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Date Posted: 03:23:16 10/22/02 Tue
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In reply to:
Warspite
's message, "Re: New poll (Nebula v Nebulon)" on 09:53:41 10/21/02 Mon
>>Darth Vader was savoring his hunting time, he rarely
>>has the pleasure, especially where he gets fight a
>>pilot that has Force potential.
>
>Hmmmm....doesn't really work though, because we saw
>basically the same display on the X-Wings too. They
>certainly were not 'savoring' the time, they were
>fighting for their lives.
ok. so they were, but think of this, at high STL speeds and at FTL speeds if the targeting computers fail then the pilot would be s.o.l. (and don't use Tuvok or Warf as examples of how that might not be true because they are particularly skilled at what they do and they represent only 2 of thousands)
>As far as I know, the A-Wing certainly wasn't aiming
>itself at the windows. It could have been dumb luck to
>hit them rather than the armored hull, but then that
>brings us back to the novel quote (the one about the
>fighter taking out the forward batteries). If the
>fighter hit the forward batteries (no suggestion of
>windows here), and took them out, what should a 200GT
>hit do to them?
The hyperdrive could have gone critical, When Admiral Daala sent her ISDs against Mon Calimari the Mon Cals, having little in the way of a defense fleet at that time, could only send a damaged cruiser at the fleet, the Captain programed the unstable hyperdrive motivator (due to battle damage) to overload and explode, it worked, 1 ISD was destroyed, another damaged so badly that it barely made it to hyperspace. If and X-wing's hyperdrive motivator went critical (this rarely happens) then the explosion would be enough to damage a large protion of the ISD's bow (where the batteries were).
>>The Asteroid that the ISD was a bout 1/8 the size of
>>the Bridge tower and traveling very fast.
>
>Not that fast. We visually see heading towards the ISD
>for a good second before impact. Given the camera
>angle and the way it does not change much in size, the
>speed cannot have been very high. It impact energy
>would never approach anything like 200GT. To do so
>would require it being much larger and/or faster
Pretty fast for a rock with no engines or repulsors though. Besides, Imperial armor has high energy reflectivity, that does nothing to stop a several hundred meter wide/tall/deep hunk of nickle/iron, travelling at tens to hundreds of Km per second, from penetrating into a reletively low armor area, in all probibility spalling in the process sending its chunks into many vital structural support areas and maybe even blowing up one or both of the shield generators. The fact of the matter is that we don't know what kind of damage the ISD had tacken prior to the impact, other impacts could very easily have been significantly reduced on the other side by similar impacts, niether the books nor the movies confirm or deny these possibilities.
>> besides,
>>there aren't any guns on the bridge tower.
>>And as for, the TLs ownly set trees on fire, that's
>>because all most all Imperial weapons deal linear
>>damage, not radial
>>because Linear will peirce Imperial armor (like an
>>asteroid)
>>While radial will not have sufficient power to do much
>>damage to the armor.
>
>You mean they always punch through, rather than
>exploding?
Not always, the armor can take many hits before it is penetrated (due to it's high energy reflectivity, specific heat, and density).
>I'm not sure that is correct. If that were
>the case, we would expect to see holes in ships from
>one side to the other rather than surface explosions.
Inner areas of Imperial ships are also heavily armored. And in "Destiny's Way" (latest installment into the New Jedi Order series) we see Turbolaser shots creating veritble mushroom clouds of superheated yoric coral (a naturally grown armor that has proporties that rival Imperial/Republic dura-steel, this suggests great impact strength (like hundreds of megatons at the least).
>That is not what appears to happen in RotJ. You could
>argue that after traveling a certain distance through
>its target the turbolaser detonates, but then I take
>you back to darksabre. A 200GT explosion detonating
>100ft underground might be even more devestating than
>a surface burst.
Piont defense lasers use "flack burst" lasers, TLs rarely show this ability. If a TL shot travels far into the ground then it eventually fissles out runs out of the sublimating heat that allows such great penetration, it doesn't eventually explode.
>It would cause earthtremors over
>tremendous distances. Also, we have seen that
>turbolasers can 'flak burst', and that certainly is a
>radial explosion. You could argue that there are
>different settings, but in that case, why were the
>flak bursts not used at Yavin? A 200GT airburst would
>kill everything for hundreds of miles. Whichever way
>you look at it, the 200GT per shot fired at Yavin's
>moon would have to go somewhere. Energy doesn't just
>disappear, and 200GT (per shot!) is not a small amount.
The Death Star was out of range for a Base Delta Zero, and besides, TL shots don't burst PDLs do. That's why the X-wings were doing so well against the DS, the guns shooting at the fighters were desined to take out Capital ships, not fighters, the recharge rates and rotational servos/berrings weren't optimized for AF use.
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