| Subject: Re: New poll (Nebula v Nebulon) |
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Date Posted: 09:53:41 10/21/02 Mon
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In reply to:
The Divine Shadow
's message, "Re: New poll (Nebula v Nebulon)" on 17:22:51 10/19/02 Sat
>>>We have never seen or heard that Star Wars computers
>>>are STL, the Communications core for a
>>>Coruscanttransmision relay (seen in one of the
>X-wings
>>>books) has computaional powers and speed that is, in
>>>all likly hood, far superior the computers on
>>>Andromeda and atleast as good as the computers on an
>>>early Picard era Federation science vessel.
>>>
>>
>>That might be true, but what about a TIE fighter? From
>>what we saw in the movies, the targeting system is
>>pretty simple, and is roughly human reflex speed.
>
>Darth Vader was savoring his hunting time, he rarely
>has the pleasure, especially where he gets fight a
>pilot that has Force potential.
Hmmmm....doesn't really work though, because we saw basically the same display on the X-Wings too. They certainly were not 'savoring' the time, they were fighting for their lives.
> Besides, the simpler
>it is, the better it works, and less distracting it is
>to the pilot, the #1 reason that people don't use
>expensive, complex, and grandious holo-projectors in
>combat vehicles for relaying combat data to the
>operators is that in a combat situations is that they
>are too distracting and can be replaced by small,
>flat screens that will distract the pilot/ crewman
>less and thus make him/her more combat effective.
>butons, dials and levers are ergonamically superior to
>okodograms, and flat screens are just as good as
>holo-projectors. What all of this ramballing means is
>that apearence does not tell everything, the Falcon
>proves that.
That is true enough, the interface does not necessarily denote system power or capability. However, all of this is getting us away from the point we were discussing. We know that Fed starships have FTL computers and sensors, so targeting data is recieved and calculated at FTL speeds. That means that as a fighter tries to manouver, the systems should easily be able recalculate targeting fast enough to effectively negate the manouverability advantage, especially since the target, ie a TIE, is STL. If the target was FTL, then it might be a problem (since the computational advantage would be nullified). We don't have any canon proof to suggest that X-Wings or TIEs have FTL computers and/or sensors on board, but it doesn't really matter.
>
>>>>> A TL shot with a minimum yield of 200 gt would
>>>de-shield
>>>>>and sublimate a shuttle, perigrin, or runnabout in
>1
>>>>>shot aswell.
>>>
>>>Here is a quate from a more canon source (the book
>>>"Slave Ship")
>>>"the laser cannons being mounted into the open
>>>skeletal frames required bracing and
>>>recoil-dissipation casings that would have withstood
>>>explosions measured in the giga-tonnage range.
>>>Anything less, and a single shot fired in battle
>would
>>>rip a destroyer or battle cruiser in two, a victim of
>>>its own lethal strength".
>>
>>I've seen that quote before, but I do have some
>>problems with it. Firstly we saw in TESB, that the
>>structural strength of an ISD was low enough that a
>>relatively low speed impact with an asteroid was
>>enough to decapitate it, and maybe even destroy it
>>outright. That impact could not have been above
>>megaton range, and was probably only kiloton range.
>>Similarly, in RotJ, the A-wing directly penetrated the
>>bridge window of the SSD with little trouble, implying
>>a relatively low resistance to kinetic impacts at
>>least. In the RotJ novel, we hear that a rebel fighter
>>striking an ISD took out it's front batteries. If they
>>could withstand a gigaton explosion, the impacting
>>fighter should have caused little problems. In a
>>related example, we saw in ANH, that a low speed
>>impact between two TIE fighters was enough to cause
>>major damage to both. I know that is to do with
>>fighters and not capital ships, but it shows the
>>strength of materials extends to other areas of
>>Imperial building.
>
>If you toss a brick at 30 Ft by 30 ft plate glass
>window will it break? Yes, because the brick is
>denser and applies most of what little energy it is
>tossed at the piont of impact, same with bullets, same
>with Kamicazees flying at a carrier's deck instead of
>its armored sides, if you want to mazimize internal
>damage, find the piont of easiest ingress and fly at
>it.
As far as I know, the A-Wing certainly wasn't aiming itself at the windows. It could have been dumb luck to hit them rather than the armored hull, but then that brings us back to the novel quote (the one about the fighter taking out the forward batteries). If the fighter hit the forward batteries (no suggestion of windows here), and took them out, what should a 200GT hit do to them?
>If a shuttle were to fly at it's top sublight
>speed and ram the saucer of its parent ship, would it
>penetrate? yes. And it is made of similar materials.
I agree, but then I'm not claiming that the saucer can take 200GT. :)
>The Asteroid that the ISD was a bout 1/8 the size of
>the Bridge tower and traveling very fast.
Not that fast. We visually see heading towards the ISD for a good second before impact. Given the camera angle and the way it does not change much in size, the speed cannot have been very high. It impact energy would never approach anything like 200GT. To do so would require it being much larger and/or faster
> besides,
>there aren't any guns on the bridge tower.
>And as for, the TLs ownly set trees on fire, that's
>because all most all Imperial weapons deal linear
>damage, not radial
>because Linear will peirce Imperial armor (like an
>asteroid)
>While radial will not have sufficient power to do much
>damage to the armor.
You mean they always punch through, rather than exploding? I'm not sure that is correct. If that were the case, we would expect to see holes in ships from one side to the other rather than surface explosions. That is not what appears to happen in RotJ. You could argue that after traveling a certain distance through its target te turbolaser detonates, but then I take you back to darksabre. A 200GT explosion detonating 100ft underground might be even more devestating than a surface burst. It would cause earthtremors over tremendous distances. Also, we have seen that turbolasers can 'flak burst', and that certainly is a radial explosion. You could argue that there are different settings, but in that case, why were the flak bursts not used at Yavin? A 200GT airburst would kill everything for hundreds of miles. Whichever way you look at it, the 200GT per shot fired at Yavin's moon would have to go somewhere. Energy doesn't just disappear, and 200GT (per shot!) is not a small amount.
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