And? Isn't being called delusional for having an opinion different from others, "part of the game'? I mean ... aren't TnTers being called delusional right now for not buying into the DBL as proof of love? -- Let it ALL Hang Out

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[> [> [> [> [> LOL! Lou! You're right! Todd has potent sperm, and he shot those little devils in the right direction, in the right woman, and they've got themselves the cutest little round face baby boy I've ever seen. -- Lafaux, 09:16:08 05/18/02 Sat

Was it based on an act of love, an act of lust, an act of desire? Unlike so many T&Ters who claimed not to be watching,I was watching, and the context of what happened shows that it was most likely all of the above.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> I watched TOO, Lafaux. Boy, do we have different cable boxes ... as they say. -- Cabbie, 09:23:40 05/18/02 Sat

I was grossed out by Peculiar, and NO, it wasn't because of all that "Spermy Love" by the Messiahs. I don't call the B a hideous beast for nothing, you know.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> You know, I'm posting here ... and I really hope that you get my point .... -- Cabbie, 09:31:14 05/18/02 Sat

NOBODY is in a position to claim some kind of superiority thanks to their 'vision' of their 'couple.' EVERY behavior of the TnTers that is derided by the B/ters is a behavior that been done by the themselves.

There isn't ANYTHING that can be said about TnTers that cannot be said about B/ters ... and that's all there is to it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Cabbie! Of course our cable boxes are different. Yours is connected to the Twilight Zone. -- Lafaux, 09:53:51 05/18/02 Sat

You think that Todd's professions of "I DON'T LOVE YOU'S", and pupil penetration are normal expressions of love. A man and a woman having sexual intercourse is to you, "peculiar".

I get that! You don't have to beat me over the head with it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No ... I believe a man who did what he did to B doesn't love her. I believe the Peculiar wasn't out of love but out of rapture from blackmail and power. -- Cabbie, 10:03:36 05/18/02 Sat

And note that if my cable box is connected to TZ, YOURS is connected to Outer Limits ... as is your internet service provider.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Ah! So it was the blackmail and power that got Todd's juices flowing! LOL! Okay! Somebody had better tell Tea because that bitch froze him up. It's obvious that he doesn't respond to begging and pleading. -- Lafaux, 10:51:34 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> We agree on one thing. That baby is adorable isn't he? -- Lou, 09:45:24 05/18/02 Sat

Who cares what the act was about? The point was the fact that T&B have a baby does NOT necessarily mean that T loves B. You can make a strong argument that is the case but the act of sex itself doesn't prove it...which was the only the point I was making.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, Lou! Agreement is not high on my priority list, but damn it! Yes! That is one adorable baby! -- Lafaux, 09:59:46 05/18/02 Sat

Who cares what the act was? A whole lot of people care what the act was, most of them being T&Ters.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I think he has his daddy's ears. What a sweetie!!! -- OTWB, 12:19:19 05/18/02 Sat

>Who cares what the act was? A whole lot of people
>care what the act was, most of them being T&Ters.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> The baby is truly, truly cute!! -- Cabbie, 11:52:58 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> Although I almost regret saying this, I'd be careful of touting the sex thing. Who knows--GT may twist the old knife on us with this one!!! -- Philosopher, 09:34:58 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> If marrying a man for his money makes one a HO what does that make Blair? DId she or did she not fool Todd into marrying her the first time by claiming to be pregnant, all because she knew he was coming into the Lord millions? What exactly did Tea do that Blair didn't do? You are so obsessed with hating Tea that I think you're more obsessed with her than even the TnTers are. -- Allie, 22:52:52 05/18/02 Sat

>There is not proof of anything btw Todd and his five
>million dollare HO>>>>>

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[> [> [> [> [> Oooo! A psychologist is on the premises. Thanks for you analysis Doc.! (Click) -- Lafaux, 01:38:48 05/19/02 Sun

"If marrying a man makes one a HO, what does that make Blair?"

It makes Blair the woman that Todd fell in love with despite her frailties. It makes her the woman that he professed his love to, the woman that he wanted to have a family with, and the woman he said he knew he could be with from the moment he first saw her.

BTW - Doc, If we are obsessed with the troll because we love to bash her, what is your diagnosis of someone who visits a soap board solely for the purpose of admonishing the posters?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> A real doc? If this keeps up, I'm going to have to bring some words of wisdom from Dr. Fraud, friend to the Knoll and counselor to the delusional. -- OTWB, 05:05:08 05/19/02 Sun

>"If marrying a man makes one a HO, what does that make
>Blair?"
>
>It makes Blair the woman that Todd fell in love with
>despite her frailties. It makes her the woman that he
>professed his love to, the woman that he wanted to
>have a family with, and the woman he said he knew he
>could be with from the moment he first saw her.
>
>BTW - Doc, If we are obsessed with the troll because
>we love to bash her, what is your diagnosis of someone
>who visits a soap board solely for the purpose of
>admonishing the posters?

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[> [> [> [> [> You might have a point there Allie -I could see where one might not consider Tea a ho in regard to Todd since to be a successful ho you gotta have sex -I don't think relentless begging counts......... -- Llanviewer, 04:44:47 05/19/02 Sun

Thank goodness she slept with a good portion of Llanview and a family member too -therefore she is able to retain the ho moniker with pride!

>>There is not proof of anything btw Todd and his five
>>million dollare HO>>>>>

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[> [> [> [> [> [> That part always struck me as the funniest damn thing: Todd paid her (and handsomely) to NOT have sex......Too funny! Course she stunk at being a well behaved Ho, she WASN'T discrete when she carried on with other men as she had been asked, and she kept trying to renegotiate the "no sex" clause, LOL! -- ladyday, 12:41:26 05/19/02 Sun

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[> [> [> [> [> Er.... Nope! I didn't say that I was surprised that T&Ters want Tea with Todd. Hell! They have been panting and wetting their panties for that to happen forever. What I said was I was not aware that people were calling T&Ters delusional for not seeing the DBL as a sign of Todd's love for Blair. (Click) -- Lafaux, 09:33:38 05/18/02 Sat

What keeps me sane, and non-moronic is that I read only a select few of the other boards. I can't stomach MD, and I tried ATB, but I got nauseous.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Well ... look around - many people don't buy into the Great Love of B/t ... but ...they are told to be "spinning" and are currently being called delusional. Because of course ... the love is so OBVIOUS and SO HUGE - I mean ... look at Todd's face!! -- Cabbie, 09:43:34 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, maybe the T&Bers have borrowed one from the T&Twist Book of Tricks. LOL! -- Lafaux, 10:04:07 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Some people have the guts to look at two children and say no love...some have the eyes that see, a man has children with a woman it MEANS something and when he will not touch her, sleep with her, drugs punches and wonders if she ever shuts up, that does not, in FACT, does not equal love. Sorry for you. -- A7, 10:18:15 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Excuse me? You're sorry for ME? I don't know you ... and you don't know me ... so PLEASE remember that this is a soap opera and is not warranting of YOUR comments on MY personal well-being. -- Cabbie, 11:50:12 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Sorry for YOU plural,,,do you speak any other languages? English maybe? But if the crab fits wear it. I haven;t even the slightest interest in you or your well being. I could not believe any of your well being is affected by the fictional world of soaps as you drone on and on to remind us. Kindly remember not EVERYTHING is about you, dear...Yawn. -- A7, 19:55:44 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Do me a favor and ignore all my posts. Pretend I don't exist. I'm sure that's easy to do. -- Cabbie, 15:44:44 05/19/02 Sun

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Typical cop out...cry, whine and then when you get the response you are looking, no, begging for, you say,"sniff sniff:indignant,IGNORE me please" You IGNORE me, fantasy like yours cannot stand up to the harsh light of reality; I will keep hacking to bits, er, continue to oppose vehemently any degradation to Todd like was perpetuated by that thing Tehag years ago. With eyes wide open....nnaa nnna nnnaa na na -- A7, 16:50:34 05/19/02 Sun

childish refrain you resemble.

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[> [> [> [> [> So, Cabbie, putting a smiley emoticon next to a sentence calling someone a moron is somehow BETTER than my telling you that you couldn't speak intelligently on the actor bashing thing??? Talk about a double standard. And, in reply to your question about WHY TnTers would want them together, why does TnT want to get together after the Knuckle Kiss when they've been saying for MONTHS that Blair should kick Todd out on his @ss for the DBL. Certainly, the motivations for the two were COMPLETELY different--one represented pure hatred...which one? -- Philosopher, 09:39:12 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> And if you say the DBL somehow represented MORE hatred than the Knuckle Kiss, well, I'd have to disagree. Todd put forth the DBL because he is STOOPID--he wanted Blair & family so bad & yet hated Max's spawn so much that this was the only way out for him (for HIM--STOOPID Todd--i.e., we're not talking rationality here). The Knuckle Kiss, OTOH, well, it was violence for the sake of violence, pure hatred condensed into a single punch. How can it be any other way? And TnTers still want Todd back with Tea??? Absurd. You know, abusers are NEVER cured. You want THAT for your Tea??? Absurd. -- Philosopher, 09:48:42 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> And you want it for YOUR Blair? -- Cabbie, 09:59:20 05/18/02 Sat

Todd did not do the DBL because he loved Blair so much. My GOSH, that's what I'm talking about - people tout it as proof of love.

It was hateful ... he did it to get back at Blair because she twisted the knife in his gut for months on end for no damn good reason other than as a love test (that WAS the peak of the lie - NOT because Todd would steal her baby). She rubbed it in his face for months, every chance she got ... the man told that woman to her face, "I wish it was mine." He wanted the "package" ... and STILL she kept the truth from him.

Only when the baby was dead did she decide to tell him the truth - and WOW ... lo and behold ... does he come running with the baby to save the day? Nope ... he comes running and lies to her to keep her in mourning.

Whatever Phil - NO, I'm not saying the punch was worse or better ... I'm saying that despite the hate, B/ters still cry on those Manning Church Steps - waiting with bated breath for the next Mass, "The Forgiveness".

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I seriously doubt that anybody that I run with will be bitching when Blair kicks his ass. There will be bitching, but I don't see it from those "Blairian" T&B'ers, as you like to refer to US. WTF ever.... be happy. I heard that TnT III was gonna be! You won't see me whining about it. -- OTWB, 11:28:16 05/18/02 Sat

>Todd did not do the DBL because he loved Blair so
>much. My GOSH, that's what I'm talking about - people
>tout it as proof of love.
>
>It was hateful ... he did it to get back at Blair
>because she twisted the knife in his gut for months on
>end for no damn good reason other than as a love test
>(that WAS the peak of the lie - NOT because Todd would
>steal her baby). She rubbed it in his face for
>months, every chance she got ... the man told that
>woman to her face, "I wish it was mine." He wanted
>the "package" ... and STILL she kept the truth from
>him.
>
>Only when the baby was dead did she decide to tell him
>the truth - and WOW ... lo and behold ... does he come
>running with the baby to save the day? Nope ... he
>comes running and lies to her to keep her in mourning.
>
>Whatever Phil - NO, I'm not saying the punch was worse
>or better ... I'm saying that despite the hate, B/ters
>still cry on those Manning Church Steps - waiting with
>bated breath for the next Mass, "The Forgiveness".

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> How can TnT3 "be" when Todd will be too busy sacrificing himself on the B/t Altar? You know, in preparation for B/t # following the Mass of Forgiveness? -- Cabbie, 11:45:00 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You know, Cabbie when people are discussing two different opinions on one subject you're supposed to at least allow the opposing team the respect to write their own spins on things as opposed to turning it into something absurd and stupid enough for you to handle debating. Even I couldn't go that low, but hey, I didn't go to law school so WTF do I know? -- OTWB, 12:17:57 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> SIGH ... that was a JOKE. You made a jokie comment and just turned the joke around. -- Cabbie, 13:08:15 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Darn, I'm a little slow on the uptake Cabbie. You know you have to dumb it down a bit, I'm just one of the ever so shallow fans who don't get the more subtle repart�. Apologies... I'm rolling now, you are such a wit!!! WTF was I thinking? -- OTWB, 14:13:49 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I try SOOOOO hard to dumb it down ... but I always fail ... so sorry!! -- Cabbie, 15:54:36 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, I'll try if you try, Cabbie. -- OTWB, 16:30:42 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Deal ;) Can we sing Kumbayah now? I honestly am SO much happier when we all just get along ... damn it! -- Cabbie, 16:41:16 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Sure, take my hand.... -- OTWB (giggling while she hides that little palm shocker thingie she got at the magic store.), 18:02:55 05/18/02 Sat

Hell no, I ain't classy but I do know how to have a good time.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Phil ... the DBL was full of hatred. The punch was hateful, too. Certainly you're not trying to distinguish the cruelty, are you? -- Cabbie, 09:51:30 05/18/02 Sat

No double standard - moron was meant tongue in cheek. If someone wants to throw that word around, I'll throw it around, too.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh yes I am. I think the KK (AND the NUMEROUS other physically abuses Todd did to Tea) are FAR worse than the DBL. Physical abuse is far more dangerous (and representative of much more hatred) than pure psychological abuse. And I don't even think that the DBL was intended as abuse per se. Like I said, DBL was STOOPID Todd looking for a way to keep his family intact without having to parent the spawn of Max. He was NOT intent on abusing Blair in giving that baby away. He was STOOPID and needy, but in his odd way he did it because he LOVED & WANTED Blair. Same can't be said about the KK. -- Philosopher, 09:58:38 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> If you believe in your heart that the DBL was 'better' than what Todd did to Tea ... there is NO point in any further discussion. -- Cabbie, 10:01:00 05/18/02 Sat

We'll only end up calling each other names :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> HOLY SH*T!!!!! You're kidding, right??? And some people said you didn't have a sense of HUMOR. -- Cabbie, 10:05:43 05/18/02 Sat

GOOF!!!!!! That's all I got to say on the matter.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No, I'm dead serious. Many may not agree with me, but I have SCIENCE behind what I say. -- Philosopher, 10:08:05 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh this one I have to hear .... please, oh PLEASE tell me how B/t has science backing it ... LOL!! -- Cabbie Impressed with Phil the Comic, 10:09:57 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Honestly I would (and will later on...), but I have to take kiddies to soccer. So bye for now (not a copout, really...I'll be back, you know I will....) -- Philosopher, 10:13:00 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Phil has a wonderful sense of humor, it's best proven by this conversation that she's having with you. Sorry you had to leave, I'm bummed! MORE, Cabbie, MORE! -- OTWB, 14:09:43 05/18/02 Sat

>GOOF!!!!!! That's all I got to say on the matter.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You're absolutely right!! I knew you were a smart cookie ;) P.S. I'm never leaving .... yippee!! -- Cabbie, 15:50:40 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> There goes that old TnT *High Horse* kicking in. Well, if DBL is JUST AS BAD as KK, etc., then WHY OH WHY is the TnT fanbase so ardently awaiting TnT3????? They should be praying for Todd to die with a stake through his evil evil heart. -- Philosopher, 10:06:01 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> For the same (@*#&*($& reason the B/ters are dying for the Messiah Manning Mass of Forgiveness!! Jeez, Phil!!! -- Cabbie, 10:08:36 05/18/02 Sat

There is NO difference here between the fanbases!! Get off YOUR high horse!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh Cabbie, Please! You all yelled and screeched with disgust about Todd ever since he came back and sloughed off the existence of the troll. How many times have I seen, "I WOULDN'T HAVE THIS TODD FOR OUR GIRL"! Well, you're dying to get Todd for your girl anyway you can. Problem is, he doesn't want your girl! -- Lafaux, 11:08:26 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Lafaux ... -- Cabbie, 11:32:43 05/18/02 Sat

I don't think you're a moron. So I apologize if you're offended by what I wrote (I told you NOT to be one ... not that you WERE one). I was speaking tongue in cheek and was still under the influence of Candy's post where she was referring to some group of people looking like morons.

Anyways ... I'm sort of done here ... I see all the same arguments going back and forth and my opinion is as firmly in place as when I started. NOBODY is in a position to claim some kind of superiority based on the stupid-ass storyline they've been given and based on THEIR interpretation of it. And they definitely cannot claim superiority because "we didn't act like THEY did."

All's well ... carry on :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I don't give a damn who's "morally superior" If I wanted to be "morally superior", then I'd probably find something more worthy to do with my time then yammer about some damn soap opera! Different strokes for different folks, I guess. -- OTWB, 12:29:15 05/18/02 Sat

>I don't think you're a moron. So I apologize if
>you're offended by what I wrote (I told you NOT to be
>one ... not that you WERE one). I was speaking tongue
>in cheek and was still under the influence of Candy's
>post where she was referring to some group of people
>looking like morons.
>
>Anyways ... I'm sort of done here ... I see all the
>same arguments going back and forth and my opinion is
>as firmly in place as when I started. NOBODY is in a
>position to claim some kind of superiority based on
>the stupid-ass storyline they've been given and based
>on THEIR interpretation of it. And they definitely
>cannot claim superiority because "we didn't act like
>THEY did."
>
>All's well ... carry on :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> IA Cabbie... -- Lou, 10:07:02 05/18/02 Sat

It is pointless. When you cut through the bull all Phil just said is that Todd gave the kid away because he LOVED Blair.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Exactly, Lou. -- Cabbie, 10:12:12 05/18/02 Sat

And we're all only going to end up calling each other names.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Borsht circuit routine...Cabbie crys and Lou blows...No need for names, you all know your names too well,Phil wasn't mired in BULL. Todd gave the baby away because it wasn't his. He is a conceited sociopath that we find at all palatable because of the attractive face and unbelievable talent of RH. -- A7, 21:47:41 05/19/02 Sun

Todd regressed with Tehag.....they did not communicate on any level....He tried to find ways to manipulate her, to keep her quiet, keep her IN on the fraud.....did not want to open to her as a partner,,,,,,she flitted from person to person. He found it difficult at all.....Early Todd did and said all the "right" things to GET the girl.... A jock mentality married to repressed anger eventually blew. His early convo with Zach in the cafeteria showed that. With Blair it was the first time he actually LIKED, then LOVED someone who he slept with. With hag, he wnet back to this neanderthal man behaviour....He actually smacked and punched and abused her.
This was very bad.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Matter of fact, when one takes the entire TnT relationship, it is essentially one physical/psychological abuse piled onto the other. Remember the coffin wedding? Remember Rrrrrraaawwwdd? Remember Tommy??? Have you seen any of those bizarre behaviors with T&B???? Nooooooo, because Todd isn't ABUSING Blair. BTW, I'm NOT exculpating Todd for DBL--I'm just saying the MOTIVATIONS were far different. -- Philosopher, 10:03:59 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Yeah, they were very different, but well... that doesn't quite work for this argument, so they choose to ignore it. WTF ever.... he punched her out, cuz she screeched that he'd raped her. I guess she meant it in "metaphorical" terms... unfortunately, Todd didn't speak "metaphorical" and punched her out to shut her up. Who could blame him? I 'd been wanting to punch her out for months, anything for a little peace and quiet!!! He felt bad afterwards though and once TeUGH decided it was "Pete" that did it, then it was all okay. WTF ever... -- OTWB, 11:17:49 05/18/02 Sat

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