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Date Posted: 10:04:21 04/24/02 Wed
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
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MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

Ten Megaton Solution
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 14:57

Reconcile "celibacy" with the command allegedly given Adam to be a fruit with a calculator.

dori
In Response To Stephen
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 14:53

Those priests betrayed their vows, betrayed the church, betrayed God and most of all
betrayed the sacred trust of their victims. May they rot in Hell.

Stephen James
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 14:35

"He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the
Lord"

Well, the Priests and Bishops of the Catholic Church sure showed this statement to completely
false. It seems more that the Unmarried shall careth for more for the bare skin of children
touching theirs...they probably consider kids to be things that "belong to the Lord" and in their
perverted minds they probably think what they do to children is "Love" and would therefore
please God.

The Church, The Bible and the Bible God have been hiding these pukes for decades...and ya
all claim to follow a "good and loving God"...nope, just more proof that the Bible is a work of
Evil disguised to fool the self-righteous into worship of it. IMO

dori
In Response To Gerry
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 14:26

The first was quoted from KJV, but here is the NIV version of that verse and the one that
made me say Jesus appears to support remaining celibate:

Matthew 19
12 For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by
men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who
can accept this should accept it."

dori
In Response To Jesus's words...
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 14:21

Matthew 19:12
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are
some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made
themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him
receive it.

`Ctaj
In Response To dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 14:18

1 Cor 7:39 - "The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be
dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord."

Let's see. The United States is supposedly 90%+ Christian, and some 40% of us are in second
marriages (or third or more). This doesn't compute.

`Ctaj
In Response To dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 14:12

Paul also wrote in 1 Cor 7:12-14, "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a
wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And
the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let
her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving
wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now they are holy."

Do you believe that?

dori
In Response To And another...
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 14:07

This one supports celibacy as a true service to the Lord...

1 Corinthians 7:32-33
But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong
to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of
the world, how he may please his wife.

`Ctaj
In Response To dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 14:06

It was Paul who wrote that in Corinthians, of course. So, he was expressing his own opinion,
not necessarily that of Jesus. How would he know what Jesus thought on the matter?

dori
In Response To Here ya go, Gerry
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 13:51

1 Corinthians 7:1,6-8
1: Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a
woman.
6: But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7: For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God,
one after this manner, and another after that.
8: I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

Murray
In Response To Gerry
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 13:49

The Scriptures Doris is talking about are in the same book you will find that believers are to be
called 'forgiven sinners.'

First Book Of Man's Traditions, Chapter 1

GerryB.
In Response To dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 13:21

RE: "There are scriptural references showing that Jesus favored celibacy in his followers,"

Oh really? I await those revelations by you, joyfully. It should be noted by all that there is
evidence that Peter was married and that even Paul may have had a wife at one point in his life.

Ten Megaton Solution
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 12:16

Yup. That's probably true. We should stop wasting the 3 billion on general principles, anyway.
I would say that one Jonathan Pollard is worth 3 Billion dollars times the number of years he's
been alive, and the Israelis haven't paid us back yet.

`Ctaj
In Response To Forum Regular
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 12:16

Oh, please, enlighten us all with your substantive contributions.

`Ctaj
In Response To Ten Megaton Solution
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 12:14

I surmise that if the Israelis were to withdraw from that region, accompanied by the $3 billion+
annual infusion of financial aid from the US, the average GDP per capita in the remaining
Palestine will rival that of Bangladesh and Somalia.

Forum Irregular
In Response To Forum Regular
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 12:13

It's easy to see why you're so regular, having to read stuff like this on a daily basis. ;)

Ten Megaton Solution
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 12:02

What you are proposing is exile.

No. Exile implies forced expulsion and denial of return. Any damn fool that wants to visit that
place of relics and primitive mysticism is more than welcome to.

It's not like the Israelis have any rights to that land, anyway.

Ten Megaton Solution
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 11:59

Now I know Gerry doesn't read my posts. He said Sim's presence raises the intellectual level
in here.

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 11:29

If for no other reason, they wouldn't take it -- reasoning that there's no guarantee that
they wouldn't have to fight off people wanting to take that from them or move them out of
there in the future.

In Nevada? Heck, there's nobody there but Timbuctoo and COTN and a few Indians.
Nobody important.

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 10:51

Did schmoly make it through the spell checker? grin

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 10:50

If for no other reason, they wouldn't take it -- reasoning that there's no guarantee that they
wouldn't have to fight off people wanting to take that from them or move them out of there in
the future. They would have other reasons to turn it down, of course, but this would be the
clincher in my book.

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 10:41

Holy land, schmoly land. It's dirt, Murray, that they're dying over. And after 2000 years of
wind, rain, and erosion, it ain't even the same dirt.

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 10:38

No, exile presupposes force and coercion. I'm saying, "if you want to live in peace, come here
-- we have a place for you. If you want to continue to fight to the death with your neighbors
over absurd notions of holy land, you're on your own."

`Ctaj
In Response To RonB
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 10:36

In the Eucharist, Jesus' Body, the Body he commanded that we eat if we wished for eternal
life, is present. Physical presence. His physical Body nourishes our spiritual lives.

Where does it say you have to offer bland soda crackers? If you folks offered nachos with
chicken or beef, some jalepenos and frijoles and a touch of sour cream, you'd double
attendance.

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 10:14

What you are proposing is exile.

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