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Date Posted: 12:39:05 04/22/02 Mon
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an environment relatively
free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be challenged and/or heavily debated.
Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any other PC forum totally distorts the original message
made, gives a biased slant and is inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the
intelligent choice. Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

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Sim 2
In Response To ctaj
Monday April 22, 2002 at 12:09

Mt 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned

Matthew isn't speaking his words either, they're GOD'S, as the "witness" will testify.

`Ctaj
In Response To Sim
Monday April 22, 2002 at 12:07

It's not my job to "defend" the word of God, it's his words, not mine

The bible isn't God's words any more than your words or my words are God's words. Saying they are doesn't
make them so.

`Ctaj
In Response To Sim
Monday April 22, 2002 at 12:05

GOD

Mt 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned

Matthew isn't God.

`Ctaj
In Response To Veracity
Monday April 22, 2002 at 12:04

Dr. Gange wrote, "I am not critical of anthropology, but I am critical of anthropologists that make sweeping
conclusions beyond the proper warrant of the data."

Then he turns around and makes the sweeping conclusion that because man is who he is, God did it.

Sim 2
In Response To ctaj
Monday April 22, 2002 at 12:02

Who gets to decide which of you is correct?

GOD

Mt 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

You can only "know the truth", when you "KNOW GOD", and your words "bear witness" to that "knowledge".

Sim 2
In Response To ctaj
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:59

I've listed a number of plausible alternatives to your bible story. Feel free to refute them.

It's not my job to "defend" the word of God, it's his words, not mine, so it's up to him to "keep his word" and do
what he says he'll do.

All I'm responsible for is "preaching the word", then you, and others, won't have an "excuse" on Judgment day.

Ya see, it isn't Me God ask you to believe but "HIM", the "HOLY GHOST" will bear witness to "ALL" the
"words of God" that are spoken, "THAT WITNESS" is the one you reject.

`Ctaj
In Response To Sim
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:57

Knowing what these symbols represents make the Bible easy to read/understand.

Revelation is full of symbolism. Cayce has interpretation of what the symbols mean, and you have yours. Who
gets to decide which of you is correct?

~Veracity~
In Response To TMS, Ctaj., et al
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:57

Interesting

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Reprise
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:56

Heck, all Catholics still claiming to be Catholic today are "cafeteria Catholics". Leastwasy I haven't heard that the
Pope has ordered Cardinal Law to resign, which means the Pope himself condones the shuttling of pedaphile
priests around America. Which means the Pope himself is condoning rape, child sexual abuse, and obstruction of
justice.

And if that's the case, no self-respecting person would continue their association with that Church.

.

Just in case you missed it the first time. Question: What is wrong with Catholics that they cannot quit such an evil
church? Are they blind? Or suckers?

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:54

Jesus as he was making his getaway to Asia, where he lived another 90 years, according to some accounts.

Hmmm...seems those accounts are no less reliable than the Bible myths, then. Jesus lived to be 120, eh? Shades
of Methuselah!

`Ctaj
In Response To Sim
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:53

Cayce knew as much about the Bible as you, which all adds up to "Nothing".

I've listed a number of plausible alternatives to your bible story. Feel free to refute them.

Sim 2
In Response To ctaj
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:51

Cayce knew as much about the Bible as you, which all adds up to "Nothing".

The symbols of the Bible and the "physical events", all describe a "Spiritual event/judgment".

Re 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell
upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Stars=angels,( fallen), fountain of water= doctrine.

Re 1:20 The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:

Re 21:6 I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Knowing what these symbols represents make the Bible easy to read/understand.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Ron B
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:50

Heck, all Catholics still claiming to be Catholic today are "cafeteria Catholics".

Here's one who's not.

Yes, you are. You are electing to stay with a church whose alleged spokesman for God is siding with rapists and
child molesters. YOU are therefore granting him, and thus them, your support.

I know you people like to weasel and dodge and do whatever it takes to avoid facing the truth, but I have a bad
habit of saying unpleasant things baldly.

Murray
In Response To A Modern Parable
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:46

THE DOG LOVERS CLUB

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:32

He met Christ in the encounter on the Damascus road.

Believing the rumors of Christ's death on the cross, Paul described his sighting of Jesus as a "vision." Equally
plausible, me met the resuscitated Jesus as he was making his getaway to Asia, where he lived another 90 years,
according to some accounts.

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:25

Paul was present at the crucifixion.

Where is that written? I doubt it, but even if he was, Jesus didn't know him, so Jesus couldn't have "chosen him"
to spread the gospel.

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:23

The Book of Revelation according to Cayce, for what it's worth.

GerryB.
Monday April 22, 2002 at 11:20

Paul was present at the crucifixion. He was in Jerusalem at that time as were Jews from most of the Roman
empire. He met Christ in the encounter on the Damascus road. He also spent time in Arabia after his conversion
where the Holy Spirit of God taught him as he reported in Galatians 1:17.

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Monday April 22, 2002 at 10:42

He was personally selected (as they all were) by Jesus Christ to be an Apostle.

Paul wrote more of the New Testament than any other apostle, yet Paul never knew Jesus. How did Jesus
"select" him?

dori
In Response To Gerry
Monday April 22, 2002 at 10:28

Sorry I didn't get back to you right away. I was down in the lab and the puter there was locked up while I was
trying to send you a post. I am sorry to hear about the cat. I know he was a nuisance, but I know you wouldn't
deliberately liberate him.

As for the Hawaii trip. Charlie convinced me it was too costly for me to go and reminded me we had seen all
there was to see when we spent 10 days there 20 years ago, but I also convinced him I get a trip next year!
Smile...

GerryB.
Monday April 22, 2002 at 10:25

Time for breakfast. I'm out of here. BBL GLW.

GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Monday April 22, 2002 at 10:14

I asked you to present some evidence for your claim of the senility of John. Do you have it in front of you yet? I'm
waiting to see it.

GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Monday April 22, 2002 at 10:12

To begin with John is not one of my idols. He was personally selected (as they all were) by Jesus Christ to be an
Apostle. I know that different preacher differ on the details of the end times prophecies. That is why I don't
depend on preachers for my information but, as Paul told us, "check all things by the scriptures." That plus the
guidance of the Holy Spirit assures that I get it right.

`Ctaj
In Response To Coinkydink
Monday April 22, 2002 at 10:02

I wouldn't worry about insulting John. The man was a lunatic. He stole his apocalypse story from the Assyrians,
and his multi-headed monster from The Hydra of Greek mythology. Apocalypse Then.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Gerry
Monday April 22, 2002 at 9:54

I'm sorry I insulted one of your idols, the disciple John. I have never believed any of the preachers who preached
about the end times...They all disagreed with each other and in my old church there was constant arguing over
who would go first and who would reign with Jesus, then that group of fanatics came up with their cabal to bring
about Armageddan...I just balk whenever I see or hear about any of it. It's a personla problem with me and not
meant to insult you or Sim. I'm sorry...I over-reacted and was rude.

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