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Date Posted: 13/02/02 4:58:33 GMT+10
Author: Axaday
Subject: Oh, come ON!!
In reply to: Goktimus Prime 's message, "Re: Fact is...." on 13/02/02 2:55:44 GMT+10

>>If you can improve a fig, I don't see how that's going
>>to leave you wishing you had the real thing,
>>Gok...
>
>Because at the end of the day, it's still not a real
>thing.
>So if you're going to modify a toy, you might as well
>do something original, as in something that is
>otherwise not available at all.

It is a real thing. It isn't a licensed Hasbro toy, but it is just as REAL as it was before.

>>imroving the design or TV accuracy of a fig to
>>improve your own impression of the toy is all gain.
>
>Granted. But I wasn't arguing otherwise.
>As I said, I don't really regret doing my cartoon
>coloured Optimus Prime, because I did around June
>2000, long before anybody could have known about New
>Year Special Convoy.

I don't regret making a show-like BM Silverbolt even though no such toy will ever be mass produced.

>>And repainting Scourge as Prime isn't "cheating" to
>>get the Laser Rod--it's working toward a ridiculously
>>small version of the G2 leader to put on a keychain or
>>something. It's cool.
>
>It would be if you're repainting the SpyChanger
>Scourge, since a SpyChanger Laser Prime would
>otherwise simply not be in existence.

Look back at the start of this conversation. After your comment about repainting a Jetstorm, I said that I was going to paint a mini Scourge as a Laser Prime. So what's the problem.

>But repainting a large Scourge/Black Convoy as Laser
>Prime would be cheating IMO, because it's just a lame
>way to add a toy to your collection.

Of course, I wouldn't do that since they are roughly the same value. Maybe Laser Prime is a bit more, but Black Convoy is not cheap. I did make a Go Shooter and a Minerva from mixing pieces from knockoffs and using some parts from Siren and a little paint. And I don't regret it.

But "Cheating"? What the heck? Are you trying to establish RULES or something? I didn't know I was in a contest.

>Repainting it as an Optimus Prime in different colours
>(not Laser Prime colours) would be cool -- e.g.:
>painting the chest red and the "windows" blue to make
>his torso look more "Prime" like, as opposed to
>painting it all light gray to make it look more like
>Laser Prime. That would be cool because it's something
>more original. Something that, if you hadn't gone and
>done it yourself, there would be no way that you
>could've had it.

Thanks for the idea, I expect that I will do this as well.

>So when I say that alterations should involve
>originality, what I mean is that you should be making
>either a completely new/original character, or an
>original modification of a character (e.g.: more show
>like).

Can I just make a toy (even not from the show) look more like I want? Is that allowed in the rules?

>But taking a toy and modifying it to look like a toy
>that already exists but you don't have (e.g.:
>repainting a spare Cheetor in the same colours as
>Tigatron) is, IMO, cheating.

That's not what we're talking about. There is no mini-Laser Prime.

>And customs definitely should NEVER be included in
>your Transformers count, original or not. I'm sure
>most of you would accuse me of 'artificially'
>increasing my collection size if I were to include my
>customs into my toy count.

So out Transformer counts are the big contest? Then I'll relax, knowing that I'm beating you even without my customs. = ) Now if I can just get a lead on Dirge!!

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