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Subject: St George


Author:
Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 14:38:30 11/26/04 Fri
In reply to: Jim (Canada) 's message, "I have added a unique British Empire flag to the Commonwealth History page" on 03:19:51 11/26/04 Fri

Also I think the St George should lose its dominant position dividing up the whole flag. Perhaps turning it from red to blue? Representing the oceans that divide us. Maybe I am just nit picking, it is already a very nice looking flag.

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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 14:44:29 11/26/04 Fri

I imagine that the St George was kept in the original because, with the Jack and the St George's cross, it looked rather like the RN Ensign, and the perennial obsession with the RN was not yet dead...

Blue could be alright, but then the Jack would look a bit odd, since it would sort of blend into the cross...

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[> [> Subject: The RN White ensign was used by all Dominion navies at that time


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 17:56:20 11/26/04 Fri


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[> [> [> Subject: FC RN Ensign Flag


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 01:15:20 11/27/04 Sat

I don't really support an RN style flag similar to the old empire flag as I think it sends out the wrong message. However, it got me thinking, and I have created the following purely for discussion:

FCS Flag

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Golly!


Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 01:19:23 11/27/04 Sat

Dave, would you email me the file which you have created for this new flag of yours? I think that it is fantastic and I'm going to have it made by a bloke I know in Peshawar!

I dare say that you are 100% right to say that it is inappropriate for our new, forward-looking organisation, but I love it anyway for its own sake!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Suggestion, though.


Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 01:21:52 11/27/04 Sat

This might not be at all appropriate for an FC, but it might do as the Royal Standard for the Queen (or empress...) of the FC. Just take out the arms in the middle and put in the "E" symbol which exists in the present standard for the former dominions, and I think it'll look just right for that.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yep...


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 01:23:53 11/27/04 Sat

I actually used the Sovereign's arms in the centre rather than the UK State arms - although it might be difficult to tell in the small image. I'll email you two versions...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You're a star, thanks!


Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 01:25:59 11/27/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Did you get your images OK Ed?


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 14:50:12 11/27/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yep, thanks...


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Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 14:58:08 11/27/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Alternative Design


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 01:57:41 11/27/04 Sat

Here is the second flag design for those interested...

FCSFlag2

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: HM's Emblem


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Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 15:15:12 11/27/04 Sat

So we would ahve to edit the flag everytime we got a knew monarch? I quite like that actualy.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: ignore that


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Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 15:17:55 11/27/04 Sat

Oh wait I ahve read other posts. I understand now

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[> [> [> [> Subject: How do you post images here?


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 01:40:22 11/27/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well, You need to include an HTML image tag in you post...


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 01:52:41 11/27/04 Sat

Firstly, you image will have to exist on the internet. I use a free picture hosting service to do this. Then you have to link to the image using an HTML Image tag in your post.

To see what this tag looks like, select the View menu, and click Source (assuming you are using IE as your Browser)

While viewing a post with an image, you will see lots of HTML code. This is what renders the page. Look for the post with the image (you should be able to find it amongst all the code) You need to insert the text between the <> angle brackets (including the brackets) which starts with IMG. The web address within the brackets is the address of your image. The second part of the tag is the image name, and is what your browser will display when you hover over it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: could i just e-mail you an image and get you to post it?


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 01:56:09 11/27/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sure


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 01:59:01 11/27/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ian's Flag Design


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 02:03:34 11/27/04 Sat

This is Ian's CANZUK flag suggestion: the bottom right hand corner of the jack.

Flag2

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Great.


Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 02:15:09 11/27/04 Sat

I remember that Ian sent me this some time ago, and I remember saying that it's great advantage is that it's not quite the Jack, but at the same time it is not quite NOT the Jack. I stand by that, and I rather like it. Good work.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: symbols


Author:
Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 16:16:28 11/27/04 Sat

If we have symbols for specific bits of the FC we are somehow tying our new federated identity to an amalgam of existing identities. It also means that if we welcome, for example, Barbados and St. Lucia into the federation, we would have to squeeze in symbols for them too.

I want something unifying: something sharp, elegant and reminiscent of familiar flags without actually containing existing symbols. Something in the traditional colours we are all fond of and that would look great on a t-shirt. Something easy enough for children to draw in their schoolbooks without being reduced to mere geometry.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Jim's Flag Ideas


Author:
Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 14:15:52 11/27/04 Sat

Here are Jim's suggestions...

Jim’s Flag 1

Jim’s Flag 2

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Could you talk me through the second one? I'm not sure that I understand it.


Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 14:27:50 11/27/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: In Jim's Email...


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 15:03:55 11/27/04 Sat

He explains that the stars are the North Star and the Southern Cross. I'm not sure about the significance of the Scandanavian style cross, can you elaborate Jim?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hm.


Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 15:18:08 11/27/04 Sat

It looks rather foreign to me, in a way which I can't quite put my finger on.

On the other hand, I do like the four-pointed star, though. It is unusual, since most flags with stars have five- or six-pointed ones. Also, the colours are right, and it is something quite new, which is a plus point.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The second flag


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 15:37:20 11/27/04 Sat

Firstly, thanks Dave for posting the flags.

The second flag is supposed to be a generic, non-British imperial flag without the Union Jack.

The red, white and blue colours are from the Union Jack to represent the British heritage. The top left star is the North Star representing Britain and Canada, and the stars in the bottom right are the Southern Cross representing Australia and New Zealand (the stars are five-pointed as in the NZ flag, but are all white as in the Australian flag).

The blue represents the oceans.

The cross represents the Greenwich Meridian and the Equator in a sort of stylised map of the world. It is off-centre for two reasons - the Americas to the left of the Greenwich Meridian are fairly narrow from east to west, while the other continents on the east side of the Meridian are fairly wide (the distance across Asia). The other reason is that a St. George's cross would look too English, while an off-centre cross is more neutral.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It does look pretty good.


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Roberdin
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Date Posted: 16:33:39 11/27/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> Subject: I love it!


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Paddy (Scotland)
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Date Posted: 11:48:27 11/27/04 Sat


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Nice...


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Roberdin
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Date Posted: 14:14:38 11/27/04 Sat

It's nice, and I like the plain look, because if it's waving proudly in strong wind, you want to be able to recognise it at some distance.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: I really like Dave's first flag...


Author:
Paddy (Scotland)
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Date Posted: 15:40:48 11/29/04 Mon

It has the history of all of our nations built into it and emphasises that we have traditionally always been a naval power.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Cheers


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 20:03:33 11/29/04 Mon


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