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--Ó ãðóçèíñüêèõ äæåðåëàõ, ì³æ ³íøèì, âñ³õ ¿õ - ñêèò³â, ñàðìàò³â, àëàí³â, îñåòèí - êëè÷óòü îäíàêîâî - îâñè(àáî îñè).

Öå í³ íà ùî íå âêàçóº. Ñêèòè é ñàðìàòè - òî âñå ³ðàíñüêà ãðóïà. Òàê ñàìî ðèìëÿíè âæèâàëè "ãåðìàíö³" ÷è "ãàëëè" íà îçíàêó âñ³õ, ñïîð³äíåíèõ ì³æ ñîáîþ ïëåìåí, õî÷ ò³ é äóæå ð³çíèëèñÿ îäíå â³ä îäíîãî é âîðîãóâàëè îäíå ç îäíèì.

--Òà é ïðèãàäàé ñîá³, ùî Ãåðîäîò âèâîäèâ ñàðìàò³â â³ä ñêèò³â ç àìàçîíêàìè.

Ñâ³ä÷åííÿ Ãåðîäîòà íå º íàä³éíèì. ³í ì³ã âèñóíóòè òàêó âåðñ³þ õî÷à á ç îãëÿäó íà ïîøèðåí³ñòü â ñàðìàò³â ùå â òîìó ÷àñ³ æ³íî÷îãî ðîäó íà â³äì³íó â³ä ÷îëîâ³÷îãî â ñêèò³â.
Ãåðîäîò çíàâ, ùî ò³ íàðîäè ñïîð³äíåí³, îñü ³ äîäóìàâ, ÷îìó âîíè ð³çíÿòüñÿ, òèì ïà÷å ùî àìàçîíêè â éîãî ðîçóì³íí³ ìåøêàëè äåñü íà Ìåîòèä³, òîáòî òî÷íî ì³æ ñêèòàìè ³ ñàðìàòàìè. ³äòàê ³ ç"ÿâèëàñÿ âåðñ³ÿ, ùî ñàðìàòè òî ä³òè ñêèò³â ³ àìàçîíîê. Ìîâà òà çâè÷à¿ íàãàäóþòü ñêèòñüê³, à ð³ä æ³íî÷³é. Çíà÷èòü àìàçîíêè òóò äîëó÷èëèñÿ :)

--Âçàãàë³ òàì òèõ ð³çíîìàí³òíèõ ñêèò³â áóëî ñò³ëüêè, ùî ãîëîâà îáåðòîì éäå, òàì ö³ëà êëàñèô³êàö³ÿ, à íå ò³ëüêè öàðñüê³ ñêèòè ç îðà÷àìè.

Îáèäâà íàðîäè ïîä³ëÿëèñÿ íà îêðåì³ ïëåìåíà, áàãàòî áóëî ñêèòñüêèõ ïëåìåí, ÷èìàëî é ñàðìàòñüêèõ. Äî ðå÷³, àëàíè òî áóëî ò³ëüêè îäíå ç ñàðìàòñüêèõ ïëåìåí, ìàáóòü íàéîâîéâíè÷³øå, áî ÿêèéñü õðîí³ñò (íàæàëü, íå ïðèãàäóþ, õòî ñàìå) çàçíà÷ຠïðî íèõ íàñòóïíå: "Âîíè (àëàíè) ÷àñòèìè â³éíàìè ñòÿãëè ³íø³ ïëåìåíà ï³ä ñâîº ðîäîâå ³ì"ÿ".

--Ðàäøå ³íäî-ºâðîï.êîð³íü, òîìó ³ ³ðàíñüêå çíà÷åííÿ áëèçüêå äî ëàòèíñüêîãî: áëèñêó÷³, öàðñüê³, ñâ³òë³, ñîíÿ÷í³, âîãíÿí³ ³ íàâ³òü ÷åðâîí³, àáî ðóä³.  çàëåæíîñòè â³ä â³äò³íêà çíà÷åííÿ ìè ìàºìî çîâñ³ì â³äì³ííó ÿê³ñòü: ÷è òî êîë³ð âîëîññÿ ³ øê³ðè, ÷è òî ñîö³àëüíèé ñòàòóñ.

Ñþäè ìàáóòü ñë³ä â³äíåñòè áàãàòî ñë³â:
îêð³ì âæå çãàäàíèõ Rex òà ðîêñ-
àíãë³éñüê³ Royal, Red (îñü òîá³ ñîö³àëüíà ïðèíàëåæí³ñòü òà êîë³ð îäðàçó) òà, ìîæëèâî, óêðà¿íñüê³ ðóäèé òà ðîæåâèé.

--Äî ðå÷³, òàêà ö³êàâèíêà: ×îðíå ìîðå íàñïðàâä³ í³ÿêå íå ÷îðíå, à "÷åðìëåíå", òîáòî ÷åðâîíå ó ñó÷àñí³é îðòîãðàô³¿. Àáî æ Ðóñüêå. ßêùî çíà÷åííÿ ñèíîí³ì³÷í³, òî òîä³ "ðóñüêèé" ìຠáóòè ïîâ"ÿçàíèì ÿêîñü ç ÷åðâîíèì êîëüîðîì. Òóò çíîâó òàêè, äèâëÿ÷èñü ùî ï³ä öèì ðîçóì³òè: ÿêùî ïåâíó ñîö³àëüíó ãðóïó, òî òîä³ îçíà÷ຠâëàäó, ÿêùî êîë³ð - òî òîä³ åòí³÷íó ãðóïó ç ðóäèì êîëüîðîì âîëîññÿ

Âîíî ìîæå áóòè ³ íå ïîâ"ÿçàíèì. Äèâ. âèùå.
Òîáòî çâ"ÿçîê º, àëå äóæå îïîñåðåäæåíèé. ßêùî áðàòè äî óâàãè, ùî òî ³íäîºâðîïåéñüêèé êîð³íü âçàãàë³. À ×îðíå-×åðâîíå ìîðå ìîãëî îòðèìàòè íàçâó Ðóñüêå çîâñ³ íå ÷åðåç êîë³ð, à ÷åðåç òå ùî âîíî áóëî íàéáëèæ÷èì äî ðóñ³â, ÿê³ éîãî äî ðå÷³, òàê ³ íàçâàëè. Ãðåêè, ìàáóòü, ìàëè äëÿ òîãî ìîðÿ ñâîþ íàçâó.

--Õòî çíà?  ìåíå âðàæåííÿ, ùî ïîëÿíè âñå æ òàêè áóëî íàçâîþ íå åòí³÷íîþ, à ñîö³àëüíîþ, íåäàðåìíî ïîëÿíè ³ñíóâàëè êð³ì Öåíòð.Ïîëüù³ ùå ó Ìîðà⳿ ³ Áîëãàð³¿. Ìîãëî îçíà÷àòè êàñòó âî¿í³â.

Íåîáîâ"ÿçêîâî. Îñü òîá³ äâà ïðèêëàäè: ñëîâåíè (ôàêòè÷íî òðè íàðîäè çóñòð³÷àºìî ï³ä òàêîþ íàçâîþ: ñëîâåíö³, ñëîâàêè, ñëîâåíè ³ëüìåíñüê³, íàéï³âí³÷í³øå ç óñ³õ ñëîâ. ïëåìåí). Àáî æ âîëüñüêè â êåëüò³â. Çóñòð³÷àºìî òèõ âîëüñüê³â ïî ê³ëüêîõ äóæå â³ääàëåíèõ îäíå â³ä îäíîãî ì³ñöÿõ îäðàçó. Ó ï³âí³÷í³é Ôðàíö³¿, ó ñó÷àñí³é Þãîñëà⳿ òà Áîëãàð³¿, áà íàâ³òü ó ×åõ³¿. Äî ðå÷³, ÷åðåç òå ìàáóòü, â áàãàòî ñòîë³òü ï³çí³øå, ãåðìàíö³ ìàëî íå âñ³õ êåëüò³â (ðîìàí³çîâàíèõ) îõðåñòèëè âåëüõàìè. ² ùå ö³êàâèíêà: ðîìàí³çîâàí³ ïðåäêè ðóìóí³â ïðîçâàëèñÿ ñâîãî ÷àñó âëîõàìè (â³äîì³ ï³ä òàêîþ íàçâîþ äåñü ç ê³íöÿ ²Õ ñò.), ï³çí³øå íàçâà òðàíñôîðìóâàëàñÿ ó "âàëàõè". ßêéè òóò ìîæå áóòè çâ"ÿçîê ç êåëüòàìè? Âåëèêå ïèòàííÿ... Òàì äåñü ïîáëèçó í³áèòî áëóêàëè ÿê³ñü êåëüòè, àëå òî áóëî ùå â òîìó ÷àñ³, êîëè ïðåäêè ðóìóí³â çâàëèñÿ äàêàìè. Áëóêàþòü íàçâè, áëóêàþòü...
Çðåøòîþ, ÿ õî÷ó ñêàçàòè íàñòóïíå: íàçâè ìîæóòü áëóêàòè ÿê çàâãîäíî ³ íå º íàä³éíîþ âêàç³âêîþ.

--Íó à ñêëàäàòèñÿ ìîãëî ç áóäü-êîãî, ç äîì³íóâàííÿì ó íàøîìó âèïàäêó ³ðàíñüêîãî åëåìåíòó, ÿêùî ñë³äóâàòè çà àíòðîïîëî㳺þ. Åòí³÷íà ãîìîãåíí³ñòü º çîâñ³ì íå îáîâ"ÿçêîâîþ, ïðîñòî ïëåì³ííèé ñîþç.

Òàê. ß âæå êàçàâ, åòí³÷íå ïîõîäæåííÿ ìîæå áóòå ³ðàíñüêèì, ìîâà ñëîâ"ÿíñüêîþ, à çâè÷à¿ ãåðìàíñüêèìè. Öå íà ïðèêëàä. Áî òî áóëà çîíà êîíòàêòó ð³çíèõ íàðîä³â. Òîáòî âñå ïåðåì³øàëîñÿ ³ âèéøëî ùîñü íîâå. À ïåðåì³øàëîñÿ âîíî ìàáóòü ùå çàäîâãî íàâ³òü ïåðåä Êèºì. Îñü îãëÿíü ùå îäíó ìàïó: ÿñíî ïîêàçóº, ùî òî áóëà ãðàíèöÿ ì³æ ñëîâ"ÿíàìè òà ³ðàíöÿìè. À òóò ùå ç çàõîäó ðóõàþòüñÿ ãåðìàíö³ ïîâç åòí³÷í³ òåðèòî𳿠ñëîâ"ÿí. Áà íàâ³òü á³ëüøå: äåñü ïî îêîëèöÿõ ðåã³îíó ñïîñòåð³ãàºìî êåëüò³â. Ïðè÷îìó çâåðíè óâàãó, ñëîâ"ÿíè çàìåøêóþòü ïåðåâàæíî ë³ñîâó ñìóãó, à ³ðàíö³ - ñòåï. Âîíî é çðîçóì³ëî, áî â³äì³íí³ êóëüòóðè. Çàòå ë³ñîñòåï ïîêàçàíèé ÿê ñóì³ø ïåðøèõ ³ äðóãèõ ïëåìåí. Òîáòî ìàºìî êëàñè÷íó çîíó åòí³÷íîãî êîíòàêòó. Îòóò ³ ñë³ä, ìàáóòü, øóêàòè êîð³ííÿ.


 

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