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Subject: Re: First pregnancy


Author:
Jacqueline
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Date Posted: 07/19/06 5:21pm
In reply to: Tracey 's message, "Re: First pregnancy" on 07/19/06 4:53pm

Actually the appointment was awful...everyone in the office was pregnant...and they were all talking sharing their stories i wanted to scream...i also have a cold im soo tired and so much nausea...It was awful my bf just held my hand and rubbed my back. I want to be mad at him but my heart wont let me i need him and he may be pushing abortion but hes probably the best boyfriend ive ever had, for the first time my heart is falling for him instead of my head..because in the past i tried to make relationships work just because i hate failure. So maybe we will survive this. Dom may be 23 but hes such a child in so many other ways...im his first ever relationship the first time he ever commits to a woman and the first time he ever introduces a woman to his family or friends. I understand why he pushes abortion he doesnt understand women yet...i still dont agree with him but hes scared i guess. My doctor (whom i like very much) didnt even ask me what im doing he just gave me the paper to call and make the appointment for the procedure and told me to use protection next time. Hes the same dr that delivered me...weird! I guess they figued this because i was crying while they were taking my vitals! No they didnt give me an ultrasound they dont do that in the dr's office they send you to the hospital for that..i dont think i want to see it...anyways i cant really think how i feel right now...im too sick! ill write more tomorrow i have such a headache...its great to be a woman...but sometimes id rather not be!

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: First pregnancy


Author:
Denis
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Date Posted: 07/19/06 7:01pm

My wife (Sharon) has been sending messages to you and other women for a couple of years on this website. I've never been involved in this, other than to listen to the stories she has told me. I was looking over her shoulder tonight and she was talking to me about you and your situation and I read a couple of your postings. Being a man, I can never know exactly how you feel and all the issues you are going through. However, having been a father many times over, I can't express in any detail or emotion how wonderful it is to bring your child into the world. All the headaches associated with this ( finacial problems with formula, diapers, daycare, etc.) and all the loss of "freedom" you used to have (because you can never do as you want when you want to like you used to do before), the carefree lifestyle, etc... is all gone. Is it worth it? Without any doubt, the answer is 100% yes! Even if you have to do it alone (which I did with my first child for many years), it is the most wonderful experience you will ever encounter. Though there have been times that were so hard over the years, and though I have said at times when things have been hard that if I had to do it over I would not have had kids, I know this is not true because in the long run, my best day without children doesn't even come close to my worst day with children. My heart goes out to you. Listen to YOUR heart, not others. It will give you the answer you are looking for.
Denis
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: First pregnancy


Author:
luka
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Date Posted: 07/19/06 8:42pm

I feel so much for you when i read about how you felt being in the doctors office. Wanting to scream. Far out. But you keep telling yourself that Dom is the best boyfriend you have ever had. Why are you clinging to him? You seem more for him than your baby. I am confused a little. I know he's rubbing your back ect but that's because he wants you to have an abortion. I am not saying he's a bad person or that he doesn't care for you to some degree..I believe he does what he does and feels what he feels out of ignorance, and so do you. But you're willing to go along with that even though you know better. You are trying to shut down your feelings and just shut down in general in order to do this. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that you should have to do that for anyone much less someone who's supposed to love you. I have SO much sympathy for you i feel like crying when i read how trapped you feel. The defeated lay down and die feeling that goes along with going against yourself for someone else. You are looking at Dom looking at all the reasons he is worth it to try to make the abortion seem like the right thing. Trying to convince yourself it's for the best. It's incredibly sad. I see two deaths in this scenario not just your babys but partly your own. The erosion that comes from doing something so feel strongly about not doing. It's not just whether or not to move or change jobs either it's your baby. It has a huge amount of gravity. This baby is a part of you (and dom) that you're about to kill off. I don't know what 2 things are more sacred than your baby and your will/ maternal instincts. Both washed away with one act. This is incredibly sad to read. I hope something happens to make it all better for you and your baby. You have my deepest sympathy. I wish i was there to give you a hug :(
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: First pregnancy


Author:
Rachel
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Date Posted: 07/20/06 11:44am

I think you need to ask yourself (and Dom)- why doesn't Dom want this child? The answer may be because he doesn't feel he cares enough about you to be in that committed of a relationship. if so, then you need to look again at your decision if you are basing it on saving your relationship with a man who doesn't want a future with you anyhow. does this make sense? i am saying this because if you have the abortion and also later lose the relationship, i'd hate to see you regretting making the choice for the guy's sake.

now, if he doesn't want the child because of other reasons, but wants to later have children with you - you both may want to do some preliminary figuring on paper - pros and cons - rather than just making a knee-jerk decision because of the fears you have. my son was an unplanned pregnancy and believe you me i had a laundry list of fears, but they all worked themselves out somehow. I even went to a clinic to have the procedure done but walked out because in the waiting room i read an article by a woman who had two troubled parents who didn't have alot of money but in the end she was thankful her life turned out just the way it did. I walked outside and imediately a reassuring voice came into my head and said "God blesses mothers and children. don't give up on God."
That is something I will alwasy remember and do firmly believe is true.

good luck to you whatever you decide.
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Author:
Luka
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Date Posted: 07/20/06 4:54pm

Can i ask what how the people at the 'clinic' reacted when you turned around and changed your mind? The last time i booked myself in for a termination i never made it to the clinic i just called to cancel at the last minnute. The woman on the other end of the phone was really annoyed with me. She gave me a mouthful for cancelling late talking about if i had called sooner she could have fit another woman in that day because it was a weekend apparently they got alot of bookings from women who worked during the week and could only do it on a saturday. I couldn't beleive how insensitive she was, it's not like i was getting my hair cut for gods sake. But i guess to that woman it's only business and time is money :(
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Rachel :)


Author:
Rachel
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Date Posted: 07/21/06 5:29am

Luka, I didn't tell anyone I was leaving! I am sure they were mad. With this latest pregnancy (my daughter) I made the appt. again, and didn't even call to cancel. Maybe we could be an army against abortion by all of us calling in and making appts we don't keep! lol.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: First pregnancy


Author:
Tracey
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Date Posted: 07/20/06 1:06pm

Jacqueline~
Hello! You go to the hospital for sonograms? That's interesting! I got sonograms done right in my OB's office. I mean I went to another location for my big sonograms, like my 18 week and just before the baby was born to get a guesstimate date, etc. but they also scanned me in my OB's office as well. Anyhow, I'm sure it was tough to see all those pregnant women. I was thinking what you said in your last post...about Dom rubbing your back and how he's "the best boyfriend you ever had." But I have a question for you. Do you think he'd be the best boyfriend ever and still be loving if you decided to keep the baby? It got me thinking, I mean, of course he's rubbing your back and be "supportive." Because you're doing what HE wants you to do! What if you told him you changed your mind? How would he react? Would he still be loving? Jacqueline, right now I'm not speaking to you from a pro-life perspective...I'm speaking to you as a woman. Abortion causes tremendous trauma to a woman...after an abortion, every woman I know who has had an abortion tells me that it tore them apart and to this day, it still does...they think of the baby they never were able to hold. They think of the gender and what color hair and eyes they would've had. I have 4 little ones and I can't tell you how my heart hurts...literally aches when I think of life without them. Their little smiles and giggles...their "I love you Mama!", the feeling of a sleeping baby against you, those chubby little toes, and SOOOO much more! Jacqueline, this is what we as women are designed for...to love, support, and protect. Abortion goes against our very nature to protect our helpless babes. That's what I truly want to emphasize here. If you don't agree with anything I've said here, then maybe you should listen to your own words. I want to remind you of some of the things that you yourself have said in your previous posts(these are your quotes):
"i love my baby is that possible at 5 weeks."
"i want him or her i dont want an abortion."
"I know im going to regret this abortion i know im going to be depressed i know its going to kill me."
"you are all right..if my relationship with dom is meant to last then it will last no matter what i do. Im seriously considering keeping the baby..i mean its not like it will be here tomorrow i have time."
"Ive decided in my heart that i want to keep my baby...long term people will get over it once they see the beautiful baby...but i dont think i could ever get over having an abortion."
"yes its not fair for me to have a baby that my bf doesnt want but its not fair for me to have an abortion that i dont want..."
Jacqueline, don't lose yourself here...listen to your heart!
God bless,
Tracey
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: First pregnancy


Author:
Jacqueline
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Date Posted: 07/20/06 5:12pm

If i told dom tomorrow that i decided to keep the baby..he would probably be scared..but he wouldnt hate me or leave me ..hes not that kind of person..he comes from a very good family..i might mention he has never actually said..."have an abortion" it was just assumed because thats what we always talked about before. Im not naive im actually very smart when it comes to men...if dom would have ever even attempted to say have the abortion or its over i would of broken up with him..i would never let a guy push me around or threaten me or ever tell me what to do. Laswt night was the first time we really talked about it and he told me hes so sorry that this happen and if he could take my pain and my morning sickness he would and he said we will have more children when we are ready. I understand everyones opinion and i appreciate the advice everyone has given me but ive realized even though painful its the right decision at this point in my life. Im going to make sure this never happens again until im ready..and if by chance it does happen again i told dom im not having an abortion and he understands that he agrees with me. I dont think our relationship will fail after this i think its brought us closer together..I cant predicy how im going to feel afterwards im sure im not going to be happy but im expecting that so im getting prepared. i guess there is nothing i can say to make you guys support me on this decision but thats ok i understand where you guys stand! its been along two weeks and not something i want to repeat until ready .... buenas suerte y buenas noches mi amigas ... ciao ciao xoxoxoxox
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Sharon
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Date Posted: 07/20/06 8:14pm

Jacqueline,

I'm going to continue to pray for you and Dom that you don't lose your first child to abortion, but please know that you are ALWAYS welcome here no matter what you end up deciding to do...

Please continue to post and let us know how you're doing, regardless of what path you go down. (I, of course, hope you choose the path that will allow you to someday see that your little one has Dom's eyes...or your mouth...and let's you see and hold the tangible result of your love for each other...)

God bless you, Jacqueline, and may He send His angels to protect you.

With care and concern,

Sharon
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Author:
Tracey
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Date Posted: 07/21/06 4:39am

Jacqueline~
My heart is heavy for you as well. I know you feel so torn right now, but remember if you do decide to abort, it is forever. Once that life is gone, you can never get it back. And you may go on to have children, but this one will always be your first child. You are a mother already, Jacqueline. I'm praying so hard for you today...I'm praying you will follow your heart. The choice is yours alone, but remember, if your baby was given the choice to speak, what would he/she say? We just hate to see you have the abortion because your in a state of numbness and shock right now and then come to most likely regret it later. Please continue to keep us updated and let us know what happens. We love and support you, Jacqueline.
God bless,
Tracey
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Lisa
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Date Posted: 07/20/06 8:49pm

Jacqueline,

I have not written much before to you (or maybe at all) but I just wanted to add my two cents. I think it was on this board where I realized that as far as a relationship goes in regards to having an abortion and staying together, the odds are stacked against it. The others on here can probally even give you stats, but the majority of relationships that weather a abortion together do break up. I think I would liken it to couples that have a child die in some other way. They usually divorce. People blame each other and cant seem to look at the other person the same way. I have friends that have both had abortions, their relationships dissolved, the man went his way, found another and had more children and moved on with their life where my friends were left behind with the memory of their unborn baby.

I also have 2 friends who each had a baby die from SIDS. One most recently, I even posted about it on this board. Both of those relationships dissolved. One was a marriage.

I am not trying to tell you what to do, I am just wanting you to know that the odds are in favor of a relationship faltering after an abortion.

As far as having other children with your boyfriend, I am sure that is a real possibility, but I think you will find the memory of this baby will always be in the shadows.

I wish you so much luck and love, you have a very difficult time ahead of you. We will be here if you need to talk to us!

With love,

Lisa
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Author:
Heather
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Date Posted: 07/20/06 9:58pm

Hi Jacqueline,

You're a valuable person. While it's true, as you say, that most here can't be made to support you on your decision, I think I can speak for most that we definitely support you as a woman. Please know you're welcome here under all circumstances, and if you decide to go through with the abortion and afterwards find that you'd like post abortion counseling, we can help point you in the right direction for some great referrels for that.

With Kindness,

Heather
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Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 07/20/06 11:54pm

Hi, Jacqueline,

My heart is heavy for you. Your baby is depending on you for your protection. You may never have another child. My heart is heavy for Dom and for your relationship.

I understand you have decided to go through with it. But I am going to keep praying you will change your mind. Just remember, you will reach a point where you will no longer have a choice. Abortion is forever. You can't take it back.

I have a pretty good idea of what it is going to cost you, and I can tell you that it is unlikely you will not suffer terribly for this.

Yes, I will be here for you no matter what. But if you were my sister, I'd hug you so hard you couldn't walk! Seriously.

I'm scared for you. I pray that you won't suffer any complications. I pray that you will follow your heart. Please follow your heart!

Love and tears,
Pat
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Author:
Melanie
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Date Posted: 07/21/06 12:52am

Wow... if I ever gave the impression that you weren't a smart woman or that Dom was a bad guy I apologize as that was never, ever intended. I'm glad that the two of you are talking. I will echo pretty much what Lisa has said. I have seen a very few instances where a couple stays together after an abortion, but the deck is really stacked against it.

I know your mind is pretty much made up, but have you and Dom thought of going together to see what sort of help is out there for the two of you? When I got pregnant with my first child, I was workinga low paying job and, my husband was on unemployment. With my last one, my husband lost his job and we had to be on assistance a short time and move back home with my dad. Anyway, just thought I'd ask.

I will echo what the others have said in that no matter what we care about what happens to you as well and will offer support.

Take care,
Melanie
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: First pregnancy


Author:
luka
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Date Posted: 07/21/06 5:05pm

I know you've made up your mind but i was just curious didn't you allready tell him you had decided to keep the baby? Last i heard he needed to not speak to you for a day and then what happened after that? Next thing we hear you've changed your mind. Unless i am missing something when you told him you were keeping the baby he stopped talking to you didn't he?
Anyway you can only do the best you can with the information thats in front of you, with how you feel and what you feel is truth. Even if at a later point you regret your decision you can only do your best at the time. If this is what you think it is then ok. I don't think you're stupid, i think you got the impression i did because of my post earlier but thats not what i meant by it. I was just trying to tell you what i was seeing as an outisider based on what information i have. You want your baby -he doesn't, nobody except us were really supporting your decision to keep your baby and you are clinging to your boyfriend who wants you to have an abortion. It seemed logical to me to assume that you were begining to feel sorry for him too and feel bad about your decision to keep your baby because your mind was changing due to his and others influence. You decided they were right that you would be selfish for keeping your baby. But it's a far cry from one of your earlier posts about keeping your baby and how unfair they were all being and what about you and how you felt. So naturally i am looking at what you write and try to show you how you are systematically going against yourself because sometimes you're just too tired and sick and alone and you don't feel like you could or would want to have to defend yourself and your decision to keep your baby. You don't want to be treated like you've done something wrong and oh poor Dom. Thats not what you want, no one does. I say all of these things because i am in a similar situation in terms of lack of support. I understand why the idea of having this baby in some respects seems unappealing. When you imagine yourself having a child you want the father to be over the moon about it and you want those who are closest to you to celebrate with you. I get it. All i ever wanted to was to let you know that even under these circumstances things can work out. As long as you have considered the fact that you really could have kept your baby and things don't allways (rarely) stay the same and may well have turned around. If you truely understand that you DO have a choice here and the choice not to abort isn't ness all doom and gloom and you still want to go ahead and have an abortion.. then what can i say to that? I mean as long as you make an informed decision then it's better than you going into this aborton blindly expecting it to make things all better. It doesn't erase all that has happened it just kills your baby and makes your boyfriend and friends ect breathe a sigh of relief. It makes them feel better and you feel less pressured. You may not feel so hot afterwards but once the baby's gone it's gone. You'll have no choice but to go on with your life. And , one day, you may have another child. And when you do you will realise what you disposed of. Please don't get me wrong please understand i have had abortions i really do know what i am talking about here. I have seen both sides good and bad. I know you'll be ok and you can survive either way. But abortion at least for me has been a heavy burden on my consience it has affected my character knowing what i would have done, should have done if i'd only known better at the time. I have a hard time forgiving myself for what i did. And all the problems that existed before the abortion were still there after, it was only my baby that wasn't there anymore. It did not make me feel relieved and i wasn't able to just pretend it never existed or that i didn't do what i did. Please understand that what i write to you comes from trying to spare you unnessesary pain that's all. I do wish you all the best and please do let us know how you are after your abortion. Nobody here will juidge you or say we told you so, we are not cruel, we only care, we will just be here for you if you need to unload. There have been other women who have posted on this board after their abortions if you look at some of the older posts i'm sure you will find some and can see from that that noone is going to be negative towards you. We do support you! If we didn't, if all we were interested in was you not having an abortion then we would abandon you once you decided not to keep your baby and that is not the case. God bless.
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Author:
Jenni
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Date Posted: 07/24/06 2:48pm

My bestfriend's blog:
http://silentnomoredetroit.blogspot.com/

By aborting, not only will you be destroying your child, and a part of yourself... but your boyfriend will at some point be over come with the realization that he pressured you to abort your child.

And I guarentee that you WILL feel a numbing horrible emptiness take over you the moment your child is sucked from your womb... my best friend tells me that is what she felt both times she aborted.(you may feel relief, but it will only last so long!!!) By having an abortion, you also put yourself at risk of having another... what happens if you get pregnant two months later? Will Dom be any more ready to have a child???? You can say it won't happen, but no birthcontrol is 100% affective! Chances are you WILL become pregnant with in the year after your abortion, because you will desperately hope that if you get pregnant again, it will get rid of the emptiness... you will finally have your baby back (SOOOOO Many women do this!), only it doesn't work that way.

Think about the other kids you may have someday. What will they think when they find out that their older bro or sis didn't make it??? That they are missing a sibling? God doesn't make mistakes! You may think they will never find out, but kids have a way of figuring things out. The will notice how you get sad and upset every year during the month of July (even more so the day you had your abortion), they will notice how you cry every year in March (when the baby would've been due???), they will notice that you and their father (if you do end up staying together with him) are constantly fighting about something and blaming each other for something they know is serious, they may even hear you cry to him in anger "After what I did for you!!!!!!!", they may notice you cringe everytime the vacumn cleaner gets turned on (because it sounds VERY similar to the suction machine), that you are uncomfortable around pregnant women and newborns, and the list goes on and on....

There was a friend of the family who's husband accidentally backed over and killed his two year old with the family van. The family was overcome with grief, the father could not forgive himself... and it was an accident! The reason so many people suffer so badly after an abortion is because they made the decision to purposely have their child killed and to pay someone to do it! It wasn't an accident.

You two may (one of 20 women become sterile after abortion)have children later in life, however, no other child will ever be able to replace this child. No child will ever have the same eyes, nose, temperment, dreams, goals, laugh, cry. Each person is unique, each has his or her own DNA.

Your boy may be scared now, but once he sees his child... It will be a different story!!!

I, myself, was in your shoes, 6yrs ago. I was pregnant at 19. The thought of abortion went through my head. At one point I was willing to abort my daughter to save my life, my boyfriend's life... but now, I will die before anyone tries to hurt her. And if any man, no matter how much I loved him, asked me to kill my child because he isn't ready to be a father... I'd tell him to get a #$#@$$#%ing life! Because the truth of it is... if he REALLY loved me, he wouldn't ask me to kill my child. If he really loved me, he'd love OUR child.

Think of it in terms as, your child is currently 2yrs old. Would you put a bullet through her head because your boy doesn't want to be a dad? There is no difference between your child now and when she's two... they are still the same person. You child will grow up to be 2yrs. The only difference is that it's legal to kill a child while they are in the womb, and it's not legal to kill a 2yr old. Some choices, though they be legal, are not right. (for example slavery.)

And my daughter, Liberty, is the LOVE OF MY LIFE!

And you know what, YOU are so much stronger than you think you are!!!!

I have a good friend who had two kids out of wedlock. Both times he was told by all his friends and family to ask his girlfriend to abort. (He actually talked her out of it both times) And now, his kids are 7 and 10. And when his family, hugs and kisses his kids, he sometimes says.... "Hey, remember when you pressured me to have them aborted??? Hey mom and dad, aren't you glad I talked Tammy out of it?"

I guarentee your friend (who had an abortion and it didn't affect her) has been affected! Every woman is. There is a thing called pride and denial. Her abortion WILL hit her like a ton of bricks the moment she gives birth to a "wanted" child that she allowed to live. Many women live for YEARS in denial... their abortions ALWAYS come back to haunt them... ALWAYS at some time or another! My best friend has had two, they almost destroyed her.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh.... I only write this because I care. Because my bestfriend has said many times over and over again... "If only someone wouldn't stopped me! If only someone would've told me not to..." (She only had one friend telling her abortion wasn't a good choice and it was only because that girl had been forced to have an abortion by her parents. And yes, she did have a friend (who had had an abortion) telling her it was no big deal... ten years later, that girl isn't doing so hot herself!)

If you keep your child, I promise you that your boyfriend will one day THANK YOU... and he WILL love his child. You will also spare him the guilt of having his child's blood on his hands. (his own flesh and blood) I know this from experience!

There was once a day when men died while protecting their women and child, but now children die to protect their father's lifestyles. Having the child will in no way shape or form kill Dom.

You will NEVER EVER EVER EVER regret allowing your child to live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I promise you! With abortion there is no going back... if anything, why not look into adoption. adoption.com There are open adoptions now that you can still be a part of your child's life, you pick the family, you build a relationship with. You can still see them grow, you can still watch them graduate, you can still be a part of their wedding, you can still meet your grandkids....

You will still be giving your child a chance!

But I highly doubt Dom will want to do this, because once he sees his child, he will not want to part with her!

Peace and love,

Jenni 26, single mom, homeowner since 22, college grad

Liberty almost 6, My mini-me, and my sunshine after the rain
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Author:
Rachel
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Date Posted: 07/21/06 5:43am

I am pro-choice, but I am realistic. I think that abortion is the harder road. Esp. since you have already felt an attachment to your baby. Making a decision out of consideration for fear,money, or another person will only make you suffer. This is just as true for the person who leaves a job they love for a job that makes more money, or the person who won't leave home out of fear for the unknown....
this will haunt you for the rest of your life.
I know, from experience.
I also know, from experience, the unbelievable joy your baby will bring....and that it isn't half as hard to have a baby as society makes it seem. my children are my constant companions and make me laugh even when I am feeling down.
I was SO close to having an abortion 10 months ago. Ask these ladies here. Or, go back and read my story and others in the forum archives. I was in a terrible relationship and had no money but still made it happen, and when I look at my daughter's little chubby face while she serenely sleeps I am thankful I didn't. She chose me and her big brother to come live out her time on earth with us. and with the way things are in the world, you never know how much time we have to love each other here in tihs life. each moment is golden to me.
I wish for you happiness...
please keep us posted, ok?



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