying chemistry, physics, and writing a paper for English. They had no interest in this and I thought at the time that showed it wasn't education they were interested in! I do agree that obedience is a strength and a virtue. Spanking gets your attention like nothing else and it can build capacity for obedience and the ability to endure discomfort. So, can detentions which I did serve once. I am not sure what I learned from my scolding for staying home. I didn't do it again. I think that the army may have hit on the best punishment. They make you repeat a whole week of Basic when you misbehave during your first time through that week's training skills. You are blessed to have any grands, much less having 9! Have you ever had to manage any overnight or longer? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Gisela (for Alfred) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:25:53 04/19/25 Sat Dear Alfred, that's quite a colorful bouquet of thoughts, and I'll see which ones I can respond to in a meaningful way. Giselle, Gisella... Emphasis on the second syllable, that's the roman pronunciation and spelling of my name. I come from the German-speaking part of Switzerland, where it's a little less lyrical: Gisela - or Gisi for short. I'm very happy that we (my husband and I) agree on the right parenting methods with our four children (three boys, one girl). No one (not even my husband, who sadly passed away four years ago) would claim that spanking a child or a woman is something beautiful or aesthetic. But it is effective when it comes to obedience! And helpful for the atmosphere in a family in general. There are simply reasons why people first think of “The Switch” when they think of punishment and obedience, as you described! Of course, my grandsons and granddaughters stay over at our house from time to time, especially during school vacations. And of course they know that grandma's cooking spoon feels just as bad on their bottoms as their mom's cooking spoon. And some of them already know that the wooden spoon doesn't have to be the end of the punishment. I think we will gradually get the many threads of this conversation sorted again. All the best - Gisi aka Gisela [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Alfred22 (Pleased and patient) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:11:08 04/19/25 Sat Greetings Gisi, I learn so much from my SW friends. Thank you for your generous reply. I looked up on Wiki Swiss German and tried to get some idea of how it is used and how different it is from what the author called Standard German. I can understand written standard German. But I translate it into American English, I can't think in it. It would be interesting to learn which language you think in, since you probably have many you are comfortable with writing. Your English is flawless and natural, by the way. I did not realize that Swiss German is quite different from Standard German. I might have thought that if your basic language or the one you think in when not in the company of others is Swiss German that I could read and understand it. Now that I have a modest exposure to it, I realize that my knowledge of standard German would not really enable me to manage Swiss German. I have some French and more Spanish but all are taught for reading only. When I travel and I have been six times to Europe, once for ten weeks, almost everyone who speaks with me prefers their English to my attempts at their language! I do have two questions about spanking and a warning. First, the warning. In the adult spanking world, my preferences are for both giving and receiving when everything is voluntary and among adults who are trusting. I am so sorry that your husband has passed and I am sure you miss him dearly and daily. You mention his views on spanking a woman and that he did not see it as having aesthetic properties. I might differ somewhat from him but I would totally agree on its beneficial influence on the general atmosphere and its powerful influence on cooperation and compliance with requests. It is late and I would like to ask for clarification of the sentence which ends the penultimate paragraph of your replay: "And some of them already know that the wooden spoon doesn't have to be the end of the punishment." How would you continue a spanking after you have given them a good touch of the wooden cooking spoon? Cornertime, perhaps? Writing an apology while sitting bare bottom on a hard wooden chair or church pew? (An experience which I had) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Gisela (for Alfred) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:11:57 04/20/25 Sun Thank you very much for your sympathy, Alfred. Yes, he was a wonderful man, and yes - I miss him. "And some of them already know that the wooden spoon doesn't have to be the end of the punishment." The sentence actually alluded more to the fact that it is rather unusual here (in our family, but as far as I can tell in Switzerland as a whole) to put a child who is already in the teens over the knee and tan their bare bottom with a brush or wooden spoon. What is obviously a great fascination in the States seems a little artificial to me as a Swiss woman, perhaps even “silly”. I don't want to judge this type of punishment when it is used on older, perhaps even almost grown-up children - it's just not common here for that age. In Switzerland, anyone who decides to still physically punish his children when they are already in their teens will usually have them lie down across an armchair or a table and carry out the punishment with a cane, a belt or something similar. When I was a child, the blows were either actually administered with a cane or occasionally with an old, braided dog leash. We have kept it very similar with our four children. Our eldest grandchildren are 13 and 14 now and also get their spankings now with either a cane or a belt, which should explain the sentence above. Our second eldest son uses the power cable of a radio for this purpose, which really causes a nasty pain. However, my skepticism in this regard was disproved by success - and in the end it always depends on how hard you hit with it. “Writing an apology while sitting bare bottom on a hard wooden chair or church pew?” This is not a tradition in my family either. But I remember a friend from school who, after a spanking, always had to justify to her family the next weekend why the spankings she had received were necessary and deserved. A very humiliating practice! Oh God, now I'm getting chatty at the end. Enough for today. A heartfelt “Fuerti” - Your Gisi [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Louise Vancisic Vancisic [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:36:33 04/22/25 Tue Why did they wait a full week? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Gisela [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:21:53 04/23/25 Wed I have to admit, Louise, that I have no idea. Firstly, of course, it was a really long time ago, and secondly, I don't even remember if she ever gave me a reason. Maybe it was just part of the Sunday morning breakfast routine. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Louise Vancisic Vancisic [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:45:31 04/26/25 Sat How did your friend feel about the delay? How do you feel? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Gisela [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:59:34 05/01/25 Thu I remember that she found the whole thing horrible. And there was always the danger that her father wouldn't find her explanation sufficient and she would be spanked a second time. But I don't remember whether the delay was particularly bad for her. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Alfred22 (for Gisi) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:13:29 04/22/25 Tue I do apologize for being a bit slow on understanding the various meanings that "the end of punishment" might have. I think I just wasn't really thinking deeply and decided that it meant something like "the telos or purpose/goal of an individual spanking." Then I thought it meant "the point in time when spankings ended." I do apologize. I understand now that what was intended was something like this: "My grands should not think that just because they had outgrown OTK spankings with the wooden spoon, they had also outgrown spankings with the cane or with a belt." Indeed they can still earn contact with either implement and possibly even feel the incredible sting of a thin, probably snow white, charging cord for an USB device. I totally agree with Gisi that those delicate white cords turn a naughty bottom very red and depart leaving behind a very nasty welt on a guilty bare behind. (Pun or ambiguity intended -- the two meanings are linked!) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Gisela [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:03:11 05/01/25 Thu Sorry Alfred, but unfortunately I don't understand your play on words. My English doesn't seem to be as good as you think it is [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Laura82 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:08:43 04/17/25 Thu Welcome Gisela. Thanks for replying. That sounds a bit extreme. I only got two that bad, but even an ordinary spanking hurt like hell. I know plenty of people don't spank at all nowadays, and maybe that the future. FWIW I haven't smacked my girls yet But if you are going to do it, it needs to hurt enough to act as a deterrent. A token spanking would be like a £5 fine for speeding. More likely to make you worse than better. I get that even a few slaps could be a shock if you've never been spanked before, but that's not what we're talking about. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Alfred22 for Gisela [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:14:18 05/02/25 Fri Greetings Gisi, on what I am hoping to be a fruitful Freitag. Let us at our leisure explore "backside" as another interesting linguistic commonality between our two languages. I am casually familiar with "Po" as a rough and tumble synonym for someone's hinternseite. We should be able to exploit the links between a "charging document" such as the infamous "note home" from a teacher to a student's parents that must be returned the next school day signed by a parent AND a "charging cord." Puns such as "I bet she got a charge out of that little communication" perhaps can be indulged in since We are a safe distance apart! Sometimes I am a bit slow on the uptake. We have and use "hiney" (sometimes spelled "heinie") to refer to bottoms. In fact a very memorable assertion from my childhood was the claim the Mrs. Reinschmidt suggested to my mother "Let's blister their heinies!" when her daughter and I had misbehaved. The suggestion was not acted upon but it had quite an effect on both of us. As you might imagine it would have had. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Alfred22 for Gisi [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:15:40 05/01/25 Thu It wasn't a really interesting ambiguity and I probably owe you an apology for cryptically hinting at it. Here is what I had in mind. I had written about the power cord spanks as "leaving behind a ... welt on a guilty bare behind." I realized that the word "behind" has the double meaning of "bottom" or "backside" AND "an event that follows behind or after another" because we could say that your bottom comes after you or follows you! Hmmmn. I may still not have all this sorted properly. What I can say with confidence is that Gisi's English is flawless! Thank you for writing in English. It would be fun to try my hand at Swiss German so feel free to share any thoughts on these topics in the language you naturally think in. Stay Cheerful, Alfred the 22nd [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Plausible punishment spankings Author: Gisela [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 03:43:26 05/02/25 Fri Thank you for the explanation, Alfred. The references also work in German with back or behind. The part of the body in question is the furthest back when standing and even more so when you have to bend down to take a punishment. The connection is therefore probably quite natural. I had searched far too complicatedly for connections between charging cord, welt or guilty. Written German in Switzerland is actually identical to "Oxford German", if I may say so. Only the spoken German in Switzerland (Switzerdütsch) is divided into two or three dozen dialects. One more thing: I know that you are a very polite person and I really appreciate the fact that you always look for mistakes in yourself first. But when an adult man apologizes to me so often, I somehow feel a little uncomfortable, as if I'm assuming a status that doesn't belong to me. I hope you understand this point and don't think I'm ungrateful. Thanks and „Fuerti“ - Gisela [ Post a Reply to This Message ]