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Date Posted: 10:38:38 04/04/03 Fri
Author: Abba's Son
Subject: Problems with the Jesus Seminar
In reply to: Omega 's message, "A brief response" on 09:09:38 02/25/03 Tue

The Jesus Seminar used 4 "Criterion of Authenticity" to determine whether or certain passages accredited to Jesus could be considered His actual words. Those Criterion were: 1) Multiple Attestation, the more often it was said in passages that were not simply parallel, the more likely it was actualy taught by J~. 2)Cultural, the more Hebraic or Arabic a saying was in nature, the more likely it was not a product of the early church. 3) Contempories, if the saying could have been a product of the early church or one of Jesus' contempories, then the statement was considered not to go back to the historical Jesus. 4) Coherence, if a statement could not stand on its own, but did not meet one of the other 3 criterion, it was possibly Christ's words.

Now, with that in mind, what did the Jesus seminar not take into consideration? 1) The role of eye witnesses. Why would these "disciples" have died the horrible deaths they died if they knew it to not be true? Sure, people die for their faith everyday, but they die for it thinking it's true. 2) The relationship of the disciples to Jesus. Jesus was a Rabbi. In the Jewish educational system of the day, a disciples goal was to be just like his Rabbi. They would have committed Jesus' teaching to memory or written them down in some other fashion. That is probably what "Q" is, the disciples recording of Jesus' messages. 3) The early church took great pains to separate its own words from the words of Jesus. Why write the Gospels? Many of Paul's letters, Acts, and others were written before the Gospels. Why not another Epistle or letter, or Systematic Theology work? They wanted to preserve the words of the Rabbi!

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Re: Problems with the Jesus Seminar -- Abba's Son, 11:10:28 04/04/03 Fri
Re: Problems with the Jesus Seminar -- Abba's Son, 11:10:54 04/04/03 Fri
Re: Problems with the Jesus Seminar -- Adilbrand, 14:09:12 04/05/03 Sat
- My thoughts exactly -- mvd, 12:13:39 04/07/03 Mon
- Re: Problems with the Jesus Seminar -- Abba's Son, 16:19:29 04/11/03 Fri
  - I would die for Vince, but that doesn't make him the freakin' Messiah (NT) -- mvd, 11:38:17 04/12/03 Sat
  - I don't understand -- mvd, 11:48:14 04/12/03 Sat
    - Re: I really don't understand, but I do get a kick out of it! -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 21:13:42 04/14/03 Mon
      - I guess -- mvd, 12:29:12 04/15/03 Tue
        No - I was not trying to burst your bubble then... -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 20:41:11 04/15/03 Tue
        Very well -- mvd, 11:16:16 04/16/03 Wed
The Jesus Seminar -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 23:42:27 04/07/03 Mon