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Date Posted: 12:52:54 04/22/02 Mon
Author: stored
Subject: R1

MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Murray
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:50

Yes. I finally got fed up with the Republicans and left, and many who haven't are still defending the indefensible.
Some people need to be prodded. And I am more than annoying enough to serve that function.

`Ctaj
In Response To Forum Regular
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:50

Really. I used Henry when Ctaj was blocked out, and I let everyone know who Henry was.

Forum Regular
In Response To Henry
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:49

Oh, really?

Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:48

Forum Irregular: If what you said was true, you wouldn't have to hide. You're a liar, and a coward, and I couldn't
care less what you "feel".

Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:48

Of course you will find nothing in Catholic Doctrine condoning child rape and homosexuality.

No. But clearly the Lord's devine representative in the flesh, the Pope himself, doesn't seem to think there's
anything wrong with it. It does appear that the main concern is how to keep the marks in line with their wallets
open.

Now, the Pope is The Church, and the Pope condones what's happened. That means The Church condones
what's happened (this has been going on in all dioceses for more than half a century). Therefore the problem is
with the Church, and the people remamining in it are now helping to perpetuate the problem.

Murray
In Response To TMS
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:47

I see your point. I can see, from your perspective, what you are talking about. Everything you say is correct and it
is a reasonable conclusion to reach that the best way the rank and file Catholic can bring about change is to vote
with their feet. Also, you are probably the type of person that makes your mind up about things very quickly and
doesn't look back. People that don't do that probably drive you nuts. Like it or not, the world is full of that type of
person. Many will, much to your chagrin, take a wait and see attitude because that's how they decide most things.
But, yes, you make excellent points and I have to agree with them. My style would be to withhold my offerings
and maybe pull back a little and see what develops. I actually did that once.

RonB
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:45

That's what you get when you base your society's system of morals and ethics on myths that most folks don't
really believe.

Actually, no. When religion was taken seriously in this country, our moral fiber was much stronger. Do you really
believe that our country is Christian in this day and age?

`Ctaj
In Response To Forum Regular
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:42

Coward.

RonB
In Response To Ten Megs
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:42

1) The so-called "True Church" (no truer, nor less, than any other, I agree) condones child rape and
homosexuality in act, while condemning it with words.

Of course you will find nothing in Catholic Doctrine condoning child rape and homosexuality. What you will find
are fallible men, unfortunately in the Church, more intent on protecting themselves and their pervert friends, then
on protecting the flock they are supposed to guard from the wolves. Keep watching. I think Cardinal Law's days
are numbered.

`Ctaj
In Response To RonB
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:41

the fact is that our society has gone to the dogs.

That's what you get when you base your society's system of morals and ethics on myths that most folks don't
really believe. Better they should be taught morals and ethics based on mutual self-interest in the here and now.
That applies to everyone, not just believers.

Forum Regular
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:41

Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:26

Here's some BS:

Boy, you can say that again! That's ALL we get from you!

RonB
In Response To Ten Megs
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:37

Crap. They've got cases and allegations of cases going back fifty and sixty years, well before the so-called
"sexual revolution".

While I agree that blame-shifting is simply a dodge to keep from accepting responsibility for their absolutely
inexcusable actions in this matter -- the fact is that our society has gone to the dogs. Would you deny that there
are more pedophiles in the society at large, and even in our schools and Protestant churches? This is not a
problem isolated in the Catholic Church. It is inexcusable that it is there, but Catholic Church is not the only place
where pedophiles prey on children.

Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:26

Here's some BS:

At St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York, Monsignor Eugene Clark talked about factors that have contributed
to the troubles with priests, including "homosexuality in seminaries."

He cited influence of the culture of the day and the "sex-saturated" society, and said Americans are
bombarded by images of "liberated sex all day long, all evening long."

Crap. They've got cases and allegations of cases going back fifty and sixty years, well before the so-called "sexual
revolution". Blaming their sickness on the rest of us is typical of alcoholic denial.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Murray
Monday April 22, 2002 at 14:18

[Monsignor Francis Maniscalco] said they would examine whether there was any situation where a
pedophile priest could continue in his ministry, such as in a chaplaincy for an old-age home.

I hear there's always openings for ministries in state prisons. Or is he discussing their post-release careers?
Somehow I don't think so.

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