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Date Posted: 00:27:35 04/18/17 Tue
Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood
Collected, edited and analyzed by Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no
Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about.
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events
Memories of events that may be interpreted as alien abduction are quite common. Some may be from real abduction by non-human beings coming in strange flying vehicles.
Others may be actions done by governmental agencies or mafias for various purposes that have some of the same type of details.
Often one does not remember the abduction as such, but one remembers only some loose details during some kind of ordeal one has been subjected to.
I have made a poll to investigate these memories. If you have experienced something of the kind, please go to the poll and answar. All the answars will be lain out in the massage forum of the poll to be commented further upon.
The address of the poll:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524
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Extended mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia:
In certain areas the health authorities has begun to subject children and teens to extended well-child physicals where one performs several or all of the following procedures: inspections with optical scopes through all or several body openings,ultrasound examinations of most body structures, x-ray taking of joints, EEG and EKG. The kid is often given sedation or even general anesthesia during these extended physicals to make the kid cooperative and to hinder him or her from remembering. Still the kid will remember a lot of details around the procedures and sometimes also from the procedures themselves, because anesthesia never works perfectly, and the kid will always have some symptoms afterwards that tell a lot of what has been done. This poll has the aim of investigating experiences from such ordeals.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395
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Poll about cystoscopy:
By cystoscopy the doctor looks into your bladder with a long instrument. This instrument can be rigid like a stick or flexible. All age groups have cystoscopies. In some comunities a cystoscopy seem to be a mandatory exam at some ages of children and teens. These communities are probably not many yet, but this type of exam seem to increase in frequency, both for special purposes and for mandatory or recomended screening. This poll has the purpose of establishing a picture of the frequence of this type of exam in different age groups and the arrangements during the exam.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327
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Secret medical exams and procedures under anesthesia:
There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are. This poll has beenlaunched in several sesseions.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976
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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:
There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807
All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.
Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no
Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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A FEW OF THE STORIES I HAVE COLLECTED:
Boy, 13 yo, Canada, abducted from cabin at summer camp, probably by government
I am male. It happened at summer camp in Canada. I was 13 at the time.
HOW IT ALL BEGAN
I was lying in bed in my cabin. I had just gone to the bathroom. Some alien-looking being appeared by me, but I did not see where they came from.
I didn't see the vehicle but I was taken up in a bright light through the roof of the cabin. They floated me along suspended in the air. I suddenly was inside the vehicle or some foreign place without knowing how it happened.
PREPARATIONS
They also took with them other persons, teenagers, together with me. The first room I was in was like a waiting room and me and my other cabin mates were all lying on beds that looked like hospital beds.
When waiting I was strapped down. When waiting I had some device at my urinary opening to keep me empty. When waiting I had some device at my anus to keep me empty. When waiting I had a mask over my mouth and nose. I saw teenage people being prepared together with me.
I was then taken to an operating room with glass walls in it and put onto a table with bright lights over it. They stripped me totally naked. They washed me. They emptied my bladder with a tube inserted into my urinary opening. They emptied my colon with a device inserted through my anus.
Yes it was an operating room like I described before. I could see my cabin mates in other rooms They took off my boxers that I was sleeping in, washed me and then emptyed my bladder and intestines.
TESTING OF BODY REACTIONS AND FUNCTIONS
They monitored my reactions with devices on my head. They monitored my reactions with devices at different body parts. They tested my reaction with devices at my pelvic area, genitals or rectal zone. They stimulated me with electrodes at various body parts and tested my reactions. I was kept in the same room as before before the tests.
They hooked up wires to me and ran machines over me.
EXAMINATIONS AT THE HEAD OR THROUGH THE MOUTH OR NOSE
They looked at and felt on my head, face. mouth, eyes, ears and nose. They put instruments onto my eyes and looked into them. They put instruments into my ears. They put instruments into my nose.
They put instruments into my mouth and down into my throut. They put instruments through my mouth and all the way into my stomach. They put instruments through my mouth and down towards my lungs. They stuck some needles into parts of my head or neck. They examined my head with electrodes. They examined my head with something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment. They examined my head and neck in other ways.
I didn't feel anything at all and they were doing the same thing to everyone in different rooms.
EXAMINATION AT THE BREAST, BACK AND STOMACK
They looked and felt at my breast. They examined my breast with something like x-rays or ultrasound equipment. They stuck needles into my breast. They looked and felt at my stomach. They examined my stomach with something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment. They stuck needles into my stomach.
They looked and felt at my back. They examined my back with something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment. They stuck needles into my back. They examined my breast, stomach and back with electrodes. They examined my breast, stomach and back in other ways.
I don't really remember much they seemed to be curious about my belly more than anywhere else.
EXAMINATION OF MY LIMBS
They looked at and felt at my limbs and joints. They tested my joints by bending, flexing, spreading and twisting my legs, arms, hands and feet in all thinkable direction. They used something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment on my joints and limbs. They stuck needles into my joints and limbs. They examined my joints and limbs with electrodes. They examined my limbs and joints in other ways.
I don't really remember much about what they did except move my arms and legs around.
EXAMINATIOM OF THE INTIMATE AREA
They looked at and felt at my intimate area. They examined the outside of my genitals and pelvic area with something like x-ray or ultrasound equipment. They inserted a thin and long instrument in through my urinary opening, like a cystoscope.
They stuck something like an ultrasound sond in through my anus. They inserted a thin and long instrument through my anus, like a colonoscope.
They stuck needles into my genitals. They examined my intimate zone in other ways. They put some needles into my balls.
POSITIONS AN ARRANGEMENTS
I was lying down on my back the whole time. Sometimes they moved the table to elivate my legs.
COMMUNICATIONS GIVEN
I don't remember anything else except they said I would go to sleep
soon and wake up in my bed again.
HOW I GOT BACK
I do not remember how I got back, but I woke up at the place where they took me.
SYMPTOMS AND OBSERVATIONS AFTERWARDS
I felt tired and drawsy when I was back. When I woke up I had my underwear on backwards and they were another boys and I had my appendix removed.My clothes were messed up or put back clumpsily. Some clothes were changed with somebody else's clothes.
I felt totally empty in my stomach as if all the contents in my intestines had been flushed out. We all had small scars where our appendix should have been. Nope not at all.
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COMMENTS:
The kids were most probably examined and used in some secret governmental surveillance project directed on children and teens. The whole procedure followed a standard international protocol used for extensive examination of kids, sometimes as a part of secret projects, but in some communities atound the world as a mandatory procedure all kids go through, but is nevertheless never spoken about to the public.
The fact that the kids did not ask very much about what had happened afterwards is an effect of the anesthesia given. The staff at the camp did not react either, because they knew what was going on. It see,s that governments use summe camps very much to subject kids to such secret projects, and Canada seems to be very much involved in these projects.
The body development status, the stomach area and the intimate area are always of most interest in these projects. They probably stole tissue from the abdominal area, including the apendices, for use in research and for treatment of other patients. This tissue was surely sold through the international organ trade market.
The ordeal most probably began by the staff giving the kids some anesthesia through their evening meal, injected some anetshesia gas into the kabin, or knocked the kid out with some kind of electromagentic rays also bright light over the kids had the effect of knocking them out and making them feel like floating.
Then they came in and carried the kids to a secret medical area, possibly underground. The staff surely disquized themselves by wearing masks and uniforms for the task. Some kind of anesthesi make the patient feel like floating and going towards the roof, for example ketamine.
Knut Holt
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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Girl, North America, well-child physical with endoscopic examinations through pelvic openings
I am a female. Year 2000 or after. In North America. I was examined in a hospital. Please tell more about the place where you was examined: my regular doctor. My dad took me. The doctor and assistants examined me , while my dad was present. My regular doctor, and she had 3 assistants, also female doctors.
EXAM OVERVIEW:
They examined my head, teeth or jaws. They did an orthopedic exam. They examined my organs inside my stomach.vThey examined my genitals and my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones.
They inserted instruments into my urinary opening, not sure what it was. They inserted instruments into my vagina, not a speculum, unsure. They inserted instruments into my rectal openin, not a speculum, unsure.
They performed a neurologic exam with electrodes on my body. They performed an electrocardiogram of my heart. They performed a exam with electrodes on my head. They performed a full functional test of my breathing, heart and blood circulation under workload.
They made interrogations about my social relations and my daily life.
They took ultrasound pictures of the examined areas.
ARRANGEMENTS:
I was totally naked. My positions during the exam: various. standing, laying flat, stirrups. Any strange equipment or arrangements in the exam room? I have no idea what it was.
THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS:
Firsyly took me and my dad into a room and told me to undress, then took me out into the hall to be weighed and measured. A nurse took all my clothes and shoes.
Thirdly led me and my dad to a different room with a bed. Then took rectal temperature. And then this was done: standing, bending, squatting. They also looked in ears, eyes, mouth. The exam ended with me laying down, legs in stirrups, electrodes monitoring various things, breast, genital, rectal exam.
It took a really really long time. About the reason I have no idea there was nothing wrong with me. I am still confused by how long and thorough it was.
MORE ABOUT THE URINARY AND GENITAL EXAM:
I do not remember exactly how they examined my urinary system, but they did something down there.","they stuck something in there.
They palpated my outer female genitals. They spread my genital lips to look inside. They took speciments (pap smears, etc) from my vagina with an instrument. They performed an outer ultrasound exam of my female genitals and lower tummy area.
They perfomed an ultrasound exam through my vagina. They also applied some gel to my clitoris that made it really engorged, then examined.
RECTAL EXAM:
They spread my cheeks and examined extarnally my rectal zone. They examined my rectum with an inserted finger. They took some measurements inside my rectum or bowel with a long tube-like instrument.
They did some more things, these were: some thing inserted in my rectum and vagina at the same time, im really not sure what or why.
OBSERVATIONS OF STRANGE ASPECTS:
I was called in for quite another thing, but they also examined my genital and urinary zone. It was just supposed to be a followup. I was called in for quite another thing, but they also examined my rectal zone. It was supposed to be just a followup.
Someone strange person came and performed an intimate exam even though I was called in for quite another reason, my doctor and 3 other doctors, all women.
Someone strange person came and performed a social interrogation even though I was called in for quite another reason. One of the women, not my doctor, asked me lots of questions, lots of really personal questions.
I was brought to orgasm during the exam. The exam took a very long time, and my dad was there the whole time! It was pretty mortifiying.
The exam did not result in any diagnosis, still not sure why or what it was for.
New exams as follow up: Follow up with my primary doctor a month later, that was just a normal exam. nothing was said. No other kind of followup. maybe it was just some sort of study i was volunteered for?
COMMENTS
The girl did not tell her age when this occured. Some areas in the world have started to do extended examinations of all children and teens where inspections and specimen taking in the urinaty system, vagina and lower digestive tract is als
o performed. Often the children are called un individually for these exams. They may be mandatory or recommended, depending on community. Interrogation of social relations also is commeon during these exams. One purpose of the exam is surveillance of the young persons in the community for use both by the school and all type of authorities.
But this could also have been a part in ascientific project. It is possible that the parents got money for letting the doughter take part.
Based on the description it looks like 3 things were done in both her urethra, bladder, vagina, anus and lower colon: Ispection with an optical scope, taking of specimens of secretions and microbes, measuring of shapes and sizes to get an exact picture of her development stage.
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Boy, 12yo, Texas, taken into alien areal vehicle for psychological processes
I am male, Texas, it happened when I was 12yo, at a Private camp.
HOW THE EVENT BEGAN
I do not remember how the event began, but I remember what soon happened. I saw an alien-looking flying vehicle that approahced me.
It was a neon green brightly glowing disk illuminating entire area, slowly drifted and hovered over the picnic table. Dad was asleep and would not wake up. The disk had 2 protusions like blades from a food processor. It emitted sparks and sounded like many sparklers.
I felt like something happened while I was looking at it. Then it slowly drifted off and disapeared behind a hill.
MEMORIES OF THINGS HAPPENING INSIDE THE CRAFT
All happend at the place I was. I did not remember any more thing happening in the first place. But since then, Iv'e had dreans to this day. The interior of the ship is completely plain with no instrumentation except soft illumination emitting from the dome.
No one was present. There was a single seat in the center with only a small slender stationary joystick on the right side.
Later dreams indicate that anything technical is microscopicly integrated into the inner skin of the craft. Levitation devices are sub-microscopicly integrated into the outer skin. I have no idea, so far, what powers this.
Dreams later, I can say that this craft is totaly operated by telephathy, that which isn't preprogramed. It would be impossible to fly it - unless they let you.
I do not remember that they tested me. This may or may not be part of it. When I die, I will be back in 2211. This should give you an idea of the level of technology they posses.
I cannot remember they examined my head or neck. I do not remember they examined my breast, stomach and back. Nothing physical happened so far as I am aware.
I do not remember they examined my limbs and joints. I cannot remember they examined my intimate zone. Again nothing happened that way.
I was totaly free to look around. Nothing but the chair to see. Nothing other than than the dreams telepathically dumped into my head.
HOW I GOT BACK
I do not remember how I got out, but I woke up at the ground somewhere and walked back.
I jumped into the car noting that the interior lights did not turn on and went to sleep. Dad woke me up in the morning and everthing was normal. Chauked that up to a dream.
SYMPTOMS AFTER COMING BACK
The news on the radio mentioned a power failure. I was not brought away.
That was more than 50 years ago. I still have dreams. It did encourage me to pursue engineering and my obsession with audio video recording.
After seeing the object, I was very sleepy and crawled into the car and went to sleep. I felt tired and drawsy when I was back.
Just reoccuring dreans. All pleasant, not nightmares. Some dreams are totalally unaltered reruns, others I had not seen before.
COMMENTS
This is surely a happening that occured as remembered, and the dreams that pop up is probably memories from the event that have been repressed.
It is difficult to know how much more that happened that those things so far rememembered
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It seems like they experimented with the boy psychologically with waves directed at his nervous system and installed some information too in him this way. They may have made him unconscious that way too and brought him in and out of the craft, or took control of him and made him walk in and out. They obviously depressed the memory of what happened by some type of waves too.
But did aliens using an interdimmentional ship do this, or did the ship belong to a governmental project? If a ship jumps between levels in a dimmention one usually is noe aware of, this may cause bursts of energy that disturbe the electrical grid. The same can be said about governmental contraptions,using some exotic propulsion principle, but operate in a somewhat clupsy way.
It is impossible to decide surely, but the smoothness of deails and microtechnology points to something alien. Also the fact that he did not remember any physical exam as we usually think of it, points to an alien origin, since advanced aliens can surely look through a person with more advanced means.
Knut Holt
http://www.mydeltapi.com
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Boy, 14yo, North America, appendix unexpectedly taken out at the same time as from his brother, but most probably for tissue harvesting
I am male. It happened when I was an early teen, 14yo, in North America, in 2010 or later. I had an exam or surgery in my stomach area. It was after my identical twin brother had his appendix removed. The procedure happened in a hospital.
The doctor came out to talk to us and tell us how it went he was a little bit concerned because my brothers appendix didn't look to bad so he asked me if i would mind having mine taken out as well so they could compare them. They thought I may have had appendicitis as well as my brother I came in the car with my parents and my brother. my brother and I were both 14 at the time and it happened in august before we started High School.
PREPARATIONS AND ANESTHESIA
I was given sedative medicines through my mouth. I was given medication intravenously. They gave me gas through a mask.
They took me to get changed into a hospital gown and surgery cap as soon as I said I would have the procedure and my parents signed the consent form.
After that I was weighed, measured and had my blood pressure taken and they took some blood before taking me to the or. Once there I lay on the table and they put a mask on me and an IV in my arm.
ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM
I had some IV for antibiotic pain meds and some for my diabetes too. I woke up with a mask on as did my brother who was awake when I woke up. I had catheter, they kept them in both of us for ad with only a bag attached to them, I had heart monitor. They checked me to see how I was and how much pain I was in
SYMPTOMS AND OBSERVATIONS
I think I did wake up for a little bit when they were taking my appendix out. I heard them ask for some suction and then the anesthesiologist looked over to me and said: "man I sorry", as he gave me something to put me back under. Afterwards he apologised to me and said he had accidentally adjusted the machine too much and I woke up unexpectedly
I had pain irritation or other problems in my mouth and in my respiratory tract or lungs. I had pain, irritation or other problems in my urethra or bladder and also in my colon or lower stomach.
I had a small incision above my belly button and a bigger one on my right side. yeah they told me they started it laparoscopically and and had to open me because my appendix had ruptured. My brothers was still in tact when they took it out apparently.
No, but I do remember feeling my brother go under the anastasia (Difficult to understand).
The nurses sometimes had trouble telling us a part well we were in the hospital so they gave us different scrub tops to wear.
I had blue and my brother had green. When we left they let us keep them and gave us matching paint we wear them as pajamas most of the time now.
COMMENTS
It seems strange that the boy had ruptured appenix whithout having any symptoms. They probably took out his appendix, but most probably because they wanted the tissue for some purpose. It seems that thy took out more than just the appendix, and that was the reason for the bigger incision.
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Girl, 10yo, bussed in group from boarding school for extensive inner exams
I am female. It happened in Western Europe, 2015 or later, 10 years old. The exam was announced as a necessary school examination for all kids.
We went there in a bus in group from our school to a special establishment used for these type of exams. All children in my school of the age group haf it.
PREPARATIONS FOR THE EXAM:
They washed my body before the exam.I was totally naked through all the procedures. I had to strip totally naked before the exam. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. I got IVs, tubes into blood vessels, in an arm. I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I got a blood pressure monitor wrapped around an arm or a leg.
I got electrodes on my cheast, my stomach or hip region and my head. I got a tube or wire in through my urethra.I got a tube or sond in through my anus. The anesthesia only took away pain.
EXAMINATIONS WITH EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE MY BODY:
They performed an EEC (electroencephalogram) - functional test of the brain with electrodes on the head. They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas.
They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. I had to do some physical work, like cycling or running on a threadmill when the ECG and breathing analysis was performed.
They examined me with an ultrasound device or something on my head or neck, my upper body, my stomach area, my shoulder area, my hip area and my legs.
They took x-ray pictures of my chest, stomach, shoulder area, hip area and my limbs.
They used electrodes to record the functions at my head, chest, belly and limbs.
They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area.
EXAMINATIONS WITH INSTRUMENTS INSERTED INTO MY BODY:
They ispected the inside of my nose with a scope. They took specimens from my nose with a tube. They inspected the inside of my throut with a scope. They took specimens from my throut with a tube.
They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope. They took specimens from my urethra and bladder with a tube.
They used a speculum in my vagina. They took specimens from my vagina with a tube. They inspected my vagina with a scope.
They inspected my anus with a speculum. They took specimens from my anus with a tube. They inspected me through my anus with a rigid scope. They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope. They performed a full colonoscopy with a flexible scope.
They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe. They inspected me through my anus with an ultrasound probe.
The doctor explored my vagina with a finger. The doctor explored my anus with a finger.
They made an opening in my belly button or just under it and inspected the inside of my belly with a scope. They took specimens from the inside of my belly with a needle or tube through a hole in my belly button.
ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM:
I had IVs into blood vessels. I had electrodes on my head. I had electrodes on my body. I had catheter into my bladder. I had a tube going in through my anus. I had a tube going in through my nose or down into my stomach. I had a tube through a opening in my belly.
I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I just lay naked on the exam chair. We drove back with the bus.
THE SCHOOL I ATTENDED:
I attended public boarding school.
COMMENTS
The girl went through the exam recently and she is hardly older than 12 years old by now. It is possible that this report was made by her parents or somebody working at the school or had some connection with the ordeals.
The ordeal follow a standard procedure reported from several parts of the world, and seem to be parts of an international program. These ordeals have a long history, but has been gradualy modernized and made more comprehensive as the technological development has made it possible.
What differ most in these ordeals is the type and degree of anesthesia used. Often general anesthesia is used, but it is fully possible to do them only with some sedating medication plus local anesthesia without causing any pain. It seems that this is prefered at some places to avoid risks and to save time and expenses.
The program seems to be performed around the world on children in certain selected communities and schools and very often boarding schools.
Based on the report it seems that the children lay recovering at the exam table after the exam, forst with full intensive care wquipment, and then just naked, probably under a blanket.
The tubes she had after the main exam, were partly to help her body functions after the main procedure, but also partly to collect specimens of body secretions during some time.
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