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Read it and weep -- STATMAN, 12:34:55 06/23/04 Wed
Sorry, LEHIGH and Holy Cross
from princetonreview.com college profiles website:
% of applicants admitted:
Holy Cross 42%
Lehigh 40%
Bucknell 38%
Lafayette 36%
Colgate 31%
USMA 13%
USNA 10%
If you think these are wrong, find better ones. Unfortunately HC's website doesn't seem to provide the same data as lots of other college websites.
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Re: Read it and weep -- kesiwick, 12:57:24 06/23/04 Wed
Princeton Review "selectivity rating" on a scale of 0-100 follows:
West Point -- 99
Annopolis -- 99
Colgate -- 95
Holy Cross -- 92
Bucknell -- 91
Lehigh -- 88
Lafayette - 86
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Re: Read it and weep -- XSader, 13:00:29 06/23/04 Wed
However, as per the same website...HC's admissions selectivity rating is a 93, placing us well above schools like Bucknell, Lehigh, and Lafayette. The ratio of applications to admitted students is not necessarily indicative of how difficult it is to get into a particular college.
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My two cents -- 2003 Grad, 13:46:23 06/23/04 Wed
It is pretty pathetic when grown men are debating the superiority of Patriot League schools. These schools are ALL excellent and offer different opportunities for everybody. Only a naïve person would base their college selection on a college ranking. While one school might be 20 and another is 9, does that mean that the higher ranked school is necessarily better for all prospective students. On the other hand, if one is to rely solely on rankings, is a school that is ranked 5, 6 or 10 places higher then another school “better”. It is necessary to research what criteria is weighted most heavily when using multiple ranking guides. To be honest I personally believe that Holy Cross, like many other Catholic schools, is poorly ranked by the US News due to the weight given to “peer assessment rank” and “financial resources rank”. While we have improved in the latter of the two criteria, like other catholic schools we are not assessed as highly as we deserve by our “peers”. This is evident by the fact that every year we rank in the top five in graduation rank while our “predicted graduation rank” (as determined by the guide) is around 10% lower. I only know this in detail due to a paper that I wrote in a sociology course at HC involving a similar topic.
In the end though, all these facts, data and rankings are really not what is important. The main criteria to the superiority of a college is whether you can say that you graduated from a school with great memories, great friends, and with a sense of pride and much confidence as you take your next steps in life.
Oh yeah…if some one going to through stats at me regarding HC I just tell them to look up Barrons Top 50 Colleges Guide (Lib Arts and University)…only PL schools with rep……gate and the cross
I still say the ranking should be based on the female student population though…I would have gone to UT
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Re: My two cents -- BeatBC, 14:18:24 06/23/04 Wed
I agree with '2003 Grad' - this bickering about the quality of different schools is tiresome to read and spectacularly uninformative. While I always proclaim Holy Cross as the best college in the country, I do so openly acknowledging my bias and without bad mouthing other schools...except, of course, BC, on which any right-thinking person would agree...
We had some decent Lacrosse teams in the '80's and I believe we can improve again. The sudden high-profile of Patriot League Lacrosse (this was Navy's 1st year in the league) and the fact that they included the Lacrosse program in the new athletic fund-raising scheme are good signs.
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Re: My two cents -- STATMAN, 16:10:07 06/23/04 Wed
Sorry for provoking a Patriot League debate. "THERE ARE PLENTY OF LACROSSE PLAYERS WITH THE ACADEMIC GOODS NECESSARY TO GET INTO HOLY CROSS!" was the key point of the paragraph in the first e-mail. I'm not trying to judge whether our school is any better or worse than our peer group. Those schools get lacrosse players admitted....8-10 a year.....we should be able to as well. It just takes an organized and dedicated effort.
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Re: NEW MEN'S LACROSSE COACH -- laxalum, 07:31:06 06/24/04 Thu
STATMAN,
I disagree with you statement that many players of the top players just showed up at Holy Cross.
While I was there we had the likes of Brian Hodgdon - Goalie, who was Coach McCaff's first recruit upon taking the job in January 2000. Hodgie went on to become the 2nd best goalie in HC history. He was Academic All-New England, played in the NE Senior All-Star game and, the Warrior Lacrosse Challenge game which is a game between the Top 33 college players in the country.
Also recruited were Edmond Yip, a High School All-American out of Moses Brown and Choate. He has done nothing but win the teams Defensive Player of the Year each year since arriving on the hill. Billy Klotz, another High School All-American out of Pinkerton Academy in NH. Billy was named Rookie of the Week and Player of the Week by the Patriot League his Freshman year and has been one of the team point leaders the last two. Mike McKee out of the Lawrenceville School and Suffern, NY. Did not get into Harvard so he came to Worcester. Great compliment to Klotz on attack and will challenge the all-time assist totals by the time he finishes next spring. Other recruits of note in my time were Greg Kelly, Dan Atchinson, Rich Espinal, Pat Sullivan, Derek Lemley, Tanner Fogarty, Joe Drum, Pat McCurdy, John O'Sullivan....Some good players always show up at the last minute, too. Coach McCaff alway has open tryouts in the fall to evaluate these players. Each year he would keep a couple and for the most part they panned out.
The best HS players are NOT coming to HC. We seem to attract the 2nd and 3rd line players from good programs that saw very little pt in HS. The top notch, impact type players never looked at us - why would they? So they could shovel the turf and buy their own equipment?
Granted, Coach did not always get the kids he brought on campus in the fall, but that is where the program is at this point. It's a very hard sell when these very same recruits go to other PL schools and have to listen to other coaches question the commitment of HC to the sport of lacrosse. This happened to me at two PL schools when I mentioned that I would also be visiting HC.
The bottom line is Coach McCaff and Coach O received very little help from the Regan or others in the administration. There is only so far those guys could have lugged the mail by themselves and I think they did, not doubt.
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Re: NEW MEN'S LACROSSE COACH -- Rick, 08:54:04 06/24/04 Thu
" Mike McKee out of the Lawrenceville School and Suffern, NY. Did not get into Harvard so he came to Worcester. "
That might be the first time I've ever heard of a Lawrenceville grad not being accepted to Harvard. Do you know if he applied/was accepted to any other Ivy schools ?
$26,000 per at Lawrenceville with a campus/facilities/endowment better than many colleges/universities....grads are usually headed Ivy, UVA, Duke, Wake Forest, Rice, Michigan or Northwestern.
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Recruiting -- PROTON, 13:10:00 06/24/04 Thu
I'm not sure which of you is right, but five of the six top scorers this year were not recruited...just ask 'em. Some of those "recruits" you listed were not recruited. Some of those "notables" you listed were substitutes, and according to available stats, did not play in many games. I think it's fair to say, for whatever reason, that recruiting, and depth, is an issue for this program. Hopefully that will change with the arrival of the new coach.
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Re: Recruiting -- brine, 13:59:21 06/24/04 Thu
Not only were 5 of the top 6 scorers not recruited, in most cases their efforts to get on Mccafrey's radar screen were ignored. Once these athletes made the team and were successful, he claimed them as his recruits when in fact he did nothing to get them into the school. They each got in on their own with no help from Mccafrey so the notion that admissions is the problem is simply not true. He routinely missed or was late to meetings with recruits and their families this past fall. Additionally, the school has changed its fund raising protocols to allow restricted gifts to lacrosse. Over $100,000 has been pledged in this effort. 1-30 record in the Patriot League during his 5 years was simply not acceptable. If Mccafrey was so frustrated by his relationship with admissions and the AD, why didn't he leave to pursue his considerable talents elsewhere? The school has made a change. We are moving forward and doing what needs to be done to have a successful program for the school and our lax athletes. The hiring of Coach Pascal is the 1st step.
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Re: Recruiting -- brine, 14:00:52 06/24/04 Thu
Not only were 5 of the top 6 scorers not recruited, in most cases their efforts to get on Mccafrey's radar screen were ignored. Once these athletes made the team and were successful, he claimed them as his recruits when in fact he did nothing to get them into the school. They each got in on their own with no help from Mccafrey so the notion that admissions is the problem is simply not true. He routinely missed or was late to meetings with recruits and their families this past fall. Additionally, the school has changed its fund raising protocols to allow restricted gifts to lacrosse. Over $100,000 has been pledged in this effort. 1-30 record in the Patriot League during his 5 years was simply not acceptable. If Mccafrey was so frustrated by his relationship with admissions and the AD, why didn't he leave to pursue his considerable talents elsewhere? The school has made a change. We are moving forward and doing what needs to be done to have a successful program for the school and our lax athletes. The hiring of Coach Pascal is the 1st step.
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