So WHICH Is It ????? Re: Blair -- Let it ALL Hang Out

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[> [> [> I don't know which fans Llanviewer is talking about either Cabs but whoever they are .....well, never mind best to check the source and walk on by.....jmo, as always -- Candy, 20:28:11 05/20/02 Mon

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[> [> [> [> Good advice Candy -and I already know the sources are pretty warped -I guess the irony was getting to me -I was really just venting. -- Llanviewer, 20:40:30 05/20/02 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> That's what we're hear for Llanviewer..vent away..I sure wouldn't worry about anyone lifting your post and taking it somewhere else just for the sport of ridicule, evidently you struck a nerve!!....jmo, as always -- Candy, 08:26:10 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Nobody lifted the post, Candy ... this thing has once again been blown so out of proportion, it's freaky, I mean - TRULY bizarre. -- Satanic Cabbie, 09:16:26 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Since I'm the only one paying attention ... -- Cabbie, 14:04:31 05/21/02 Tue

I did get a giggle today when Bo and Blair both said, the DBL was the worst thing Todd ever did. He's done worse but I thought it was funny in light of some discussions that I've had ....

AND ... today the dialogue reflected my original point - that it's NOT inconsistent for Blair NOT to press charges ... and NOT to forgive Todd. It was exactly on point - too funny.

Eh, it's the small things that count.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> LOL Cabbie! That's IS Funny! -- Llanviewer, 09:59:50 05/22/02 Wed

Since Bo (Oh -I might agree with you there Bo -I can't make up my mind) says that the DBL is the worst thing Todd has ever done IT IS? That's your "validation"? That's kind of humorous since Tea's propping of T&B last week only meant, lousy writing, lack of history, crazy ep and writers, etc. etc. This week GT didn't know what he was talking about -this week he's an expert!

As far as your other point that it's not inconsistent for Blair not to press charges ... and not to forgive Todd.....
-I totally agreed with that in my response to you the other day so that comment obviously wasn't meant for anyone with my views on the subject.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> It was 'ironic' which is why I posted. I found the irony of those things funny considering the discussions on ATB and this board. I don't know WHO you are - but I have no personal beef with you. Have a great day. -- Cabbie, 11:23:05 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> WTF is THAT supposed to mean? Oh I know, I suppose I'm Dewey? All T&B fans are didn't you know? ROFL! Please don't be CREEPY. I've been posting at MD for ages and you know it -you've responded to me MANY times -should I have started asking you who the hell you were and what you wanted? Your response DID have to do with what we were talking about in the thread that I started. Don't post if you don't want a response -simple, huh? I don't know you either. Sheesh -Now I know why I've seen several people say "it's not all about you, Cabbie". -- Llanviewer, 12:24:18 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> BTW -I don't have a beef with you either ......just sick of you asking WHO I am all the time.....you're just trying to raise some weird suspicion because you can't come up with something better.....it's really not called.....it's not like I hide or dog people.... The exchange w/you is the biggest I've ever had -and I'd call that one even. JMO -- Llanviewer, 12:31:38 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You seem to be very angry with me and I have NO idea why. Everything I post is blown up and made into something it's not. I honestly don't understand that. Perhaps you'd like to e-mail me so we can keep this off the board. -- Cabbie, 12:44:42 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh good lord you two! PLEASE take it to e-mail already...ya'll are geting boring saying the same shit over and over again. I'm rubber, you're glue, etc., etc........ -- ladyday, 14:36:23 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Yes Cabbie -you know why -you keep referring to my identity yet again -I'm not angry but your paranoia is lost on me. It would be understandable if Llanviewer was a new name but you know I'm at MD so I don't really understand. Anyway -I agree -time to stop this conversation. It really should have been over days ago. -- Llanviewer, 13:48:02 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Again, because you're blowing something way out of proportion ... -- Cabbie, 14:24:09 05/22/02 Wed

I am not paranoid ... you have misunderstood entirely. In fact, you've misunderstood everything that I've posted to you and you SEEM to have gotten a strange enjoyment in making everything appear other than what it WAS. I don't give a damn as to your 'identity.' I had no idea you were from MD ... I don't care WHERE you're from.

My comment about, "I don't know WHO you are," means ... "I don't know you personally." That is all I meant.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Llanviewer, they'er convinced that there are only five T&B fans.... so, you gotta be one of them, right? -- OTWB, 12:40:40 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No ... it's not five T&B fans - it's three TnTers. Don't get all mixed up now! -- Cabbie, 12:50:31 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> AND a partridge in a GT..er...pear tree! -- A7, 19:41:17 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> LOL OTWB -I thought they stopped at the 5 accusation to make it easier since that's all the farther most of them could count?! -- Llanviewer ~who was ONLY joking so unwedge your panties all offended T&T fans......, 14:05:59 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Hmmm, good point. -- OTWB, 14:16:08 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Obviously it did! Thanks Candy -and thanks for your board -cool place.! :) -- Llanviewer, 12:26:46 05/21/02 Tue

Re: That's what we're hear for Llanviewer..vent away..I sure wouldn't worry about anyone lifting your post and taking it somewhere else just for the sport of ridicule, evidently you struck a nerve!!....jmo, as always

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Llanviewer..click (and anyone else interested) -- Candy and Lafaux, 15:20:05 05/21/02 Tue

At first Lafaux and I tried desperately to keep this board light but we have since rethought our position. All posters are allowed to go for broke with no fear of deletion, banning or any censure. This is more or less a private hangout for anyone who wants to be here and I just can't see how ANY of us can get any more insulting than we already have over the course of the last 5 years or so. LOL We have no allusions of grandeur that TPTB will hang here and we couldn't care less about the number of hits, we just want everyone to feel comfortable enough to say what ever comes to mind and that includes the TnT'ers (and the fans of other characters/couples management can't stand) brave enough to post here. ....Candy and Lafaux

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> It's a great place to kick back. I love to come here. It's a fun, cool board, and it's awesome to snark my little ass off in a place where my only responsibility is to post if I feel like it, or NOT post, if I don't feel like it. I like a rowdy board, especially if someone else is mommying it. It's actually the first time, I've ever experienced such a thing as a poster... it's kind of freeing. -- OTWB, 20:18:52 05/21/02 Tue

>At first Lafaux and I tried desperately to keep this
>board light but we have since rethought our position.
>All posters are allowed to go for broke with no fear
>of deletion, banning or any censure. This is more or
>less a private hangout for anyone who wants to be here
>and I just can't see how ANY of us can get any more
>insulting than we already have over the course of the
>last 5 years or so. LOL We have no allusions of
>grandeur that TPTB will hang here and we couldn't care
>less about the number of hits, we just want everyone
>to feel comfortable enough to say what ever comes to
>mind and that includes the TnT'ers (and the fans of
>other characters/couples management can't stand) brave
>enough to post here. ....Candy and Lafaux

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I'm glad you're enjoying yourself WB, I'm having a blast. BTW, we have no board mommies here, just a big burly bouncer named Getrude {~~meaner than a wet cat, but with a heart of gold -- Candy, 06:28:23 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No BM's? I don't know if we can be trusted, LOL! Love this place! -- ladyday, 07:38:10 05/22/02 Wed

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[> [> [> Re: Oh there are quite a few fans ... -- Llanviewer, 20:34:36 05/20/02 Mon

and I agree -there are probably endless things Blair could do besides press charges. You're right -not pressing charges wouldn't necessarly lead to forgiveness -but if she didn't it would probably lead to a day's worth of speculation as to whether Blair had second thoughts about their future.

My point was -Why would anyone that felt the need to expound to me and any other T&B fan over and over again that the DBL was an evil unforgivable act and proved that Todd never loved Blair really give a rat's ass if she presses charges or not??? Come on! When there was a chance that T&B might stay together he was evil! She sould kick him to the curb! Now that they've split she's picking on him!

I think what it boils down to is that some people used the DBL to their advantage in argument -but when it comes down to it all they want is Todd with their girl.

And.....I'm not talking about all T&T fans.

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[> [> [> [> Well there are also alot of these same fans........... -- ladyday, 21:02:53 05/20/02 Mon

And no, it's not ALL TnT fans or ALL Todd fans or ALL Tea fans.....but there are some who have decried this goofy character (ITA BTW) and said that they wouldn't want this guy anywhere near their girl! Another sentiment that I whole heartedly endorse. And many of these same people are now eagerly looking forward to how FL's Tea will draw out "real Todd", etc....I mean LMAO at the comments at how RH's horrible acting choices (he sucks, he's doing it for the money, etc.) are now suddenly "He comes alive when he's with FL!" "The Goof is gone!"......I'd do that eyeroll thing, but I really fucking hate that shit.

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[> [> [> [> To hell with the food fights, I want a *REAL* explanation of *WHY* now all the backpeddling about RH's acting choices, Todd the goof and all the rest of the hogwash that has come out of the TnT camp for the last 2 years. -- Candy no rocket scientist but not to hard to figure out which fans Llanviewer was talking about, 06:33:49 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> Personally I Hated Dippy The Goof As Much As The Twits Did. And MANY of RH's "acting" choices made me CRINGE... -- SkinTheKat - Soap Buff Uber Alles, 17:16:21 05/22/02 Wed

There is absolutely NO way I can or will even TRY to spin T&BUNK. It was stupid, horrible, contrived and amateurishly written by a CWTOC who decided to put their AMATEURISH skills at SITCOMEDY rather than giving us what we REALLY wanted: Drama, Passion and Romance. I LOATHED Blair's "Love Test" and The DelSnotto Sidestep.

Does that mean I have "seen the light" and suddenly want TnTripe...AGAIN? Ohhh, HELL no! Just as I rejected TWIT spin that Tea made Todd a better person; IMNSHO, she merely ENABLED that user, I also UNILATERALLY reject the Twit Crap-O-Ganda that acting with FL somehow makes RH a better actor and exorcises him of the DTG schtick he has been doing.

I have SEEN RH strut his stuff before his "Acting Soulmate" first surfaced on the show and he did an ABFAB without her. However, I DO blame "The RH Factor," complete with "certain contract restrictions" and a lot of OUTS.

And IF TFMIIC were stupid enough to bring RH back under those conditions, they should have simply brought the troll back WITH him and done "TnT3" THEN. Because IMNSHO, TnTripe is BETTER set up to handle an Asexual Leading Man by Making him a Frigid, Abusive Asshole than T&B was by watering Todd down into some kind of bumbling Sitcom Dad. I would have been FINE with it as long as they got Blair out of Holden Hell and put her with a Love Interest that didn't make me CRINGE.

I am HOPING that TMFIIC use TnTRoll Stroll Part DUH to do what they SHOULD hvae done the LAST time RH exited the canvas. And I mean NAIL that door shut behind him until RH gets hungry enough for Todd to get HORNY.

On screen or off, I really don't GIVE a damn that TnT will BE off OR on my screen as long as BLAIR isn't being shredded to prop it with Bad Mommy Hustles and denigrating her into a stupid bimbo propping Icky Losers again.

If Ross is well-written and put with Blair as a love interest, I could be a GREAT R&B fan and I'd have absolutely NO compunction about watching TnT. I could then be a Todd "We Don't Give A Damn ABout His Women" Firster. Just expect T�a to suck it up, assume the position and say, "Thank you, Sir, can I have another?" Because I TRULY DON'T give a shit WHO Todd abuses as long as it AIN'T BLAIR.

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[> [> Right up there with ..... -- OTWB, 20:11:17 05/20/02 Mon

If Blair forgives him, she's destroyed, she's a laydown, she's spineless.. She's RUINED, ruined for life!!!! Todd is a terrible monster, he's without heart, it's the most hideous thing anybody could do to anyone that they love!!! Leave him, Blair! Leave him.

Now, she's a big fat bully. Thank God, TeUGH's going to step in and save him from her. Thank God, TeUGH can save him from himself.... It's all Blair's fault, the bitch!

BTW, I wanted them to work it out, I thought that they could, but well... it might have required them to do it in more than thirty second sound bites, without the rest of Llanview being propped and where's the fun in that?

It's clear to me, that they won't work it out, so the least they could do is turn it into a righteous WAR starring TODD AND BLAIR, they can't even do that, they gotta bring meddling trolls into things. It's never really been about Todd and Blair, anyway, why would the end be any different?

You know, old Billie was right! Kill all the lawyers, kill'em tonight! (Don Henley, "Get Over It")

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[> [> [> Hey Cabbie -thanks for immediately running to ATB to tattle on me.... -- Llanviewer, 21:21:29 05/20/02 Mon

Hey Cabbie -since you felt the need to run and post about MY comment on the ATB board please be truthful. You said to them that, "they are confused as to how "we" feel".

See -it isn't THEY -it was only ME. ....and as far as the "we" thing goes -you know I didn't mean all the T&Ters there. I made it VERY clear it wasn't everyone and that I was just venting. Gee -I hate to give props -but Jackie for one has been pretty darn consistent in regard to what I was yammering on about and I wasn't talking about her at all.

You also said, "I guess they were trying to be too classy" in regard to naming names. Once again -not THEY -only ME. I wasn't trying to be classy -I guess I didn't expect you to run to the board and tell them I was talking about all of them or I would have.

Sorry to clog up the boards with this Candy and Lafaux. I guess I learned a lesson!

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[> [> [> [> My apologies... I really did find the issue interesting .... -- Cabbie, 21:43:14 05/20/02 Mon

... the concept of forgiveness not necessarily being inconsistent with NOT pressing charges.

I wasn't naming names either! So the "they" was meant to be 'general'. And people agreed with you - so clearly there's more than one person who feel as you do.

No tattling ... but you know, don't forget, I'm basically evil AND stupid and nothing I say is correct OR accurate so consider the source and move on.

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[> [> [> [> [> Well gee -I knew it wouldn't kill me to start up my aerobics class again but I didn't realize that "ME" was as big as an entire "FANBASE" -such lumpage! I took great pains to use the words SOME and CERTAIN to make myself clear that it wasn't all T&T fans. Gee, I thought it was only nasty T&Bers that kept the war going? No need to apologize -I was the one in the wrong -I really, really should have known better. -- Llanviewer, 23:17:28 05/20/02 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> There is no "war," it's a family feud. Think a big old picnic with the various families .... and they're shooting at each other from behind overturned picnic tables. Anyways, sometimes, people like to jump into the feud just to be part of the crowd ... so if you want to throw some food, expect to get some back! -- Satanic Cabbie Dishing out Potato Salad At the Family Feud, 23:22:19 05/20/02 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> tsk tsk Don't lecture me -food fights can be fun! -but when I throw food at a couple people I don't expect someone to run and cry to mommy that I threw food at the whole crowd. Sorry -you got caught with pie on your face -don't blame me. -- Llanviewer, 23:33:17 05/20/02 Mon

Re: There is no "war," it's a family feud. Think a big old picnic with the various families .... and they're shooting at each other from behind overturned picnic tables. Anyways, sometimes, people like to jump into the feud just to be part of the crowd ... so if you want to throw some food, expect to get some back!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> WHATEVER!!!! LOL! Woweeeeeee..... -- Cabbie, 23:45:23 05/20/02 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> ROFLMAOPIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wowweeee and WHATEVER are RIGHT! -- Llanviewer, 23:58:29 05/20/02 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I think I'm in the twilight zone. Goodnight, whoever you are!! Perhaps things will be allllllll better for you tomorrow .......... easy, now .... -- Satanic Cabbie, 00:08:20 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> yes Cabbie......thank you for the sincere well wishes......you get your rest.........all that spinning was bound to tire you out......... -- Llanviewer, 00:41:19 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> [> You and your buddies have been screeching about "how you feel" for years on EVERY message board you can spam. So, if we're confused, your buddies must be less than articulate, or we must have become deafened by TeUGH's LAST stint in Llanview. Maybe it's because the spin changes with whichever way the wind blows.... whose to say? -- OTWB, 22:24:13 05/20/02 Mon

>Hey Cabbie -since you felt the need to run and post
>about MY comment on the ATB board please be truthful.
>You said to them that, "they are confused as to how
>"we" feel".
>
>See -it isn't THEY -it was only ME. ....and as far as
>the "we" thing goes -you know I didn't mean all the
>T&Ters there. I made it VERY clear it wasn't everyone
>and that I was just venting. Gee -I hate to give
>props -but Jackie for one has been pretty darn
>consistent in regard to what I was yammering on about
>and I wasn't talking about her at all.
>
>You also said, "I guess they were trying to be too
>classy" in regard to naming names. Once again -not
>THEY -only ME. I wasn't trying to be classy -I guess
>I didn't expect you to run to the board and tell them
>I was talking about all of them or I would have.
>
>Sorry to clog up the boards with this Candy and
>Lafaux. I guess I learned a lesson!

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[> [> [> [> Llanviewer, No need to apologize! -- Lafaux, 02:10:32 05/21/02 Tue

You haven't posted anything on this board that you have to apologize for. I am glad that you felt you could come here to vent.

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[> [> [> [> [> Thanks Lafaux -much appreciated -it felt good! -- Llanviewer, 12:47:17 05/21/02 Tue

>You haven't posted anything on this board that you
>have to apologize for. I am glad that you felt you
>could come here to vent.

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[> [> [> Maybe Cabbie thinks you're profound. First they copy your posts to the board, then they mock them.... then they spin it around, spin it into some lame crap that it isn't then give each other a high five.... It's kind of cool, actually, it means they gotta bring it home to kill it. You really haven't arrived though, until they accuse you of worshipping Satan. . -- OTWB, 21:47:17 05/20/02 Mon

>If Blair forgives him, she's destroyed, she's a
>laydown, she's spineless.. She's RUINED, ruined for
>life!!!! Todd is a terrible monster, he's without
>heart, it's the most hideous thing anybody could do to
>anyone that they love!!! Leave him, Blair! Leave him.
>
>Now, she's a big fat bully. Thank God, TeUGH's going
>to step in and save him from her. Thank God, TeUGH can
>save him from himself.... It's all Blair's fault, the
>bitch!
>
>BTW, I wanted them to work it out, I thought that they
>could, but well... it might have required them to do
>it in more than thirty second sound bites, without the
>rest of Llanview being propped and where's the fun in
>that?
>
>It's clear to me, that they won't work it out, so the
>least they could do is turn it into a righteous WAR
>starring TODD AND BLAIR, they can't even do that, they
>gotta bring meddling trolls into things. It's never
>really been about Todd and Blair, anyway, why would
>the end be any different?
>
>You know, old Billie was right! Kill all the
>lawyers, kill'em tonight! (Don Henley, "Get Over
>It")

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[> [> [> [> Yeah ... well, I'm the real Satan. Me and my buds. I copy posts all the time from other boards ... and mock them ...I love to do it. I do it though because I've been banned from so many boards ...and can't actually GO to the source and respond. -- Cabbie, 21:56:31 05/20/02 Mon

I know ... it's all the flaming I do!! Bad me!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> what hypocrisy,,,,the only place that bans people is your prozed laughing stock board, ATB filled with some of the most unconscious drivel I have ever seen and if you are remotely pro TNB you are banned...MD and ATB swamp lands of hypocrites whining just like fave. Horrid, fetid and not worth sh**. -- A7, 22:22:08 05/20/02 Mon

what a laugh...that you would take any posts anywhere and mock them...perhaps the word is out what most of the industry does with the MD posts....or the priceless frozen food board ATB....if you only knew!!!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> A7.................................. -- ladyday, 22:37:07 05/20/02 Mon

I thought the DBL was the death of T&B (for me....and I blame the writers, not the characters).....BUT I AM PRO T&B! I am a T&B'er. Make no mistake. I post at ATB all the time. Jackie (one of my favorite "targets" in the past) very clearly states at the top of her board what is and is not allowed there. If you follow the "house rules" you won't get deleted or banned. I don't T&B or Blair gush there, and I don't tell them they are FOS for liking Tea. I discuss other aspects of the show with them. It's so simple really.

"what hypocrisy,,,,the only place that bans people is your prozed laughing stock board"
A7 you couldn't be more wrong. Totally wrong.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Ladyday, most fair...and what of MD? -- A7, 00:50:13 05/21/02 Tue

>I thought the DBL was the death of T&B (for me....and
>I blame the writers, not the characters).....BUT I AM
>PRO T&B! I am a T&B'er. Make no mistake. I post at ATB
>all the time. Jackie (one of my favorite "targets" in
>the past) very clearly states at the top of her board
>what is and is not allowed there. If you follow the
>"house rules" you won't get deleted or banned. I don't
>T&B or Blair gush there, and I don't tell them they
>are FOS for liking Tea. I discuss other aspects of the
>show with them. It's so simple really.
>
>"what hypocrisy,,,,the only place that bans people is
>your prozed laughing stock board"
>A7 you couldn't be more wrong. Totally wrong.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Never go there. I stay away from places that piss me off. -- ladyday, 05:09:04 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> Gee, Cabbie. I didni't realize that it was such a hobby. I usually restrain myself from reposting from other boards just so I can tear down the posters for being off their proverbial MEDS. Actually, it happens from time to time at the Knoll, but it's not my favorite thing. Maybe I should rethink that! It could be a lot of fun. -- OTWB, 22:27:32 05/20/02 Mon

>I know ... it's all the flaming I do!! Bad me!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Oh yes..... if you visit ATB, there you will see all the posts from other boards ... copied and pasted. I've been campaigning to get a special Copy, Paste and Humiliation Board up ... but I can't get the support. So I just keep it right on ATB. That way everyone gets a chance to read the Copies, Pastes and Humiliations. More hits!! -- Satanic Cabbie Who Thinks of Lots of People When She Watches the Soap, 22:43:19 05/20/02 Mon

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[> [> [> [> Kinda like all those profound thoughts in your Flames and Games folder Liz? -- ladyday, 22:05:39 05/20/02 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> Yeah, like that. I actually rarely if ever move posts from one board to another. Other's do it, though. I delete it, I get crap for "censoring" folks. I leave it up, I get crap for being mean to other posters with differing ideas. Lose/lose... judgement calls are a bitch. I've always thought it best to come up with your own ideas for discussion, but mabye I should stop discouraging crap like that and just go with it. Some folks enjoy the blood, but I actually prefer discussion.. -- OTWB, 22:31:57 05/20/02 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> I enjoy some vascular verbiage myself. -- ladyday, 22:48:30 05/20/02 Mon

It must be really hard riding herd on a board as huge as Totally Toddian.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well after all these years, I find it kind of boring... but there are places for that kind of thing, and I'm all everybody having something. -- OTWB, 09:03:34 05/21/02 Tue

>It must be really hard riding herd on a board as huge
>as Totally Toddian.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Ah yes, the old days! It IS good for everybody to have something to hold onto. -- ladyday, 11:16:33 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> The Twitty Just Like To Use THE Most Expedient Argument To Get Their TnT3 Agenda Fulfilled. -- SkinTheKat - Soap Buff Uber Alles, 17:46:08 05/22/02 Wed

Blair FORGIVING Todd providing CERTAIN CONDITIONS are met would BE the best scenario. After all, they now share TWO children together and it's not like STARR, at least is too young to remember her father. It's not like JACK is an only child who would not soon wonder why his big sister can see his father and HE can't. Children of Divorce do NOT thrive the way children of stable marriages do.

So, Blair demanding that Todd see a REAL therapist and NOT Dr. RAEzorHead Cummings who he could easily con and get off his back AND insisting that he go to Parents Anonymous Meetings for the rest of his natural life makes THE most sense.

But THAT responsible position would be pooh-poohed by the Twitty as Blair being some Abuse Sucking IDIOT. Best that Blair tear apart her family to throw him to the loving arms of the TROLL.

And once the Troll appears on the screen, she'll have to RESCUE Todd and LIBERATE Blair's children from Mean Old Unforgiving Blair, because NOW she is NOT putting her children first and THAT makes her a Bad Mommy. I've SEEN that stupid hustle play out before.

All I have to say is whether or not Blair forgives Todd, the LAST thing he needs is some ENABLER to help him contine with his stupid stunts. I don't CARE about the troll. Yes, she is ALSO one of Todd's victims, but it seems toME like she VOLUNTEERED for that detail. Like T�a, BLAIR has a choice to either suck it up, or refuse to put up with it. I care, because there ARE CHILDREN INVOLVED. And yes, Cabbie et al, I'm AWARE they are FICTIONAL, but there it is.

Starr as Todd's Adoring Mini Me and Jack as some Biddable Baby are CUTE right now. But there IS going to come a time when they are going to want their OWN way and they WILL disappoint TODD. This is NOT a healthy situation for them to be raised by a father THEY DARE NOT DISAPPOINT. If STARR takes up with and is impregnated by some boy that Todd disapproves of... what is there to keep him from disposing of HER baby and telling her it was dead. Same as if Jack impregnates some GIRL that Todd doesn't like.

I don't care WHICH woman Todd ends up with, he is never going to be viable with ANYONE if he doesn't face some CONSEQUENCES and is never punished for his misdeeds.

Yeah, Blair LIED TO TODD. AGAIN. But it was up to Todd how he would CHOOSE to react to it. He COULD have simply allowed Blair to leave town, taken the daughter he already HAD sole custody of and went off to find the troll again to raise her. He had NO right to take Blair's baby, dispose of it and tell her he was dead, even IF he did it because he believed a lie she had told him.

The Onus of Reponsibility for Todd's ACTIONS are on TODD.

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[> [> [> Re: He gave her a can of dirt, for crying out loud -- blainca, 05:43:39 05/21/02 Tue

And I'm still waiting for Blair to ask him the following question... depending on his answer and oh yes he had better answer and not stand there looking like a dumb F*ck... then maybe we can talk about forgiveness

Do you really hate Max more then you love me?

And I think Todd will be lucky if Blair doesn't find out the whole truth in regard to the baby broker, the nuns, David Vickers, and Ol Buck what's his face... could you imagine Buck finding out that Jeter wasn't his after all, and chucking him out ala Todd like yesterday's garbage along with his goldigging wife? What would she do with the baby she just bought him as insurance so that she could smooch off of Buck...what kind of life would this kid have...maybe he would have wound up with that band of gypsies after all!

He kidnapped Starr...He kidnapped Jack...um when is this shit gonna stop?

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[> [> [> [> And that's kind of what I'm talking about, Blainca. You asked when it's gonna stop; well, it AIN'T, cuz Todd is Todd. Way back when during the REAL T&B, before all the *rape me, Todd* BS really hit the fan for RH, Todd had a smidge of a heart. Since TnT that heart's BEEN gone. THIS is Todd--so burned in life that he can't really do an honest thing--he's too afraid of the consequences. I am NOT apologizing for the guy; I'm trying to explain. So, if ANYONE--T&Ber, TnTer--wants Todd with their babe, then they get the WHOLE package. -- Philosopher, 07:25:18 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> There are only two things I can hold onto as a T&B fan: (1) those simply magical years of the REAL (i.e., the very early) T&B, when it seemed as though Todd and Blair would FOREVER be a united force fighting a world that had done both of them so wrong; and (2) the REALITY that Todd has NEVER laid ONE SINGLE ANGRY HAND on Blair, Starr or Jack. That gives me hope that T&B may someday find their *home* again, stop trying to *fix* one another, and lay into the business of making Llanview INTERESTING again. Other than that, as the T&Bers say, IT'S ALL TRIPE TO ME. -- Philosopher, 07:31:22 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> ...Wait. I forgot the almost-rape scene in the early 90's. So my theory about not one angry hand is a little flawed. But just a little, cuz that was pretty darn early in the history of Todd. -- Philosopher, 07:33:02 05/21/02 Tue

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[> [> [> I Never Thought T&B '95 Was An Unrealistic Fairytale. There is NO Doubt That TnTripe Changed Todd and THAT WAs For The WORSE -- SkinTheKat - Soap Buff Uber Alles, 17:59:59 05/22/02 Wed

Not that 1995 Todd STILL didn't have it IN him to be a vindictive asshole, but I think it helped that he had had SOME really good therapy from Ray Marino AND had to face some consequences, i.e. Statesville Prison, even though it was for a few short months.

Then he spat on the Gift of Grace that Fate handed him when he remarried Blair by going off to personally rescue (SHOWOFF TO) Martyr Sayebrooke and got shot for his pains and then came to PUTRIDITY and all the fallout from Brendan.

Now, after he met the troll, he was shielded from ANY consequences for his bad actions. "You blew up Guy Armitage? Let's go to Disney World!" He killed a guy and threw his baby daughter in harm's way and it was the mother who TRIED to protect her who lost custody and was villified as the bad parent by the entire town, NOT HIM. Moreover, the enabler who assisted him was CANONIZED by the entire town.

NOT a good life lesson.

While I will ALWAYS harbor hopes that Todd and Blair can find their way back to each other, I do NOT want a Tripetized Todd anywhere NEAR her. I do NOT want some repetition where Big Bad T�Ugh rescues Poor Widdle Tawd from Big Bad Blair and takes off her with Blair's offspring again. This time Todd HAS to lose before I EVER consider him viable with Blair.

If he gets away with it again, this time, stick a fork in him, he's DONE. You might as well feed Todd to the twitty.

Speaking of her, down with The Evil Alien. We all know she's setting Todd up, right?

So Blair is considering letting Toddy Bowl back into her life, for Starr's sake. So much for the "No Todd Allowed" sign.

Remember the story of the woman and the snake? You know, the one where the woman took in a dying snake and nursed it back to health? Well, as we all know, as soon as the snake got up to speed, he turned on his savior and but her on the butt. And as she was dying, she asked why. He shrugged and said, "Yeah, but you knew I was a snake."

What I'm trying to say is that Blair is doing the right thing. But she's covering all her bases by having security amped up whenever Todd's around. And I don't just mean the guards for supervised visits.

Blair knows who Todd is. More than that, she knows what Todd is. And granted, Blair's done some shady things in the past, but Todd giving Jack away and telling Blair that the baby died and bringing him back only when he found out it was his... that's inexcusable. There is no reason why any rational adult should use children as pawns in their own war. So as much as I want to see Blair and Todd reconcile, I just can't fathom her forgiving him under these circumstances.

Because she knows what he is. It's like the old saying goes: "When you make a deal with a snake, don't be surprised if he bites you on the [butt]."