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Date Posted: 11:32:58 04/28/02 Sun
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

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MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:15

As far as Fox being a universalist, forget it. He was only in the sense that you and I talked about
a day or two ago. That Christ is universal. You can't read Fox and come up with anything other
than the fact that He was a biblical Christian. He rules out the possibility of embracing
universalism by speaking specifically of God's call on his life to,"...bring people off from all the
world's religions, which are vain..."

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 22:02

Fox is not really a free thinker as I define it, which is basically a non-conformist almost for its
own sake. Fox was driven by a wild, almost unquenchable hunger and thirst for the Truth. This
put him at odds with the religionists of the day. But, I can say for a fact, that my pastor would
gladly yield his pulpit to such a man as this as He clearly walked in the Spirit and in the power of
God that we do, but not to this extent. Fox had it going on. I'm almost catching fire reading this
thing. And, to think this guy lived almost 400 years ago. What a fight Satan has put up to keep
others like him from emerging onto the scene.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 21:57

Gonna go hug on my husband... TTFN

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 21:49

As with protestants, there are many brands of Quakers...I have a theory as to why there are so
many divisions and it has to do with being free thinkers to begin with...if they hadn't been, why
would they ever have challenged the RC Church, which was practically the ruler of the world at
that time. So rebels at heart, they even rebel against themselves...;)

Anyway there are some quite evangelical Quakers...our group hasn't been, but I am one who is
going back that direction, slowly, of course... I have a lot of distrust and false indoctrination from
my years as a fundy to overcome ...I must allow the Spirit to lead.

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 21:31

Orthodox in my book. I am literally in the midst of doing a full reading of his autobiography and
am completely taken with the man and his beliefs. He believes exactly what I do, only better. I
could only wish to have the devotion the Lord Jesus Christ and his insight into the Scriptures,
which he, by his own hand, says, "They were very precious to me; for I was in that Spirit by
which they were given forth; and what the Lord opened in me I afterwards found was agreeable
to them."

This guy totally rocks and I dare say that he would also be tarred and feathered today -- in most
Quaker meeting houses.

dori
In Response To Stephen
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 21:19

God is everywhere. Christians follow Jesus's teachings about God, so God DOES have a lot to
do with Christianity--or at least He tries. As I said, you may find Him by meditating out in nature
a lot quicker than someone like ACNE will by poring over his Bible. His type of Christian
worships the Bible--not God and not Christ.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 21:15

George Fox was indeed a Christian, but orthodox? Hardly! He not only rebelled against the
Catholic church, but the Protestant reformation as well. His views were so radical at that time,
that he was tarred and feathered many times and eventually had to leave England for his own
safety. He taught that the Scripture was NOT our main access to God, but that every man could
have access by looking inward to the Inner Light of Christ in every soul... and by opening oneself
up to the Holy spirit. He challenged the need for priests and ministers and damnation fear tactics.
He dwelt on the Kingdom as an Earthly relationship as a child of God.

Stephen James
In Response To Dori
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 18:53

"Christianity (the belief in Christ as the son of God) has everything to do with God."

Christianity sure does try to have everything to do with God...they try. But that is not what I
said...I said, God does not have anything to do with Christianity. IMO.

Murray
In Response To Matthew 6:1-4
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 18:35

Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise
you have no reward from your Father in heaven. Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do
not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that
they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But when you
do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, that your
charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you
openly.

Murray
In Response To dori
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 18:31

Like I said, you are easily charmed.

Stephen James
In Response To Sim
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 18:28

And Sim is short for Simpleton...but we all knew that from the content of your posts.

Sim 2
In Response To Dori
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 18:01

Behave yourself, if you can.

HAY, I don't mind doing you favors, I even enjoy them "sometimes", Howsomever, this is one of
those times when you are asking a "little tooo much", knowing me, don't ya think???

ROFL.

dori
In Response To Sim
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 17:06

Don't forget Bullpucky! Hee hee... Looks like we're the only two around, eh? And I'm almost
outta here myself. I have a dinner to go to with my hubby. An office party... oh joy! *-) Maybe
I'll catch ya later tonight or tomorrow. Behave yourself, if you can.

dori
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 17:03

I read your post to me about Pragman and I am sitting here smiling at your pettiness. Let's see...
Pragman, the deceiver, had 7 children of his own, adopted his sister's 5 kids (one of them
disabled) when she died, was an Elder in his church, coached a boy's soccer team, and was
active in all his parish activities. Yeah, that side-winder suckered me in all right.

Praggie was the reason I started reading the Bible again. He and I talked privately on IM all the
time and he knew more about my faith then than I did. Geesh, Murray, take a look at yourself,
will you?

Sim 2
In Response To Stephen
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 17:00

I've final figured out what the IMO represents that you keep typing.

I.diot M.ind O.perating.

LOL

Sim 2
In Response To ctaj
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 16:57

While I rarely if ever use the term "HOGWASH," I do use such terms as absurd, ridiculous,
nonsense, etc. But then I always follow it with an explanation of my basis in using the term. You
should try doing the same.

"HOGWASH" and "HORSEFEATHERS".

Rofl.

dori
In Response To Stephen
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 16:48

Christianity (the belief in Christ as the son of God) has everything to do with God. It is the
people who don't follow what Christ taught, while calling themselves Christians, who have
nothing to do with God. You have met too many of them, I'm afraid. That's unfortunate because
there are many fine Christians out here. I've met some wonderful examples. Don't let the
wild-eyed radical ones, all full of hell-fire and damnation, alienate you totally from God. If you
can find Him through sitting on a rock in the woods, let Him in.

Stephen James
In Response To Murray
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 15:20

Since this is a religion forum, I figured the topic was experiencing God, not experiencing life in
general.

People who blame God for the actions of men and women calling themselves Christians are just
ignorant, IMO. God has nothing to do with Christianity. Or so my experience with God has
shown me...and as far as the subject of God goes, my personal experience is ALL that matters
to me, yours amounts to a pile of dung from my perspective...more so when you feel I should
"learn" something about God from your experience. That is when I begin laughing...

Murray
In Response To SJ
Saturday April 27, 2002 at 14:43

By your standards, if a person can base their life only on the experiences they have personally
had, a person who has gets ripped off by a black man should then view all black men with
suspicion and distrust.

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