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Date Posted: 12:33:56 04/27/02 Sat
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
backup forum. :)








MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Ctaj
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:46

Nope, I think you just found a blooper...It's supposed to be Matthew Fox...I doubt if he
knows who Michael J. Fox is...haha!

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:45

"Might as well welcome it. She sent a clear signal she was done talking along the previous
lines. Right or wrong?" I feel so powerful...I am woman, hear me roar! (giggle)

`Ctaj
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:43

Interesting comments by Bill on Quaker/Universalism. He quotes both a Micheal Fox and a
Matthew Fox. Related? Is this the Michael J. Fox of Back to the Future fame?

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray & Ctaj
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:43

I find that when people are actually open to experiencing God as a living being, they are more
apt to accept one another as brothers... all created beings are brothers in that God is our
father. When we see God that way, we cannot see each other as just "the Other"
anymore...we realize that inside we are all related. Of course, some don't need to relate to
God to realize our relatedness. Some are innately tuned into that fact. But psst, Ctaj,
confidentially, I think that is God's Spirit working in them...;)

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:39

Might as well welcome it. She sent a clear signal she was done talking along the previous lines.
Right or wrong?

`Ctaj
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:32

Change of subject noted and also welcomed. :)

I'll bet.

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:29

I differentiate between experiential knowledge of God and such comments as "I am sure my
church is the true church." People who have actually experienced God will always find a
kindred spirit with another who has likewise had an experience. Tying up our notion of God
too closely with the church with which we affiliate tells me, "That person does not know Him."

Change of subject noted and also welcomed. :)

*Coinkydink
In Response To Ya'll
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:20

I posted some notes on the alternative Rel1 by my husband, who is giving a lesson in a couple
of weeks at meeting about "Quaker Universalism"... It is not definative about ALL Quakers,
but shows that within our group there is a great difference of opinions about it. Differences are
tolerated in quite a open way within our group and disscussions seldom ever disintegrate into
fighting. The reason for that is that it is accepted that God's Spirit may speak to each of us on a
differnt level of understanding and that we can all still have fellowship in God's love.

Just thought you might enjoy reading the notes. :)

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:19

Seriously, we are all blessed with the ability to make whatever we want of our lives. We were
given a brain, and we are expected to use it. No God is going to do it for us.

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:16

God is still working on me. How about you?

Nah, He knows he can't improve on some of his best work.

GerryB.
In Response To CTAJ
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:14

Ok. So it was at 9:58. Hang me for seven minutes. I readily admit that I'm not perfect. God is
still working on me. How about you?

I'm out of here. Got other things to do.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:12

We all form our ideas from our experiences or our indoctrination. I think we've about beat that
dead horse into submission. That said, let me apply it to our ideas about God. Those who
experience God, know him exclusively from then on through their experience and are unlikely
to change their minds about God just because someone else comes along and says, "My
experience is more real than yours" or worse, says, "Your expereince of God is invalid,
because of what I believe the Bible says about it." or worse, says, "Your experience must be
of a different God, because it is differnt than mine."

Yes, you're right,,,I'm changing the subject...How clever of you to notice...:)

Murray
In Response To All
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 10:11

Was Gerry going to get frustrated whether I openly speculated about it or not? Was my
comment indicative of an "us vs them" mentality or a simple glimpse into the facts as they
actually were? Likewise, if Mormons actually are generally deceptive and treacherous in their
dealings, why would there be a problem in simply pointing it out? They sure have been doing a
dance on that polygamy thing.

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