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Subject: Some People Don't Belong Author: Elihu Smails [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 18:13:52 04/29/02 Mon In reply to: Dan 's message, "Bucknell versus Bloomsburg" on 10:11:49 04/29/02 Mon The competitive difference is irrelevant. It's all about image. We are division I, so we must play division I. More than one I is too many. Moreover, we must eliminate prolies such as Towson State from our league and our schedule. This is the only way we will be invited to join the Ivy League. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: M [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:47:28 04/29/02 Mon I couldn't agree more. Now if we could only get rid of Fordham, a school that doesn't meet PL academic standards...

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: UND [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:43:52 05/06/02 Mon Get rid of Fordham?? Fordham is a national university when compared to the rest of the PAT league, full of small liberal arts colleges. The school is WELL on par with the rest of the league plus it has good national recongnition.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Ram-Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:03:26 11/12/02 Tue Well, that is a provocative thing to say!. Fordham is a National University with a very diverse student body, powerful alumni and a rich football tradition. If you start to draw some lines at ultimate SATs, someone can come along a draw the cut-off above your school and say yours doesn't belong. Go by Baron's, Fisk, Princeton and Yale guides of the best schools. All the PL schools, including Fordham(sorry to burst your bubble), have always been listed as the best. Towson has never been listed. This is a better way to judge a school's credentials to join. If you only went by SATs, then many New York State schools would qualify as some of them have as high, if not higher SATs than many of the PL schools [by virture of the need to screen high numbers of applicants]. Would Albany and Stony Brook belong in the PL? Instead of Fordham? What do you think? This whole argument is silly.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: JoltinJoe [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:51:35 05/29/03 Thu Student selectivity is only one way to measure the quality of an institution. Perhaps among the PL schools (a select group to begin with), the undergraduate admissions standards are generally higher at schools other than Fordham. But Fordham's standards are still pretty high, and would probably be higher if the school were located in a more desireable area. Let me suggest another measure of quality where Fordham ranks highest. The Gorman Report periodically ranks institutional quality from the perspective of resources: the quality of faculty, the quality of academic resources (library, computer facilities, etc.). Among the PL schools, Fordham has consistently ranked the highest in this report. In the end, I think the responders to the original post are right: Fordham is a great fit for the PL, and is an asset for the league -- and vice versa.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: FU97 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:49:10 11/22/02 Fri Get rid of Fordham? You are dillusional. Get off of your pedestal.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:29:57 08/26/03 Tue Delusional is spelled incorrectly.

[> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Dan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:28:46 04/30/02 Tue I don't entirely disagree. Towson should be out. Duquesne IMHO, would be a nice replacement (in all sports if you ask me) Well, my comments regarding Bloomsburg are simply that at this point both schools only have 10 games scheduled. I know, as an alumni, that Bloomsburg has some talented players including a host of D1 transfers. I think it would be an entertaining game. That being said, I understand your arguments over image, win or lose. However, Bucknell will never join the Ivy League.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Wondering [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:05:16 08/20/02 Tue I wouldn't worry about Bucknell joining the Ivy league, they aren't exactly giving out invitations.

[> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: lafalum [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:19:41 04/30/02 Tue :The Ivies will never add to their league. However, the Patriot league should enforce the Academic Index standards and they could start by making it public. After that, merit aid for the athletes with an academic requirement would make us all more competitive.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Angelo M. Cemoni [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:27:46 08/07/03 Thu Standardized tests shouldnt be a guage for academic prestige. Of course, it is a given that a school's entering class should be elite enough to maintain its scholastic integrity. The level of professionalism brought out of Lehigh University by its graduates is unmatched by most of its peers. If your school were ranked in the nation's top five for producing executives, wouldnt you have a reason to believe that a bid from above is possible? I am not sure if this is true, but it seems to be quite accurate from my experience: I have heard that Lehigh has one of the highest workloads in the nation. Trying to measure ones "workload" is much like trying to measure intelligence with a standardized test or auditing a school through sources that have yet to step into a real lecture. I dont mean to brag and perhaps invoke a sentiment of "penis envy" within my Patriot League brethren (proud to be a patriot leaguer), but when it comes to whipping it out, I believe that Lehigh is the most well endowed of all. Alumni support is phenomenal and the research here is surpassed by very few. Who needs the ivies anyway? I have met and enjoyed the company of people from Harvard, Penn, Princeton, and many of my childhood friends go to Cornell, but for the most part, compared to the Lehighs and the Bucknells (Lafayette Still Sucks), these schools just dont know how to "party". They may be the sharpest tools in the shed, but many of them remain just that: tools. So I urge you Patriot Leaguers to think about where you are. Whether it is in the delapitaded streets of South Bethlehem, in some crack den in Easton (you Leopards need to find new hobbies), or the sleepy little prison town of Lewisburg, you need to realize that we are the future, not some stuffy crimson wearing Bostonian who drops after one cocktail. America was made for Patriots and Patriots make America. We bear the standard and we call all of the shots and the best thing is that we do it all undetected. Now, sadly, I must part as I havent had a wink in about 2 days. If any of you have a rebuttal or would like to bask in sweet patriot league glory with me, feel free to e-mail me (yes, even you appleknockers from Lafayette).

[> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: HC1843 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:36:48 05/02/02 Thu I'm sorry but I need something clarified. Is your statement indicative of a train of thought that Bucknell specifically, or any PL school for that matter, will be invited to join the Ivy League? If so, where did you get this idea from? The school(s) closest to receiving such an invite is (are) Colgate, Navy or Army, period. The latter two would never join, b/c there sports are too important to their tradition. Colgate would go in a heartbeat. I am not slighting Bucknell in any way, as you note I do not think HC, Laf, Leh would get an invite. Just not going to happen in this century. Cheers and I hope you guys announce for bball scholarships soon. This will force the rest of the league to go the scholarship route in bball. I think the HC-Bucknell rivalry will be one of the best in the league with both schools offering scholarships.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Dan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:45:55 05/02/02 Thu Agreed on all scores especially what could be a great rivalry. However, Colgate is far from getting the call if anyone did, that's absurd. They are still playing academic catch up with the rest of the schools in the League the way American is going to have too......Colgate not close..Hell, both of our schools are closer.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Polmolive [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:46:29 05/06/02 Mon USNEWS & WLD REPT., 2002 edition ranks Colgate#17 in academics with Bucknell being ranked #28, Holy Cross #32 and Lafayette #33 Appears that Colgate stands alone,when compared to the clustered 3. Lehigh - in a class by itself. Clearly the primeir inst. of the PAT. League.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:30:26 05/13/02 Mon Where are you getting your information? Only PL school comparable to Colgate in academics is Lehigh.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: HC1843 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:16:14 05/14/02 Tue "Only PL school comparable to Colgate in academics is Lehigh." What an absurd statement but if you believe it then its true at least to you. Cheers.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:05:51 05/14/02 Tue It's much less absurd than the comment by someone else here that Colgate was somewhere down around the level of American. The numbers and objective ratings speak for themselves.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: HC1843 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:15:43 05/15/02 Wed Well whoever made the American comparison was smoking something very strong. I'll give Colgate slightly higher SAT scores but not much else over other PL schools. I also don't agree that Lehigh is a step above HC, BU, Laf. The objective scores do not speak to this as a "fact". Furthermore, the biggest contributor to HC's decline in USNWR from my day (92-96/ranked 23rd) is the increased weighting put on faculty and financial resources, whose affect is vastly overstated. Cheers.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:11:02 05/15/02 Wed I think you guys don't get enough respect because BC is so close by. HC has always been the stronger school; yet BC seems to get some rub-off effect from its growing athletic relationship with ND.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Dan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:28:32 05/15/02 Wed U.S. News and World Report is objective? Whatever. Look, Colgate is fine school and worthy of Pl Membership but using U.S. News and World Report as your gauge is akin to saying someone is smarter based on their SAT score. Arbitrary.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: HC1843 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:04:51 05/15/02 Wed USNWR is not objective but it can not be discounted wholesale either. My point which I think you agree with is that apart from SAT scores, which are only marginally higher than other PL schools, Colgate is not in fact a step above the rest and this implies that Colgate's students are not inherently or matter of factly smarter. Looking at "student selectivity" Colgate is 22nd, HC 25th, Bucknell26th or 28th and Laf 33rd, pretty close if you ask me. Cheers.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Some People Don't Belong Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:26:53 05/13/02 Mon Right you are that we would join the Ivy in a heartbeat, as would anyone else from PL. Advantage Colgate has is that it has played more games against the Ivy League in all sports than any other school in PL, dating back to 1890.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Joining Ivy Author: El Guapo [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:05:39 06/17/02 Mon Ew. I expressly avoided the Ivies because they attract such a snotty group of social-climbing snobs. Please don't try to speak for Colgate as a whole when talking about joining the Ivy League. Can you say "status symbol", "grade inflation", "neglect undergraduates" and "overrated"? I don't really want to get into it but let's agree there's split opinion on the matter.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:17:18 06/17/02 Mon I'm not trying to speak for Colgate and I apologize if I gave that impression. The same debate has gone on for years and there is room for all opinions. Many Colgate Alumni (including many of my classmates) attended Colgate for just the reasons you outlined. It is my own belief, however, that Colgate would affiliate with the Ivy if the opportunity ever came. The lack of unanimity in the PL as to the aid issue, however, spells trouble for Colgate and the PL.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Dan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:30:23 06/20/02 Thu I still think it is presumed arrogance that you would ever get the invitation over say Lehigh or Bucknell based on a U.S. news and world report ranking.......

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:11:30 06/20/02 Thu This has nothing to do with USNWR survey, which in my opinion underrates all of the full PL members. It does have to do with the combination of a non-scholarship policy, academic compatibility, and the fact that Colgate has been a continuing opponent to many Ivy schools in many sports for over a century.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Dan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:14:35 06/21/02 Fri sure.....

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: El Guapo [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:47:57 06/23/02 Sun Lehigh is an engineering school. If they were to change leagues an alliance with RPI and Clarkson and WPI and maybe Carnegie Mellon would make most sense. Whereas Bucknell would be most likely to hook up with Syracuse and any other school willing to wear such a repulsive orange-and-blue combination :D Seriously, though, Colgate HAS been associated with the Ivy League schools since long before there was such a thing as an Ivy League. When I tell people in the North I went to Colgate they either haven't heard of it or think it IS in the Ivy League.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:54:13 06/23/02 Sun In the 30's and 40's, before the Ivy League, New York sportswriter Caswell Adams identified a dozen teams whom he considered to be the "Ivy Group" which ultimatly evolved into the Ivy League. Among the teams were Army, Navy, the present Ivies, Colgate and Rutgers.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Ram-Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:44:27 11/12/02 Tue Hey 'Gate, Here is more complete info on that story about where the Ivy League got it's name from Coswell Adams. Adams was asked on a RADIO PROGRAM if he felt Columbia, Harvard, Yale and Princeton could compete with powers such as Fordham, Nortre Dame and Pittsburg ( then, national powers). His response was "Oh, those schools are IV league, not on the same level of play". He said the Letters I V which sounded like "Ivy". As there were three divisions, Adams was saying they were a notch below. That is what happened. Funny how things change!

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Tim Carson [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:57:26 03/24/03 Mon Recently I heard that the Ivy League asked Lehigh University to become part of the league. Lehigh sports programs are capable of competing and the academics are rising. Is there any truth to what I heard?

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Ram-Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:49:11 11/12/02 Tue On may posts, including that of Towson's, I see negative references to the PL as the Ivy wanna bees, the Primadonna League, Snobs-r-us, etc. Now this whole moot line of argument pitts a false sense of smug superiority over one another. Colgate should be Ivy? No, Bucknell would be invited, No no! Lehigh and LC should be before Bucknell and Colgate....etc. ad nausium. There was even a line here about dropping Fordham next. News flash: the ancient eight don't want to make it the nifty nine or the terrific ten. Ask any of the Ivies and NONE of the PL members are good enough to join their little smug group. IMHO, the only PL member who can come close is the newest member,Georgetown and they would NEVER get this make-believe invitation becasue they are a(gasp!) Catholic-Jesuit school! (anyone here know of the media contraversy of what Columbia said at the Fordham-Columbia game?) Judging by this whole line of postings, perhaps the negative statements about the PL have merit. Perhaps the PL are snobbs after all. Did Towson belong?, no, they did not. They are a big commuter state school with no tradition and mediocre standards. But now we have people saying "My school's better than your school". What next? Better get rid of Fordham and American...just not like us. Oh! lets get rid of all those Jesuit schools! like HC and Georgetown! And while we are at it, Bucknell is on the SAT bubble..lets cut them. And then we can dump......... All I can say is, I hope no one from the PL administration sees this whole sorry posting. I was very glad when Fordham was invited to join in '88. The PL is a class league. Lets keep it that way.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: Tim Michels [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:45:45 03/24/03 Mon Recently I heard that the Ivy League was inviting Lehigh or Bucknell into the league. Both schools are challenging and ranked highly with US NEWS. What is your take on the situation? Is there any truth here?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy- Bucknell or Lehigh? Yeah, I think I read it in Mad Magazine Author: FC1841 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:19:39 04/09/03 Wed Lehigh or Bucknell joining the Ivy League? .

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy- Bucknell or Lehigh? Yeah, I think I read it in Mad Magazine Author: FC1841 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:20:43 04/09/03 Wed

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Joining Ivy Author: HCsader07 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:00:54 09/21/03 Sun keep dreaming, and it is a little pathetic that all you can talk about on your message boards is the ivy league. There is little need for the ivy league to expand, and I havent heard a real reason for the ivy presidents to want to invite leheigh, colgate, or bucknell. The PL is fine without them. To attract students on an ivy league level we need to dinstinguish ourselves as different from the ivy league, not as a lesser version of the same thing.

[> [> [> [> Subject: look at the appropriate USNWR list- national schools- where all the real Ivies are found Author: thebin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:44:48 10/27/02 Sun after all that USNWR rankings quoting- how did it escape you all that Gtown is the only school ranked in the national schools top 25- where ALL 8 IVIES are also to be found? THis seems highly relavant to me when talking about which PL school most resembles an Ivy. ALso, if you believe, as HC 1846 does, that financial resources are overdone in the rankings- then GU would probably be ranked about 14-18 range rather than in low twenties. In 1993, before endowment was weighed more heavily, GU was ranked at #17 in the nation right near Cornell and Brown.

[> [> [> Subject: USN&WR: ACTUAL rankings Author: Saderman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:15:36 06/09/03 Mon Here are the overall results for 2003 (USNA AND USMA are not included): National Colleges: #18 Colgate (plus 2 others) #26 Holy Cross #29 Bucknell and Lafayette National Universities: #24 Georgetown #40 Lehigh (plus 2 others) "Tier 2" (#52-#129) American and Fordham The 2004 rankings will be available in August.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: USN&WR: ACTUAL rankings Author: JoltinJoe [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:45:12 09/20/03 Sat Hey, US News did not numerically rank national universities beyond 50. After the top 50, the universities are listed alphabetically. That's why "American" was listed 52nd, and "Fordham" was listed 124th. As you were counting down to see where Fordham was listed, didn't you notice that, quite remarkably, the schools were "ranked" precisely in alphabetical order? What a coincidence!

[> [> Subject: Gtown is only Pl football school close to Ivy in rep/size... Author: thebin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:35:07 10/27/02 Sun How can you guys talk this long about PL football teams being asked to join the Ivies and not even mention Georgetown once? I agree- nobody is being invited to the Ivies- certainly not Army and NAvy- the Ivies are schools that are chock full of people (in high places) who detest the military. So this argument is very academic. Given that though, GU is clearly the school most similar to Ivies in size, scope of grad schools, selectivity (it has lower accemptance rate than several Ivies) and in national name recognition. Its like you guys were ignoring a pink elephant in the room.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Gtown is only Pl football school close to Ivy in rep/size... Author: cigars [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:36:09 10/28/02 Mon You are the one who cannot see the pink elephant in your room!!! GU recruits prop 48,full scholarship basketball players who don't graduate and go early to the NBA. This is unacceptable to the Ivies.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Gtown is only Pl football school close to Ivy in rep/size... Author: thebin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:13:21 10/28/02 Mon Nobody is joining the Ivy. But if an invitation were to be made- it would be more likely to be made to GU- contingent upon modifications in the hoops program- than to Colgate- a small school with a good but not excellant academic reputation and no graduate schools. GU is far more selective than any other PL school, has higher academic averages, has a national reputation, and is the only one that looks at all like an Ivy in terms of graduate/research capabilities. Probably why it is ranked with the Ivies on the USNWR top 25 national universities list while almost all PL schools are on the liberal arts list. GU's hoop program could have its wings clipped pretty quickly- what Colgate needs to do to be Ivy ready would take 50 years and hundreds of millions of dollars. By the way, Iverson was the first Hoya ever to leave early for NBA- and the last that I can think of. Throughout the 1980s- when GU was the dominant national powerhouse- not one player ever left early- and Thompson was famous for making his players graduate.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Gtown is only Pl football school close to Ivy in rep/size... Author: cigars [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:17:28 10/28/02 Mon Will Iverson serve prison time? Is that Ivy, big boy???

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Gtown is only Pl football school close to Ivy in rep/size... Author: thebin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:10:31 10/28/02 Mon Oh. I see, did not realize I was talking to a child. Nevermind. You are pure class and intelligence. I am speechless at your intellect.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The Ivy League isn't taking new members Author: Where did Georgetown find you, genius? [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:48:10 11/02/02 Sat

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Actually, the Ivy League charter prohibits Catholic schools Author: Ivy Watcher [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:47:05 04/05/04 Mon

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Is the Ivy League charter anywhere on-line? Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:13:06 04/13/04 Tue

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: No Author: it isn't [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:16:56 06/28/04 Mon

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Colgate Good but not Excellent? Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:06:46 11/10/02 Sun I'll respectfully and strongly, disagree with you on this one, thebin.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Colgate Good but not Excellent (follow-up) Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:37:15 11/10/02 Sun That US News stuff is Johnny-Come-Lately. Take a look at Petersen's, Barron's and the Princeton Review. Seems like this argument with GU vs. the rest of the PL will go on forever.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Colgate Good but not Excellent (follow-up) Author: Ram-Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:41:51 11/12/02 Tue I agree with you here 'gate, as I said in an earlier posting, the college guides of the best schools are a much better indicator of a school's qualifications than just SATs. I am guiding my son to look at PL schools over Ivy when he is ready. I would not want him to read this posting. Who will be more successful in life? the student who gets a 4.0 from a PL school, or the sdudent who gets a 1.9 from an Ivy school, but got in because his/her rich parents are alums? FYI, I spent my freshman year at Columbia, hated it, and transfered to Fordham where I received a great education and got personal attention. Law school and a master's followed. Many would argue that I stepped down, but you get out of life what you put into it. This whole "my school is better than your school" line is a discredit to the very schools we attended. Keep the rivalry friendly and on the field and give the school-yard bravado to our age-appropriate kids.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Agree with you 100% Author: Go...'gate [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:13:16 11/13/02 Wed Let's face it, it's what one DOES with a fine education which is the ultimate determinant. Once you ean the right to get the education, you have to make the most of the opportunity. Good luck against Towson.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Agree with you 100% Author: Ram-Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:19:05 11/14/02 Thu You are a class act "go....'gate. I wished the others on this posting who argue over which school is better, smarter, more Ivy league etc. would have your balanced view of reality. I look forward to showing my son Colgate's beautiful campus in a couple of years, knowing what a fine education he would receive there over any Ivy school. It would be great to see at least two PL schools make the playoffs! Fordham, Colgate or Lehigh would all be good! Go 'gate!

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Agree with you 100% Author: FU97 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:41:17 11/22/02 Fri Everybody should leave their USN & other stat books at home. They are not completely objective, and nobody in the real world memorizes the specifics anyway. I live in the Midwest (far away from the location of the PL schools). I can say that on a day to day basis, when the subject comes up in conversation out here, people have equal and tremendous respect for Fordham, HC, as well as the other Patriot League schools. I think that is what matters most, not what some league table says. I've never heard anybody question the association of one school with the rest. (except for Towson!!)

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 7 months, 40 responses--I am Troll of the Year! Author: Elihu Smails [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:25:22 11/25/02 Mon

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 7 months, 40 responses--I am Troll of the Year! Author: FU97 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:07:14 10/18/03 Sat Stars nackt Armut Stars nackt Bilder

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: 7 months, 40 responses--I am Troll of the Year! Author: Elihu Smails [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:27:26 11/25/02 Mon

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 7 months, 40 responses--I am Troll of the Year! Author: Ram-Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:26:02 12/04/02 Wed Yup...you are a troll....plus a lot of other names I prefer not to use on this board as I like most Bucknellians.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 7 months, 40 responses--I am Troll of the Year! Author: Ram-Ray [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:52:25 12/04/02 Wed Elihu, I owe you a big apology!!!! I misread the stream and thought you were M, who is the person I have an issue with: he said Fordham should be removed from the PL along with Towson as per your suggestion. Again, sorry.

[> [> [> Subject: GEORGETOWN IS A CREDENTIALS FACTORY Author: US news [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:55:18 02/10/03 Mon