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Date Posted: 05:20:44 10/03/07 Wed Author Host/IP: pool-71-246-76-93.bltmmd.east.verizon.net/71.246.76.93 In reply to: Mr. Bungle 's message, "Re: Pan's Labyrinth" on 10:47:56 10/01/07 Mon >>What would he have to do or be like in order for you >>to consider him evil? > >I admit the distinction is a narrow one, but the fact >is it's war. One might consider that to be Nuremberg >Defense bullshit, but the fact is even the "good guys" >have to pull some malevolent shit to get the job done. But there's nothing morally ambiguous about most of the Captain's actions. Just because there is gray in the world doesn't mean everything's gray. >Like I said, evil (to me at least) has somewhat of a >supernatural connotation. Not necessarily. >>>He's convinced he's right. >> >>So was Hitler. >> > >Hitler was also investigating somewhat supernatural >methods while waging the war, was he not? He was? >The >Capitan, if anything, seems spiritually bereft. That isn't clear. His speech about lack of equality seems to hint at Nazi ideology, and his nationalism was mixed with Catholicism. But really, what does it matter whether something's done in the name of religion or not? >>>I think this makes him more unnerving and >>>dangerous, because evil has supernatural connotations >> >>It does? >> > The way guys like Bush or Hitler see it, their view >of evil is based on a Christian perspective, and isn't >it a big red dude with horns that's the source of all >evil? Didn't they think they were getting their orders >from the All Mighty? Actually, another comparison >between Bush and El Capitan is both of their >inferiority complexes concerning their fathers, though >that has nothing to do with the supernatural (or not) >nature of evil. I don't see the comparison. Bush's actions in Iraq have at least allegedly a noble cause. There was nothing noble about the Nazi project even in theory. Like it or not, there is a qualitative difference between a misguided war and a program of genocide. >>> I'd call that a fourth possibility. >> >>I'm not following you. > > I was thinking that the possibility of her being >mentally ill was the third, though I suppose you could >lump mental instability and psychic premonition >together. That's not what I meant. Let's say I'm not sure what your second possibility is, assuming you mean that the first is that it's all real. Are you perhaps making a distinction between mental illness and ordinary play-acting? When it comes to movies, that sort of distinction is a fine line. I was recently watching the old Henry Thomas flick "Cloak & Dagger," which I had last seen when I was younger than Thomas's character. It isn't anywhere near as complex a film as "Pan's Labyrinth," and there's never any question that the child's visions are a product of his imagination. But he could just as easily be pretending as hallucinating. Keep in mind that the role in "Pan" was written for an eight-year-old girl. Younger kids naturally have a harder time distinguishing fantasy from reality. For an eleven-year-old, we'd be more willing to suspect psychological problems. It's just hard to find younger kids who can act. So, these types of movies usually end up resembling mental illness, even if that interpretation isn't necessary. The girl's final vision is quite clearly (to my eyes) a near-death experience. But the earlier visions could be any number of things--dreams, hallucinations, or just play-acting. Even if she was going mad, it could have been gradual. There's no way for us to be certain, because the cinematic techniques for depicting all these levels of unreality tend to blend together. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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