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Subject: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: ron cooper [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 15:35:07 02/25/08 Mon I would like to list an upcoming event. What:Intial Draft for Carolina Fight League This draft is open to all competitors who wish to join the Carolina Fight League. This is a mixed martial arts league. You must come prepared to fill out paperwork and fight 2 two minute rounds. You must have protective clothing based on the ruls of the NC Boxing Commission. You must be atleast 18 years old, you have had a physical with blood bourne tests. You must join the league in order to fight. All fight rules and regulations are based on the rules approved by the NC Boxing Commission on Feb 22, 2008. For more info please contact the number or email listed below. Where:Shikata Mixed Martial Arts Academy 900A N Greene St Greenville, NC 27833 (252) 752-4662 shikatamma@yahoo.com When: March 21 and 22 2008 Time: 7-9 pm [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:03:41 02/25/08 Mon Is there a fee to join the league? Also since I am sure the MMA rules have changed since the rules meeting I attended How about posting them here? Or a link if you could. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: ron cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:21:46 02/26/08 Tue Yes, one of the primary purposes of the CFL is to help fighters obtain their own individual fan base. Therefore, in order for a fighter to be licensed with the Carolina Fight League there is a $50 monthly fee. I had a meeting with the boxing commission yesterday in reference to getting the new rules and we should have a copy available for posting soon. Thanks, Ron Cooper [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:38:47 02/26/08 Tue That is a ridiculous price to ask a guy to pay to fight. Most sanctioning bodies charge 15-25 bucks a year for Cornermen/fighters. What exactly are you going do for guys paying 600 bucks a year? Is that price a typo? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:34:53 02/26/08 Tue Neal, The price is correct. If all we offered was a cornerman at event time then you would be absolutely right in saying that it is too much. Our purpose is to make the fighter as great AND as popular as they can possible be. That price includes gym usage and training if you don't have you own, it includes management if you dont have your own, it provides non fighting events to increase the individual fan of each fighter. Because when you have a high quality fighter then you must have a high quality league. Thanks, Ron Cooper [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:48:44 02/26/08 Tue But if a guy has a gym,trainer, and manager, why should he have to pay so much just to compete in an event that I have a feeling people are paying admission to see? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:04:55 02/26/08 Tue No. Admission is free. The seats are ticketed (because of fire coding)but they are free. This allows for larger fanbase to be built very quickly, and if a fighter has a good "crowd personality" they can develop their own individual fanbase quickly. The gym, trainer and manager are just extras. There are Pre-Fight Events and Post-Fight Parties where fighters can rub elbows with potential endorsers and we are going to be a stepping stone to the big leagues. At no point are we going to try to get over on anyone, we ARE going to have one of the best leagues out there. Not to say that it is not already out there, but we are trying to bring high quality MMA events to NC, VA and SC. Thanks, Ron Cooper [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:01:35 02/26/08 Tue Maybe I am misunderstanding you. I think what i took for some sort of comptition type thing is more of a try - out for being ON a fight team. If that is the case I understand you fully. basically you are looking for guys who want to fight to train and manage? That makes more sense with the monthly cost. I thought you were talking about some sort of competition (as in spectators, venue, etc) and now I see its more a try out. The whole License thing veered me around. Am I correct? Its more a try - out for you to get fighters? I am thoroughly confused now I think. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:10:02 02/26/08 Tue Neal, I am sorry if I confused you, I have always been a better stiker than orator. Correct, it is not a single event. Thank of it as a local UFC/Pride - that is what we are shooting for. Thanks, Ron Cooper [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:29:45 02/26/08 Tue But if all these guys are in a league where they pay to be in it, and they are always fighting one another, it seems like an awfully small world to me. There are barely going to be enough guys in and around NC to fill all the NC event cards this coming year. I honestly dont think you are going to have enough people in enough weight classes to consistently put on events or to be a venue. Not operating like that. I could be wrong, but the numbers are not going to support it. Why would guys with a gym, trainer, and manager want to bother is the question in this case, because there are literally going to be a TON of events for guys to fight in, and they wont have to pay to be associated with them. If you want a stepping stone to the big leagues you are going to have to have professional dominated fight cards and have guys starting out around 500/500 and headliners making 2k-10k. That attracts the sort of guys who are moving out of the grass roots fights and on up. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: $50 monthly fee to fight in your league??? Author: Just Asking [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:18:28 02/27/08 Wed $50 monthly fee to fight in your league??? so if they have their own place to train and trainers what you think you can add to what they already have. and what is your background?? Shikata Mixed Martial Arts Academy?? i think we had this out before with another thread about everyone getting on the MMA bandwagon. you are any differnt?? tell us why we should be in your league or train with you, that sounds like what you want people to do. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: $50 monthly fee to fight in your league??? Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:33:57 02/27/08 Wed If you have your own gym, trainer and manager- NO you do not have to pay the $50. If you do not have them - YES you do. We are not asking fighters to stop training at their gym, we are providing a place to train if you do not have one. What we are trying to do is simple. Now that it is legal for MMA in NC we want to have a high quality outlet for both fighter and fans to be a part of. We really want to put NC on the MMA map as a state of champions and a force to be reckoned with. Please understand that am I in no way saying that there are not excellent leagues out there now. I am just giving the individual fighter a chance and a choice. Thanks, Ron Cooper P.S. I have been a martial arts for 25 years. Shikata Mixed Martial Arts Academy is a combative martial art. We teach our students to fight from stand up, up close, on the ground multiple attackers, defend against and use weapons. Please keep in mind that our school and the CFL are 2 different things. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:07:03 02/27/08 Wed So before you said the gym and training are just extras, impying guys still pay the 50 bucks, and now you say they dont have to pay the 50 bucks. I am really confused. Also, if the CFL and your school are two different things, whose gym are these guys who pay the money going to train in? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:11:59 02/27/08 Wed I am sorry for any confusion. Alot going on lately and my minds is in a hundred different directions. If you have a gym, trainer and manager you do NOT have to pay $50 a month. If you do not have a gym, trainer and manager you DO have to pay $50 a month. That is what the $50 covers (our dojo, trainer and manager for your use). Anyone who meets the requirements of the CFL will be allowed to fight, wether the are a member of our dojo or not. Again, sorry for any confusion. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:54:55 02/27/08 Wed In that case, what is the financial amount to be licensed with the CFL and able to compete in events? Assuming a guy with gym/trainers/etc. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:01:15 02/27/08 Wed If a fighter has their own gym/trainer/etc. then the fee is $50 per year. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:39:48 02/27/08 Wed I dont know. Boxers are not required to hire anyone and certainly not specific people to get matches (to act as seconds or trainers) and it seems like you are almost requiring that from a fighter. I know a fighter should have a trainer, but its his right not to, and you cant legally make him I am pretty sure. It could look a bit odd to any sort of oversight if you are charging a bunch of money and forcing someone to have a trainer (whether its you or not) when its their right not to have one. Of course you can just say you dont want those guys to fight, but as soon as you say something along the lines of "you have to have a trainer and if not pay this and this guy will be your trainer/cornerman and now you can get a fight", you are coming very close to breaking the law if you are not breaking it already. This is assuming MMA fighters are going to have the same rights as boxers. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:35:00 02/28/08 Thu I'm not saying any fighter has to have a trainer. You are absolutley right, it is their choice. The $50 a month the fighter is paying is for the use of our school-where, if they so choose, they can utilize the services of our trainers and manager. If they want to come in by thereself and put together their own training program that is fine. If they have their own place to train, if they have their own training program then all they have to pay is $50 a year. However, when it comes to managers, everyone needs to have one. I am not saying it has to be us, but it needs to be someone that the fighter is comfortable with. I see having a manager as a second sight of eyes, like I said, we want to build a quality home for the fighter and fans. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:47:05 02/28/08 Thu I have often been told I am not the greatest communicator in the world, and I think I have struck again. I think your understanding is that your guys are going to have to come to the draft and fight. Everyone that wants to fight in the CFL does need to come to the draft. BUT, not everyone will have to fight. If they have their own gym/trainer/manager then NO, they do NOT have to fight, they do need to fill out paperwork, give a copy of their physical and blood test and pay their annual licensing fee so that we can put them on the books. They will receive a copy of the CFL regulations. These are the fighters that will pay $50 a year. The fighters that are required to fight that night will be the independent fighters that are looking to utilize our gym and use us as their manager. They will also have to fill out paperwork, give a copy of their physical and blood test and pay the monthly licensing fee. They will receive a copy of the CFL regulations. These are the fighters that will pay $50 a month. I hope this clears things up. If you have any additional questions, my cell is 252-375-0262 and our dojo is 252-752-4662. Thanks, Ron Cooper [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Billy D. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:23:54 03/08/08 Sat So the fighters are going to pay between fifty and six hundred dollars a year to fight for the CFL.I still do not quite understand what they get for their money.Also what kind of compensation will the fighters receive for fighting?Even for an amature, it's insane to have to pay to fight. " Admission is free. The seats are ticketed (because of fire coding)but they are free. This allows for larger fanbase to be built very quickly, and if a fighter has a good "crowd personality" they can develop their own individual fanbase quickly."Now maybe I'm just a little stupid,but it sounds like you are trying to make money a little backwards.If the event is free to the spectators,I'm guessing you are expecting to make your money off the fighters.If that is the case,you are an asshole.If that is not the case,I don't understand were the money to hold the events will be coming from.Now the guy that is paying fifty a month gets access to a training facility witch is a good deal,however what does the guy that gives you fifty dollars a year get?The right to fight?That is insane! Now again maybe I just do not understand.But it sounds like you are the kind of guy that I was afraid was going to surface when MMA became legal in NC.I can not think of any justification to charge a fighter to fight in an event.They are who the spectators are coming to see.This whole thing just sounds f_ _ked to me. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:21:31 03/10/08 Mon Billy, Let me make something VERY CLEAR. In no way is the CFL going to screw over ANY one. I will NOT allow that. I can tell by your post that you are not attacking us- you are just trying to to understand what we are doing. Please also understand that I am not attacking you, so if it sounds that way-just know that is not the intent. The first thing to understand about the fight league is that we are NOT a fight club or a fight team. We are a league. Please do not confuse us with just being an event. As you know most events run something like this..the fighter signs up, only the fans that pay can watch the fights, the fighters fight and then its over. Ususally, the event will do nothing else for the fighter. If the CFL was just an event, then that would be all we do as well. But we are more than an event. We are trying to provide a one stop shop for MMA fighters, we plan to help promote them, be THE place that promoters check first when they bring a fight to town, keep fighters up-to-date on any rule changes, provide a place for the trainers and managers to meet. The reason our events are free is because it provides a better way to get fans in the door. The way we will make the money is advertising and vendor rental space off the backend. We honestly believe the only way that we will make it is to provide top quality fighters and events. If we do not take care of our fighters then we will most certianly fail. The $50 a year is like an assocition fee to the various services that we offer. I hope this helps. Thanks, Ron Cooper [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Billy D. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:46:34 03/08/08 Sat Now to just lean towards safety for up coming fighters and for the guys that are wanting to become fighters,there are a shit load of good gyms all over the state that will not only train you but help you get fights.Also if you are fighting under a gyms name,they are going to be looking out for you not only as a friend,but as a team mate..A promoter regaurdless of what he tells you,is not looking out for anyone but himself. As for gyms in NC,I don't think you can go very far in NC with out being close to a Team ROC school(teamroc.net),Pendergass BJJ is in Wake Forest,in Writesville you have Evolution MMA,Sanford I think still has Ringskilz,Wilmington I believe has Champions gym,Charolette has Steve Halls gym(sorry I forget what it's called),and the list goes on and on.These places are just a hand full of my buddys places off the top of my head,there are a shit load more.This whole thing just sounds bad.Now I'm pissed,guess I'll go beat my wife. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:15:58 03/09/08 Sun Sorry to jump off topic, but Congrats on the new Noble blood Billy. Missed you at CF during the group training thing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Simon [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:15:28 03/11/08 Tue When and where will your first event take place? Are we talking ammateur or pro fights? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:56:00 03/12/08 Wed greenville, nc. our first three events are a scheduled for amature only. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:34:46 03/12/08 Wed I forgot to ask, so these events are sanctioned right? Meaning the state will keep track of the records, promoted by someone fully licensed with a promoter's bond, etc? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Simon [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:56:58 03/12/08 Wed When are these events happening? I have some students that might be interested in amateur fights. Simon [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: ron cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:27:40 03/13/08 Thu Neal, Yes we are jumping thru every hoop for the fights to be counted by the NCBC. Simon, check www.carolinafightleague.com for upcoming events. Thanks, Ron Cooper [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: James Speight [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:12:23 03/14/08 Fri If you really "provide a place for the trainers and managers to meet" then you wouldnt have any problems me coming to the Draft and meet the, not just "your" Trainers and Mangers?? but on your web site you say "Only official staff and fighters can attend." I am still waiting for the weight classes so that my gys dont have to fight each other. Thank You James Speight [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: Ron Cooper [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:57:56 03/14/08 Fri James, You (and every team captian,trainer and manager, and anyone a fighter wants to bring)are more than welcome to come, in fact I want you too. The statement you refer to means not the general public. I don't know how much clearer I can make this- the CFL is open to every qualified fighter (with or without gym/trainer/management). Yes, we are planning on having an event in April, but that is not all that we are about. As the CFL grows I want it to be a place for fighters to go to find then trainer/manager/gym/event that they are looking for, managers can find fighters that are in need of their services, promoters can go to find a list of qualified fighters who fight out of a large selection of schools/gyms/teams and fans can go to learn more about the greatest MMA fighters around. And as far as you not getting a list yet, that is because the draft is not til Mar 21 & 22. So I will not have a list of fighters until after then. If you are speaking of what weight classes- the available classes are on the web site. I hope this helps. Thanks, Ron Cooper [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Carolina Fight League Draft Author: James Speight [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:57:10 03/14/08 Fri List?? i dont remember asking for a list of your fighters?? but anyway.... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]