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Date Posted: 10:04:29 11/06/03 Thu
Author: Anonymous
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the Princess of NC system...I am considering taking the Gaston Co area as a Director and wanted to know how much interest there was! Past competitors..let me hear from you and those in the Gaston, Cleveland and Lincoln County areas as well! -- No name, 13:43:33 10/17/03 Fri

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Princess Pageant -- No name, 14:09:50 10/17/03 Fri
Princess of NC is an AWESOME system!!!! At least here in Catawba County that is. Pete and Penny Zucco give WONDERFUL prizes,and are GREAT people inside and out of pageants. We actually have their Princess of Hickory coming up in 8 days (10-25-03). I think Steve and Susan are great people as well. To me, this system is just all around good!!!! (NT) -- Melanie, 19:45:34 10/17/03 Fri
PONC (click in) -- No name, 20:40:54 10/17/03 Fri
Tiara's? You don't know what you're talking about! -- MM, 19:51:08 10/30/03 Thu
Yes I do know what I am talking about (Click In) -- No name, 20:53:13 10/30/03 Thu
I know of at least two princess pageants that gave away tiaras so I agree with MM. If they are suppose to get full round crowns then that is what they should get. (NT) -- No name, 21:05:37 10/30/03 Thu
They just told you that the crowns came in the day before the pageant. HOW were they suppose to MAKE the supplier "make good" on the order? It comes down to the prelim director away. Susan and Steve make it known that prelims are to give FULL ROUND crowns. Thats their stipulation for holding their prelims. If the prelim director doesn't comply, why would you blame Susan and Steve? I'm sure they handled the situation with that director, just like they should have. (NT) -- No name, 07:15:39 10/31/03 Fri
Well if it is there stiuplation for holding a prelim to PONC, and the directors are not doing it, then I say take the directors out of the system. If these's moms are paying for a pageant that the state directors are promiseing full round crowns, and we get there and it its a tiara, what else are we suppose to think. I agree that overall this system is a great one, but be honest and don't have your directors advertise a full round crown, and then give out tiara's. (NT) -- No name, 08:03:56 10/31/03 Fri
Please, so you are telling me that this happened both times. No one is blaming Susan and Steve but I doubt they handled it. WE WANT WHAT WE PAY FOR! (NT) -- No name, 07:36:49 11/01/03 Sat
I agree, no one is blaming Steven and Susan, but you can go to there website and look at the pictures and see that at atleast 2 of this years pageant, tiara's was given out. However, I noticed that it was the same director for both pageants and that makes me wonder if Steve and Susan handled that situation. (NT) -- No name, 07:51:49 11/01/03 Sat
Sampson County and Johnston County had tiara's, but they don't have the same director. What other did? (NT) -- No name, 11:26:25 11/01/03 Sat
Princess of Wilson did also, and it is directed by the same person and Johnston County (NT) -- No name, 20:23:48 11/01/03 Sat
HMMMM, so I guess the crown company messed up AGAIN. (NT) -- No name, 08:10:24 11/02/03 Sun
Explanation on the Tiara's! -- No name, 18:20:22 11/01/03 Sat
Princess of NC is a fake!!!!! They have their pageants fixed also. Maybe not the prelims but the state is definitely rigged. Alot of the girls who win have out of date clothes and stuff. The state directors are horrid, back biting people!!! (NT) -- No name, 06:49:02 10/20/03 Mon
Im not sure what years state you went to, but I went for 2003 to watch, and it was awesome.There was NOBODY there that won that didn't deserve it. NOTHING about the pageant is rigged!!! And as far as Susan and Steve go, they have never been ANYTHING but nice to anybody. They go out of there way to help any of their contestants. Maybe you are just an intolerable person, and can't get along with anyone. (NT) -- No name, 07:45:26 10/20/03 Mon
RE: Princess of NC is a fake!!!! -- Penny, 07:46:42 10/20/03 Mon
I have been there watching several times and have seen Steve and Susan take the judges to lunch right before crowning. That is one crazy system. Maybe not everyone can afford up to date clothes but judges need to keep in mind that some parents spend a lot of money to make this more than a hobby and they don't need to feel sorry for people!! (NT) -- No name, 08:51:20 10/20/03 Mon
You just said it "right before crowning". The judging has ALREADY been done by then. Any good director will take her judges to lunch OR dinner after their job is COMPLETE! Someone spent a lot of money and didn't win, and now they are mad! Just goes to show you that VERY expensive clothes doesn't make winners. I, for one, am happy about that fact. In this system, EVERYONE has a shot at the State Titles. Not just the rich. (NT) -- An "I'll try their pageant" Mom, 09:56:06 10/20/03 Mon
RE: "they don't need to feel sorry for people!!!! -- Penny, 10:20:16 10/20/03 Mon
I agree, it is not just about bringing home the crown. I haven't always agreed with decisions that are made but sometimes that is the way things are. It is alright if you are into the more natural, straight T pageants. (NT) -- No name, 10:55:37 10/20/03 Mon
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 04:59:02 10/31/03 Fri
Choose your prelims wisely and you won't be disappointed! (NT) -- No name, 14:05:00 10/31/03 Fri
ANY SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHICH PRELIM WE SHOULD TRY? WE ARE IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE STATE. WE ARE GOING TO DO ONE, THATS NOT THE QUESTION, JUST WANT TO KNOW WHICH IS THE BEST TO DO. (NT) -- No name, 17:45:23 11/03/03 Mon
I like Marie Maroules (preliminary) She did her Lenoir, and now she doing Pitt County (click in) -- No name, 18:40:01 11/04/03 Tue
Princess of N.C. is a big "JOKE", the prelim directors and state directors like to get on these boards and bash former contestants, the state pageant is way over priced, save your money and go to Little Miss North Carolina!!!! (NT) -- No name, 05:50:15 11/01/03 Sat
AND>>>>LITTLE MISS NORTH CAROLINA IS NOT OVER PRICED?? HA HA -- No name, 18:29:30 11/01/03 Sat
Hey "No Name", you are full of it. I am a PONC director and I have never bashed anyone on this board and neither have the state directors. YOU are bashing us right now, so what does that make YOU? And I'll sign my name! Penny Zucco, Proud Director of Princess of NC Preliminaries. (NT) -- No name, 06:35:25 11/02/03 Sun
I think you are full of it. Just because you sign your name doesn't mean its not a bash. I have seen your name on plenty of crap that could be taken as bashes. get over yourself! (NT) -- No name, 07:59:05 11/02/03 Sun
I am pretty sure that Penny Zucco is, was, and will be what most directors can never accomplish!! An honest person who loves pageantry, and her kids involved in her pageants. Year after year they change, yet I think thre is noone that can say they went to Penny for something and she didn't give it her all. IF Penny says something to or about someone, she is making a TRUE point,and can't be called wrong by many people. Penny is one of the greatest!! "No name" what can people say about you? (NT) -- Melanie, 13:29:12 11/02/03 Sun
You just kiss her ass because your kid won her pageant. Lets see how she does at the "REAL" Hickory pageant!!! (NT) -- No name, 13:59:28 11/02/03 Sun
Well if thinking highly of someone is ass kissing, then I am at fault. BUT I can assure you of one thing and thats I will think highly of many people in the pageant world, wheather my daughter wins or looses. And yes, do come and watch my daughter at Hickory. She's a spectacular show :0) (NT) -- Melanie, 14:15:55 11/02/03 Sun
You GO MEL!!!! Courtney is awesome and everyone will see in 2 weeks, won't they!! How dare you people come on here and bash an innocent 5 year old. She deserves every win that she gets (NT) -- Sarah, 16:36:34 11/02/03 Sun
Who are you "No Name" and what is your problem. I think you are an evil person and I hope I never meet you. I WILL make it a point to meet Penny Zucco, though. (NT) -- No name, 17:22:03 11/02/03 Sun
done it for years -- ATTENTION, 20:30:08 11/02/03 Sun
And the director's children of LMNC don't compete at state??? lol (NT) -- No name, 19:36:38 11/03/03 Mon
Courtney is awesome! it has nothing to do with her mom knowing anyone. Courtney does an awesome job She's a doll! (NT) -- No name, 21:05:35 11/02/03 Sun
There is no reason for this nonsense.This is a very "fair" pageant & directs everything toward the child,not clothes, etc. Sorry that you have very expensive clothes but the clothes are not being judged.This is not "feeling sorry" for anyone. You need to stop, take a deep breath and listen to what you are saying. Pageants should be a fun time for everyone....whether you win or not....it is not about YOU! All children are beautiful and everyone is a winner....do like I do...stop at CLAIRES, buy a tiara to take with you,that way your child will leave with a crown! I've done it plenty of times:} (NT) -- No name, 21:09:01 11/02/03 Sun
You Go COURT!You will ROCK AT HICKORY!!!! MMM (NT) -- No name, 21:09:28 11/02/03 Sun
talk about what goes around comes around, eh? lol looks like somebody is reaping what they been sowing. (NT) -- No name, 21:25:51 11/02/03 Sun
Princess Of NC Pageant -- No name, 20:50:47 11/02/03 Sun
PONC -- No name, 19:15:35 11/02/03 Sun
I am the original poster and I have heard what I needed to know. As far as the crowns go I was told that either 4 in round crowns or ADJUSTABLE CROWNS (aka tiaras in their explanation) were to be given, and that they COULD not be over 4 in...I was wanting to hear positive nad neg about the systmem and the year in reign...not about directors (NT) -- No name, 20:29:50 11/02/03 Sun
The Zucco's Child did not win at the State Pageant This Year! They do 3 prelims for Susan & Steve. If it was rigged, don't you think she would have won? Grow up NO NAME! Princess of North Carolina is a GREAT SYSTEM!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 05:52:16 11/03/03 Mon
Take A Preliminary To The Princess of North Carolina! (Read Link) Go to their website www.princessofnc.com -- No name, 06:36:05 11/03/03 Mon
Oh Please, you need over a 100 contestants to win $10,000.00, PONC has NEVER, EVER, had any where near that number, more like 20 or 30. For 200.00 more I'd rather do LMNC and have a chance of winning the $10,000. The only girls who do PONC are the girls who can't win LMNC. (NT) -- No name, 08:20:03 11/03/03 Mon
Is that the way it goes? Or is the that LMNC girls can't win at PONC? I happen to know of 2 PONC girls that are about to bust LMNC WIDE open!!! (NT) -- No name, 08:49:39 11/03/03 Mon
I think you have a real problem. You have gone from bashing me, which is fine, I'm a big girl and can over-look you, but when you start saying ugly things about our children, that's where the buck stops! You know nothing about our children or the children that compete in PONC. I'm sure LMNC would not want YOU associated with them either! I feel sorry for someone like you. I really do. I'll say an extra prayer for you tonight even though you don't leave your name, God knows who you are! May God Bless You, because if anyone needs it, it's you. (NT) -- No name, 09:08:13 11/03/03 Mon
This is my first post and I will tell you real quick that I am the mother who showed her butt not because my child didn't win but because I know she deserved to place and didn't!!! Girls placed who did not over my child who did not even have their hair brushed. Susan even told me that her judges made decisions that she didn't agree with. So if you are going to say that I posted something make sure you know I did it!!! (NT) -- Dana, 09:20:38 11/03/03 Mon
This system is truely a system for beginners. Click in -- No name, 09:15:21 11/03/03 Mon
Yes, I know of a "Queen" this year who was forced to give up their title because she wouldn't give up her other state title. I hold no grudges against any of these people. I believe the Zucco's are very kind but the truth of the matter is no matter what the prelim directors act like they don't run the show. I don't show my butt because my child doesn't win, I show my butt because she received a 19 and no explanation of it but received a 23 and got comments like need to smile for. Tell me how that is, you can give a negative comment for a 23 but not a 19 which considerably lower!!! (NT) -- Dana, 09:30:20 11/03/03 Mon
Oh by the way, the girl who won in my daughters age division was very pretty and I am sure that she deserved it. So don't say I was mad because my daughter didn't win. Unless you haven't gotten both sided of the story you don't know. And obviously, you don't have both sided because I haven't discussed this with you. (NT) -- Dana, 09:47:57 11/03/03 Mon
What exactly do you mean by "no matter what the prelim directors act like they don't run the show'? Click in... -- No name, 10:07:15 11/03/03 Mon
Penny - click in -- Dana, 11:17:25 11/03/03 Mon
Penny, I did not say that your child was a beginner nor did I make any post that my name is not associated with. I will sign my name because I am grown and if I have something to say I will say it. What I have posted has my name on it. (NT) -- Dana, 12:11:32 11/03/03 Mon
You're right, Dana, I didn't have any control at State and nor should I or anyone else have, other than the State Directors. And you are correct in the statement that "People tend to hear what they want to hear regardless of there being two sides to every story. That's why people should listen to these bashes, and try a pageant themselves before making up their minds about it. (NT) -- No name, 12:13:13 11/03/03 Mon
Correction: That's why people SHOULDN'T listen to these bashesand try a pageant themselves before making up their minds. (NT) -- No name, 12:15:06 11/03/03 Mon
Thank you, Penny. As far as I am concerned, this thing ended months ago. (NT) -- Dana, 12:22:14 11/03/03 Mon
Then, Dana, you're a first class pageant mom! Vent to the persons involved and then let it go! (NT) -- No name, 12:32:55 11/03/03 Mon
Dana, A MESSAGE FOR YOU: Click IN -- Susan, 19:05:34 11/03/03 Mon
First of all if I posted it, it has my name on it!!!! And I know who they were talking about because I know what I did and that I said some thing that should have been let go. I don't know anything about LMNC because my daughter has never competed. So check into other people posting bad things about PONC because it wasn't me posting all of that other crap. Evidently someone else besides me got mad. I am the type who will say what is on my mind and let people know I said it. I don't try to hide my identity because I am the only one who controls Dana!! (NT) -- Dana, 11:58:08 11/04/03 Tue
Correction, a queen was asked to give up another state title or give up the PONC title. Susan, what I have posted has my name on it because I answer to no one except for myself. That other stuff I did not post. As far as me assuming it was me they where talking about, I know what I said and my daughter immediatly started proam modeling after PONC state. My daughter has never competed at LMNC and I know next to nothing about that pageant system, so as far as that goes someone else posted it. Evidently, I wasn't the only one who have had issuses. (NT) -- If it has my name, then yes I posted it. If it doesn't, then I didn't. That simple. Someone has been talking and is hasn't been me. This is over and has been for months. - Dana, 12:13:06 11/04/03 Tue
AWWWW!!!! Susan's feelings are hurt! (NT) -- No name, 19:21:36 11/04/03 Tue

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LITTLE MISS NC PREIMS -- No name, 19:05:47 11/03/03 Mon
OK-WHAT PRELIM IS THE VERY BEST TO DO AND WHICH ONES SHOULD I STAY AWAY FROM?

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All of them!!!!!! Prev LMNC pageant mom who knows (NT) -- No name, 14:25:12 11/04/03 Tue
LMNC , from my experience, if you weren't invited, by a LMNC "person" then you're not welcome. (NT) -- No name, 14:29:27 11/04/03 Tue
Little Miss Prelims-Hickory -- No name, 16:11:12 11/04/03 Tue

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i JUST SAW AND READ THE POSTS BELOW ABOUT CINDERELLA -- No name, 08:17:30 03/27/03 Thu
PLEASE TELL ME WHAT STATES YOU ALL ARE FROM. WE WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING IT IN FLORIDA AND NOW I NOT SURE WE WANT TO.

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We are from Louisiana. (NT) -- Ex-Cinderella Mom. And I stress EX!, 10:22:16 03/27/03 Thu
Any large system have some issues -- current Cinderella family, 12:48:14 03/27/03 Thu
You are correct. All systems have imperfections because they are run by people and people are not perfect. However, it appears that Cinderella have quite a few problems and problem people starting from the top of the organization's leadership, to State Directors, to local Directors to rude moms. (NT) -- No name, 17:36:49 04/08/03 Tue
Please Read This IMPORTANT Message Concerning Cinderella! -- EX EX Cindy Mom, 21:10:56 03/27/03 Thu
This sounds like my state, Tennessee! Is it? Everybody in Tennessee Cinderella talk crap about people in other programs! Cinderella has gotten a bad name and deserves it. -- No name, 10:20:48 03/28/03 Fri
This is Cinderella in Utah--- totally fixed and the winners are the girls and families who have known the director the longest and the best! Total ripoff and then they have the nerve to gossip about everybody else! Shame on them! (NT) -- No name, 15:15:23 03/30/03 Sun
Tennessee Cinderella -- No name, 17:49:43 04/28/03 Mon
We have had horrible experiences with a local director from a western state, R.A. She would call and call and try to get us to do Cinderella and when I said that we had found another program we liked better, she started yelling at me and badmouthing the other program. I don't need this attitude! (NT) -- No name, 09:35:52 03/31/03 Mon
This is the original poster supporting Cinderella. If your daughter is good then you can do it. If she sucks then find something else to do. Cinderella is only for those "quality" girls! -- No name, 13:15:01 03/31/03 Mon
Whats the matter with you.... IF SHE SUCKS? what kind of a thing is that to say to somebody. I think competition has gone to your head. Find something more important to rant and rave about. (NT) -- No name, 17:12:36 03/31/03 Mon
This woman obviously is mentally ill and I question her ability to accurately report anything. "Quality girls"? Are you nuts? In our State Cinderella is definitely for new kids and not experienced girls. (NT) -- No name, 18:16:22 04/01/03 Tue
CINDERELLA IN ARKANSAS -- No name, 21:43:53 03/31/03 Mon
I need to reply to the past two responses: Only "quality" girls do Cinderella? In my book, "Quality" doesnt require me to smooch the State Directors ass & have lots of money. That is how Arizona works! Complaining to the "higher ups" as Arkansas suggests, does NOTHING! We TRIED to talk to F. Vollman who did nothing except stand up for his directors, did not even look into the allegations. I have said many times before, we were devoted to Cinderella, did everything right, loved the program but found out the nasty truth! If you like it, stay cause sooner or later, you will find out too! (NT) -- No name, 06:55:51 04/01/03 Tue
"Only Quality girls" sounds like a cruel remark about some children saying they aren't quality or up to your standards of what a child should look like. If you are referring to mothers who try to cheet then say that, don't say the girls aren't of high enough quality like your child, that's just not right. (NT) -- No name, 10:33:20 04/01/03 Tue
How do you change State Directors? We asked Mr Vollman about going to Internationals with a different state because of the horrible way our State director acts and were told that we could not do so. We were stuck with the State Director where we lived so we decided that Cinderella was not for us. (NT) -- No name, 10:30:54 04/01/03 Tue
Forget about changing State Directors. I want to change the International Director first. He is pompous, rude and only concerned about the all-mighty dollar. Taht is why he puts up with cheating State and local Directors! (NT) -- No name, 11:43:09 04/11/03 Fri
Cinderella has gotten SO bad in our state that when another "youth program" began last year, they have done EVERYTHING they can to sway people back to Cinderella-including emails BEGGING them to return, offering local directorships and the previous years state queens wardrobe if they would quit the other system! SICKOS! (NT) -- No name, 16:29:49 04/11/03 Fri
Oh, my gosh! I have heard of similar things happening in my state! Isn't that pathetic? I hope that other "youth program" does well and doesn't have to stoop to the level of Cinderella! (NT) -- No name, 16:42:34 04/11/03 Fri
Why doesn't Cinderella in your State just give it up? When you have to e-mail begging people to return and try to give them local directorships to be in Cinderella they are to be pitied. Obviously, they must feel threatened by that other "youth program"! I agree and hope that other program kicks their butts! Imagine, offering the state queens wardrobe to quit the other program! (NT) -- No name, 10:32:54 04/15/03 Tue
Why can't Cinderella accept that people don't respect their groveling? (NT) -- No name, 08:54:31 04/16/03 Wed
I don't see ANYTHING wrong with ANY of this! They NEED to do this cause the other "youth program" might be taking girls away. Any way that you can get girls is fair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 15:51:45 04/16/03 Wed
You don't see anything wrong with begging and trying to "buy" contestants with local directorships and winning wardrobes? What planet are you from? SO WHAT if the other "youth program" takes some of the girls away?!? I would run the other way too! Far away from Cinderella! (NT) -- No name, 10:19:59 04/17/03 Thu
No, there is NOTHING wrong with getting girls any way you can!!!!!!!!!!!!! That other "youth program" probably sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 14:10:40 04/17/03 Thu
The "other youth program" is actually awesome, that is why Cinderella is doing everything they can to bribe kids to come back! I applaud the directors of the other system for remaining honest & trustworthy-that is why they are doing SO well. (NT) -- No name, 22:32:38 04/17/03 Thu
That is so awesome! Perhaps finally there is a "youth program" that benefits the girls, not just the directors like Cinderella. (NT) -- No name, 22:51:04 04/19/03 Sat
Get kids however you can! All is fair in pageants! Who cares what Cinderella does to get kids? (NT) -- No name, 13:25:45 04/21/03 Mon
What a terrible attitude! Are you saying that unethical behavior is OK because it is done in the Cinderella pageant? This sort of behavior is a bad example to kids and gives pageant and youth scholarship programs a black eye! Shameful! I hope that the other youth program continues to do well. Good luck to those who are rewarded for their ethical behavior! (NT) -- No name, 08:33:03 04/23/03 Wed
In response to Ex Ex Cindy mom....YOU GO GIRL!!! -- No name, 05:59:42 04/21/03 Mon
I second that! You go girl! At the our State pageant the photographer was shooting nude pictures of one of the judges during the pageant week! At least do it on your own time! What caliber judge is this? Many of the kids found out about this. Drugs were readily available from one of the Royalty mothers (unless she didn't wish to share them on that day). These incidents have been reported but Fred stands up for his state directors because of the money they bring in to him without concern for the best welfare and example for kids. (NT) -- No name, 10:16:48 04/21/03 Mon
For the main poster, I will tell you how judging is done at this pageant, you may change your mind and not go -- No name, 21:06:56 04/21/03 Mon
And to the posted who claims this pageant is for the "NEW" kids, think again...... -- another X cindy mom by choice, 21:19:46 04/21/03 Mon
Some of the State Directors run their programs dishonestly too! (NT) -- No name, 15:52:28 04/22/03 Tue
Love to see this return to the top! Let's have at a "new" "old" topic! (NT) -- No name, 14:48:13 11/02/03 Sun
Same story, different day. Cinderella continues to be crooked and a bad experience on the international level and in many states. That isn't to say that some people may luck out and have a decent experience but on the whole,watch out! (NT) -- No name, 13:39:29 11/03/03 Mon
Please Cinderella is as crooked as it gets - we went to Internationals 2 years ago to watch. OH MY GOD what a joke -- No name, 16:00:22 11/02/03 Sun
I am sure that Cinderella has it faults as do ALL major systems, we did it in NC at Gastonia and had a blast...sure it started late...but they were all so nice nad sweet, way to go Angela Harding and Ms Lowe....we had a great time ! (NT) -- No name, 20:22:42 11/02/03 Sun
Kudos! We also did the Gastonia pageant and it was lots of fun. It's just like anything else in life. IT'S WHAT YOU MAKE IT!!!! If you go into it believing all the negitive things you hear, then you're going to find every little nit-picking thing there is to find wrong with it. NC Cinderella is obviously a step above the rest . (NT) -- No name, 14:59:03 11/03/03 Mon
Cinderella program -- Ohio Mom, 21:12:50 11/04/03 Tue
And the same old story seems to be that at some prelims and states, you can have a good time and the directors try to be honest/fair. But the bottom line is that the organization is not as good as some others and Internationals was way too much $$ for getting absolutely nothing out of it. And feeling like it didn't matter what you did, unless you were in the 'circle' based on your own or directors pull, it just didn't matter. (NT) -- No name, 06:50:50 11/05/03 Wed

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