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Subject: voice classification


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Date Posted: 01:09:47 02/01/04 Sun
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THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FEMALE VOICES

SOUBRETTE

Soubrette- Young singers. Timbre: light voice, best in middle voice, no extensive coloratura. Range: between C4 and G5.
(Britney Spears, Mandy Moore; most probably, but it might be because they don't have much training.)

SOPRANOS

Highest female voice. Range from E3 to F6

1) COLORATURA. Timbre: Light voice; can sing through scale, hold notes or jump octaves very easily. Range: from around E3 to F6 in full voice.

--(Piccolo) coloratura: The lightest and sweetest voice, they have great agility and the hability to do high and fast melissmas. A pure coloratura can hit C7 in full voice (super-head voice).
(Minnie Riperton, Lamya, Arianna)
--Lyric coloratura: slightly stronger voice than piccolo but not heavy, still high, agile and sweet. They can usually sing up to B-b6.
(Shanice, Angela Via, Debelah Morgan)
--Dramatic coloratura: They are considered "weird sopranos" and are the hardest to find. Their vocal chords are so special that have the power and stamina of a dramatic soprano when singing over large orchestras, and also the range and agility of a coloratura. Their voices are heavier and stronger than a lyric coloratura and lyric soprano but with the hability to hold notes longer. Their upper note is about B-b6 too.
(Mariah Carey, Maria Callas, (opera singer),



2) LYRIC SOPRANO: Timbre: beautiful, bright and crystal clear tone like coloratura's, but stronger. Range shorter..about E3 to C6 in full voice. 70% of women are lyric soprano.
(Linda Eder, Emma Shapplin, Lara Fabian, Sarah Brightman, Jessica Simpson, Regine Velasquez etc)

3) SPINTO SOPRANO: Edgier sound and stronger voice, with more weight than lyric soprano...can hold notes for a longer time without any vibratto. Range about E3 to C6 in full voice.
(Christina Aguilera, Rachel Lampa)

4) DRAMATIC SOPRANO: Heaviest and most powerful soprano voice; They have more stamina to sing over large orchestras. Tessitura is lower than other sopranos. Range E3 to C6
(Taylor Dayne, Anastacia).


MEZZOS SOPRANOS

Literally "medium soprano" or middle female voice. With tessitura about a minor third lower than the lyric soprano. Timbre: very soulful, dark, smoky. Range is about C3 to B-b5

--Lyric Mezzo or LeggieroMezzo: Lighter mezzo voice, range up to B below high C.
(Celine Dion)

--Dramatic Mezzo or HendelMezzo: same range as lyric mezzo, but fuller sound, powerful.
(Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston, Beyonce)


CONTRALTOS

Or also called just ALTO...The lowest female voice. Their voice are dark and deep, fairly rare. They can sing in the range of tenor or counter tenor, from about E3 or D3 to E5.
(India Arie, Rachelle Ferrell, Toni Braxton, Anita Baker, Traci Chapman).


MALE VOICES

TENOR

High Male Voice. Timbre: Light, colorful, and flexible. Range C (below middle C) to E above high C.

--Tenor Leggiero or Countertenor - Highest male voice; often refered to as "alto". Timbre: Light and sweet voice with very high range.
--Lyric Tenor - Strong, but not heavy lyrical voice. Range up to high C (which is one octave below the soprano high C)
--Spinto or Heroic- range up to high B with stronger and more full voice.

--Dramatic Tenor or Heldentenor- A loud, thick voiced tenor with tremendous stamina, and a lower tessitura than the other tenors. Range up to high A (below high C).

BARITONE

Middle Male Voice, Timbre: thick, rich, and creamy. Range low G to B natural just below the Tenor high C.

--Lyric baritone- Higher tessitura (average height of pitch within a piece), and very close to a Helden Tenor in vocal timbre, but with a lower tessitura. Range to G or A below high C.
--Cavalier
--Dramatic Baritone or Character - Stronger and fuller voice. More like a bass than a baritone, lacks the low bass notes. Lower tessitura with range to G below high C.
-Wagnerian

BASS

Low Male Voice. Timbre: dark, heavy, and voluminous. Range low E to G above middle C.

--Bass-Baritone: Right between Baritone and Bass. Often can sing Wagner Baritone roles, but with a slightly darker vocal timbre.
--Basso Buffo: The word "buffo" means fool, or clown. The comic relief of the opera world. Usually a voice of indeterminate range but with enormous personality and range of colors.
--Basso Cantante - High bass voice suitable for solo singing, Able to move through runs, but with real depth to tone. Range from low F to high F (2 octave split).
--Basso Profundo or Heavy Bass - Lowest voice. Timbre: dark and deep bass voice with an unusual extension the bottom. -Range from low E to E below high C (2 octave split).

TERMS YOU HAVE TO KNOW

- Octave (The piano keyboard has a total of 52 "white keys" or 7 octaves. So each octave correspond to 8 notes...In other words, an octave is an scale of 8 notes starting from any note up to 7 notes above -being that the eight notes has twice as many vibrations as the starting note-... Usually people count octaves from C to C but it can be counted from any note up or down. How many octaves a person can have? let's say more than 2 is unusual. Professional singers with lots of training sometimes develop some 2.5 or even 3 octave range and that's to say a lot.)

-Vocal Timbre (The tone "color" of an instrument, voice, or
register. Vocally, it's the traits that are found in the voices belonging to a certain fach. Example: a mezzo have a "dark and smoky" timbre)

-Vocal Tessitura (The overall range of an instrumental or,
more commonly, a vocal part. Example: The overall range of a mezzo soprano or "tessitura" is lower than a lyric soprano... A singer's tessitura is also defined as the most "comfortable" part of their total range, or the one they usually sing in)

- Notes / Musical Notes (There's 7... C D E F G A B...and then C again; "do re mi fa sol la si...do")

- Soprano (The terms means: The highest female voice)

- Coloratura (is the ability to sing in very fast and high "melissmas")

- Melissmas (Playing with phrases...let's say ad-lib, vamping, frills)

- Piccolo (Means light and small in Italian)

- Lyric tone ("Feminine" and sweet tessiture in voice)

- Dramatic Tone (More heavy, powerful and maybe soulful tone in voice).

- Types of soprano (From highest to lowest...soprano coloratura, soprano lyric, soprano spinto, soprano dramatic)

- Mezzo or Mezzo Soprano (Middle female voice)

- Numbers in notes (Give the octave in which the note is on the piano. Tenor sings between the 3rd and the 4rd octave...sopranos sing between the 3rd, 4rd and 5th octave (E3 to B-b5 for ex)...few soprano sing in the 6th..and even fewer in the 7th octave..but it's extremely rare in the world).

- Octave Jumping (To jump from one octave to the next...from let's say...G4 to G5 without changing the dynamic of the voice...what Whitney does in "I believe in you and me" and other type of octave jumping is what Mariah does at the end of "Emotions", jumping two octaves from G4 to G6 in the first 2 high notes).

- High ass notes :-) (Anything higher than B-b5; beyond this note, the human voice automatically switches in "super-head" voice; which resembles those whistle sounding notes Mariah does in "Dreamlover")

- Pitch (the ability to match exactly the note that is emited on any note that is played on the piano. There are two ways of not being on pitch: Being "flat" means the note has not been reached, because it's slightly lower...Or, if the note sung is slightly higher, it means one is "sharp".)

- Key of a song (often, though not always, reflected by the first note or chord of the song.)

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[> Subject: where doees lani m belong?


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where does lani m belong?

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[> [> Subject: Maybe in all the catagories. lol.


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>where does lani m belong?


In a good show band.
But this time take center stage.

;-)

Just kidding around.

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>where does lani m belong?

BAKA SA TENOR SIYA O BARITONE! HAHAHA! JOKE, JOKE, JOKE!

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[> Subject: Re: voice classification


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I have not posted here in a very long time due to an incident that I will now overlook to comment on this article. There are too many errors here that I do not know where to begin. Maria Callas having b6, carey a dramatic soprano - HUH!!!! What the ####!!! Yes, Callas was a dramatic soprano, but she did not have a b6, even an f6 was extremely rare if ever done at all. Carey a dramatic soprano, come on! She does not have the vocal weight. Dramatic soprano means BIG as IN REALLY BIG, capable of singing over a 100 piece orchestra without the aid of a mic and the vocal weight - think birgit nilsson for example, that was a dramatic soprano!

I wont even go to counter-tenors. There are men out there who can sing higher than most female singers - male sopranos! and britney spears being a soubrette, let alone a soprano - that is laughable! I haven't heard her sing the c above middle c.

You want to know about voices, then read about it somewhere else and not this clap-trap of an article that someone posted!











>THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FEMALE VOICES
>
>SOUBRETTE
>
>Soubrette- Young singers. Timbre: light voice, best in
>middle voice, no extensive coloratura. Range: between
>C4 and G5.
>(Britney Spears, Mandy Moore; most probably, but it
>might be because they don't have much training.)
>
>SOPRANOS
>
>Highest female voice. Range from E3 to F6
>
>1) COLORATURA. Timbre: Light voice; can sing through
>scale, hold notes or jump octaves very easily. Range:
>from around E3 to F6 in full voice.
>
>--(Piccolo) coloratura: The lightest and sweetest
>voice, they have great agility and the hability to do
>high and fast melissmas. A pure coloratura can hit C7
>in full voice (super-head voice).
>(Minnie Riperton, Lamya, Arianna)
>--Lyric coloratura: slightly stronger voice than
>piccolo but not heavy, still high, agile and sweet.
>They can usually sing up to B-b6.
>(Shanice, Angela Via, Debelah Morgan)
>--Dramatic coloratura: They are considered "weird
>sopranos" and are the hardest to find. Their vocal
>chords are so special that have the power and stamina
>of a dramatic soprano when singing over large
>orchestras, and also the range and agility of a
>coloratura. Their voices are heavier and stronger than
>a lyric coloratura and lyric soprano but with the
>hability to hold notes longer. Their upper note is
>about B-b6 too.
> (Mariah Carey, Maria Callas, (opera singer),
>
>
>
>2) LYRIC SOPRANO: Timbre: beautiful, bright and
>crystal clear tone like coloratura's, but stronger.
>Range shorter..about E3 to C6 in full voice. 70% of
>women are lyric soprano.
>(Linda Eder, Emma Shapplin, Lara Fabian, Sarah
>Brightman, Jessica Simpson, Regine Velasquez etc)
>
>3) SPINTO SOPRANO: Edgier sound and stronger voice,
>with more weight than lyric soprano...can hold notes
>for a longer time without any vibratto. Range about E3
>to C6 in full voice.
>(Christina Aguilera, Rachel Lampa)
>
>4) DRAMATIC SOPRANO: Heaviest and most powerful
>soprano voice; They have more stamina to sing over
>large orchestras. Tessitura is lower than other
>sopranos. Range E3 to C6
>(Taylor Dayne, Anastacia).
>
>
>MEZZOS SOPRANOS
>
>Literally "medium soprano" or middle female voice.
>With tessitura about a minor third lower than the
>lyric soprano. Timbre: very soulful, dark, smoky.
>Range is about C3 to B-b5
>
>--Lyric Mezzo or LeggieroMezzo: Lighter mezzo voice,
>range up to B below high C.
>(Celine Dion)
>
>--Dramatic Mezzo or HendelMezzo: same range as lyric
>mezzo, but fuller sound, powerful.
>(Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston, Beyonce)
>
>
>CONTRALTOS
>
>Or also called just ALTO...The lowest female voice.
>Their voice are dark and deep, fairly rare. They can
>sing in the range of tenor or counter tenor, from
>about E3 or D3 to E5.
>(India Arie, Rachelle Ferrell, Toni Braxton, Anita
>Baker, Traci Chapman).
>
>
>MALE VOICES
>
>TENOR
>
>High Male Voice. Timbre: Light, colorful, and
>flexible. Range C (below middle C) to E above high C.
>
>--Tenor Leggiero or Countertenor - Highest male voice;
>often refered to as "alto". Timbre: Light and sweet
>voice with very high range.
>--Lyric Tenor - Strong, but not heavy lyrical voice.
>Range up to high C (which is one octave below the
>soprano high C)
>--Spinto or Heroic- range up to high B with stronger
>and more full voice.
>
>--Dramatic Tenor or Heldentenor- A loud, thick voiced
>tenor with tremendous stamina, and a lower tessitura
>than the other tenors. Range up to high A (below high
>C).
>
>BARITONE
>
>Middle Male Voice, Timbre: thick, rich, and creamy.
>Range low G to B natural just below the Tenor high C.
>
>--Lyric baritone- Higher tessitura (average height of
>pitch within a piece), and very close to a Helden
>Tenor in vocal timbre, but with a lower tessitura.
>Range to G or A below high C.
>--Cavalier
>--Dramatic Baritone or Character - Stronger and fuller
>voice. More like a bass than a baritone, lacks the low
>bass notes. Lower tessitura with range to G below high
>C.
>-Wagnerian
>
>BASS
>
>Low Male Voice. Timbre: dark, heavy, and voluminous.
>Range low E to G above middle C.
>
>--Bass-Baritone: Right between Baritone and Bass.
>Often can sing Wagner Baritone roles, but with a
>slightly darker vocal timbre.
>--Basso Buffo: The word "buffo" means fool, or clown.
>The comic relief of the opera world. Usually a voice
>of indeterminate range but with enormous personality
>and range of colors.
>--Basso Cantante - High bass voice suitable for solo
>singing, Able to move through runs, but with real
>depth to tone. Range from low F to high F (2 octave
>split).
>--Basso Profundo or Heavy Bass - Lowest voice. Timbre:
>dark and deep bass voice with an unusual extension the
>bottom. -Range from low E to E below high C (2 octave
>split).
>
>TERMS YOU HAVE TO KNOW
>
>- Octave (The piano keyboard has a total of 52 "white
>keys" or 7 octaves. So each octave correspond to 8
>notes...In other words, an octave is an scale of 8
>notes starting from any note up to 7 notes above
>-being that the eight notes has twice as many
>vibrations as the starting note-... Usually people
>count octaves from C to C but it can be counted from
>any note up or down. How many octaves a person can
>have? let's say more than 2 is unusual. Professional
>singers with lots of training sometimes develop some
>2.5 or even 3 octave range and that's to say a lot.)
>
>-Vocal Timbre (The tone "color" of an instrument,
>voice, or
>register. Vocally, it's the traits that are found in
>the voices belonging to a certain fach. Example: a
>mezzo have a "dark and smoky" timbre)
>
>-Vocal Tessitura (The overall range of an instrumental
>or,
>more commonly, a vocal part. Example: The overall
>range of a mezzo soprano or "tessitura" is lower than
>a lyric soprano... A singer's tessitura is also
>defined as the most "comfortable" part of their total
>range, or the one they usually sing in)
>
>- Notes / Musical Notes (There's 7... C D E F G A
>B...and then C again; "do re mi fa sol la si...do")
>
>- Soprano (The terms means: The highest female voice)
>
>- Coloratura (is the ability to sing in very fast and
>high "melissmas")
>
>- Melissmas (Playing with phrases...let's say ad-lib,
>vamping, frills)
>
>- Piccolo (Means light and small in Italian)
>
>- Lyric tone ("Feminine" and sweet tessiture in voice)
>
>- Dramatic Tone (More heavy, powerful and maybe
>soulful tone in voice).
>
>- Types of soprano (From highest to lowest...soprano
>coloratura, soprano lyric, soprano spinto, soprano
>dramatic)
>
>- Mezzo or Mezzo Soprano (Middle female voice)
>
>- Numbers in notes (Give the octave in which the note
>is on the piano. Tenor sings between the 3rd and the
>4rd octave...sopranos sing between the 3rd, 4rd and
>5th octave (E3 to B-b5 for ex)...few soprano sing in
>the 6th..and even fewer in the 7th octave..but it's
>extremely rare in the world).
>
>- Octave Jumping (To jump from one octave to the
>next...from let's say...G4 to G5 without changing the
>dynamic of the voice...what Whitney does in "I believe
>in you and me" and other type of octave jumping is
>what Mariah does at the end of "Emotions", jumping two
>octaves from G4 to G6 in the first 2 high notes).
>
>- High ass notes :-) (Anything higher than B-b5;
>beyond this note, the human voice automatically
>switches in "super-head" voice; which resembles those
>whistle sounding notes Mariah does in "Dreamlover")
>
>- Pitch (the ability to match exactly the note that is
>emited on any note that is played on the piano. There
>are two ways of not being on pitch: Being "flat" means
>the note has not been reached, because it's slightly
>lower...Or, if the note sung is slightly higher, it
>means one is "sharp".)
>
>- Key of a song (often, though not always, reflected
>by the first note or chord of the song.)
>
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>Articles by: Prince_Of_Pop; edited

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[> [> Subject: Re: what??


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what i don't get is why this post is so arrogant! i think the article's main purpose was to explain voices not to make banners for artists. so please don't take yourself so seriously! ... to the person who posted the original article, thank you very much that was really educational. loosen up, lighten up! sheesh. the person was nice enough to post an informative article. i don't understand why people are so touchy in these posts!!

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hindi ka ba nagbabasa? Mariah is definitely not a "dramatic soprano" kasi dramatic "coloratura" soprano siya.

>--Dramatic coloratura: They are considered "weird
>sopranos" and are the hardest to find. Their vocal
>chords are so special that have the power and stamina
>of a dramatic soprano when singing over large
>orchestras, and also the range and agility of a
>coloratura. Their voices are heavier and stronger than
>a lyric coloratura and lyric soprano but with the
>hability to hold notes longer. Their upper note is
>about B-b6 too.
> (Mariah Carey, Maria Callas, (opera singer),


ang definition ng dramatic soprano
>4) DRAMATIC SOPRANO: Heaviest and most powerful
>soprano voice; They have more stamina to sing over
>large orchestras. Tessitura is lower than other
>sopranos. Range E3 to C6
>(Taylor Dayne, Anastacia).

o diba? "weird soprano" siya at napakahirap makatagpo ng ganitong boses. So magbasa ka nga muna palibhasa puro yabang ka e!

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Date Posted: 11:47:00 02/03/04 Tue
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mariah carey is not a dramatic coloratura. She wont even be considered a legit coloratura. her voice is thin, raspy and very airy - no firm sound, very brittle! Yes, her high notes are impressive, but her sound is chopped.

And I am not bragging, but merely telling everyone here that the information given is flawed and not be taken too seriously as if it were the bible. Anastacia a dramatic, that is just stupid!

These vocal classification, in most cases, does not apply to pop singers due to range limit. Although, there are also pop singers who defy classification - carey, for instance. She is not a legit coloratura, but certainly capable of the high notes. and her natural voice is actually a firm alto.

So before you try to tell me that I am bragging, please consider that I am just giving out information as well, since I find the article to be flawed and just wanted to tell fellow music lovers and reginians that the article is far from perfect and that they should read it knowing that it isn't perfect - that singers listed in the article were assigned to vocal categories without basis. That is all.

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Date Posted: 18:29:50 02/03/04 Tue
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Why do we have to believe you Ivan?
Why do we have to believe the first post anyway?

The problem is you(Ivan) are s000000000 good!???

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Date Posted: 10:52:39 02/04/04 Wed
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JJ and to anyone else,

You do not have to believe me at all. All I want is for the truth to come out, and I noticed factual errors and vocal classification errors, so I thought it would be best to give warning to music and regine fans.

Jun is correct that I do not take mistakes lightly, especially when they pertain to music, and since I love music and care that people should get the right information, not something that is obviously flawed, I posted a comment that some people construed as arrogant, and for that I apologize. I do not come here to brag but to share information - that is all.

Also, I have to say that there are some merits to the information in the article like the general vocal categories, but the naming of the singers and the placing of them to vocal sections are somewhat questionable.

And the one concerning counter-tenors being male altos or equivalent to female altos is not entirely true, for there are many male sopranos out there, capable of singing high soprano parts, even coloraturas. I can give you recordings of a man singing up to a G6 and holding it for quite a long time - very impressive.

Good day

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Date Posted: 02:00:00 02/05/04 Thu
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o sige na nga, mababa ang boses ni Mariah at bass lang siya. o ayan masaya ka na!! at si regine mas mataas pa sa range ng piano. o ayan ha sana naman makuntento ka na. Naiinggit ka lang sa katotohanan na napakaspecial ng voice ni Mariah dahil kaya niyang mag-alto at magcoloratura na talagang pulido sa kahit sino mang singer dyan. Kaya nga e pansin ko lang ha sa mga posting mo si Mariah lang ang tinutuligsa mo. Hindi ka ba nagtataka kung bakit lyric si Regine? Para sa akin ay dapat wala siya dahil hindi naman siya legit. Hindi legit ang "tili" niya. O sige nga patunayan mong mali ang posting sa taas. Hoy bakla ka, pa male male soprano ka pa dyan e ang soprano ay sa babae, baka ikaw ang mali. Mariah's voice, manipis at alto? Listen to her subtle invitation song. pakinggan mo sa latter part ng kanta, at sabihin mong alto at weak ito. Ewan ko ba kung bakit hindi mo matanggap na mataas talaga at malawak ang range ni Mariah. Sa totoo lang ha mas mataas ng 2 octaves ang voice niya sa pinamataas na voice ng soprano(opera). So kung hindi ka parin maniwala magpakamatay ka na lang.!!!

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Date Posted: 02:09:31 02/05/04 Thu
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talagang napaghahalataan na feeling mo napakaperfect mo. Sinabi mong hindi perfect ang article. So meaning nariyan ka na dapat paniwalaan kasi perfect ka, ganun ba yon? Hoy sa tono ng pananalita mo, naiinggit at insecure ka dahil hindi na classify si regine sa coloratura. aminin mo at pa warning warning ka pa sa mga reginians. Hay naku feeling talaga! E kung na classify si regine sa coloratura, alam ko abot abot ang ngiti mo sa batok at sasabihin mong perfect ang article. Talagang Pilipino ka nga.

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Date Posted: 10:35:18 02/05/04 Thu
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G7#,

if you read my earlier post, I said that Mariah defies classification because she can both sing really really high, but her natural singing voice is a firm alto as well - get my point? She can sing both coloratura high notes while her natural voice is a firm alto.

As for Regine, I adore regine but I would not consider her a coloratura soprano nor a legit soprano, that is why I also mentioned that this vocal categorization isn't meant for pop singers for the most part. But I do consider Regine to be a great singer, and putting her in the coloratura fach when in fact she is not won't make me happy and grin from ear to ear like what you mentioned. I dont think I am perfect and that is not the point here.

What I am trying to do is put some light into some information, and I also mentioned that the article is not completely without merit.

And yes, I am filipino and proud to be one, and I am proud of our talented singers, but that does not prevent me from liking other artist even more even if they are foreigners.

Lea Salonga, along with Regine, happens to be my favorite pinoy singer, and yet I consider Lea to be an Alto, and it does not sadden me a bit. She has a lovely voice no matter what her vocal range is.

We all have our favorites, but that should not make any of us ridicule people for choosing someone we don't like.



>mo. Sinabi mong hindi perfect ang article. So meaning
>nariyan ka na dapat paniwalaan kasi perfect ka, ganun
>ba yon? Hoy sa tono ng pananalita mo, naiinggit at
>insecure ka dahil hindi na classify si regine sa
>coloratura. aminin mo at pa warning warning ka pa sa
>mga reginians. Hay naku feeling talaga! E kung na
>classify si regine sa coloratura, alam ko abot abot
>ang ngiti mo sa batok at sasabihin mong perfect ang
>article. Talagang Pilipino ka nga.

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Date Posted: 03:24:47 02/06/04 Fri
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>G7#,
>
>if you read my earlier post, I said that Mariah defies
>classification because she can both sing really really
>high, but her natural singing voice is a firm alto as
>well - get my point? She can sing both coloratura high
>notes while her natural voice is a firm alto.
>
Huwag ka ng magpalusot, talagang mariah basher ka. Ang sabi mo pa nga e weak ang voice niya. talaga lang ha?!? E si Charlotte church diba soprano yon. Yung kanta niyang o holy night e wala ngang stamina e. Parang nanglalantang gulay. at oo legit soprano nga siya.
sa tono ng mga earlier post mo ay hindi ka ganyan kaamo.
So kung hindi para sa pang-pop yang classification na yan. paano mo maclaclasify ang mga boses ng mga pop singers?

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ivan
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Date Posted: 10:08:32 02/06/04 Fri
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G7#,

Charlotte Church is TRYING TO BE a Soprano, and she isn't all that good either. She is way too young, the voice still needs a lot to learn. Her high notes are thin and airy, not really fully developed yet. She is also very mannered.

Yes, I said that Mariah's high notes are thin and airy and chopped, but I also said that she sings really high and very low. I am not bashing Mariah for the sake of Bashing her. I can see that you idolize her and feel threatened that your DIVA is not what its cracked up to be.

I have nothing against Mariah; she is a lovely woman and a good singer, but she is not above reproach as a singer. Like many singers, she has her strong points and flaws. I like her and in fact have several of her earlier albums, but I won't be as maniacal about my adoration for her like you do.

My god, you hurl insults at me as if I am attacking you personally. I am not attacking you personally and neither should you attack me.

How would I classify pop singers. Males are easy to classify, because they all fall under the male vocal categories easily base on range. The women are tricky because you need to hear how far their ranges are. Often times, they sing songs that do not show their full range.
Personally, I would ask them to vocalize for me to put them in categories and how comfortable they are in singing certain high notes, because you need to factor in comfort to be able to classify one's voice.

For example, I can sing a C above middle C, and that puts me in the TENOR category, but I don't feel comfortable sustaining that note for a long period of time. I can sustain a B, a note below the C. Plus, my vocal texture is that of a baritone. I don't sound like a tenor but a baritone, but I have the range of a tenor, but my voice is too young to be considered a Dramatic Tenor because I don't have the full weight of the voice yet. it will come as I get older.

In closing, think what you want and say what you want. But remember that I am not here to bash any singer in particular. So chill. I don't hate Mariah. I like her and often TRY to sing her songs when im at a Karaoke place. You can ask my opinion about certain singers and I will give you my honest answer. There is no such thing as a perfect singer. All of them have flaws!


>Huwag ka ng magpalusot, talagang mariah basher ka. Ang
>sabi mo pa nga e weak ang voice niya. talaga lang
>ha?!? E si Charlotte church diba soprano yon. Yung
>kanta niyang o holy night e wala ngang stamina e.
>Parang nanglalantang gulay. at oo legit soprano nga
>siya.
> sa tono ng mga earlier post mo ay hindi ka ganyan
>kaamo.
> So kung hindi para sa pang-pop yang classification na
>yan. paano mo maclaclasify ang mga boses ng mga pop
>singers?

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g7#
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Date Posted: 15:48:01 02/06/04 Fri
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>G7#,
>
>Charlotte Church is TRYING TO BE a Soprano, and she
>isn't all that good either. She is way too young, the
>voice still needs a lot to learn. Her high notes are
>thin and airy, not really fully developed yet. She is
>also very mannered.
>
>Yes, I said that Mariah's high notes are thin and airy
>and chopped, but I also said that she sings really
>high and very low. I am not bashing Mariah for the
>sake of Bashing her. I can see that you idolize her
>and feel threatened that your DIVA is not what its
>cracked up to be.
>
>I have nothing against Mariah; she is a lovely woman
>and a good singer, but she is not above reproach as a
>singer. Like many singers, she has her strong points
>and flaws. I like her and in fact have several of her
>earlier albums, but I won't be as maniacal about my
>adoration for her like you do.
>
>My god, you hurl insults at me as if I am attacking
>you personally. I am not attacking you personally and
>neither should you attack me.
>
>How would I classify pop singers. Males are easy to
>classify, because they all fall under the male vocal
>categories easily base on range. The women are tricky
>because you need to hear how far their ranges are.
>Often times, they sing songs that do not show their
>full range.
>Personally, I would ask them to vocalize for me to put
>them in categories and how comfortable they are in
>singing certain high notes, because you need to factor
>in comfort to be able to classify one's voice.
>
>For example, I can sing a C above middle C, and that
>puts me in the TENOR category, but I don't feel
>comfortable sustaining that note for a long period of
>time. I can sustain a B, a note below the C. Plus, my
>vocal texture is that of a baritone. I don't sound
>like a tenor but a baritone, but I have the range of a
>tenor, but my voice is too young to be considered a
>Dramatic Tenor because I don't have the full weight of
>the voice yet. it will come as I get older.
>
>In closing, think what you want and say what you want.
>But remember that I am not here to bash any singer in
>particular. So chill. I don't hate Mariah. I like her
>and often TRY to sing her songs when im at a Karaoke
>place. You can ask my opinion about certain singers
>and I will give you my honest answer. There is no such
>thing as a perfect singer. All of them have flaws!
>
>
>>Huwag ka ng magpalusot, talagang mariah basher ka. Ang
>>sabi mo pa nga e weak ang voice niya. talaga lang
>>ha?!? E si Charlotte church diba soprano yon. Yung
>>kanta niyang o holy night e wala ngang stamina e.
>>Parang nanglalantang gulay. at oo legit soprano nga
>>siya.
>> sa tono ng mga earlier post mo ay hindi ka ganyan
>>kaamo.
>> So kung hindi para sa pang-pop yang classification na
>>yan. paano mo maclaclasify ang mga boses ng mga pop
>>singers?

about the range of regine, how wide is her octaves?
same to Christina, Celine and others singers (including males) you think who have this belting capability.
BTW how would you know if the voice sounds thin and choppy?

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ivan
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Date Posted: 00:00:22 02/08/04 Sun
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G7#,

I would not know their actual ranges since I have not heard them vocalize, but I have heard that Christina had difficulty producing an E above C above middle C. I have heard regine sing an F above the C above middle C.

You have to consider that a lot of women cannot belt that high, usually they sing C to D as their top belting notes.

When I say thin, I mean they sound like TILI-ING. As for chopped, I mean not being able to sing a musical phrase in one breath. In some cases, it means the voice actually stopping while still singing.

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Author:
mmJun- word w/ & wise & unwise
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Date Posted: 06:29:01 02/04/04 Wed
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A music fan posted:
>what i don't get is why this post is so arrogant?


Jun thinks:

I think that happens alot. When you get smart people
posting their information in a forum board like this
with alot of the more educated masa side posting?
They tend to get annoyed with the sharing of music
information they know is dead wrong.

Since they are kind of like 'experts' in their fields.
Ivan was being accused of the very same thing when he
was first posting before. He's gotten a good hang of
it since. Look, he even got himself a fan there. lol..

So to the so-so and more educated masa types out there
who are smarter than the average masa posting please
have some patience with those who seemed arrogant with
their postings WHEN IT SOUNDS CORRECT. Because
that's just the way they are. And we want to be educated with
the right information, right? Its the message we seek.
Not the messenger giving it. Soon as we all learn to
understand and deal with that kind of peoblem we have
the sooner we can have the real world open up for us
to appreciate more and learn from.

We have got to stop looking at personalities and start
looking at character. Or else we will all be at the
mercy of those who do not know but know how to charm
us. And that's probably where the country is right now
politically.

I'm always trying hard to grab a person's message
rather that looking on how the person is giving it.
Because we will not like the way the best and smartest
people want to share it with us. We won't. Its just the
way they are. And they'll never truly understand the
way we are. And since they got what we want its us who
should make the adjustment for them. And hopefully
remember to do what we can better about it when we
become the wise and smarter ones someday.

So let's get wiser right here in Regine's music forum!

mmJun
http://insidebuzz.tripod.com

Because I was a witness to seeing that girl go from
the most clueless of the lot to one of the sharpest
artists from the province today. Because she didn't
let other people's arrogance stop her from learning
from them.

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e!nel
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Date Posted: 06:57:34 02/08/04 Sun
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who's the better vocalist, regine or mariah? the vocal quality? genre? low and high notes? and overall vocal timbre? uniqueness of vocal phrasing? I bet regine and mariah can do those sorta things at their best but who's the best among the rest?

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Date Posted: 09:44:51 02/08/04 Sun
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The best is always subjective. It depends on personal preference and bias. Some people prefer kyla over sarah, some pick regine over lani. As for technicality, they all have their strong points and flaws.


>who's the better vocalist, regine or mariah? the vocal
>quality? genre? low and high notes? and overall vocal
>timbre? uniqueness of vocal phrasing? I bet regine and
>mariah can do those sorta things at their best but
>who's the best among the rest?

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[> Subject: correct naman si ivan


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Date Posted: 00:50:32 03/02/04 Tue
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nakakaloka naman ang mga reaction at replies sa message na 'to. talagang major seriousness.

pero if i may add my 2 cents. tama nga naman si ivan. medyo offensive nga lang sya minsan magpaliwanag, kaya may mga negative reactions tuloy. agree ako na tama nga ang mga definition ng posts sa different voice categories, pero mali naman ang application nya. those voices are for classical/opera singers. di applicable 'yon sa pop. if you're asking for classifications of a pop singer's voice, that would probably be, balladeers, belters, crooner (tama ba spelling?), r&b, soul, jazz, country, or even broadway kind of singing. kasi ang pop voice mahirap e-classify 'yan, kasi maraming mga improvisations and diversifications na ginagawa ng mga pop singers. Example, a lot of people think that Sarah Brightman is an opera singer. mali po 'yon. porke mataas ang boses nya, opera singer na sya? she has a sweet soprano voice, pero ang vocal attact nya is not that of an opera singer. si lani misalucha. she is a pop singer, but she incorporates some operatic style in her singing, but that does not make her a classical singer. mariah also adds a little spinto/coloratura touch to her songs sa mga adlibs nya, probably influenced by her mom, who is the real opera singer. but mariah is definitely pop. kung baga, don't compare modern dancers, folk dancers, hip hop dancers, jazz dancers, ballroom dancers to ballerinas.

Balik sa kay regine. regine has a true belter voice. and if i may add, one of the best belters i've ever heard in the whole world for that matter.

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