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Subject: Re: You dislike the same things that I do


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Raven Kindshadow
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Date Posted: 17:54:29 02/05/02 Tue
In reply to: Diane 's message, "You dislike the same things that I do" on 10:01:13 02/05/02 Tue
 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~I think people 'create' things with their
>fear, certainly. But why would pagan believers fear
>anything if their motivation was one of love for all?
>I think that men (in religious authority) felt that
>paganism carried to its fullest extent would kill them
>through making them unnecessary, if they didn't kill
>the perpetrators first.

I think you misunderstood me or perhaps I am misunderstanding you. What I meant was that the other idea was that the common peoples fear started the witch hunts. I personally agree with an author named Jamie Wood (Teen Spell Book. Magick for young witches) in that what probably happened was that the common people already had fear and the higher church members fueled the fire so to say.

>But if pagan believers could have somehow incorporated
>Christian beliefs at the time, to ensure that those
>men didn't feel threatened, much of the massacre could
>have been avoided.

Well, I am not sure if I agree in that but then again I was not there and am not sure how the two religions interacted and therefor I can't say if that would have changed anything or not.

>I guess an arguement could be made
>for either side.

Very true.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I think that we create heaven or hell
>depending on our beliefs and lifestyles here on earth.
>We reap what we sow. But hell couldn't hold me, I love
>too much. Expressing that love to others does much to
>wipe it out of other's minds also. I would love for
>hell to be completely eliminated from our vocabulary
>and our beliefs. Yet I also understand that many men
>need this belief in order to make themselves and their
>work necessary. They want power and self-glorification
>more than anything, and fear seems to be the handiest
>tool to get that. It is wrong, I believe. Someone has
>got to show them that love is the only way to get any
>real authority. The one who wants to be the most
>repsonsible will have the most power in the end.

::claps:: Very well said and completely true.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I think I understand a bit more now
>about you. And I can see where you have gotten your
>hurt feelings. People who aren't loving can do so much
>damage to others that are vulnerable - especially
>young people who are so open to what older people tell
>them.

I am not quite sure what to say to this other than I know of a people that have been told the exact same thing as I have who are much older and it has almost become cliche.

>But even though I left the church also, I had to go
>back to it. I realized that I had a job there in that
>I had to change some things. I wasn't afraid of them,
>I loved them. I think you would also agree with going
>back for this reason, wouldn't you?

If I thought any of them would listen yes I would go back into the church to help them be more understanding.

>God has been willing to move some of them in my
>direction to listen to my advice, and for this I am
>grateful. I would work with anybody - Christian or non
>- because I do not discriminate. But I cannot teach
>anybody if I don't love them first. I also work on the
>internet (obviously) as you do, and try to correct
>some things that way. The problem is world-wide, that
>is clear.

I hope there are many others like us trying to teach equality and understanding of all religions rather than just there own.
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