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Friday Drama -- Bob, Sat, 02 Dec 2017, 14:54:14 (NoHost/1.129.104.38)




BBC Radio 4 - Friday Drama


God's President: Mugabe of Zimbabwe

Friday Drama




Kwame Kwei-Armah's drama tells the story of the tense negotiations around the Lancaster House Conference, and the road to Zimbabwe's Independence.

On 4th March 1980 the Shona majority in Rhodesia was decisive in electing Robert Mugabe to head the first post-independence government as Prime Minister. Six weeks later, on April 18th, Zimbabwe celebrated its first Independence Day.

On the 21st December 1979, following three months of talks, the Lancaster House Agreement finally brought independence to Rhodesia following Ian Smith's Unilateral Declaration of Independence in 1965.

Margaret Thatcher's government had invited Bishop Muzorewa and Ian Smith, and the leaders of the Patriotic Front, led by Joshua Nkomo and Robert Mugabe to participate in a Constitutional Conference at Lancaster House in London, to be chaired by the foreign secretary, Lord Carrington.

The purpose of the Conference was to discuss and reach agreement on the terms of an Independence Constitution, and to ensure that elections should be supervised under British authority to enable Rhodesia to proceed to legal independence and the parties to settle their differences by political means.

Robert Mugabe .... Lucian Msamati
Edgar Tekere ..... Danny Sapani
Bishop Muzorewa ..... Chuk Iwuji
Lord Carrington ..... Richard Cordery
Robin Renwick ..... Tony Bell
Joshua Nkomo ..... Jude Akuwudike
Ian Smith ..... William Gaminara
Sir Shridath Ramphal ..... Kwame Kwei-Armah
Kenneth Kaunda ..... Ben Onwukwe
Bob Marley ..... Lloyd Thomas
With Sean Baker, David Seddon, Alison Pettit

Directed by Jeremy Mortimer.





Audio

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00wdl7t">http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00wdl7t</a>


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New Cabinet -- johnny b (Maaiweh !), Sat, 02 Dec 2017, 12:08:12 (CPE-101-103-19-7.lnse1.fli.bigpond.net.au/101.103.19.7)

The new ministers should give everyone nightmares, all being in military ranked posts previously. Bob grew the monster and now it has taken over.


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ZANU -- Tim Murphy St. Louis, Missouri, America, Thu, 30 Nov 2017, 20:58:39 (NoHost/209.106.13.97)

Now that Comrade Bob is out of a job, what Rhodesia needs is for ZANU to be rooted out.


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world View Podcast -- Bob, Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 19:12:45 (NoHost/1.129.108.201)


In Zimbabwe, long-term dictator Robert Mugabe seems certain to be forced from power sooner rather than later. But what comes next? Bill Corcoran has spent the last week in Harare.


<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/germany-europe-s-latest-political-problem-1.3299738?mode=amp">https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/germany-europe-s-latest-political-problem-1.3299738?mode=amp</a>


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Site does seem to have lost its verve... -- James., Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 1:43:42 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.242.195.57)

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The site does seem a bit jaded these days... The passing years have taken their toll; I still very much miss Jimbo and Savage. Nasty little moles (such as Hank de Boise, who'd snarl at his own shadow) took their toll too, and a final nail in the coffin was when, as I understand it, an elite broke away and founded an alternative site. Membership of that seemed to be by invitation only.

Plus ca change...* What's the odds that even if Mug leaves the scene, he will
be replaced by another tyrant?

*Haven't the skill to flush out a cedilla on this Mac machine.
J.
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Greater expectations -- johnny b (hope), Sat, 18 Nov 2017, 1:39:19 (CPE-101-103-19-7.lnse1.fli.bigpond.net.au/101.103.19.7)

I agree it is becoming a faded/jaded past for some. Look to the future is all very well but don't forget the past ! I'm with you on that Barbara. I said when I left that it will take 40 years to get its wheels back. By then we would be too old to go back to rebuild. The backbone of expertise would be in their 70's now. I'll sit back and watch from my rocking chair !


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Mugabe -- Barbara (Goss), Thu, 16 Nov 2017, 19:21:09 (CPE-101-179-99-114.lnse5.cht.bigpond.net.au/101.179.99.114)

It is sad that there is so little activity here. Unfortunately we have all lost touch with one another and it is difficult to start a conversation again.

Not sure whether it is a bit premature to celebrate, but surely it could not get worse in Zim? We have thought that very thought so often over the years, and each time, it HAS got worse.... We can only hope.


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Mugabe -- Dennis Rhodes (Haddlesey), Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 21:21:52 (02d8bc6b.bb.sky.com/2.216.188.107)

I came to the site thinking as a result of today's news, it would light up! Where have you all gone. 10 years ago this was buzzing. Too bad, all lost like Rhodesia itself.
Dennis


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Magabe -- Nigel Mason (Happy), Wed, 15 Nov 2017, 17:21:43 (APoitiers-157-1-5-219.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr/90.38.92.219)

The dog has had his day. Shame, 37 years to late, however every cloud has a silver lining yippee 😁


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Grassie search -- johnny b (information), Sat, 11 Nov 2017, 5:11:15 (CPE-101-103-19-7.lnse1.fli.bigpond.net.au/101.103.19.7)

There is a Jameson High school FB site which may be useful plus a "we lived in Gatooma" site too. Good luck.


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UDI and a lifestyle that was. -- johnny b (special for some), Sat, 11 Nov 2017, 5:01:39 (CPE-101-103-19-7.lnse1.fli.bigpond.net.au/101.103.19.7)

Just had my monthly peak on BT. Great to see you are on the circuit Barbara. Apologies for not checking earlier. Yes I did look at the stories thanks. So many and with pictures too.

TerryK.. The camps which there were a number I can rattle off were all below a hill/kopjie next to the river called Kom Komarara which is just below the confluence of the Kafue into the Zambezi. There was a holiday resort up river of the Kopjie, (I think this was the one you refer to) the infamous Ticky Austin camped along this area and we still have cine's of the 50-60's from there. That was when Holman and Tilly Lamps did us well and far quiter than a diesel generator drowning out the lion and Hyena behind us.

Today is a special day for many and for more than one reason, whether for WW1 or our special day hoping for a better future. Long did it last. Being resident in Australia it is also recognised for the day Ned Kelly was sentenced to hang. What a day this was !


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GRASSIE Search -- Grassie (Hopeful), Sun, 05 Nov 2017, 6:42:43 (NoHost/41.175.118.204)

Searching for a brother adopted age 5 New name "Grassie"
He was born Timothy John Bennetts
Adopted by Grassie family in 1966 aged 5/6 - shortly after his mother died.
Olive and Peter (fireman Sby) divorced within two years of the adoption and by March 1969 Olive died.
Tim was put into boarding school
Sister Barbara married Alan Davidson and we understand Tim was with her for a time.
We know he went to Jameson High in Gatooma/Kadoma to boardingschool.
But we have a few years missing between there and his national service.
Intake 161 - 1 Indep RR - Beit Bridge.
Girlfriend Katayne Kruger from Marlborough in Sby -
Step father Boet Ferriera and brother in law Holloway all from Sby, Police.
But where is he today?
Family have had a forensic artist age a photo of Tim - this is on their family Face book website.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.facebook.com/HelpfindTimothyJohnBennetts/">https://www.facebook.com/HelpfindTimothyJohnBennetts/</a>


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johnny b & CHIRUNDU -- TerryK (Kirkpatrick), Thu, 26 Oct 2017, 11:55:23 (234-227-105-175.south.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.227.234.175)

johnny - Jecha Point has just been featured on a SafariNow flier to my email address. Wondered if there is any connection with your fishing camp in the old days ???

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.safarinow.com/go/jechapointfishinglodgezambiziriver/">https://www.safarinow.com/go/jechapointfishinglodgezambiziriver/</a>

Some fab looking places advertised in Zim but at exorbitant prices .... and I wonder how the visitors deal with local transport with all the reported roadblock piracy. Friends who love Mana Pools not only choose to fly in there these days but will also only fly to Harare


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doddieburn -- hank (hank@yahoo.com), Fri, 06 Oct 2017, 20:52:15 (host-174-45-84-207.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net/174.45.84.207)

You sure it's Hamilton, not Henderson?


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Hamilton - Doddieburn Ranch -- Eilidh (Eilidh), Tue, 03 Oct 2017, 21:46:06 (NoHost/1.152.107.160)

Hi there
Does anyone know what happened to Alan and Ian Hamilton of the Doddieburn Ranch in Colleen Bawn. My Dad lost touch in the 1970's and was hoping to locate them or their family.
Thanks


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Johnny B -- Barbara (Goss), Sat, 16 Sep 2017, 20:25:31 (CPE-124-176-216-173.lns5.win.bigpond.net.au/124.176.216.173)

It's always good to see your postings Johnny B! Keep posting reminiscences - once we are gone all those memories will be gone too. Perhaps some readers of this site will be interested in <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.barbaragoss.com/rhodiememories/">http://www.barbaragoss.com/rhodiememories/</a> which I put together when this site was vibrant with lots of postings and fun.


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Camping on the Zambezi. -- johnny b (What a pleasure !), Sat, 16 Sep 2017, 11:26:54 (NoHost/101.103.0.245)

Glen, and fellow BT'rs :- To think we had a 99 year lease on a four acre plot on the river below Chirundu, paid annual fees and kept the roads in good nick. When they did the take over (1984), the national parks said either leave it as an existing camp or pull it down and return the land to the original "state". We took the latter option (I can't guess why. Heh heh!), knocked down all the bricks and morter and took the corrugated iron and timbers back to the farm, stacked the bricks on site and the Zambians helped themselves over time to the bricks. Needless to say during the bush war (1975-79) they also did us out of our beds, the deep freeze went missing as did the cutlery and crockery. Our camp boy (resident groundsman) lost his job with the camp being repossesed. Eventually found one of the rusted bed frames when the river was low a few years later (1980), I don't think Zambian dugouts are good for furniture removals! The fishing was still good though!

I remember Pro hunters shot a Buffalo bull at the spruit next to the camp with horns spanning 40" (tip to tip). All the memories gone up in smoke ! Will have to get down to your neck of the woods eventually Glen and hear a few yarns from your side ! Got to get back to work to pay for our next holiday. Been on this media too often, someone elses turn now. Cheers.


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Chirundu and Kariba -- Glen, Thu, 14 Sep 2017, 2:16:44 (NoHost/101.166.237.237)

Too bloody true about Chirundu and Kariba, Johnny..those were the days and we thought they'd last forever..


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Welcome and keep well -- johnny b (surprise surprise !), Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 6:10:55 (NoHost/101.103.0.245)

Wow, good to see another familiar member ! Hi Barbara, I guess FB also is sharing valuable time plus gardening and family! Having my bi-monthly look in and still see it is pretty quite on the page. James, Jon :- Reckon the music world is very fickle these days and rather a business than a passion, here in Australia country and western is still followed by the country folk but in the big cities the music following is far more modern and DJ's play for the young crowd who are their main recipients and music buyers.(there are a few good hits which stand the test of time). The memory is too full of 60'70'80'90's to take in the fly by night stuff!

Just been for a trip on Great Ocean Road and have chamelion eyes, one on the scenery and one on the pot holes, lots of slips being attended to. Hopefully they will patch the roads in time for next summer holidays. Otherwise a good time beating the crowds.
Miss my trips to Kariba and Chirundu where you didn't have to pay to see the wild life, many a good time watching the game come down to drink while fishing for tiger and vundu. Aah! it was good.


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picanin -- Barbara Goss, Sun, 27 Aug 2017, 2:19:27 (CPE-124-176-216-173.lns5.win.bigpond.net.au/124.176.216.173)

Hi Jon. Barbara is still here! Don't look in very often these days but I remember many happy times chatting here. We are all older (and wiser?) but still the same people we were!


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Picanin -- Jon, Sat, 19 Aug 2017, 9:04:21 (NoHost/193.38.100.250)

Hello folks.

Rodriguez is a lot better known in the world today than he was when we were young. I have bought Cold Fact on vinyl here in the UK. Ten years ago he was still pretty unknown but has seen a big resurgence in interest in his music over the intervening years.

Secondly folks, some may remember me from years ago on here. I remember a couple of names on here from those busy days that I see are still posting. Curious to find out where in the world are Jen Andre and Barbara - her surname evades me now - who was such an internet savvy lady in the days when the Web was still a toddler. Jen went back to SA and Barbara was Oz based. Anyone know?


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good time skits -- johnny b (our time line), Thu, 17 Aug 2017, 13:28:17 (NoHost/101.103.0.245)

James- Yes, thanks to you tube there is still a wealth of musik out there and skits to see. Glad to know that SA has more to it than the current jungle politicians. One of Piet Pompies-Sun glasses (sonbrillitjies) was a sixties hit that he has taken one step further just for the hell of it! Dozy is also well known and sings old and new styles, even CCR and Ticky draai (Wat kom nou)
Here in Aussy they also have a soft spot for Rodrigues (Cold Fact fame)who in his own country (Sth America) is not famous but in SA is a legend. Have had his biography "Searching for Sugarman" screened here more than a few times.
Great to have a flik into the past now and again. Go well.


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Boeremusiek -- John, Sat, 12 Aug 2017, 8:02:44 (NoHost/101.186.178.94)

Lest we forget the great Piet Pompies.


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Hennie De Bruyn -- James, Tue, 18 Jul 2017, 21:25:26 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.233.173.184)

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Hello Johnny B. Seems a bit odd that Hennie De Bruyn never employs a singer.
I wonder how his music woud go don in the American South? I think he'd be a hit.
Typed titles of his pieces contain many typos. James.
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translation -- johnny b (interest), Tue, 18 Jul 2017, 14:15:30 (CPE-1-123-134-51.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.134.51)

James S - Dream in Afrikaans is droom but in that previous context appears appropriate. As Hennie doesn't do vocals I guess it will remain a mystery ! I guess it is like Nicco Carstens calling a song Skokiaan !

Maggi good to see you're still around, Sad about Geoff unfortunatly I was still young and fit in Bulawayo and didn't get to know the doctors. May his family be proud of him.


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humour -- johnny b (between the lines), Tue, 18 Jul 2017, 13:58:24 (CPE-1-123-134-51.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.134.51)

I hope some of us do look into the Zim Situation news occasionally as some of it makes one have a snigger and a laugh at the antics of the higher ranked members of society. It always berates the unfortunate masses but who am I to change history.

I always used to look at it in the hope of seeing some light at the end of the tunnel for everyone, but now look at it to find some form of light humour.


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Family -- Maggi, Sun, 02 Jul 2017, 1:33:51 (ppp121-44-137-80.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net/121.44.137.80)

Morning .... not sure how many folk here knew Geoff Pridgeon, GP in Bulawayo. He passed away from a heart attack a couple of weeks back. Trying to find any family living in that part of the world. Geoff was at university with my husband in the early 1980's.. Thanks.


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Languages do die... -- James (Sleigh), Fri, 30 Jun 2017, 3:55:25 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.233.173.184)

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Johnny B.

Many thanks for the translation. Hard to believe that Afrikaans may be a dying language. But languages do die and I think the globe is the poorer for it when they do. I like it for many reasons - I love the sound of it, the memories it brings, and it's honest directness.
JAMES.
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De Bryun song -- johnny b (translation), Tue, 20 Jun 2017, 14:30:46 (CPE-1-123-0-217.sfl9.fli.bigpond.net.au/1.123.0.217)

James S.- I would say direct translation is "soft thoughts", but I would translate this as "sweet dreams" in music lingo. Afrikaans is a dying language from what I hear in SA's general population. The masses are cutting off their noses to spite their face. Chilapalapa still reigns begrudgingly to them ! They would rather everyone spoke the chief of the moments language, which doesn't have a equivalent word for courtesy or transmission!

JP.-Not often you see the Kiwi teams lose, always give a good performance and keep you on the edge of the seat. That is the pleasure of good rugby ! Lekker bly !


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Sagte Gedagtes.. -- James (Sleigh), Sat, 17 Jun 2017, 20:15:43 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.233.173.184)

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RAY, JOHNNY B or anyone...

What is the English for the Afrikaans "SAGTE GEDAGTES" the Hennie De Bruyn song?
Is it something like, 'Thinking aloud' or 'Spoken thoughts'?

With thanks, JAMES.
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Howzit -- Jo Pete, Sat, 17 Jun 2017, 12:14:26 (79-227-105-162.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.227.79.162)

Yo BT. Just checking in. Watched Lions demolish Maori All Blacks this morning. By far their most impressive game on the current tour.
Then Le Mans and Americas Cup about to happen,happy days except no coverage of Americas cup here,24 her live coverage of Le Mans though.


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looking -- dennis (seeking), Fri, 09 Jun 2017, 15:45:00 (CPE-58-167-80-151.lnse5.ken.bigpond.net.au/58.167.80.151)

regarding the bakery - forgot to include my email address occ1doc@bigpond.com


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LOOKING FOR -- DENNIS (SEEKING), Fri, 09 Jun 2017, 15:41:46 (CPE-58-167-80-151.lnse5.ken.bigpond.net.au/58.167.80.151)

help this will involve scratching your brains and memories - trying to trace the persons who ran the italian bakery in avondale (in the cinema complex) king george rd in the early 1970's thanks


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Looking for Douglas Paterson -- Alexandra Smith, Tue, 06 Jun 2017, 17:48:26 (host109-145-218-71.range109-145.btcentralplus.com/109.145.218.71)

I am looking for Douglas Paterson, born 23/03/1942. He was born and lived in Fort Victoria, he married a Christie, he has a son called Brian/Bryan.
His Father was John Nelson Paterson and his Mother was Johanna Marie Paterson/Buytelaar.
Please contact me: farranalex@btinternet.com.


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Chippies dance band -- johnny b (Found and not lost.), Tue, 06 Jun 2017, 16:04:54 (NoHost/101.103.40.197)

James S, glad you located Chippies. There was two of the same record on ebay and some other site going for $34 and 11 Euros. It had various bands on it too. A little before my time tho'! 60's to 80's Rhodie stuff were my drinking songs. Including the band Leprechaun and Mike Westcot. Nothing is better than putting stylus to vinyl or know that you have the authentic originals !


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Johnny B en Boeremusiek... -- James Sleigh, Tue, 06 Jun 2017, 5:06:16 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.233.173.184)

Hello Johnny,

Many thanks for the response. I have taken a great shine to Hennie De Bruyn in particular and will follow up your suggestions. My boet and I have been trying to track down recordings made as early as 1947 in N. Rhodesia of "Chippies Dance Band" and he finally discovered three on an obscure l.p. I still have a few 78 rpms
dating back to my boyhood - late 40's!
JAMES.


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Arnold Fulton of Mutare -- Robb Ellis, Mon, 05 Jun 2017, 17:24:42 (027fe908.bb.sky.com/2.127.233.8)

I spoke briefly with Pat in Mutare just now. Sadly, Arnold Fulton (Bernie's brother) passed away this morning. Bernie is devastated. So sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Yours in sorrow, Robb


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James S -- johnny b (old recordings), Mon, 05 Jun 2017, 15:22:52 (NoHost/101.103.40.197)

Firstly good to see a few shamwaris popping up and I hope this finds you all well. Good health to JP,TK,R,R and many others.

James S I was also hunting for old recordings and I find if you look at Springbok radio they have a maze of archive material you won't find through normal channels and won't cost you. Just maak n'plan to save them ! From there you will find deviations of other recording labels (MFP etc) which will even have Pik Freedman recordings and LM radio archive stuff. Happy hunting, make time to enjoy the past !! There is even some good clips of video stuff of Hennie on Youtube too. I buy a stash of SA music CD's at Jans Smuts(OT) every time I go through. Cheers. Lekker bly.


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Hello! -- James SLEIGH, Sun, 04 Jun 2017, 4:51:31 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.233.173.184)

Hello!
Just passing.
I'm trying to get my hands on an audio cassette or CD of Hennie De Bruyn ("Weskus Snare"), but my attempts with Ebay and Amazon have not been successful. Other sites make it too complicated for me - I don't want to stream(?) the music - I'd just like to be able to buy then play a cassette or CD.
With thanks. James.


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RHODIE COMS -- TerryK, Thu, 18 May 2017, 17:33:33 (host213-122-83-31.range213-122.btcentralplus.com/213.122.83.31)

Hi Guys - I pop in now and again - agree with Jo Pete. Pity - this was a great site once upon a time. Also interested to know about Ray. Enjoyed our bird exchanges in particular.
Safe my Mates


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Ray -- John, Tue, 16 May 2017, 15:41:03 (NoHost/120.156.138.216)

Cheers Jo Pete for the update go well bud.


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RAY -- Jo Pete, Mon, 15 May 2017, 15:18:33 (144-228-105-217.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.228.144.217)

Yo again BT. John B Ray is good he posts occasionally on FB. Same old,still in the same place.
There is some real shit on this page now.


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Mana -- Jo Pete, Mon, 15 May 2017, 15:11:30 (144-228-105-217.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.228.144.217)

Yo BT. Howzit John B. Mana still very good. My daughters are there at least 2x a year. Fo some years it has been open year round. An upmarket lodge was opened there some years back. There is a facebook page Friends of Mana which is very informative with some really great wildlife pics.


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Ray -- Roger, Mon, 15 May 2017, 9:35:49 (122-56-197-188.mobile.spark.co.nz/122.56.197.188)

I have heard nothing from Ray for months now. Surely some regulars must still be around!


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Ray -- John, Fri, 05 May 2017, 20:42:13 (NoHost/120.156.138.216)

Any more info regards Ray ?

Cheers for now.


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Monthly checkup -- johnny b (Have they gone ?), Mon, 01 May 2017, 15:30:55 (CPE-58-170-114-1.lns2.fli.bigpond.net.au/58.170.114.1)

Cheers Mate ! 1st of May today, hunting season starts here on ducks and big game in Africa. That was the time to go tour Mana Pools as the wildlife would get refuge during the hunting season. I wonder if this is a thing of the past now ?


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weirdo's -- Roger, Sun, 23 Apr 2017, 10:55:43 (122-56-200-29.mobile.spark.co.nz/122.56.200.29)

You are right Johnny B, I think this is an orchestrated weirdo bonanza, get a life guys and let folk with a common interest try to keep their site alive, and enjoy memories of the past and present.


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theatre phobia -- johnny b (same subject), Mon, 17 Apr 2017, 13:13:26 (CPE-1-123-12-234.sfl9.fli.bigpond.net.au/1.123.12.234)

guess one gets the drift, yankee/english spelling !


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Way off course Knut Holt -- johnny b (disgust), Sat, 15 Apr 2017, 12:41:58 (CPE-1-123-12-234.sfl9.fli.bigpond.net.au/1.123.12.234)

What has this got to do with a Rhodesiana blog site ??? No wonder it never gets a look in anymore if this is the content it has to display. It should be on another forum for people with operating theater fobia or something. What a waste of time coming on this site. Face Book has more information these days.


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Secret internal body inspections of children, teens and young adults under general anesthesia -- Knut Holt, Fri, 17 Mar 2017, 13:10:20 (238.166.255.148.d.dyn.claro.net.do/148.255.166.238)

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Memories of the things told about here can often pop up as flashbacks or in dreams and be misinterpreted as attacks by spirits, as alien abduction or as sexual abuse by parents or near persons.

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Secret Medical Exams in Young People Under General Anesthesia

By Knut Holt
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In some societies in America, Europe and other parts of the World, young persons are frequently examined in a secretive way with endoscopic techniques through body openings when they are under general anesthesia for some other non-secret purpose, like tonsillectomy, small plastic surgeries or dental work. Often the secret exam is the main reason for putting the person to sleep, and the other procedure is conveniently done as a pretence only.
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Occationally you can read in media about young women secretly being used as training objects for gynecological procedures when they are under anesthesia for some other reason. But the practice of doing secret medical exams and procedures on persons that are under anesthesia for other primary reasons, or for pretended primary reasons, seems to be much wider than just these occurences sometimes getting headlines in newspapers. This seems to occur especially on children of both sexes and adults up to the age of 25.

The conclusions expressed in this article have been obtained after collection of many testimonials from people in various parts of North America and Europe, and by comparing these testimonials. It explains several disturbing patterns that young persons frequently experience at hospitals and health centers, that it is difficult to explain otherwise.

In several societies young people put under anesthesia for some common procedures are often secretly examined in other parts of the body than those where the main procedure is taking place. This most often happens with children and young people up to the age of 25. Such extra secret examinations are most often directed to the pelvic area and stomach region, and they are most often done when the person is under general anesthesia for a procedure in the upper body, like tonsillectomy, dental work, small plastic surgeries, wisdom teeth removal and eartube insertion.

Often the secret examinations seem to be the main purpose of bringing the young person under anesthesia, and the non-secret procedure is arranged mainly to have a pretence to put the young person to sleep. In the same societies there is a growing tendency to use general anesthesia for procedures on young persons when discomfort and pain can as easily or more easily be avoided with simpler methods, probably because deep anesthesia makes it more easy to perform additional exams or procedures without the patient knowing about it.

The patient is usually told nothing about these extra procedures. Sometimes the parents are aware of the things been done and have agreed to it, but more often the procedure is held secret to both the young person and the parents. When the patient ask about the reason for symptoms caused by such secret ordeals, they are usually given some dummy explanation that sounds unreal, or the staff admits to a small part of the secret ordeal, but not the whole of it.


PROCEDURES COMMONLY DONE IN SUCH A SECRET MANNER

Usually more than one secret procedures are performed under the same session. The most common procedures seem to be:

- Inspection of the urethra, bladder and sometimes the channels up into the kidneys with an optical scope.

- Endoscopic inspection of the vagina and sometimes the inside of the uterus in girls and young women.

- Inspection of the vagina using a speculum.

- Endoscopic examination of the anus, lower colon or entire colon.

- Inspection of the abdominal cavity through an opening made in the navel or just under the navel.

- External ultrasound exam of the lower stomach and the genitals.

- Ultrasound exam of the pelvic region with a sond inserted into the vagina or anus.

- Examination of the upper digestive tract with an optical scope inserted through the mouth.

- Examination of the joint with ultrasound probes and x-ray imaging.

During the endoscopic inspection samples of tissue, secretion and microbial flora is commonly taken.



SYMPTOMS INDICATING THAT SOME SECRET PROCEDURE HAVE BEEN PERFORMED

Generally the staff that performs these secret procedures, try to do them as cautiously as possible to avoid symptoms afterwards. But the procedures themselves or arrangements will inevitably leave some symptoms and cause some observations that indicate some untold ordeal. The most common of these are:

- The patient have to clean out the content of his stomach with laxatives or other means for procedures where this normally is not necessary.

- The young person is unexpectedly called in for some small surgery that they did not know they needed, and observes that the same happens with classmates and friends. But since the surgery usually is of a very common kind, the patient think this is something commonly needed and do not make further questions about the reason.

- Staff other than that expected to perform and help during the primary non-secret surgery are present and show their interest during the hospital stay.

- The time to wake up after the surgery is substantially longer than expected.

- When the patient wakes up he has unexpected catheters, tubes or wires going in through body openings. Often these are hastenedly taken out during the process of waking up.

- After the surgery there is pain, small injuries, bleeding or rest of lubrication in body openings that are not object for the primary surgery. Usually these symptoms are observed in the urethra, vagina or anus.

- The navel or the area just beneath is sore and plastered, as if an opening have been made there.

- There are unexpected stitch-marks or plastered areas appear on the belly, the kidney zone, the head or the chest.

- There is pain and distress in and around the shoulder joints and hip joints, as if arms and legs have been widely spread and held in a spread and stretched position a long time.

- The staff is suspiciously eager to examine other body areas than those subjected to the non-secret procedures. Most often the area of extra attention is the pelvic zone.



REASONS FOR DOING SECRET MEDICAL INVESTIGATIONS ON YOUNG PEOPLE

Often the instances requiring secret medical exams done on young persons are authorities of various kind, like child protective agencies, police, community health authorities, the school a child attends, research institutes or military authorities. Sometimes parents or guardians are those asking for the procedures to be done, and sometimes the procedure has been recommended by the family doctor or pediatrician.

The staff prefer doing the examinations under disguise of some other procedure, because they think that knowledge about these highly intimate and intrusive exams would harm the child or the parents psychologically, bring protests from the parents or the child, make stories circulate, or the knowledge could cause the staff to be accused of sexual abuse.

Actual purposes for doing such exams are:

- The patient is used for practical training in endoscopic procedures for medical students and doctors under specialization.

- Authorities perform general surveillance of the health status of the young population in the society.

- One surveils presence of specific microbes in the bodies of the young population.

- Authorities are secretly mapping evidence of sexual activities in the young population.

- Research projects are going on, especially projects regarding growth and physical development of children and adolescents.

- Health institutions harvest tissue, especially stem cells to be used for research and in treatment of other patients.

- One investigates symptoms of possible disease in a young person.

- Child protection agencies or other authorities suspect parents or other near persons to subject the child for sexual abuse, physical abuse or neglect of needs, and want to investigate without neither the parents, nor the child to know.

- Authorities secretly places electronic chips in the body of young persons to be able to follow the whereabouts and physiological parameters in the person by wireless transmission.

Some societies seem to do mandatory or recommended endocopic exams through body opening of children and teens at specific age levels as a kind of comprehensive physical screening. One prefers however not to let the young person know about it, and disguise it by doing it in the same session as some other non-secret surgery under anesthesia.

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In certain areas the health authorities has begun to subject children and teens to extended well-child physicals where one performs several or all of the following procedures: inspections with optical scopes through all or several body openings,ultrasound examinations of most body structures, x-ray taking of joints, EEG and EKG. The kid is often given sedation or even general anesthesia during these extended physicals to make the kid cooperative and to hinder him or her from remembering. Still the kid will remember a lot of details around the procedures and sometimes also from the procedures themselves, because anesthesia never works perfectly, and the kid will always have some symptoms afterwards that tell a lot of what has been done. This poll has the aim of investigating experiences from such ordeals.

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Secret flying surveillance vehicles powered by nuclear energy -- Knut Holt, Fri, 17 Mar 2017, 13:05:38 (238.166.255.148.d.dyn.claro.net.do/148.255.166.238)

Aerial Surveillance Vehicles Powered by Nuclear Energy
By Knut Holt

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The great powers in the World, like USA, Russia and China, probably posses nuclearly powered aerial vehicles used for surveillance of own population, border surveillance and also intended to be used for crowd control in case of serious riots. When these are seen by people, they likely cause an UFO report.

The view expressed in this article is formed after scrutinizing a great number of UFO observations, including histories of allegedly crashed UFOs, and upon historical records of successful experiments done with nuclear jet engines in the 1960es. It may explain much of the UFO activity observed around the globe since the early 1960es.

Governments in both USA, Russia and China use aerial surveillance vehicles powered by nuclear energy, that are held aloft for long periods without any need to go to a base for fuel refill. These are mostly operated as remote controlled drones, but can occasionally be manned.

They are mostly held aloft at a very high altitudes to monitor a broad area, but sometimes directed down to specific areas for near investigation. When they are observed by people, an UFO report is likely produced. They are mostly used to watch own territory or territory of allies, both to record activities in the population and to detect penetration by foreign powers.

The vehicles are probably not intended to be used as regular military combat units, since the technology is poorly fit for that purpose. They may however be fit with tools for crowd controle, and some are probably equipped to strike down extreme occurrences of domestic riots. Report of people being paralyzed or even hurt by light beams, humming sounds and various kind of power fields from UFOs might originate from these tools being tested on samples of the population.

The nuclear propulsion system does not need frequent refill of tanked fuel, and therefore the vehicles can be held aloft for long periods. The propulsion system has the capacity to give a powerful thrust and thus make the vehicles capable of moving quickly from place to place.

The nuclear propulsion can be constructed in several ways. One way is by a central nuclear reactor connected to generators of electric power. The electricity will then be used to drive fans of various kind for propulsion.

Another way is a nuclear reactor that is warming up some fluid medium to a high temperature, most probably liquid metal. The fluid medium is circulated between the reactor and jet motors using the heat from the medium as energy source.

A third way are jet engines driven by nuclear fission processes inside the engine itself.

A problem with the construction of such vehicles is the need to shield for the radiation made by the nuclear processes. This problems are mostly overcome by hiding the reactors or nuclear jet engines inside heavy structures that also serve as the central architectural structures of the vehicle itself.

By using architectural structures as shielding, the radiation from nuclear processes can be shielded off without adding much extra weight to the vehicle. Weight will also be spared because fuel tanks and combustion fuel are avoided.

The propulsion system is mostly hided inside the body of the vehicle and these vehicles are mostly constructed to be able to take-off and land vertically (VTOL). The vehicles mostly have a shape like a triangle, a flying wing, an ovoid shape or a disc-like shape, which are the shapes typically associated with UFOs. One mostly chooses such shapes because they make it easy to construct the shielding for radiation and provide VTOL capabilities.

Since there is no combustion processes taking place in these vehicles, they will not eject any flames or emit much light when operated at low speeds. The jet engines or exhaust air used to cool the reactor will however glow faintly because of the temperature in the exhausted air. The glow is usually seen at symmetrically arranged spots on the vehicle body where hot air is let out. This faint glow is easily observed in night time, but is hardly seen in daylight.

When the vehicle is operated at high speed or is accelerated, the temperature in the exhausted air will increase sharply, and parts of the vehicle will then glow brightly, and the exhausted hot air can even look like flames. The light from the hot spots can then also be reflected from great areas of the vehicle body so that the whole vehicle seems to be glowing.

Sometimes also lanterns are lit on the vehicle to warn other air traffic to avoid collision, or the vehicle emits spotlight for observational purposes. All these variable glow and light pattern are also a typical part of UFO reports.

All technologies will fail sometimes, and when thi type of vehicles fail, one can in most cases expect them to descend to a low altitude and then cautiously fly back to the base, but in an erratic manner. In more severe cases one can expect them to crash or even burn up or explode in the air. Due to the content with highly radioactive material and very warm molten substances, one can expect the wreckage to be hot and be glowing a long time afterwards.

One can also expect special military units, to immediately detect the incidence. Then they will typically follow the vehicle back to the base in a helicopter, if it can still fly. If the vehicle cannot fly any more, or is totally wrecked, one can expect the military units to immediately hurry to the place, fence off the area from the public, gather the remains and tidy up the place.

However, as the technology improves, one can expect these incidents to be steadily more seldome. There are several reports on UFO incidents of exactly this kind, connected to exactly this type of behaviour from military units. But as the time has passed, these incinents have got rather rare, just as one can exopect with a stedily improved technology.

There are a few reports about wreckage materials recovered by sivillians and sent to analysis in laboratories. What has come forth from these analyses, is that the material were state of the art metallic alloys that did not point to any extraterrestrial origine. The properties of UFO incidents are therefor a strong indication of the existance of nuclearly powered surveillance vehicles owned by governments.

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If you read old and recent UFO testamonials, you cclearly will see that the UFOs have gone through a stylish and technological development. The early UFOs looked like contraptions from the 1940es, while recent UFOs loook and behave like modern hypersoni vehicles in all means. This is a clear indication that they are made here on earth by black projects. Some of the technology also seems to have a beginning in Germany before WW2, and especially the exotic propelling mechanisms some of them seem to use. These exotic principles do not seem to be complicated in principle, but they require advanced control mechanisms to be exploited in its full extent, and this is the aspect that really seems to have evolved throughout the years


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End of Empire -- Rhodesia, Tue, 07 Mar 2017, 5:05:43 (NoHost/1.129.96.116)




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Pamela A.Brown -- Shirley Holmes (Hopeful), Tue, 28 Feb 2017, 12:33:01 (cpc12-camd15-2-0-cust178.20-2.cable.virginm.net/82.45.252.179)

Pamela Ann Brown sought, she was at 1 Wheeler Avenue,Eastlea,Salisbury/Harare in 1967. Until recently a J.H.E.Brown was at this address. She would have been born in Rhodesia in the late 1940's or early1950's.A family member is seeking her. Thanks - Shirley


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burnt with a blowtorch -- left for dead in a ditch, Sun, 26 Feb 2017, 3:10:55 (60-241-125-39.static.tpgi.com.au/60.241.125.39)

Susan Howarth and Robert Lynn were attacked by masked raiders on their property in Dullstroom in Mpumalanga province in the east of the country.
After being burnt with a blowtorch, the couple were put in the back of a pick-up truck, shot and left for dead in a ditch.


<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-engineer-pays-tribute-to-wife-who-was-killed-and-tortured-in-horror-robbery-on-south-african-farm-35482014.html">http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-engineer-pays-tribute-to-wife-who-was-killed-and-tortured-in-horror-robbery-on-south-african-farm-35482014.html</a>


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Ray -- Roger, Mon, 06 Feb 2017, 1:09:20 (115-189-89-204.mobile.spark.co.nz/115.189.89.204)

Has anybody heard from Ray, it has been a long time now, hope he is OK.


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rain rain ! -- johnny b (swim swim), Sun, 15 Jan 2017, 11:07:59 (CPE-1-123-151-197.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.151.197)

Looks like there has been a serious downpour in the Gatooma area 16 inches since Monday, wonder how the eastern districts are doing.Going to have to learn the breastroke crawl pretty smartly !


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terlan -- semedzade (0557426138), Fri, 13 Jan 2017, 10:26:22 (NoHost/94.20.116.164)


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Reuniting Adoptees / Families 1940 - 2000 -- Suzie (SEARCHING HELP), Tue, 03 Jan 2017, 21:55:30 (ip-120-136-51-130.solarix.net.nz/120.136.51.130)


We are a volunteer Group of Ladies helping to reunite families and loved ones -1940-2000

We are on Adoption-Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) Facebook group
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We have a long list of people still searching, if you are part of the equation please join us.

Adoptive parents helping their child find their birth parents, Birth Parents, Adoptees, Aunts and Uncles, full siblings and half siblings... ALL SEARCHING


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Timothy John Grassie -- Suzie (SEARCHING HELP), Tue, 03 Jan 2017, 21:49:28 (ip-120-136-51-130.solarix.net.nz/120.136.51.130)

Searching for Tim John TJ Grassie born 1960
Tim was adopted by the Grassies, in 1966 after his mother passed away.

He was in intake 161 January 18 1978. 1 Platoon A Coy. Had a very bad stutter - He was then in 1 Indep Coy RR - Beit Bridge, till I would guess Sept 1979.

1967 David Livingstone Gr1
1970 - 1973 Digglefold Primary - Marandellas
1974 - 1975 Jameson High Gatooma (STARR HOUSE)
1976 - 1977??

The family home (Flat) Fornham House, corner 8th and Livingstone Avenue, Salisbury (1969 to 1978)

Peter Grassie was Tims adoptive dad he was a Salisbury Fireman.
Olive Grassie passed away in 1969
Adoptive Sisters have been found they have no clue what happened to him - they left for SA when he was doing his NS. Barbara Grassie married Davidson a medic based Gwelo, Bulawayo and Fort Vic - Catherine Grassie Married Capouya (sp) Bindura

Anyone have any idea where he is today?


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2017 -- johnny b (greetings), Sun, 01 Jan 2017, 10:48:01 (NoHost/101.103.0.211)

To all BT'rs far and wide. May there be a brighter 2017 to everyone and may there be dimmer one for those who displaced us. Long may we live to remember where we came from.


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Book for sale on Ian Smith era -- Stan Mattews, Tue, 20 Dec 2016, 18:51:18 (NoHost/155.93.137.223)

I have a lot of books for sale on the Ian Smith era and one of the book is signed by Ian Smith.
You can contact me on 0824529536.


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RHODESIAN INDEPENDENCE DAY -- Tim Murphy St. Louis, Missouri, USA, Fri, 11 Nov 2016, 20:20:30 (68-188-68-66.static.stls.mo.charter.com/68.188.68.66)

To all Rhodesians, whether by birth or by spirit,
HAPPY 51st INDEPENDENCE DAY!


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GARY HOCKING -- TerryK, Fri, 23 Sep 2016, 18:16:12 (host86-162-218-25.range86-162.btcentralplus.com/86.162.218.25)

I have sent an email to Morag Tritt (neé Mcdonald) using the email address in the Rhodie Database. It is in connection with the "Tribute to Sox" at Gary Hocking's grave in Christchurch.

Please contact me here if your email address has changed and you did not get my message.

Regards
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African asylum seekers travel to Mexican border cities in an effort to obtain U.S. asylum -- Asylum Seekerd, Sun, 11 Sep 2016, 12:04:30 (NoHost/120.17.2.132)



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Question for JoPete -- Anthony Brooks, Sat, 03 Sep 2016, 21:39:16 (adsl-108-129-170-46.aby.bellsouth.net/108.129.170.46)

Howzit JoPete. A question for you. Who was the bloke referred to as the "Japanese Admiral?" I think he worked for the BSAP in Gwelo.


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KIM RULE -- TerryK, Thu, 25 Aug 2016, 9:03:03 (host86-156-199-10.range86-156.btcentralplus.com/86.156.199.10)

Morning Mark - suggest that you spend some time on Google. Simply enter the key words (and vary their sequence) and then plough through the results before perhaps refining your Google search. I found Kim Rule very quickly - he features in a colours ceremony with the Queen Mother.

Suggest you visit / join a website such as <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://rhodesianafricanrifles.co.uk/">http://rhodesianafricanrifles.co.uk/</a> and follow up through their Contacts pages. (For some reason website addresses appear in a more complicated format in the posting !!!)

This site is packed with Rhodesian military men (and women) so I am surprised no one has posted a response. However it is very quiet here these days.

Happy Googling


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Mrs. Molly Rule -- Mark B. Mitskovski, Tue, 23 Aug 2016, 22:18:16 (pool-74-110-0-26.bflony.east.verizon.net/74.110.0.26)

Terry~

Thanks so much for the information, I had not discovered it...can you tell me where you found it...FYI contacted the WCC several times and they have not been forthcoming at all, not even acknowledging the email requests.

Do you know with any certainty whether this Molly Rule is related,as in wife of, the late Lt. Col. Kim Rule of the Rhodesian African Rifles((RAR)??? Appreciate your help and any guidance you may provide!

Best regards Sir ~ Mark


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MOLLY RULE -- TerryK, Tue, 23 Aug 2016, 9:31:28 (host86-156-199-10.range86-156.btcentralplus.com/86.156.199.10)

Mark perhaps you have already found this -

RULE, Mollie (1899 - 1965), Deputy Field Representative and Senior Resettlement Officer, World Council of Churches, Greece, since 1953

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.U50417?rskey=hvyZ6L&result=73683">http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.U50417?rskey=hvyZ6L&result=73683</a>

I can't get any further without subscribing.

Good luck.


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Molly Rule -- Mark B. Mitskovski, Tue, 23 Aug 2016, 3:53:42 (pool-71-186-238-68.bflony.east.verizon.net/71.186.238.68)

Thanks for the information Terry.

I can't speak to the organization.
However Mrs. Rule, as I understand it, was an outstanding administrator who ran a tight ship and cared deeply for her charges...in fact, if it was wasn't for her kindness and care, my parents would have been forcibly separated by Greek authorities,as it was their preferred method of ethnic destruction/cleansing of Macedonian's, and likely never to be rejoined...in effect, my family would not exist... Mrs. Rule chose to be proactive and an outstanding human being, not to mention being my Godmother, and for that we owe her and her descendants our eternal gratitude.

It is for this reason that I am trying to locate them. If you happen to have any information that may helpful, I will surely be appreciative of obtaining it.

All the Best~ Mark







Mark


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WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES -- TerryK, Mon, 22 Aug 2016, 8:19:49 (host86-156-199-10.range86-156.btcentralplus.com/86.156.199.10)

Mark - FYI the WCC was considered to be massively misguided in my home town of Gwelo.

See this EXTRACT FROM WIKIPEDIA
QUOTE
"The Programme to Combat Racism was a political programme of the World Council of Churches during the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. It funded a number of liberation movements while those groups were involved in violent struggle, including UNITA and the MPLA in Angola; FRELIMO in Mozambique; SWAPO in South West Africa/Namibia; the Patriotic Front in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe; and the ANC and Pan Africanist Congress in South Africa. According to Rachel Tingle, between 1979 and 1991 the PCR gave a total of $9,749,500 to such groups.

[1]In 1970, Reader's Digest suggested that the PCR was contributing to fourteen groups involved in revolutionary guerrilla activities, some of which were Communist in ideology and receiving arms from the Soviet Union.

[2]In 1977 "The Fraudulent Gospel"[3] was published in the USA and Britain and carried a graphic photo on the front cover of 27 Black Rhodesians it said were "massacred by WCC-financed terrorists in Eastern Rhodesia in December 1976".

Donating $85,000 to the Patriotic Front of Zimbabwe (ZANU) in 1978, months after the group shot down an airliner, killing 38 of the 56 passengers on board. Members are reported to have killed 10 survivors (this was denied by the Front).[4]

This caused much controversy in the past among member churches. A Time Magazine article had the title "Going Beyond Charity: Should Christian cash be given to terrorists?”.[5] Further examination of WCC's political programme appeared in Amsterdam to Nairobi - The World Council of Churches and the Third World by Ernest W. Lefever.[6]

The Programme to Combat Racism was changed and concerns addressed through the “Special Commission[citation needed]

Further criticism was also been cited by the Christian right. In the U.S., important elements in such WCC member groups as the United Methodist Church, the United Church of Christ and the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese were upset.[citation needed]"
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Molly Rule -- Mark B. Mitskovski, Mon, 22 Aug 2016, 4:47:24 (pool-71-186-245-234.bflony.east.verizon.net/71.186.245.234)

My apologies for not posting my email, I assumed it would appear automatically...obviously not...email is:
mmitskovski@borisonintl.com

Thanks Much~ Mark


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BBC RADIO 4 SUNDAY -- Nigel, Sun, 21 Aug 2016, 11:51:55 (NoHost/120.17.73.234)



Caroline Wyatt talks to the Baptist Pastor, Evan Mawaire, who's taking on the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe.


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Molly Rule -- ned, Fri, 19 Aug 2016, 20:12:33 (72-12-23-199.static.networktel.net/72.12.23.199)

.....i don't see your e-mail address!!!!


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Descendants' of Mrs. Molly Rule -- Mark B. Mitskovski, Fri, 19 Aug 2016, 18:37:05 (pool-71-186-246-153.bflony.east.verizon.net/71.186.246.153)

For anyone who may be familiar with Mrs. Molly Rule and or descendant's:

I am seeking information on the whereabouts (contact information) for any of Mrs. Molly Rule's(Rhodesian who worked for the World Council of Churches)descendant's. I have a family connection to her and would much appreciate any available referrals or suggestions. Please contact me at the email address provided.

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Best ~ Mark B. Mitskovski


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Spain -- Bob, Tue, 16 Aug 2016, 1:52:57 (NoHost/120.19.29.34)

Moving to Spain? This forum may be helpful.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://britishexpats.com/forum/spain-75/">http://britishexpats.com/forum/spain-75/</a>


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STU - RELOCATING -- TerryK, Sun, 14 Aug 2016, 12:15:13 (host86-156-195-24.range86-156.btcentralplus.com/86.156.195.24)

Stu - surprised that you have not responded - your situation sounded a bit urgent.

If you are concerned about posting your email address please suggest an alternative method of getting in touch.


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relocating to Spain -- ned, Sat, 06 Aug 2016, 0:44:13 (72-12-23-199.static.networktel.net/72.12.23.199)

Stu... as per Terry, supply your e-mail and i can supply info regarding Spain


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RELOCATING -- TerryK, Fri, 05 Aug 2016, 6:47:13 (host86-156-195-24.range86-156.btcentralplus.com/86.156.195.24)

Stu - Been there, done that in so far as the UK is concerned - I should be able to help. I need your email address to open coms.


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Relocating -- Stu Gillman, Thu, 04 Aug 2016, 17:53:34 (vc-gp-n-41-13-134-77.umts.vodacom.co.za/41.13.134.77)

Are there any Rhodies in Europe / UK who can offer sound advise on relocating / working in either Spain or the UK.
Wife and I are in our 60's and need to get out of South Africa..


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HONEY POT -- TerryK, Sun, 24 Jul 2016, 6:00:19 (105-228-38-28.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.228.38.28)

A little "honey pot" to temp Ray out of the trees -

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36854465">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36854465</a>

We all sort of knew this but perhaps not in quite such detail.

Sadness - my beloved Stormers were pulverised 21 - 60 by the Chiefs at a chilly Newlands last night. That's it for Schalk - off the play for Saracens now.

Safe my Mates


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ADOPTION SEARCHES -- Suzanne, Mon, 18 Jul 2016, 17:48:50 (NoHost/41.60.121.135)

We have so many adoptees looking for their parents.

What really irks me is that someone is making money out of these peoples heartache.

How can we help the people searching -- can we not create a Data base so that the people searching have ONE PLACE to go.


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smelling salts -- johnny b (gumtree or bush tree), Mon, 18 Jul 2016, 15:24:47 (CPE-1-123-151-58.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.151.58)

I think this sales pitch dude thinks this is an ebay site or something. Bloody waste of space if I may say so, doesn't even have smelling salts!


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Roll on Summer -- johnny b (too cold, too much rain), Mon, 18 Jul 2016, 15:17:33 (CPE-1-123-151-58.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.151.58)

Yup we are hanging in here, good to see you guys alive ! Must admit I only look in once a month with there being no Ray ray passing comment or medical tips at the moment! where is the bugger? Thanks for verifying the snow stuff Pete. I know we had bad black frost in Selukwe once while at GFS, masasa trees stunted and losing all their branches etc. The mahobohobo trees survived surprising enough.

Here in South Aussy the frost has taken out the last of my sweet potatoe runners, but all it not lost, two months time they will shoot again. Roll on summer!


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GWELO DAYS -- TerryK, Fri, 15 Jul 2016, 12:44:35 (105-228-38-28.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.228.38.28)

Yo Jo Pete - safe my Gwelo Mate. One of the greatest disappointments of my early childhood was being driven to Lower Gwelo and finding out that there was no town / village / garage / swimming pool there !!!

Unlikely to be in Joburg for a while - about to return to the UK for what remains of the summer (!!!) following the arrival of first grandson on 23 July - he is at risk of having Brexit as one of his names.

I remain without a clear opinion on the outcome of the vote - how can you change fundamental systems of governance on such a narrow margin. Even my local sailing club requires a 2/3 majority for changes to the constitution. So little real information was available and so many lies were told. The biggest plus for the new direction will be if the EU financial systems crash - and Italy is not far off.

I fancy Theresa May and many of her first appointments. No hassle about her being female - lets face it so many of the current crop of male leaders have screwed up. Boris remains an enigma to me - is there real intelligence under his brash / stupid facade ??? The next circus could be the USA if Trump gets his hands on it.

Keep the coms flowing. Perhaps your posting will raise Ray from his slumbers.


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Howzit -- Jo Pete, Thu, 14 Jul 2016, 10:21:20 (255-226-105-199.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.226.255.199)

Yo BT. Just checking. Old mates still here and the same old arseholes. Oh well you can't have it all your own way. Johhny B good to see that you are still around.Terry K if you happen around Jhb here we are. Bewg and graze no prob.
The recent snow in Gwelo wasn't snow and wasn't in Gwelo. It was a form of sleet and fell in a very localised ans small area 47 Km NW of Gwelo in the former Lower Gwelo,in the Insukamini District. I know the area well as I built a dam there in 1988/89. This fall was the subject of much photoshopping and various other misinformation but I checked with Zim Met website.
Much entertainment on TV. Topping the list are the Merc F1 team taKING EAch other out and the resurgence of my favourite moffie,Valentino Rossi.
At the mo the Open has my full attention. Brexit is of passing interest as normal service will soon resume. Not too sure about having punda as PM though.
Seems that normal service is s,lowly resuming in Zim. My daughters seem unaffected and unphased by recent revolting natives. I look forward to a visit from the younger one in a few weeks.


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"All Rhodesia ... ready to do its duty" -- Bob, Mon, 11 Jul 2016, 23:37:20 (NoHost/120.19.17.11)



The original King's Royal Rifle Corps Rhodesian Platoon, pictured at Sheerness, England in November 1914. Third and fourth from the right in the second row sit the commanding officer, Captain J B Brady, and the Marquess of Winchester, who informally sponsored the unit. The majority of the men pictured here were killed in action, and most of the rest were discharged because of serious wounds.[1]





When the United Kingdom declared war on Germany at the start of World War I in August 1914, settler society in Southern Rhodesia,[n 1] then administered by the British South Africa Company, received the news with great patriotic enthusiasm. The Company administrator, Sir William Milton, wired the UK government, "All Rhodesia ... ready to do its duty".[2] Although it supported Britain, the Company was concerned about the possible financial implications for its chartered territory should it make direct commitments to the war effort, particularly at first, so most of the colony's contribution to the war was made by Southern Rhodesians individually—not only those who volunteered to fight abroad, but also those who remained at home and raised funds to donate food, equipment and other supplies.


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TEST -- Scripsi, Thu, 30 Jun 2016, 3:46:25 (TOROON2717W-LP140-05-1096578274.dsl.bell.ca/65.92.116.226)


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cine's -- johnny b (audio or picture), Mon, 20 Jun 2016, 14:56:20 (CPE-1-123-150-222.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.150.222)

Boaty...I assume that was meant to read 8mm cine's. If it was 8 track audio tape and had a picture also it sure was futuristic. Surround sound and pictures in the 60-70's was not conceived yet.Something for the memoirs tho'.


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Life !! -- johnny b (Surprise), Mon, 20 Jun 2016, 13:13:19 (CPE-1-123-150-222.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.150.222)

Good to know some minds think alike TerryK. Was beginning to dispair and pull the plug on the PC. Hope you are well and travelling to all the warm spots obviously you have put it on hold for a good reason, congratulations sport.Just as bloody cold here in South Aussy I reckon. safe travels mate.


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Gwelo Snow -- johnny b (The real stuff), Mon, 20 Jun 2016, 13:05:14 (CPE-1-123-150-222.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.150.222)

I know this site is looking abandoned but gees it is a crying shame when you look at the scarce comments, it appears everyone has been laid to rest.

I know it's old news but regards the snow they had in Gwelo,some of us may know that the RBC said that the last time it was recorded was in about 1914. If you were at GFS you heard about it. Some think it is the first time it has ever snowed, maybe they do and it is a sign from above and there is nothing they can do about it ! Like what Wrex T. once said "if it is a white Xmas give it back to the pommies" We will remember them !! Over and out.


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THE GREAT SILENCE -- TerryK, Mon, 20 Jun 2016, 13:00:47 (79-228-105-166.south.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.228.79.166)

mmmm .... rather quiet here these days. Thought that the site had been blown away for a while but understand from the message at the top that it was a server issue.

Sitting in a rather cold and wet Cape Town waiting for the arrival of the next grandchild. Pigging out on wall to wall rugby which is not doing much to inspire me and a particularly boring GP.

Come on guys - generate some interest.


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In the mood -- Boaty McBoatface, Tue, 24 May 2016, 22:19:27 (mail152.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.152)

What luck, joy and ensuing ambidextrous wanking as I was able to research, and find a 1965 8-track taping, with secret film, of chippy's dance band playing Dr Vi D'minsea's brilliant Rhodesian anthem Ode to Moi in C-major, (what else, right?).
Filmed at the Scottish Embassy's, Lusaka annual Hogmanay party, chippy has the sweaties' attention including one diminutive, kilt-wearing waiter who dances and twirls alone, seemingly besotted with his serving tray.


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Rhodesia Stamp Sheets Wanted -- SHANE, Sun, 15 May 2016, 3:52:34 (203-59-226-40.perm.iinet.net.au/203.59.226.40)

hello i am after full Rhodesia stamp sheets of 50 or 60 per sheet mint
i have one of the largest collections in the world and want to put all sheets in a museum .
i am paying good money in any currency for these Rhodesia Sheets so get them out and sell them don't let them disappear with you
i am based in Australia
Thanks
Shane


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Street view update -- johnny b (At last !), Sat, 07 May 2016, 15:30:02 (CPE-58-170-192-110.lns1.lon.bigpond.net.au/58.170.192.110)

As there is no street view in Zim someone has been brave enough to take a stack of excellent panoramic photoshots while going through Kadoma(Gatooma) and Chegutu(Hartley) and posted them on Google maps. They were taken in April 2016 and it has been an enjoyable guessing game as to know where they were taken and how the place has changed in 20 years. If you can't handle degradation don't bother !!


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Love Letters from the Front -- Bob, Thu, 05 May 2016, 12:11:12 (NoHost/120.19.188.80)


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Allan Gordon -- TerryK, Fri, 29 Apr 2016, 12:22:55 (105-228-67-108.south.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.228.67.108)

Allan - your posting noted.

Allan Gordon from Thornhill School in Gwelo and part of the Midlands Combined 6th Form in 1962 - I wonder ???

Terry Kirkpatrick enquiring and available for contact in Cape Town or the UK.

Regards


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Paul Sowden -- Allan (Gordon), Sun, 24 Apr 2016, 23:54:51 (NoHost/72.67.36.162)

Does anyone out there know how to get ahold of Paul Sowden, formerly from Bulawayo..former student at Kumalo and Milton Schools. I see his brother John listed but not with a valid email address.

Please let me know

Thanks


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. -- raymond (schep), Tue, 19 Apr 2016, 16:56:28 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

from Rhodesians worldwide facebook..

One day a little boy woke up and sat down at the table expecting breakfast. However, his mother says, "You don't get any breakfast until you do your chores."
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A little pissed off, the boy goes out to do his chores. When he goes to milk the cow, he kicks it. When he goes to get eggs he kicks a chicken, and when he goes to feed the pigs, he kicks a pig.
When the little boy sits down his mother gives him a bowl of dry cereal. "Where is the bacon, eggs and milk?" asks the little boy. His mother replies, "I saw you kick the cow, so you don't get any milk; I saw you kick a chicken so you don't get eggs; and I saw you kick a pig so you don't get any bacon!"
Just as she finishes saying this, the boy's father comes down the stairs and kicks the cat. The little boy looks up at his mother and asks, "Do you want to tell him, or should I?"


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well explained Ray -- johnny b (interesting), Sun, 10 Apr 2016, 6:23:15 (CPE-1-123-19-75.sfl9.fli.bigpond.net.au/1.123.19.75)

Been off line a while with the vintage (grape picking and crushing) but all finished now. Had a good Easter break too.

I guess this is a good explanation Ray.Pity cancer wasn't that easy to remedy, but there again it indirectly prevents it by subdueing ill health in the rest of the body!


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. -- Ray, Tue, 15 Mar 2016, 15:34:33 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

The scientific basis of the vitamin C is it is the normal and natural infection fighter for the body. Vitamin C upregulates hydrogen peroxide production by the white blood cell increasing its killer ability. The white blood cell engulfs the foreign body and bathes it in peroxide. The greater the infection the more peroxide is needed by the cell and the more vitamin C is needed. Vitamin C has been removed from our diet by
1. The pasteurization of milk.
2. The cooking of flesh. Raw flesh contains C.
3. The pasteurization of all fruit juice by the markets.
4. The selling of fruit and vegetables in the market many days after picking. Vitamin C content starts to decline after picking.

Also what aggravates the system is that sugar and carbs in the form of glucose down regulates the production of peroxide by the white blood cell. The net result is that our immune systems are only functioning at 50% or less of capability. This results in severe flu attacks,abscesses, osteoporosis and fragile bones because vitamin C strengthens bones.
Reference: "Eat Right For Life" Dr Raymond Schep and Nicole Kellar.


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comms -- johnny b (active communication !!), Mon, 14 Mar 2016, 7:55:15 (CPE-1-123-142-2.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.142.2)

Jo Pete, a pleasure to know that you are still sneaking the odd peek. Tells us you are not lost in the widerness mate. Make sure the new pad doesn't have sharp edges and corners, just the mind !! Stay well.


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. -- Ray, Thu, 10 Mar 2016, 15:05:15 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

May you be happy there Pete. I assume they have a braai their. That's all you need.


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Hello -- Jo Pete, Thu, 10 Mar 2016, 12:13:34 (103-226-105-199.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.226.103.199)

Yo BT. Just checking in. Haven't been here for a while. Life goes on here. We've accepted the inevitable and are selling our large house and moving to a retirement village. Sadly this venture will produce little profit. Running and maintaining a large house is proving just a bit much for Bickie. From my wheelchair there is little that I can do to assist.


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. -- Ray, Mon, 07 Mar 2016, 18:03:35 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Good! Sugar cause tremendous acceleration in tooth bacterial growth and acidic plaque....


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Long in the tooth -- johnny b (Been there too), Fri, 04 Mar 2016, 14:31:21 (CPE-1-123-142-2.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.142.2)

Quite right Ray. I think my wording was a bit misleading. Scrubbing up is important. Fighting off tooth ache while on an overseas holiday is the pits, the last thing you want to do is spend your hard earned holiday money on a dental bill in another country.

The insurers will pay for luggage etc but a dentist bill is another issue if you are in Italy, Fiji and of course Zims. I dosed up on Vitamin C until I came back from the holiday to deal with it. It worked well more than once. I think being run down due to 17 hr flights doesn't help either. I blame it on the barley sugar sweets they give you before landing ! A stiff Gin would have been better for my teeth!


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. -- Ray, Thu, 03 Mar 2016, 0:44:42 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Glenn the AMA is the enforcement arm of the pharmaceutical companies that sell antibiotics, vaccines and all kinds of similarly based voodoo medicine.


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. -- Ray, Thu, 03 Mar 2016, 0:38:00 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Johnny B, the last thing you want to do is to have a root canal if you get an abcess.
Reason one. Root canal kills the root in the tooth leaving you with a dead tooth that will eventually fall out.
Reason 2. it is Dentist welfare, he gets about $1000 for it.

An abcess is a very serious situation and can be fatal don't get me wrong I am only too acutely aware of the situation.
But dental treatment is designed to enrich the dentist, root canals,($1000) antibiotics and a crown ($1000) which only lasts five years at best than the eventually an implant which costs $2000 to $4000, giving the dentist nice vacations so that he can hunt lions in Africa.

Here is what I do and I have pulled it off in may cases. Get the hardest tooth brush you can get and brush your teeth and gums thoroughly every morning, dont worry if you spit blood good sign it means you have thoroughly flushed and bled out the tooth gum interface to remove all toxins or infection. Toothpaste is junk, it only enriches cosmetic companies. If you get an abcess then it is all out war, like 10,000 to 20,000 mg of vitamin C powder, neutralized with baking soda, every four hours. Put a cotton swab soaked in vitamin C directly on the inside swollen gum area for 5 to 10 minutes.
This is hitting it from both sides internally and externally. Keep it up do not quit when the swelling goes down, keep it up for maybe another week or until all sensation of pain is gone when you press the gum. There may be some residual pain if root or bone is damaged this may take a month or more to go away, but it is only necessary to do the megadose treatment up to a week after swelling subsistence. If the swelling gets worse or serious like severely swollen cheeks then it means you are too low with the dosage and then you will just have to go to the emergency room and go through the established procedures and fork up the money.


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Vitamin C -- johnny b (fact not fiction), Mon, 29 Feb 2016, 15:43:38 (CPE-1-123-142-2.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.142.2)

I'm not Ray, but have observed that a double dose of Vit C does work within 24hours. I have found it prevents the progress of tooth ache, but gum disease can't be prevented if the teeth are not looked after externally also ie Brushing, flossing for the removal of plaque and food residue. To be effective both go hand in hand twice a day or after meals. A good rinse with spirits (neat Brandy/Gin/Vodka) after all that also helps(in moderation) Otherwise a gargle with Listerine will have to do !! I'm sure one or the other is available, your choice !


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GLEN -- qwerty (..), Thu, 25 Feb 2016, 15:39:24 (mail82.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.82)

The AMA will be very interested in his reply re Vitamin C ...


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Ray Schep -- Glen, Wed, 24 Feb 2016, 0:13:47 (NoHost/101.166.237.237)

Hi Ray
A quick question...according to 'Dr Google', large amounts of Vitamin C can cure periodontitis.. Is that correct?

Cheers


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Chippy's -- Ray, Wed, 10 Feb 2016, 14:55:34 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

James just enter "Chippy's Dance Band" in your google search bar.


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CHIPPY'S BAND -- iopwq (research), Tue, 02 Feb 2016, 4:17:08 (mail125.anonymouse.org/193.200.150.125)

Their biggest hit was Fish and Chips Wrapped In The Guardian.


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Chippy's Dance Band -- James, Tue, 26 Jan 2016, 22:40:33 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.225.174.197)

................................................
DAVE K.
It's a bit of a long shot, but in your researches did you ever come across any recordings of the NORTHERN Rhodesian (Lusaka, I think) dance band "Chippy's Dance Band"? I have managed to find 3 of his recorded tunes and wondered if there were more available. I remember Chippy from about 1950.

I first heard Chippy on our houseboy's sauce pan radio; radio was actually built into an actual sauce pan!
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. -- PhilosophRay, Mon, 18 Jan 2016, 15:48:36 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

Some persons at Oxford college have more time on their hands than they know what do to with. When I was at Pretoria University, (now affiliated with European Union) the course work was so rigorous and demanding,and you actually had to learn stuff. No time for agendas. However, this appears to be not so at Oxford College.


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Trevor Phillips criticizes Rhodes Must Fall campaign -- Cecil, Mon, 04 Jan 2016, 2:56:40 (NoHost/120.19.228.239)

Trevor Phillips, the former chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, has criticized the campaign to remove a statue of Cecil Rhodes from as Oxford College calling it “simultaneously witless, wrongheaded and reprehensible”.

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2016 -- Johnny b (Have a chibooli), Fri, 01 Jan 2016, 6:09:35 (83.reserved.callplus.net.nz/203.100.221.83)

Wishing all had safe new year and good health for the rest of the year.


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Criticism of Rhodesia -- Eugene, Thu, 31 Dec 2015, 4:14:05 (C-210-10-130-246.can.connect.net.au/210.10.130.246)

Below is my response to a Huffington post article. Am I in the ball park or completely off reservation???

Hi Nick,
I just read your article on Dylann Storm Roof and the fact he wore a Rhodesian flag.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/06/18/dylann-roof-rhodesian-flag_n_7616752.html?ir=Australia">http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/06/18/dylann-roof-rhodesian-flag_n_7616752.html?ir=Australia</a>

His view of Rhodesia and yours is based solely on a one eyed view of racism.
I was born in Rhodesia. I left there when I was four years old so dont remember anything other than looking for Easter eggs in my grand parents garden and being taught to whistle before I could talk by my families gardener.
I have done a lot of reading and research on Rhodesia though and obviously have had many discussions with Rhodesian's. I currently live in Australia which was a favorite place for Rhodesians who fled the country. I will soon be moving to South America.

Your article was partially accurate. Of course it also carried the same bias just about every article on Rhodesia does. Always the race card but with no depth or thoughtfulness and always a censored account of the facts.

The civil war was white and black against (communist) black. This civil war took place in the height of the cold war. Every organization that fought against the white minority government was either marxist or communist. Same thing.
75% of the Rhodesian army was black.
Every former colony that converted to black majority rule ended up with a Marxist dictatorship (today that includes Zimbabwe and South Africa- just wait for the ANC to lose an election and watch what happens to the democratic South Africa).
Rhodesians made the decision they were not going to put up with that and believed they were on the Wests side during the cold war. As you mentioned they instead became a pariah state.
I believe this had more to do with the White Rhodesian people wanting their own self determination from the Crown and the inner temple of the City of London than the race issue.

You quoted the economist obituary of Ian Smith saying there 'were no hero's and no romance about Mr Smith's Rhodesia'.
That is far from true until the global sanctions finally took effect and the international support for the terror groups killing farmers increased.
Then it was game over for Rhodesia and a green light for Mugabe and what he's done to the country in the last quarter of a century.

There were a lot of medals handed out during the war.
Rhodesia perfected counter terrorism with the Selous Scouts. They actually caught and turned terrorists to join the Rhodesian
Selous Scouts. Sometimes the guns were returned to the former terrorists within an hour, in the battle field and they would fight together.
Rhodesia also carried out some of the most daring raids across its borders against the terror training camps in Zambia and Mozambique. Small numbers of Rhodesians, often Selous Scouts impersonating soldiers of various terror groups (mostly blacks with the whites blackening their faces and hands to blend in) would infiltrate and attack these camps with great effect.
These camps were/are often referred to as refugee camps.
However there are so many photos showing the military training of the residents and also captured marxist propoganda and weapons after these raids. Towards the end of the war there were also Russian military advisers present.

The marxist terrorists weren't interested in fighting the army for the most part. They sought out white civilians in isolated areas and killed them or set booby traps and mines on their properties. This changed towards the end of the war when the COMMUNIST Soviet Union, China, North Korea and their other allies (the US, Britain, Australia, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, etc) increased their support for Zanu and Zipra. The 2 marxist terror/political groups fighting for black majority rule.

Prior to declaring independence Rhodesia had a thriving economy. Health care and education was available. Obviously the standard that whites could afford was better. The country could feed itself and export extra produce. Today it relies on food aid. Standards of health care and education have declined despite a quarter century of human evolution and progress.
The left wing, progressive do-gooders should congratulate themselves on the Zimbabwean achievements they brought about by ending what was once called Rhodesia.

There was only one side who tried to install a power sharing government. You referenced in your article the word 'share' twice. Ian Smith attempted to do exactly that. It was rejected by Britain the former colonial master. They insisted one man one vote. That can only mean a Zanu or Zipra government.
Rhodesia got a Zanu government headed by Robert Mugabe.

Wouldnt it have been nice if you had mentioned Robert Mugabe! But for some reason when people write about 'Rhodesia' they limit or edit the discussion to white supremacy.
When Robert Mugabe took over Rhodesia and renamed it Zimbabwe he followed in Stalins foot steps and purged any black he thought could threaten him. Big bad Bob was from the Shona tribe. Which was the largest tribe so the purge was mainly towards the smaller tribe the Matabele. The Matabele would call that racism but you either dont know or choose not to discuss this fact.

You quoted a number of 30,000 people being killed. Mostly black. Big bad Bob killed at least 30,000 people in his purge. No one really knows how many but 30,000 - 50,000 is considered by most as a minimum.
You didnt mention that because it didnt fit into your Rhodesia race paradigm.

Some black Zimbabweans had a wonderful time during 'Operation take out the trash' where Big bad Bob demolished the homes of people he believed didnt support him.

I wonder if a referendum was held today between having a white minority government and Big bad Bob's government who the majority would choose? I know which one I would choose. Out of interest......... if you lived in Zimbabwe and had to choose. Which one would you choose to raise your family?

Is it possible you are a hypocrite judging from the safety of your arm chair in a well developed and educated country?

I guess a brief mention of South Africa is appropriate. 1 white person murdered every 36 hours because they are white. You can go on you-tube and watch the worlds darling - Communist Nelson Mandela singing and dancing to the song 'Kill a Boer' with other ANC members.
The ANC's South Africa's achievements........... murder capital of the world, highest HIV/Aids infection in the world and the rape capital of the world. They even invented the term 'baby rape'. South Africa used to run commercials on TV for rapists to wear condoms to reduce the spread of Aids.

Here is a link to a TV reporter and crew being mugged on live TV.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWLPBOWY4k4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWLPBOWY4k4</a>

This is the cost of black majority rule in Zimbabwe and South Africa.
Thank God my parents left that hell hole called Africa!

Eugene


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Removing Rhodes statue 'moral vanity', says Tony Abbott -- Tony, Thu, 24 Dec 2015, 7:05:19 (NoHost/120.17.0.104)

"The university and its students should prefer improving today's orthodoxies to imposing them on our forebears," Mr Abbott told the Independent newspaper.
"The university should remember that its mission is not to reflect fashion but to seek truth and that means striving to understand before rushing to judge."
Mr Abbott said that while Rhodes himself had not campaigned against racism, many of the scholars who benefited from his legacy had done so.
"We can lament that he failed to oppose unjust features of his society while still celebrating the genius that led to the creation of the Rhodes Scholarships."

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In a sentence in this report namely:
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Read it as: "we Chinks will build better roads and facilities so that we can carry away all your oil, diamonds and gold.
However do not dare point out that this is what the Western Colonists did. That would be anti-colonialism, and the Chinese do not even want such things mentioned or somebody might put two and two together. Perish the thought. Oh yes and I forgot, the rhino horns and elephant tusks can be
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China aims to counter western influence in Africa -- Bob, Mon, 07 Dec 2015, 3:47:43 (NoHost/120.19.140.239)



WORLD

Africa
China aims to counter western influence in Africa
€55bn Chinese investment in the continent, announced at Pretoria summit, will come with definite policy strings attached

about 3 hours ago
Bill Corcoran
in Cape Town

1


Western hegemony of African economies looks set to be further reduced in the decades ahead following a weekend announcement that China will assist the continent’s future development – to the tune of $60 billion (€55 billion) – through 10 priority programmes.
The unprecedented development partnership was unveiled at the China-Africa summit in Johannesburg by Chinese president Xi Jinping. It was welcomed by his South African counterpart, Jacob Zuma, who said the continent fully supported this higher level of engagement.
“This is a significant amount,” said Zuma at the close of the Forum on China- Africa Cooperation (Focac) summit. “It clearly illustrates China’s commitment to ensure that China’s development takes place in conjunction with the developing countries of the south‚ particularly those in Africa.”


<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/china-aims-to-counter-western-influence-in-africa-1.2456440">http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/china-aims-to-counter-western-influence-in-africa-1.2456440</a>


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. -- Ray, Thu, 03 Dec 2015, 14:59:29 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

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Zim -- Joe two, Thu, 03 Dec 2015, 9:23:12 (42-227-105-191.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.227.42.191)

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. -- Ray, Tue, 01 Dec 2015, 19:10:16 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

From Rhodesians Facebook:

Free Sex When You Fill Up With Gas
A petrol station owner in Dublin was trying to increase his sales, so he put up a sign that read, 'Free Sex with Every Fill-Up.'
Paddy pulled in, filled his tank and asked for his free sex.
The owner told him to pick a number from 1 to 10 and said that if he guessed correctly, he would get his free sex.
Paddy guessed 8, and the proprietor said, 'You were very close, the lucky number was 7.
Sorry. No sex this time.'
A week later, Paddy, with his friend Mick, pulled in for another fill-up.
Again Paddy asked for his free sex.
The proprietor again gave him the same story, and asked him to guess the correct number.
Paddy guessed 2.
The proprietor said, 'Sorry, it was 3, you were very close but no free sex this time.'
As they were driving away, Mick said to Paddy,
'I think that game is rigged and he doesn't really give away free sex at all.'
Paddy replied, 'No it's genuine enough Mick. My wife won twice last week.'


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. -- Ray, Mon, 30 Nov 2015, 18:25:42 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

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Number of teenagers dying from AIDS has tripled since 2000 -- Bob, Sat, 28 Nov 2015, 11:29:38 (NoHost/120.19.68.144)

Currently there are around two million teenagers aged 15 to 19 living with the HIV virus.

Half of these live in only six countries: South Africa, Nigeria, Kenya, India, Mozambique and Tanzania.

Out of these, the infection rate is much higher among young females, accounting for around seven out of every 10 new infections.


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Migrant Video Going Viral Across Europ -- Bob, Sat, 28 Nov 2015, 4:28:36 (NoHost/120.17.197.35)

After gaining a million and a half views in less than five days, the Open Gates video was taken down by YouTube following a copyright infringement. Although the rights company involved in the claim has been named in allegedly spurious claims in the past, there is no reason to suggest that is the case with this video. This article now links to a video mirror on Dutch website Dumpert.

The original article follows.
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. -- ray, Tue, 24 Nov 2015, 15:23:28 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

I think he got it, I note the undelivered message came from davicorp@hotmail.com, not the e-mail address I used.


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. -- Raymond, Tue, 24 Nov 2015, 15:14:25 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

Thanks Barbara.
Your bridge playin' eyes are keepin sharp...


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Boing -- Barbara, Mon, 23 Nov 2015, 19:30:13 (CPE-58-174-145-105.mjcz1.woo.bigpond.net.au/58.174.145.105)

Ray, try sendng it to the address he suggested -

david.kenrick@sjc.ox.ac.uk


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Rugby In Zimbabwe -- Raymond (Schep), Mon, 23 Nov 2015, 18:58:22 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

On February 9 the Pretoria Blue Bulls and the Bloem Cheetahs rugby teams will be playing each other in Zimbabwe.
On January 29 the Bulls will go to training camp at Vic Falls.
Part of the fitness training will be to swim up the falls, jump down and repeat 15 times. Anybody who fails to do this will be replaced by Bakkies Botha and Victor Matfield. The ou manne will shwo them how to do this.


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Boing -- Ray, Mon, 23 Nov 2015, 15:49:31 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

By the way your e-mail to
kenrick@sjc.ox.ac.uk
bounces.


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. -- Ray, Mon, 23 Nov 2015, 15:14:11 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

oh by the way at UDI,word came out that there was a competition to submit a new anthem. I wrote one and submitted it but never heard from them, apparently they did not like mine,- or anybodies so they choose a Beethoven piece instead, the Ode to Joy from his 9 th. Cannot compete against Ludwig Van, ey.


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. -- Ray, Mon, 23 Nov 2015, 15:06:58 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

Both these "laaities" have wikipedia biographies and numerous You tube postings.I notice John Edmond was at Pretoria CBC about the time I was there too, but 10 years older. Did not like that school with teachers dressed in black robes hiding a cane amongst the robes ready to use it if you just looked left or right. Fortunately he never dared to bring a guitar to the playground then we would never have heard about a John Edmond.


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Rhodesian music 60s/70s -- D Kenrick, Sun, 22 Nov 2015, 20:43:25 (NoHost/31.185.157.157)

Dear All,

I am currently doing some research into music in Rhodesia in the '60s and '70s and wondered if you could help me. I am looking in particular at the songs of Clem Tholet and John Edmond.

I had a few questions relating to these songs:

1. Were they part of a 'Rhodesian music scene' of country/folk artists?

2. How popular would you say these musicians were?

3. Can anyone remember when these songs or albums were released? (As it would be great to see some reviews in The Rhodesia Herald etc.)

Finally, on a slightly related note:

4. How did you feel about the Rhodesian national anthem at the time? Did it feel like a good/suitable anthem?

If you have any thoughts on these topics please email me at david.kenrick@sjc.ox.ac.uk.

Thanks in advance for your help,

David Kenrick


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Rhodesia Calendar -- Barbara (Goss), Thu, 19 Nov 2015, 19:38:43 (CPE-58-174-145-105.mjcz1.woo.bigpond.net.au/58.174.145.105)

Ant you are not the only one - there is another Rhodesian Calendar 2016 on ebay posted by one Ivan Pavlovitch.


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Selous Scouts -- Jonathan Pittaway, Sat, 14 Nov 2015, 5:43:57 (41-133-171-110.dsl.mweb.co.za/41.133.171.110)

Selous Scouts Rhodesia book, 2nd edition is out. 624 pages, 1000 photos. coffee table book. R550. if interested please contact me as its being distributed privately. thank you.


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12 days of Xmas -- johnny b (That time again), Fri, 13 Nov 2015, 23:38:38 (CPE-1-123-154-170.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.154.170)

Yes, time to practice good will. I have four French hens, they love to eat the snails in my garden ! One rooster a crowing wanting six peeled potatoes and an onion.


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. -- Ray, Wed, 11 Nov 2015, 15:04:52 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

On the numbah one day of Christmas,
My Tutu gave to me..
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Ye Olde Hawaiian song...


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Birds -- johnny b (Bounty in NZ), Tue, 10 Nov 2015, 13:30:29 (CPE-1-123-154-170.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.154.170)

Yes I recall a cash reward for a live bird in hand being offered in NZ in the 2000's but I think at the time it was for the Indian Myner bird(sp?). It takes over local bird territory.

The common English House Sparrow was a pest for a while in NZ but they suddenly died in vast numbers in the 90's and apparantly it was spread by virus through their communal sleeping habits. Here in the SA riverlands we have cycle of excess rabbits then the fox population thrives then annihilates all the bunnies and then we have excess foxes which turn on our chooks !


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50 years ago -- johnny b (feels like yesterday !), Tue, 10 Nov 2015, 13:14:24 (CPE-1-123-154-170.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.154.170)

Good on you Tim for coming to the party,there are so many affected but time will take our lives and memories but the history will still be there in 2065.

The biggest thing is the rain still smells like it did when we were kids and the trees (what is left of them) still come into leaf and flower regardless.Thank goodness they are apolitical ! However the Victoria Falls looks like a dry river bed at the moment, maybe a political reflection !!


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RHODESIA INDEPENDENCE AT 50! -- Tim Murphy-St. Louis, Missouri, USA, Mon, 09 Nov 2015, 22:32:39 (NoHost/150.199.171.218)

To all Rhodesians everywhere I want to wish you a Happy 50th Independence Day! In case you were wondering if people would ever forget about Rhodesia-I don't think so. I was born 13 days before UDI and had never heard of Rhodesia until 1989 when I read a Letter To The Editor in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch how the West had betrayed "Rhodesia". I became fascinated with this brave country to this day and I'm sure this is happening to people right up to 2015. So here's to November 11, 2065.


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. -- Ray, Mon, 09 Nov 2015, 15:59:16 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

johnny b, yes it a different bulbul from the red-whiskered bulbul which I have seen in Los Angeles. The interesting thing about the red vented, it was introduced into Auckland NZ and they tried to eradicate it without success on the allegation that it pecks and destroys fruit. The Government is offering $1000 to anyone that can lead to the capture of the bird. The Government is being heavily attacked on this policy, critics claiming that bounty hunters will captively breed the bird and release it and that the policy will have the opposite effect. Bulbuls are the most common garden bird in South Africa and one wonders how anyone grows fruit in South Africa, if the NZ claims are true. It also occurs in Hawaii, part of my prowling grounds, but I do not remember seeing it there.


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Bulbul -- johnny b (Eurika), Fri, 06 Nov 2015, 9:26:48 (CPE-1-123-154-170.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.154.170)

Sorry mate the bird with the red butt is a Red vented Bulbul, a most direct translation ! It does have the same call as the Rhodesian species. In this day and age and it was a human we would be called racists ! Good thing they don't get a complex !


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. -- Ray, Mon, 02 Nov 2015, 21:30:46 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

James well then how about this one..(Rapini is a green vegetable, also called broccoli rabe).

Google Translate changed Feira do grelo (Rapini Festival) on the town of Galicia website into Feria Clítoris (Clitoris Festival) leading to some embarrassment when staff at the town hall discovered their error on Thursday.

"Google translate recognized our Galician word grelo as Portuguese and translated into the Spanish clítoris," town hall spokeswoman Monte García, explained to The Local.

"Since 1981, the festival has made the clitoris one of the star products of the local gastronomy," read the blurb on the town’s official website, extolling the region’s gastronomic goods.

"We discovered that Google translates any mention of grelos, on any website, to clitoris," García said.

(James, I am heading to Galicia right now to taste some grelos. Yum.)


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Jimbo... Bulbul... -- James, Thu, 29 Oct 2015, 22:49:51 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.225.174.197)

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I'm sure we who know him miss Jimbo terribly. The 'singing' husky would have appealed to him.

I smile every time I see a bird called Bulbul something or other. I can't spell Tagalog, but in that language 'bulbul' is their word for pubic hair! First phrase I was taught in Tagalog was, 'Ang tigre ai mai bulbul' meaning, 'My tiger has pubic hair'. Not perhaps the greatest way to start a conversation with a stranger from the Philippines.
J
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Jimbo Is Reicarnated.. -- Ray, Tue, 27 Oct 2015, 20:16:48 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

Jimbo, God Bless his Soul, use to post lots of videos ridiculing bad behaviour of Muslims. We are proud to have discovered that Jimbo has reincarnated. Here for the first time is the first re-appearance of our dear friend Jimbo. Here is the proof.It is absolutely clear, his hair color is an identical match. See:
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vogp-n1-JPA">https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vogp-n1-JPA</a>


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. -- Ray, Mon, 26 Oct 2015, 15:45:30 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

Its a Red-Whiskered Bulbul,it has been introduced to Hawaii and here in Southern California. Its Afrikaans name (which I have just created)is Rooigattoppie.


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Birds -- johnny b (descriptions), Mon, 26 Oct 2015, 11:23:55 (CPE-1-123-128-90.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.128.90)

Ray...Yes it is a well explained description ! The common black eyed bulbul (tiptol/toppie) was a Geelgat in our lingo. I saw a type of bulbul in Fuji which is blood red in place of the yellow, same bird calls too. Wouldn't mind checking it out again, but a holiday must be included !

Ant...I checked that site out, but I haven't a lust for that stuff, work at a winery and distillery and have ample choice from the staff sales there ! You didn't go to GFS or SJK did you ? Used to brew cider from Appletizer in the locker rooms.


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Mahewu recipe -- ant brooks, Sat, 24 Oct 2015, 18:58:08 (adsl-108-129-173-185.aby.bellsouth.net/108.129.173.185)

check out fisoskitchen for mahewu/maheu recipe and others.


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.Birds -- Ray, Thu, 22 Oct 2015, 22:21:52 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

johnny b I am glad to see that the African Pied Starling retains its name in Afrikaans as Witgatspreeu. I also see there is a street by the name of Witgatspreeu Street in Centurion, with some very nice estates on it.


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LIBERTY BELL -- Ray, Thu, 22 Oct 2015, 22:13:29 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

I think someone hit it with a sledge hammer and it cracked.


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Happy Birthday -- Old friend, Thu, 22 Oct 2015, 21:30:55 (ip72-207-103-106.sd.sd.cox.net/72.207.103.106)

Happy Birthday, Jimmy Porter, wherever you may be.


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Bird Names and Des and Dawn -- johnny b (Sounds what it ought to be !), Tue, 20 Oct 2015, 13:43:36 (CPE-1-123-128-90.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.128.90)

Thanks Ray.

Ever heard of Des and Dawn Lindberg doing a rendition of Burl Ive's Big Rock Candy Mountain but translated into Afrikaans ? It has a distasteful sounding verse about a vulture and a monitor lizards bit of carrion. Should be able to find it on youtube.


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. -- Ray, Mon, 19 Oct 2015, 15:21:57 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

johnny b
The following in the Oxford dictionary says it all:

Origin

Late 19th century: from modern Latin Gymnogenys (former genus name), literally 'bare-chinned'.


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Birds -- johnny b (WHO DO WE BELIEVE), Mon, 19 Oct 2015, 11:48:06 (CPE-1-123-128-90.sml9.way.bigpond.net.au/1.123.128.90)

Ray.....I still have a Roberts Birds of South Africa book printed in 1958 (foreward by JC Smuts in 1938) and a Gymnogene is a Banded Harrier Hawk. Where the Gymnogene name was derived from is a mystery because it isn't an Afrikaans word by any means. I have always called it a Gymnogene but maybe some people don't like awkward latin sounding words.

Banded Harrier Hawk is pretty descriptive,but a velcro crested hoofoo gobbler is also descriptive but not a bird!

Have a Pink Gin and Tonic!!


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. -- Ray, Thu, 15 Oct 2015, 18:53:36 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

The following questions were in last year's GED (grade 12 equivalent) examination (These are genuine answers).

Q. What is a turbine?
A. Something an Arab or Sheik wears on his head. Once an Arab boy reaches puberty, he removes his diaper and wraps it around his head.

Q. How is dew formed?
A. The sun shines down on the leaves and makes them perspire.

Q. What guarantees may a mortgage company insist on?
A. If you are buying a house, they will insist that you are well endowed.

Q. In a democratic society, how important are elections?
A. Very important. Sex can only happen when a male gets an election.

Q. What are steroids?
A. Things for keeping carpets still on the stairs.
(Shoot yourself now, there is little hope.)

Q. What happens to your body as you age?
A. When you get old, so do your bowels and you get intercontinental.

Q. What happens to a boy when he reaches puberty?
A. He says goodbye to his boyhood and looks forward to his adultery.
(So true)

Q. Name a major disease associated with cigarettes.
A. Premature death.

Q. What is artificial insemination?
A. When the farmer does it to the bull instead of the cow.

Q. How can you delay milk turning sour?
A. Keep it in the cow.
(Simple, but brilliant)

Q. How are the main 20 parts of the body categorized (e.g. The abdomen)?
A. The body is consisted into 3 parts - the brainium, the borax and the abdominal cavity. The brainium contains the brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs and the abdominal cavity contains the five bowels: A,E,I,O,U

Q. What is the fibula?
A. A small lie.

Q. What does 'varicose' mean?
A. Nearby.

Q. What is the most common form of birth control?
A. Most people prevent contraception by wearing a condominium.
(That would work.)

Q. Give the meaning of the term 'Caesarean section.'
A. The caesarean section is a district in Rome.

Q. What is a seizure?
A. A Roman Emperor.
(Julius Seizure, I came, I saw, I had a fit.)

Q. What is a terminal illness?
A. When you are sick at the airport.
(Irrefutable)

Q. What does the word 'benign' mean?
A. Benign is what you will be after you be eight.
(brilliant)

Q. Name the four seasons
A. Salt, pepper, mustard and vinegar.
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The Rhodesian "Liberty Bell" -- Josiah Brownell, Tue, 13 Oct 2015, 15:59:51 (cpe-74-64-36-32.nyc.res.rr.com/74.64.36.32)

Hello, Does anyone know the whereabouts, or the fate, of the "Liberty Bell" used to ring in every new year of independence after UDI? I believe it was a gift from American friends of Rhodesia and that it was struck at midnight every November 11th at the Lion's Club charity ball, but I have not heard anything about what happened to it after the end of the rebellion. Any help that anyone could offer me would be greatly appreciated.
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. -- Ray, Thu, 08 Oct 2015, 16:34:05 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

TerryK, Don't get onto the subjects of birds with Ray, oh yeaah.. even more spectacular I have seen is a Fork-tailed drongo attacking a Gymnogene, it is a small but fearless song bird. However I have news for you. I have known the bird as a Gymnogene for 50 years of my life. However about 10-15 years ago, a drunken Irishman, by name of Ian Sinclair, who is the top seller of bird books in Africa, and has a big whiskey budget, came up with a devilish scheme. And that scheme was change the names of all the birds, making everyone's field guides redundant and compelling everybody to buy new field guides. The net result of it is that the Gymnogene no longer exists and in its place is African Harrier Hawk. What an insult to the gorgeous bird. His name was changed from Jim to Harry, without him knowing. At least the Afrikaans names still remain colorful, namely Kaalwangvalk and Kaalkopkuikendief. (Bareheaded chicken thief). And my favorite bird the Knysna Loerie, is now a freakin' Turaco.
Johnny b, my estimate that any maize brew has 4-6% alcohol at best, maybe even 3%. Nothing earth shaking. Beer sold by the big brewing companies is about 7% alcohol. Beer is a 10,000 year old super food, the yeast makes all kinds of healthy hormones, and the level of alcohol relaxes and lowers the blood pressure, and is lovely to drink in the bar while watching the Bokkies take the USA to the cleaners in the world cup. I would love to see Japan make the quarter finals and it is possible but then Samoa would have to beat Scotland and Japan would have to beat the USA with simple four point victories. Not likely but nothing is impossible. Already Samoa is practicing their Haka, and threatening Scotland with "Remember England!"

Back to beer, it is impossible to have any fermented grain or grape to have a higher alcohol content than about 13% because at this level the yeast cannot grow anymore. So all fermented beverages are healthy and post no threat to the liver. its when you distill the brews to get 40 even up to 75% alcohol and all the healthy stuff is left behind in the residue that alcohol becomes hazardous to your health.


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Africa needs leaders to stem European migrant tide -- Bob, Thu, 08 Oct 2015, 7:01:24 (NoHost/120.19.156.240)

Because this is not just about the war in Syria. The migration that will fundamentally change Europe in the coming decades is the one that has already started to roll from sub-Saharan Africa. Germany’s anticipated 1.5 million asylum-seekers will be dwarfed by the legions on the move in Africa. Sub-Saharan Africa is set to more than double its population between now and 2050, from 1.1 billion to 2.4 billion. The fertility rate averages 5.2 children, compared with an average 1.6 in Europe. Thanks to improvements in public health, infant mortality is dropping. So too are the rates of HIV/Aids infection. Part of this is down to foreign aid and there is reason to be proud of that.

But aid programs, while paying lip service to the need for good governance, are actually constructed to find ways around crooked bureaucrats. That has to change. The good governance index set up by the Mo Ibrahim Foundation reported strong negative trends this week in a large proportion of the 54 tested African states. The situation is so bad that Zimbabwe, though crippled by a ruthless political class and ruled by the 91-year-old tyrant Robert Mugabe, does not even figure in the 10 worst states. Yes, it is possible (ask the people of South Sudan and Somalia) to be even more miserable than the Zimbabweans.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://theaustralian.com.au/news/world/africa-needs-leaders-to-stem-european-migrant-tide/story-fnb64oi6-1227561024609">http://theaustralian.com.au/news/world/africa-needs-leaders-to-stem-european-migrant-tide/story-fnb64oi6-1227561024609</a>


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Seven day brew -- johnny b (African Beer), Wed, 07 Oct 2015, 0:36:18 (CPE-58-167-192-15.lns3.fli.bigpond.net.au/58.167.192.15)

That's right James, Mahewu in the latter years could be bought as a ready to mix powder which was for drinking on the job at tea break (smoko here!) it was made first thing in the morning and left to "stew" like tea for a few hours. Adding yeast and leaving it for some time I'm sure it would be a powerful drink, but there wasn't a presence of alcohol initially. We could get it from Wightmans or Farmers Co-op. I will look up that recipe Ray.

Our tobacco reapers were from the north:- Malawi and Zambia (Nyasaland and Northern Rhodesia) may very well have brought it down as a recipe with them. I don't think my folks would have allowed me to touch the stuff nor allow pissed workers to hang the mateppees in the barns if it was intoxicating ! Supposed to have health giving protien in it!! That is originally why I thought it may have been an Egyptian recipe.

The 7 day alcoholic beer was made from the local millet and Rupoko grass seed which was a grass we had growing wild in the middle veld, the expended grain husks was the masesse. We used to take half a hessian bag up to the Zambezi river for 10 days of fantastic fishing.

TerryK, I recall once at Kariba where someone just overdid the masesse and the fish were floating on the surface with bloated bellies of from the fermenting stuff

A second ferment stage was done through a crude copper pipe condenser to make Kachasu which was pretty powerful stuff and gave a clear unrefined concoction of ethyl and methyl alcohol. That is another story !!!


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RUGBY FASHION -- TerryK, Tue, 06 Oct 2015, 7:53:59 (105-228-2-148.south.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.228.2.148)

Ray - latest fashion demands that you include something Japanese in your own national rugby gear. I understand that the World Cup clothing outlets in the UK sold out of their Japanese kit within hours of them winning in Brighton !!!
Back in Cape Town now - coverage here on DSTV is really good. Massive punch up in the oak trees yesterday between a pair of Pied Crows (nesting ???) and a lone Gymnogene. It eventually escaped by flying away low under the trees.


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. -- Raymond (Schep), Mon, 05 Oct 2015, 17:47:44 (NoHost/69.199.125.230)

Johnny B, TerryK, the tilapia taste the yeast in the water, and they think there is grain, (maize or millet) in the water that is fermenting and they go crazy searching for it and find your bait.
In the USA all foods and beverages require ingredient labeling, so all tonic water sold here in the USA here is has quinine in its ingredient list.
So who should I cheer for Wednesday morning? USA or South Africa? Or both? Or maybe wear a springbok Jersey and have red white and blue face-paint?

Here is the recipe for Maheu, it is basically thin enough to drink maize porridge that has been fermented.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.fisoskitchen.com/maheu-recipe/">http://www.fisoskitchen.com/maheu-recipe/</a>


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LOCAL BEER -- TerryK, Mon, 05 Oct 2015, 8:07:29 (105-228-2-148.south.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.228.2.148)

James - not the same but we used "masesse" (sp) - the left over millet etc from local brew ups as a ground bait for fishing. It could be tossed out by hand or even better, in a sack, to settle on the bottom near where you were fishing. We usually got good results - perhaps absorption of the residual alcohol made the fish less cautious and easier to hook !!!


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Mahewu? -- James, Sun, 04 Oct 2015, 22:49:02 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.225.174.197)

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JOHNNY B.
Is "mahewu" what we called 'kaffir beer' in the Copperbelt
area? When fishing or hunting we'd buy a couple of buckets of the stuff from the locals - it always seemed to be available. It did indeed taste like sour porridge, but I thought it had a very mild alcohol content. I recall that we believed it was excellent if one suffered from peptic ulcer.
JAMES.
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Orangemen on the Equator -- Bob, Sun, 04 Oct 2015, 12:49:56 (NoHost/120.19.27.31)

BBC RADIO ULSTER - Stories in Sound -Orangemen on the Equator


Founded 220 years ago, the Orange Order is a Protestant organisation which, its members say, stands for civil liberties, fraternity and faith. However in the divided society of Northern Ireland it is rarely out of the news. Many Irish Nationalists and Republicans view it as an anti-Catholic, triumphalist organisation and disputes over some contentious Orange parades have generated headlines around the world.

What is less well known is that in a tropical land three thousand miles away, there are Orange lodges made up of African men and women. Members of the Orange Order in Ghana share the same emblems and follow the same rituals as their brethren in Northern Ireland. While there may not be sectarian conflict in their homeland, the Orangemen on the Equator feel they too are misrepresented and misunderstood.

AUDIO
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06fnw7h">http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06fnw7h</a>


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Zimbabwe to ban electric water heaters to save power -- Bob, Sun, 04 Oct 2015, 8:18:45 (NoHost/120.19.150.168)

Zimbabwe is to ban the use of electric water heaters and require all newly built properties to use solar power, as it tries to tackle big power shortages.
Energy officials say existing electric heaters - or geysers - will be phased out over the next five years.
They hope to save up to 400 megawatts of electricity - equivalent to the output of an electrical power plant.
Blackouts have dogged Zimbabwe, despite the fact that 60% of the population have no access to electricity.
This has also hampered investment in what is an already fragile economy, the BBC's Karen Allen reports.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34416210">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34416210</a>


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Quinine -- johnny b (No malaria in the area), Fri, 02 Oct 2015, 14:36:24 (CPE-58-167-192-15.lns3.fli.bigpond.net.au/58.167.192.15)

Schweppes Indian Tonic water does stipulate it has quinine, and while we were in a malaria area (which is low veld areas) I drank the stuff as a good thirst quencher, never took a tablet the whole time. Call-ups we did as it was a chargeable offence not to.

By the way on the topic, Mahewu was the nutritional drink for the tobacco reapers, no alcohol in it. Possibly came from up north hundreds of years ago, tastes a bit like sour porridge.


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. -- Ray, Thu, 01 Oct 2015, 20:40:59 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Terryk we have a delightful little or maybe not so little bar here called the El Dorado Bar and Grill, near the intersection of the 405 and 605 fwy. All world cup games are being shown even if they are at 6:30 AM. Boerewors and eggs are available for breakfast and you can get a couple of biltong bowls to tide you over till lunch time when you can have lamb, chicken or prawn curry, fish and chips, menu is on the net. Beer can be bought by the pitcher I have been known to down 3 of them in a session. But I know beer is super healthy, but here in the USA they consider it to be evil alcoholic liquor. The Egyptians used to take a ceramic pot of it to work everyday it can get hot next to those pyramids. And in the Egyptian museum I saw some beer mugs the Egyptians used. They have round bottoms. Yes! they have round bottoms you cannot put them down. It just goes to show how advanced Egyptian civilization was, head and shoulders above ours, we have much to learn.


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. -- Ray, Thu, 01 Oct 2015, 18:55:21 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Oh yes and because of the relatively low concentration of quinine in tonic water the dose would be 1.2 liters a day. Or 3 400 ml drinks. That should be no problem?


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. -- Your BT Bionutritional Genius., Thu, 01 Oct 2015, 18:34:17 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Johnny B tonic water does contain quinine. Yes it can be used as a source. The only problem is that sugar in the tonic water works against the effects of the quinine somewhat, sugar is inflammatory whereas quinine is anti-inflammatory. The best would be to use diet tonic water but it usually costs about double that of regular tonic water, there is no reason why it should. There is no better cure for malaria than the natural active quinine despite it being disparaged by pharmaceutical manufacturers of the much inferior synthetics.


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Joke. -- James, Wed, 30 Sep 2015, 16:39:01 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.225.174.197)

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A woman asked the pharmacist, "Do you sell Viagra?"
"Yes we do," he answered.
She asked, "Does it work?" "Yes it does," he answered.
She said, "Can you get it over the counter?"
"I can, if I take two," he replied.
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Gin -- johnny b (FYI), Wed, 30 Sep 2015, 11:34:12 (CPE-58-167-192-15.lns3.fli.bigpond.net.au/58.167.192.15)

For those who were wondering about the ingredience check out this site <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.blindtigergin.com.au/">http://www.blindtigergin.com.au/</a>


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All in the bottle -- johnny b (variety the spice of life), Mon, 28 Sep 2015, 11:38:04 (CPE-58-167-192-15.lns3.fli.bigpond.net.au/58.167.192.15)

Yes Juniper berries is the base flavour for gin and grapes are not used but the facility for adding the ingredience, expertise and processing it and bottling it is what we have. We make a brandy too and ranges from 5 year old, 20 and 40 year old St. Angnes and it is superior to KWV if that is a standard to go by. With the world market on wine fluctuating we have invested in having more that "one egg in the basket".

We have mosquitoes here and Ross River fever is bad news and I'm trying to persuade the locals that a Pink Gin and tonic keeps the bugs at bay the same way as Quinene did. The only time I ever had Malaria was when we weren't near a pub !! Got to get the tonic for the weekend we're in for our first hot spring weekend for 2015, 37 degrees in the riverland on Sunday. Stay cool !


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. -- Ray, Tue, 22 Sep 2015, 18:34:46 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Yes you are correct James, Jenewer is Juniper and Jenewer is Dutch for Gin.

This supplied by Ken Peachey from Rhodesians Facebook..

Black Bra & Heels
I had lunch with 2 of my unmarried friends. One is engaged, one is a mistress, and I have been married for 20+ years.
We were chatting about our relationships and decided to amaze our men by greeting them at the door wearing a black bra, stiletto heels and a mask over our eyes. We agreed to meet in a few days to exchange notes.
Here's how it all went.........
My engaged friend:
The other night when my boyfriend came over he found me with a black leather bodice, tall stilettos and a mask. He saw me and said, 'You are the woman of my dreams...I love you.' Then we made passionate love all night long.
The mistress:
Me too! The other night I met my lover at his office and I was wearing a raincoat, under it only the black bra, heels and mask over my eyes. When I opened the raincoat he didn't say a word, but he started to tremble and we had wild sex all night.
Then I had to share my story:
When my husband came home I was wearing the black bra, black stockings, stilettos and a mask over my eyes. When he came in the door and saw me he said...
“What’s for dinner, Zorro?"


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Howzit! -- Picanin, Sat, 19 Sep 2015, 23:52:59 (NoHost/193.38.100.250)

Yislaaaaaiiiik you guys are still online! I recognise some of the names - James, Jenz, Ray, Maggi. Great to see that there is still some life on here! Hope you are all doing well and keeping the flag flying!


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Gin -- Chuck, Sat, 19 Sep 2015, 23:23:19 (NoHost/120.23.210.50)


I like my gin to be like my women, fast and loose!


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SLOE GIN -- TerryK, Thu, 17 Sep 2015, 9:24:43 (host86-174-168-150.range86-174.btcentralplus.com/86.174.168.150)

Morning Guys -

I make sloe gin here in Kent. It involves collecting sloe berries (very bitter) from the local hedgerows (season almost over). 3/4 fill a large bottling jar and add a bottle of good quality gin (or vodka) - must cover the berries. I leave them for a year, rotating occasionally and then decant / filter the liquid which is a deep purple at this stage. Traditional recipes specify a considerable amount of sugar but I am type 2 diabetic so make up a strong sugar solution and add the minimum amount teaspoon by teaspoon until it just turns from being bitter.

I do this last stage after taking the bottle out to Cape Town where it is a traditional treat at our Xmas dinner. I used vodka last year which was very popular but have reverted to gin this year.

Safe my Mates


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Gin - a favourite with the Boer War heroes? -- James, Thu, 17 Sep 2015, 3:19:30 (CPE788df7ed2a63-CM788df7ed2a60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.225.174.197)

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I was wondering about that too Ray. But then could it be that gin can be made from all manner of berries? I mean, there is sloe gin which I assume is made from sloe berries.

I recall seeing photos of abandoned Boer trenches ca 1899 and it struck me that, to judge from the empty bottles, the popular drink with these chaps was gin.

Isn't the word 'gin' derived from the Dutch word for 'juniper'?
James.
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. -- Ray, Wed, 16 Sep 2015, 17:58:48 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Hi Johnny B do you make the gin from grapes? And where do you get the juniper berries?


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greetings Jo Pete et al -- johnny b (life goes on), Mon, 14 Sep 2015, 15:30:32 (CPE-58-170-254-112.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au/58.170.254.112)

Good to see the the old sparks are still hanging in there. Still making wine in the Riverland here.Going to be bottling Blind Tiger Gin this year. Keep well and toast to passing mates.


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. -- Ray, Mon, 24 Aug 2015, 20:12:10 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Obviously these farmers are not paying the Ape enough money.


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More Zim farms up for grabs -- Bob, Fri, 21 Aug 2015, 6:46:54 (NoHost/120.18.185.35)

The Zimbabwe government took a major step towards eliminating the once-thriving white ­commercial farming sector this week by gazetting 23 of the remaining 300 farms owned by white Zimbabweans for ­expropriation.

The planned seizures in the Matabeleland North and South provinces were announced despite an admission by Robert Mugabe’s ruling Zanu-PF party that it had failed to compensate more than 96% of white farmers already dispossessed since 2000, regardless of a constitutional obligation to do so.

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RUGBY WORLD CUP -- TerryK (Kirkpatrick), Thu, 20 Aug 2015, 8:45:53 (host81-151-13-113.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.13.113)

Some mates coming over to the UK so checked on the availability of tickets.
For the group games only "good" seats (not behind the poles) were available at around £150. Some options were available for 1/4 finals on-wards starting at £250.
I shall be watching on ITV and DSTV !!!
I think the bokke will get motored anyway - Meyer's selections make no sense to anyone south of the Vaal and his coaching is way behind the rest of the big sides. His behavior on TV during games is infantile.
Gwelo Sports Club offered more.
Safe my Mates
TerryK


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Jo Pete - -- TerryK (Kirkpatrick), Thu, 13 Aug 2015, 12:42:48 (host81-151-13-113.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.13.113)

.... and now I have just seen your original message.

Just can't get the right staff here !!!


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Jo Pete -- TerryK, Thu, 13 Aug 2015, 12:40:31 (host81-151-13-113.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.13.113)

Jo Pete - ya well no fine but you didn't confirm that your SA cell phone # ends ....176 !!!

Safe and standing by -
TerryK


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Zim Sailing. -- Jo Pete, Thu, 13 Aug 2015, 10:52:37 (95-226-105-118.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.226.95.118)

Yo again EBT. Both daughters sail Lasers but have keelboats on Kariba. Nationals are just a shadow of their former status. This year Lasers were the only class. 14 boats. I missed the mid 70's heyday of Rhodesian sailing when Sunday club sailing on Lake Mac would attract over 100 boats. I sailed 5o5 but in the early 80's we would get 20+ boats in the nationals in our class and maybe 150 boats total. I was also chairman of the annual sailing school 6 times. My best was over 300 entries in the early 80's.
Younger daughter,Megan, came 4th in the ISAF Junior (U19) worlds in Simonstown whilst still a 16 yr old schoolgirl,representing Zim. Zim sent down a team of 4 and I was mgr/coach. When Meg was at Rhodes she was the best female Laser sailor in SA.Her sister Bron, now a 35year old matron & mother,is also a pretty useful sailor.
We were a fanatic sailing family and attended many regattas in Southern Africa and a few ISAF world championships.


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TerryK -- Jo Pete, Thu, 13 Aug 2015, 10:39:18 (95-226-105-118.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.226.95.118)

Yo EBT. Yes Terry that number will work. Unchanged for nearly 10 years. Boetie was up here for a short visit after his trip to the States but did not mention your contact.
Interesting bit of news this morning.
Different factions of illegal miners in Odendaalsrus in the Freestate are involved in factional fighting. Both factions hire their weapons from the local police.


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OCA PHOTOS -- TerryK, Thu, 13 Aug 2015, 9:31:20 (host81-151-13-113.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.13.113)

Jo Pete - good to see you posting again. You did not say what class your daughters were sailing in. Surprised that Nationals still take place in modern Zim. I recently sold my Laser and have been thinking about R/C yachting - age shows !!!

Keen to see the OCA photos but reluctant to advertise my email address here. I have an old cell number for you ending in ....176. Is that till in use so I can SMS my email address.

I did the Edenvale OCA reunion last year as part of a short trip from CPT. Spoke to your brother beforehand but he was off to the States so we did not meet up.

Summer is starting to slip away here in Pomerania so anticipate a return to CPT at the end of September. It will be interesting to see how the England / SA test series goes following the whipping of the Aussies in the Ashes.

Regards to all,
TerryK


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MH 370 -- Jo Pete, Wed, 12 Aug 2015, 13:00:34 (95-226-105-118.north.dsl.telkomsa.net/105.226.95.118)

Yo BT. I assume that this is Ray talking? Lubitz cannot be explained other than that he was a complete fruit cake.
The reason that MH370 was headed into the South Indian Ocean wasa) it is very isolated b) The ocean there is very deep.
It was headed towards St Paul's Island,the most isolated piece of land on earth.
I see no connection with Isis. The captain was just a Muslim,unbalanced,didn't give a shit for human life.
I do not attackh any credence to this conspiracy shit.


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. -- ., Tue, 11 Aug 2015, 19:27:47 (NoHost/65.255.192.26)

Yo Jo, I am so glad to see you are surviving under the difficult circumstances. Congrats on your daughters. The facts were determined by using radisthesia at which I am proficient, I plot the course on a map, you might look up the technique on google. In the 60s and 70s I gave good demonstration to farmers as to where the underground water was on their farms using the technique so to them at least my abilities are proven. Even if you disregard this, why would the pilot head the plane like a missile or flying bomb to the Southern Indian ocean where Diego Garcia, a top secret Military base is located? And how do you explain the continuation of this crap, namely the Isis/Andreas Lubitz German Airlines incident? By the way I was followed yesterday by a chappie that looked liked an Arab when I went to the courthouse. This and many other incidents. Yes Isis, Hi to you.I know you are going to read this. What you need to know that is that Mohummad never incited a Jihad to kill people. His call was for a Jihad against materialism and for Spirituality. One day you will stand in front of Allah, and you are not going to like his judgement upon you for corrupting the glorious religion that Allah handed down to Mohummad, and you turning it into hatred and murder. You will die a thousand deaths, but that is for Allah to decide.


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