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"educate yourself " -- Anonymous, 04:24:32 09/24/01 Mon

Women in Afganastan are forbidden to work outside the home. They are denied education as well, only boys go to school. Girls are taught in secret if at all. That is what Bin Laden's group is enforcing on the Afgan people, and that is what they would want all over the middle east. And you talk about educating ourselves. What a joke!


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I know not all islamics are arab -- Anonymous, 04:18:57 09/24/01 Mon

but the fact the the US supports Isreal is a major reasons we are hated by some middle eastern people, that's the reason I used "Palestinians." Most of the terrorists are people who want Isreal out of the middle east. Some Palestinians were celebrating in the street when they heard about the attacks. How can we be expected to sympathise with people who hate us. I don't want innocent people to get hurt, and I think the USA intends to avoid civilian casualties. Because that would be what Bin Laden wants. I'm getting really tired of the USA getting blamed for the attacks on Sept 11.


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heart -> home -> city -> country -> planet. -- Anonymous, 17:18:39 09/23/01 Sun


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is this love -- Anonymous, 18:02:28 09/22/01 Sat

is this love is this love is this love that i'm feeling?


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E-D-U-C-A-T-I-O-N -- Anonymous, 17:24:19 09/22/01 Sat

educate yourself 16:47:42 09/22/01


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i like -- Anonymous, 17:22:20 09/22/01 Sat

greeks


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Tell GWB!!! -- Anonymous, 17:18:41 09/22/01 Sat

Tell him now.


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thus -- Anonymous, 17:18:24 09/22/01 Sat

falls rome. bye.


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is it so hard to admit when you've done the wrong thing -- Anonymous, 17:17:20 09/22/01 Sat

and change or would you rather others showed you by pummelling your head into the ground? your choice america.


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america -- Anonymous, 17:17:11 09/22/01 Sat

does run other people's affairs. because it can. blame the un. blame basic human avarice. (and yes, i wish we'd mind our own damned business, too.)


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time for america to understand it cannot run other people's affairs -- Anonymous, 17:15:00 09/22/01 Sat

as it sees fit. accept responsibility and change instead of taking the world to war.


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excuse me, but: -- Anonymous, 17:09:47 09/22/01 Sat

israelis. palestinians are islamic. arabs are a collective group of tribes, similar to the native americans. arabs are not necessarily islamic. palestinians are not arabic, any moreso than israelis are arabic. (different tribal group base.) i got the point of your statement, sort of, but i really can't see the connection between arabic restraint and sympathy for the palestinians. kind of like saying if the americans would attempt to control themselves, the middle east would develop a higher opinion of greeks.


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and they would be -- Anonymous, 17:04:21 09/22/01 Sat

your last words on the subject?


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When Isrealis -- Anonymous, 16:47:42 09/22/01 Sat

kill thousand of civilians in a single attack outside the middle east, and Arabs limit their attacks to military targets within the middle east, is when the Palestinians will get more sympathy from Americans.


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nice to see those new yorkers out in the streets last night, btw. -- Anonymous, 07:45:19 09/22/01 Sat


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The American Government is not innocent. -- Anonymous, 07:34:38 09/22/01 Sat

time for the people of America to join the rest of the world in knowing that. that's democracy. the american government has reigned with terror in central and south america, in indonesia, in iran and iraq for no good reason except it's own self-interest in being big, fat and powerful. there's a lot of pissed of people out there guys. sorry you had to find out about it the hard way but it seems you're not really interested in the world outside of america.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:31:51 09/22/01 Sat

We are supposed to hold our tongues, even when Ariel Sharon - a man whose name will always be associated with the massacres at Sabra and Shatila - announces that Israel also wishes to join the battle against "world terror."

No wonder the Palestinians are fearful.

I repeat: what happened in New York was a crime against humanity. And that means policemen, arrests, justice, a whole new international court at The Hague if necessary. Not cruise missiles and "precision" bombs and Muslim lives lost in revenge for Western lives.

But the trap has been sprung. Bush is now walking into it - and perhaps his allies too.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:28:29 09/22/01 Sat

Every effort will be made in the coming days to switch off the "why" question and concentrate on the who, what and how. No wonder we have to refer to the terrorists as "mindless". For if we did not, we would have to explain what went on in those minds. But this attempt to censor the realities of the war that has already begun must not be permitted to continue.

Look at the logic. Colin Powell was insisting last week that his message to the Taliban is simple: they have to take responsibility for sheltering Osama bin Laden. "You cannot separate your activities from the activities of the perpetrators," he warned. But the Americans absolutely refuse to associate their own response to their predicament with their activities in the Middle East.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:24:23 09/22/01 Sat

The same type of missile - this time an AGM 114-C made in Georgia - was fired by the Israelis into the back of an ambulance near the Lebanese village of Mansori, killing two women and four children. I collected the pieces of the missile, including its computer coding plate, flew to Georgia and presented them to the manufactureres at the Boeing factory.

And what did the missile's developer say when I showed him photographs of the children the missile had killed?
What ever you do, " he told me "don't quote me as saying anything critical of the policies of Israel."

I'm sure the father of those children will have been appalled by last week's events, but I don't suppose, given the fate of his own children - that he was in the mood to send condolences to anyone.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:20:36 09/22/01 Sat

America's name is literally stamped on the missiles fired by Israel into Palestinian buldings in Gaza and the West bank. Only four weeks ago, I identified one as an AGM 114-D air-to-ground rocket made by Boeing and Lockheed-Martin at their factory in Florida, the state where some of the suiciders learned to fly.

It was fired from an Apache helicopter (made in America) during the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon when hundreds of cluster bombs were dropped in civilian areas of Beirut by the Israelis in contravention of undertakings given to the US. Most of the boms had US naval markings and America then suspended a shiptment of fighter bombers to Israel for less than two months.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:17:04 09/22/01 Sat

But America's failure to act with honour in the Middle East, it's promiscuous sales of missiles to those who use them against civilians, its blithe disregard for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi children under sanctions of which Washington is the principal supporter - all these are intimately related to the society that produced the Arabs that plunged America into an apocalypse of fire last week.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:14:56 09/22/01 Sat

Yet I do not remember any vigils or memorial services or candle-lighting in America or the West for the innocent dead of Lebanon; I don't recall any stirring speeches about democracy or liberty. IN fact, my memory is that the US spent most of the bloody months of July and August 1982 calling for "restraint".

No, Israel is not to blame for what happened last week. The culprits were Arabs, not Israelis.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:12:19 09/22/01 Sat

No, it is "our" democracy and "our" liberty and freedom that Bush is talking about, our Western sanctuary that is under attack, not the vast place of terror and injustice that the Middle East has become.

Let me illustrate what I mean. Nineteen years ago today, the greatest act of terrorism - using Israel's own definition of that much misused word - in modern Middle Eastern history began. On 16th September 1982 Israel's Phalangist militia allies started the three day orgy of rape and murder and knifing in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives.

It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon - desinged to drive the Palestinian Liberation Organisation out of the country and given the green light by the then US Secretary of State Alexander Haig - which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:08:12 09/22/01 Sat

Instead they get a president who wins 98 per cent in the elections (Washington's friend Hosni Murarak) or a Palestinian police force, trained by the CIA, that tortures and sometimes kills people in prisons.

The Syrians would also like a little of that democracy. So would the Saudis. But their effete princes are all friends of America.

I will always remember how Clinton announced that Saddam Hussein - another of the West's grotesque inventions - must be overthrown so that the people of Iraq could choose their own leader. But if that happened, it would be the first time in Middle Eastern history that Arabs have been permitted to do so.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:04:51 09/22/01 Sat

"America was targeted for attack," Bush informed us last week "because we are the brightest beacon of freedom and opportunity in the world."

But this is not why Anerica was attacked. If this was an Arab-Muslim apocalypse, then it is intimately associated with events in the Middle East and with America's stewardship of the area. Arabs, it might be added, would rather like some of that democracy and liberty and freedom that Bush has been telling them about.


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continued -- Anonymous, 07:02:40 09/22/01 Sat

Vladimir Putin must surely have a sense of humour to appreciate the curel ironies that have come to pass, though I doubt if he will let Bush know what happens when you start a war of retaliation; your army, like the Russian forces in Chechnya, becomes locked into a battle with an enemy that appears ever more ruthless.

In Israel/Palestine it is the same story. An Israeli soldier shoots a Palestinian stone thrower. The Palestinians retaliate by killing a settler. The Israelis then retaliate by sending a murder squad to kill a Palestinian gunman. The Patestinians retaliate by sending a suicide bomber into a pizzeria. The Israelis then retaliate by sending F-16s to bomb a Palestinian police station. Retaliation leads to retaliation and more retaliation. War without end.


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continued... -- Anonymous, 06:58:17 09/22/01 Sat

Bin Laden is unsophisticated in foreign affairs but a close student of the art and horror of war. He knew how to fight the Russians who stayed on in Afghanistan, a Russian moster that revented itself upong its ill-educated, courageous antagonists until, faced with war without end, the entire Soviet Union began to fall apart.

The Chechens learned this lesson. And the man responsible for so much of the bloodbath in Chechnya - the career KGB man whose army is raping and murdering the insurgent Sunni Muslim population of Chechnya - is now being signed up by Bush for his "war against people."


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The Sydney Morning Herald Saturday 22nd September 2001. -- Anonymous, 06:55:02 09/22/01 Sat

BUSH IS MARCHING STRAIGHT INTO BIN LADEN'S TRAP by Robert Fisk - British jounrnalist - US Foreign Policy expert.

Retaliation is a trap. In a world that was supposed to have learned that the rule of law comes above revenge, George Bush appears to be heading for the very disaster that Osama bin Laden has laid down for him.

Let us have no doubts about what happened in New York and Washington last week. It was a crime against humanity. We cannot understand Anerica's need to retaliate unless we accept this bleak, awesome fact. But this crime was perpetrated - it becomes ever clearer - to provoke the United States into just that blind, arrogant punch that the Pentagon in preparing.

Bin Laden has described to me how he wishes to overthrow the pro-American regimes of the Middle East, starting with Saudi Arabia and moving on to Egypt, Jordan and the other Gulf states. In an Arab world sunk in corruption and dictatorships - most of them supported by the West - the only act taht might bring Muslims to strike at their own leaders would be a brutal, indiscriminate assault by the US.


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how? -- Anonymous, 18:20:19 09/21/01 Fri


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shelter from the (desert) storm -- Anonymous, 11:45:24 09/21/01 Fri

or the infinite justice. it's all the same.


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yes -- Anonymous, 10:16:30 09/21/01 Fri

-- Anonymous, 05:39:42 09/21/01 Fri
At some ideas you stand perplexed, especially at the sight of human
sins, uncertain whether to combat it by force or by human love. Always
decide, 'I will combat it with human love.' If you make up your mind
about that once and for all,
you can conquer the whole world. Loving humility is a terrible force; it
is the strongest of all things and there is nothing like it."
-- Fyodor Dostoyevsky


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all yours -- Anonymous, 09:47:24 09/21/01 Fri


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gimme shelter -- Anonymous, 09:40:57 09/21/01 Fri

or i'm gonna fade away.


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this can be our oasis -- Anonymous, 09:29:35 09/21/01 Fri


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counter posts? -- Anonymous, 09:28:01 09/21/01 Fri

anytime loverlee


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lol! -- Anonymous, 09:23:51 09/21/01 Fri


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shrunkle~~~# -- Anonymous, 09:22:17 09/21/01 Fri


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sorry -- Anonymous, 09:20:50 09/21/01 Fri

got booted


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oops -- Anonymous, 09:19:50 09/21/01 Fri

sorry


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say it again -- Anonymous, 09:18:24 09/21/01 Fri

huh


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war -- Anonymous, 09:17:17 09/21/01 Fri


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counter post -- Anonymous, 09:16:06 09/21/01 Fri


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nothing -- Anonymous, 09:15:06 09/21/01 Fri


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shrunkle~~~!!! -- Anonymous, 09:14:02 09/21/01 Fri


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absolutely -- Anonymous, 09:12:57 09/21/01 Fri


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counter post -- Anonymous, 09:11:38 09/21/01 Fri


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bwaa! -- Anonymous, 09:10:27 09/21/01 Fri

war what is it good for?


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counter-post -- Anonymous, 09:09:11 09/21/01 Fri


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shrunkle~~~~ -- Anonymous, 09:07:00 09/21/01 Fri

come back


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i speak for me you speak for you they speak for they. there is no mob mentality here just -- Anonymous, 09:05:35 09/21/01 Fri

(quiet people)
LOUD PEOPLE!!!
& In Between People


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shrunkle~~byebye~~~~~~`~`~~~```~~~~"-~ -- Anonymous, 08:54:48 09/21/01 Fri


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shrunkle~~~~~~ -- Anonymous, 08:53:23 09/21/01 Fri


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one thing of which i have been reminded -- Anonymous, 08:41:51 09/21/01 Fri

over the past couple of weeks is that those who speak loudest rarely represent the whole. the counter-posts are lovely and much appreciated. thank you.


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food is our friend. -- Anonymous, 08:30:51 09/21/01 Fri

ahimsa...the only thing of any real value.


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time for food -- Anonymous, 05:53:11 09/21/01 Fri

food is good


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i know nearly all of you who come here know this and -- Anonymous, 05:46:29 09/21/01 Fri

if anyone needs to learn it it's me. i just needed to put it here. i've just read so many posts in the last week by americans blinded by hurt and fear and raging to violence that i had to respond somewhere.


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... -- Anonymous, 05:42:01 09/21/01 Fri

"I hope...that mankind will at length, as they call themselves reasonable creatures, have reason and sense enough to settle their differences without cutting throats;
for in my opinion there never was a good war, or a bad peace."
-- Benjamin Franklin


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ditto -- Anonymous, 05:40:55 09/21/01 Fri

Non-violence leads to the highest ethics,
which is the goal of all evolution.
Until we stop harming all other living beings,
we are still savages."
-- Thomas Edison


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and here -- Anonymous, 05:39:42 09/21/01 Fri

At some ideas you stand perplexed, especially at the sight of human sins, uncertain whether to combat it by force or by human love. Always decide, 'I will combat it with human love.' If you make up your mind about that once and for all,
you can conquer the whole world. Loving humility is a terrible force; it is the strongest of all things and there is nothing like it."
-- Fyodor Dostoyevsky


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and here -- Anonymous, 05:38:41 09/21/01 Fri

"Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit.
You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.


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and here -- Anonymous, 05:37:00 09/21/01 Fri

he pioneers of a warless world
are the young men (and women)
who refuse military service."
-- Albert Einstein


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and here -- Anonymous, 05:35:45 09/21/01 Fri

"To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists
in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
-- Sun Tzu


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and here -- Anonymous, 05:33:50 09/21/01 Fri

"Peace is a daily, a weekly, a monthly process,
gradually changing opinions,
slowly eroding old barriers,
quietly building new structures."
-- John F. Kennedy


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here -- Anonymous, 05:32:06 09/21/01 Fri

"And they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
and their spears into pruninghooks:
nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war any more."
-- The Bible


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this is something i admire and strive towards though am still far from succeeding. is it so bad? -- Anonymous, 05:28:15 09/21/01 Fri


My Religion is kindness.
----- The Dali Lama

Non-Harming,-- Ahimsa
A friend came back after several years in Nepal and India in
1973 and said of himself, "If I can't do anything useful, at least I would like to do as little harm as possible."
I guess you can bring back all sorts of communicable things
from distant parts if you're not careful.  I was infected with the idea of ahimsa right then and there in my living room, and I have never forgotten the moment it happened. I had heard it before.

The attitude of non-harming lies at the heart of yoga practice and of the Hippocratic Oath. It was the underlying principle of Gandhi's revolution  and of his personal meditation practice.  But there was something about he sincerity with which my friend made his comment, coupled with he incongruity of the person I thought I knew saying it, that impressed me.  It stuck me as a good way to relate to the world and to oneself.  Why not try to live so as to cause as little damage and suffering as possible?  

If we lived that way, we wouldn't have the insane levels of
violence that dominate our lives and our thinking today. And we would be more generous toward ourselves as well, on the
meditation cushion and off it.  

Like any other view, non-harming may be a terrific principle, but it's the living of it that counts. You can start practicing ahimsa's gentleness on yourself and in your life with others in any moment.

Do you sometimes find that you are hard on yourself and put
yourself down?  Remember ahimsa in that moment.  Se it and let it go.  

Do you talk about others behind their backs?  Ahimsa.

Do you push yourself beyond your limits with no regard for
your body and your well being?  Ahimsa.

Do you cause other people pain or grief?  Ahimsa.  It is easy to relate with ahimsa to someone who doesn't threaten you. The test is in how you will relate to a person or situation when you do feel threatened.

The willingness to harm or hurt comes ultimately our of fear.

Non-harming requires that you see your own fears and that you understand them and own them.  Owning them means taking
responsibility for them.  Taking responsibility means not letting fear completely dictate your vision or your view. ONly mindfulness of our own clinging and rejecting, and a willingness to grapple with these mind states, however painful the encounter, can free us from the circle of suffering.  Without a daily embodiment in practice, lofty ideals tend to succumb to self-interest.

------Jon Kabat-Zinn

Wherever You Go There You Are


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australia says: -- Anonymous, 05:08:11 09/21/01 Fri

george we think you're terrrrrificc and your speech was just brilliant and we will and have turned over the leadership of our country unto you. take our young men and do with them what you will, george, because *we* believe in *you*. we will *not* interfere.


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give quietly -- Anonymous, 05:05:10 09/21/01 Fri

do not whip your country up into a bloodlust lather of stars and stripes patriotism. your flag surely belongs to jefferson and thoreux and whitman and ginsberg and emerson and martin luther king. are these men not as representative of your country as bush and nixon and reagan? are they NOT???


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okay so this concert that's going on tomorrow -- Anonymous, 04:59:28 09/21/01 Fri

are REM taking part? i hope not.


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wnat more? i can give you lots more. -- Anonymous, 04:52:51 09/21/01 Fri


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amusing myself -- Anonymous, 04:43:57 09/21/01 Fri

you understand


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yes i am *wholly* drunk -- Anonymous, 04:42:53 09/21/01 Fri

nnanananaananananaPUPPET MAN!!!!!!!!!!
dananananananananaPUPPET MAAAN
dananananananana
dananananananana
PUPPET MAN!!!
PUPPET MAN!!!
PUPPET MAN!!!

dananananananana
PUPPET MANNNNN!!!!


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as in -- Anonymous, 04:39:56 09/21/01 Fri

hey now young wholly swing along


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that's wholly -- Anonymous, 04:38:34 09/21/01 Fri

not woolly


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welcome muslim terrorists -- Anonymous, 04:37:34 09/21/01 Fri

welcome! take whatever it is you desire. take our children and our women kill our men and rape our cities if it makes you feel one little bit better about your lot in the world. maybe if you feel a little bit better you won't bomb the fuck out of anyone else. i hereby lay down in the name of peace (oh! how dramatic i *love* it!).

this is wholly fucked (understatement of the year).


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guess what!?! -- Anonymous, 04:34:42 09/21/01 Fri

binladentrainingcamps in malaysia.

malaysia here ----*
australia here -----*

october 6-9 commonwealth heads of government meeting in brisbane inc. queenie liz 2 and tony blair amongst 52 others inc. pakistan!

hooray!!!


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this mess we're in -- Anonymous, 17:29:59 09/20/01 Thu

Can you hear them?
The helicopters
I'm in New York
No need for words now
We sit in silence
You look me in the eye directly
You met me
I think it's Wednesday, the evening
The mess we're in and

The city sun set over me

Night and day
I dream of making love to you now, baby
Love making on screen
Impossible dream
And I have seen the sun rise over the river
The freeway reminded of
This mess we're in and

The city sun set over me

What were you wanting?
I just wanna say don't ever change now baby
And thank you, I don't think we will meet again
And you must leave now
Before the sun rises
Above skyscrapers
Sin

What was it you wanted?

I just wanna say don't ever change
And thank you, I don't think we will meet again
And we must leave now
Before the sun rises over the skyscrapers
And the city landscape comes into being
Sweat on my skin, oh
This mess we're in and

The city sun set over me


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god is an american -- Anonymous, 13:01:00 09/20/01 Thu

johnny's in america
lowtechs at the wheel
nobody needs anyone
they don't even just pretend

johnny's in america

i'm afraid of americans

johnny's in america
johnny wants a brain
johnny wants to suck on a coke
johnny wants a woman
johnny wants to think of a joke

johnny's in america

i'm afraid of americans

johnny's in america
johnny looks up at the stars
johnny combs his hair
and johnny wants pussy in cars

johnny's in america
johnny's in america

i'm afraid of americans

god is an american
god is an american

i'm afraid of americans
i'm afraid of the world
i'm afraid i can't help it
i'm afraid i can't

i'm afraid of americans

johnny's an american
johnny's an american


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scary -- Anonymous, 10:05:55 09/20/01 Thu


"I fear that all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant, and filled it with a desire for vengeance."
-Adm. Yamamoto, after the attack on Pearl Harbor


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who wrote iamai? -- Anonymous, 08:24:29 09/20/01 Thu

steven joshua. you should mail him, if you like the work. he enjoys feedback.


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who wrote iamai? -- Anonymous, 01:52:21 09/20/01 Thu

brilliant!


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bye bye miss american pie -- Anonymous, 01:17:46 09/20/01 Thu


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oh ok -- Anonymous, 17:48:43 09/19/01 Wed

i remember one


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just another handout -- Anonymous, 17:41:33 09/19/01 Wed

excuse me but when was the first?


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it's good but like a vertical cliff -- Anonymous, 16:43:15 09/19/01 Wed

i'm not *that* smart. is that Jeannie the one who died?


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IAMAI -- Anonymous, 08:55:38 09/19/01 Wed

glad you like the site. it's got good stuffs.


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thank you -- Anonymous, 04:25:03 09/19/01 Wed


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oh shit -- Anonymous, 04:23:49 09/19/01 Wed

is that the sound of a penny dropping?


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this is from that IAMAI page. -- Anonymous, 04:20:35 09/19/01 Wed

Love is defined as an ageless or eternal selfless state which is intrinsically not exclusive. This is very important: Love is intrinsically **non-exclusive**. It reaffirms the concept of 'the whole'.


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he has made me rage seethe and cry like a child -- Anonymous, 04:08:49 09/19/01 Wed

again. and then i realise and i feel ashamed of my childish ways. i'm pathetic really. its a hard thing to fight- needing people emotionally. the rotten core of any fruit. i see where he's taking me: - not needing anyone, not possessing anyone, not demanding anything from anyone and loving everyone because they act in ways perfectly according to their own individual natures. and their natures are theirs, i don't have to participate in them. if they tried to force me to i would walk away, too. being free.

intellectually i understand but getting the emotion in check is another thing altogether and i just keep failing and failing and falling. and each time i fail i want to die. and then it passes. feeling sorry for myself, feeling like a hug, wanting someone to say, you're okay, you're fine. to dwell on the lack of these things is weakness apparently because it can drag you down. the desire for comfort and love and someone to hold you during a long dark night - all weakness if dwelt on too long when they are absent. so here's me standing on shifting sands turning to someone and having them step just out of reach. over and over. it reminds me a child being taught to walk. how's that for a fucked up image. yet i can't stop reaching out. i can't stop emotionally being hurt when they step away. it feels like betrayal. it feels like alone. i want nothing more than a few minutes of companionship, of chat and comeraderie, of solace that i do not exist alone. all of that is weakness apparently and he wants me to learn to stand on my own two feet. and i can and i do to some degrees more than others. but he's right. it took me 7 years to get over my ex. seven years because i couldn't walk on my own because i constantly looked for someone to 'rescue' me. i am so thoroughly ashamed. so now i have to get over needing people. i need to do that, but the price is awful. it hurts and it hurts and it hurts. it's like trying to root out something fundamental inside me. like ripping out a vital organ. i wonder if it will ever stop. the only reason i go through this is because i know that it is all underpinned by great and high love. that is the only reason. i trust you.

well, i feel better now. thanks for reading.


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michael -- Anonymous, 03:47:04 09/19/01 Wed

took it upon himself to refine all of our sensibilities. no one ever asked him to.


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ha! no less. -- Anonymous, 02:56:01 09/19/01 Wed


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with a whip and a chair no less -- Anonymous, 00:26:05 09/19/01 Wed


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what? -- Anonymous, 23:53:27 09/18/01 Tue


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smile -- Anonymous, 23:52:54 09/18/01 Tue

another R.E.M. quote. look to michael to refine your sensibilities.


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don't explain -- Anonymous, 23:51:29 09/18/01 Tue

i'm sure i'll want to know. okokokOK.ok. zeus ;)


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sensibilities and all that. -- Anonymous, 23:25:45 09/18/01 Tue

i need this.


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i'd rather learn by experience thanks though -- Anonymous, 23:23:17 09/18/01 Tue


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huh? -- Anonymous, 22:33:27 09/18/01 Tue


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just another handout -- Anonymous, 22:08:16 09/18/01 Tue


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jumpstart -- Anonymous, 20:34:30 09/18/01 Tue

right up your alley


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cool site: -- Anonymous, 14:07:05 09/18/01 Tue

http://www.i-am-a-i.org/


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