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Subject: Re: Pan's Labyrinth

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Mr. Bungle

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Date Posted: 10:47:56 10/01/07 Mon
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In reply to: Kylopod 's message, "Re: Pan's Labyrinth" on 14:51:44 09/22/07 Sat

>> I think she just wanted to make sure her child grew
>>up on the winning side.
>
>Are you serious?

Sure. Regardless of how they wound up together (your radical theory really doesn't seem so far fetched considering the state of womens rights at the time, in patriarchal Spain no less) I can only imagine she would do whatever it takes to assure he children's future, no matter how unpalatable.

My most radical theory was that he
>murdered the father and raped the mother. Or perhaps
>he simply seduced her. She seems to hint at a time
>when he was good to her, but since we never see his
>charming side, it's hard for us to imagine that he
>ever had one.
>

>What would he have to do or be like in order for you
>to consider him evil?

I admit the distinction is a narrow one, but the fact is it's war. One might consider that to be Nuremberg Defense bullshit, but the fact is even the "good guys" have to pull some malevolent shit to get the job done. Like I said, evil (to me at least) has somewhat of a supernatural connotation.

>>He's convinced he's right.
>
>So was Hitler.
>

Hitler was also investigating somewhat supernatural methods while waging the war, was he not? The Capitan, if anything, seems spiritually bereft.

>>He's got a job to do, and he thinks he's acting in the
>>best interests of the country
>
>He seems to enjoy seeing people suffer. He isn't just
>"doing his job." Of course, any job that involves
>shooting little girls dead would usually be considered
>"evil," regardless of the motive.
>
>>I think this makes him more unnerving and
>>dangerous, because evil has supernatural connotations
>
>It does?
>
The way guys like Bush or Hitler see it, their view of evil is based on a Christian perspective, and isn't it a big red dude with horns that's the source of all evil? Didn't they think they were getting their orders from the All Mighty? Actually, another comparison between Bush and El Capitan is both of their inferiority complexes concerning their fathers, though that has nothing to do with the supernatural (or not) nature of evil. I just like dragging Shrub into this as much as possible.

>> I'd call that a fourth possibility.
>
>I'm not following you.

I was thinking that the possibility of her being mentally ill was the third, though I suppose you could lump mental instability and psychic premonition together.

Mr. B

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Subject	Author	Date
Re: Pan's Labyrinth	Kylopod	05:20:44 10/03/07 Wed
Re: Pan's Labyrinth -- Mr. Bungle, 14:51:03 10/03/07 Wed Re: Pan's Labyrinth -- Kylopod, 12:24:56 10/06/07 Sat Re: Pan's Labyrinth -- Mr. Bungle, 17:09:37 10/10/07 Wed Re: Pan's Labyrinth -- Kylopod, 01:26:10 10/11/07 Thu