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Date Posted: 10:06:34 04/24/02 Wed
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

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MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Wednesday April 24, 2002 at 8:18

If I were God, there would be no religions, only individual people in actual touch with me. I'd
consider the prayers of children a priority.

~Inquisitive~
In Response To Coinky
Wednesday April 24, 2002 at 8:17

God answers our prayers. If he hadn't heard mine I wouldn't be here today telling you.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Wednesday April 24, 2002 at 8:16

"You would think he'd have more of a conscience, wouldn't you?" No, that's the point...we
KNOW that he has no conscience and he is someone who should be taken out of power...but
you'd think in light of the sanction's failure to lead to that, our gov. would find a better way than
sanctions. Would a direct war on Iraq do it? I don't know and am not in a position to call for
war, but it couldn't kill more people than we are already doing. Killing children is one of the
things Jesus would be very angry about, based on his own words.

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Wednesday April 24, 2002 at 8:05

If you were in a position of delegating responsibility and had a person working for you, would
you answer that person's questions and help them as much as you could to get the job done?

Would you have that same level of obligation to a person who was not doing any work for
you?

dori
In Response To Coinky
Wednesday April 24, 2002 at 8:04

Yes, I pray that Saddam Hussein stops his evil practices which result in the death of many
innocents. You would think he'd have more of a conscience, wouldn't you?

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Wednesday April 24, 2002 at 7:49

I sometimes wonder if God answers individual prayer at all. It does seem like He's too busy
keeping the planets whirling in their places to bother with piddly things like a child's prayers.
What do you think?

*Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Wednesday April 24, 2002 at 7:46

" I just get livid when I think of people hurting children. It is an expression I use when I wish
the worst on someone evil--may they rot in Hell." Then perhaps you can begin to understand
why I oppose trade sanctions against Iraq, since it hasn't hurt saddam one bit, but continues to
kill children by the thousands every month. There has to be a better way to handle that
situation.

Murray
In Response To SJ
Wednesday April 24, 2002 at 6:03

Human beings are the only ones on the earth with physical hands to properly care for children
and physical feet to run to their side when they need help. Behind tragedies like this is one or
more individuals who did not fulfill their responsibilities. Find out who they are and blame it on
them. That's the way this world works.

Stephen James
In Response To Blame
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 21:45

I see no-one wishes to address my 15:34...no surprise. It seems all stretches of the imagination
are needed in order to ensure that "God" does not get the blame...

IMO the one who was in the best position to help those abused kids turned a blind eye, "God"
is just as guilty and deserving of Hell as any Priest, Bishop or Pope...

Ten Megaton Solution
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 19:19

I hear the Cardinals are getting together to figure out what to do about diddling priests.

1) Turn them over to the police.

2) Fire them.

Now that that's done, the cardinals can figure out how to spin it so it looks like they did
something useful when they come up with a plan that changes nothing and does not do steps 1
and 2.

~Inquisitive~
In Response To Dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 18:50

I'm on msn. :)

dori
In Response To Inq
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 18:44

No, I don't damn anyone to Hell. I never thought about it that way. I also don't say "damn
you" to anyone, because I know it's damning them to Hell. I just didn't realize I was saying the
same thing. 8-(

Murray
In Response To dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 18:31

I've got just the thing to express your disgust and revulsion. "Jesus forgave every rotten thing I
ever did, so I also forgive them."

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died
for us. (Romans 5:8)

~Inquisitive~
In Response To Dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 18:30

Sorry.:) I didn't see your post.

~Inquisitive~
In Response To Dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 18:26

Dori, will you continue to pray for my Dad knowing this?

It isn't our place to condemn someone to hell, hon.

dori
In Response To Murray and Inq
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 18:21

Okay okay! I take it back... smile. It really isn't up to me anyway, is it? I just get livid when I
think of people hurting children. It is an expression I use when I wish the worst on someone
evil--may they rot in Hell. If that is a bad thing for me to say, I'll think of some other way of
expressing my disgust and revulsion at them. Deal?

Murray
In Response To dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 18:14

I hope you're kidding about wishing hell on someone, but this is not a thing to kid about.

~Inquisitive~
In Response To Dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 18:08

Dori, I thought that way, too, until I forgave my Dad and uncle.
Took a long time, but I couldn't move on until I did.

dori
In Response To Inq and Murray
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 18:02

I not only think child molesters should rot in Hell, but I also include murderers and all who
brutalize. You do know that I am only voicing an opinion, right? This is not the Catholic
position on who should or should not rot in Hell. *-)

~Inquisitive~
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 16:12

Amen, Murray.

Murray
In Response To dori
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 16:00

"May they rot in Hell.

No, Doris. These are exactly the ones Jesus came for. The very worst cases. The most
abominable among us. The ones everyone else shuns. He came to heal them, to forgive them
and to set them free of their sin. May they all find that touch of his grace in their lives. May you.
For, truly we have all fallen short of the glory of God. It is only through Jesus that any of us
gets restored to right standing before God. Remember that Jesus said, "They that are whole
need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to
repentance."

Stephen James
In Response To Proof that Prayer is not heard....
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 15:34

How many THOUSANDS of young boys (some girls) do ya all think were saying the
following as a nightly prayer : "Dear Lord, please keep Father ___'s hands away from my
privates, I don't want a "special relationship" with him."... only to have the Priest abuse them
somemore.

Why did the BibleGod ignore these thousands of children??? What great lesson was he trying
to teach them...that Priests need lovin' too???

No, it is rather obvious the BibleGod heard nothing...Why? Why? Why?

Of course the alternative is to say he heard them just fine but choose to do nothing. And that
would be worse...IMO

Ten Megaton Solution
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 15:24

All religions seek to control the minds of their adherents. They usually do this by means of
regulating their basic urges, of which sex is the most powerful. The Catholic Church decided
that the added step of regulating the sex lives of the regulators to tighter standards would
permit it to impose greater control on the subject populations.

For the most part is has worked. How many molested children went unheard because of the
myth of Priestly Celibacy lent the violator unwarranted protection?

dori
In Response To Inquisitive
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 15:17

I don't think you can say he advocated it above celibacy except in the case of marriage being
necessary to keep people from being adulterous. The scriptures I quoted are ambiguous and
do not demand celibacy, but make the point that it is a high calling to do so and not for
everyone. I myself do not think it is called for. It's unnatural.

As to your point about it being not being made church law by God, I can't argue with you. It is
the interpretation of the leaders of my church that it was considered the highest form of service
to God.
See ya later. Time to teach my class!

~Inquisitive~
Tuesday April 23, 2002 at 15:04

Before Christ mentioned about the eunuch's, He had this to say to the Pharisees

Matthew 19: 4-6
he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning
made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and
they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let
not man put asunder.

Christ advocated marriage before celibacy. It was also left to the individual to remain celibate,
not a law of the church.

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