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| Subject: I have added a unique British Empire flag to the Commonwealth History page | |
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] Date Posted: 03:19:51 11/26/04 Fri I have added to the top of the Commonwealth History page, a detailed map of the British Empire at its height and a nice picture of a flag someone put together in the 1930's showing the emblems of the dominions all together on one flag. This is the spirit of what we are talking about. Take a look - it looks quite interesting. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:17:15 11/26/04 Fri I saw sucj a flag on the net a while back and have always thought that such a flag would be excellent to represent CANZUK. I recomend, the Union Flag top left, some symbol for Canada top right, some symbol for OZ bottom left, some symbol for NZ bottom right. The order is that of the of Dominion status being arrived at. Good symbols would be: Canada: Maple-leaf Australia & NZ their own constellations. How does this sound? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:06:22 11/26/04 Fri I own this flag and it hangs proudly on my wall. But I think that the coats of arms for Canada and Australia are better than the Maple Leaf or constellations symbols. If we were to use this flag as a basis for an FC flag, I would keep the Canadian, New Zealand and Australian bits as they are, and use the empty space from which the Union of South Africa symbol will have to be removed (*sob*) to put in something representing the West Indies realms. There is royal heraldry for these places too. Oh, and the Star of India would have to go, too. Ought it be replaced, or left blank in the middle? And if replaced, with what? Perhaps the initial 'EII' (or, after Charles becomes King, 'GVII'), as currently exists in the centre of the royal standards for NZ and Australia and, for all I know, Canada... Thoughts? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:00:08 11/26/04 Fri Australia and New Zealand's southern crosses are virtually identical, there being only two small differences: their stars are red and ours are white, and we have a little fifth star along with ours. (Our federation star doesn't really count as part of the constellation, because it has no intention of representing an actual star.) With a bit of luck, we antipodeans will tidy up the unfinished business of our Federation before the FC gets off the ground, and will already be the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand when the time comes to make a CANZUK flag. Maybe then we will take the average of our constellations and have four and a half pale pink stars... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:07:33 11/26/04 Fri It has always been my belief that Oz/NZ unification would be the most desirable first step to achieve our aims. The bottom-up approach to unification always works better than the top-down approach. Just think of the UK, US versus the EU. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:38:08 11/26/04 Fri The thing is, that I rather like the white stars offsetting the red cross. I don't know why. I'm peering at my flag now and there's something about it which appeals to me. Mind you, if one were to remove the Star of India, the struture would fall and perhaps they would look out of place. Perhaps I should fiddle round with it on MS Paint or something. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: FC Flag based on Empire flag | |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:54:34 11/26/04 Fri First of all, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica and Barbados all have their royal standards with a blue roundel in the centre containing an 'E' for Elizabeth surrounded by a garland of white roses. These flags are all based on the respective coats of arms. I have them all displayed on the Commonwealth History page, near the bottom under Royal Flags. Take a look. I have drawn an updated version of this Empire flag as an FC flag. I kept the white ensign design with the red cross and the Union Flag and I put the red maple leaf of Canada in the top right, the Australian Commonwealth star in blue (as on the RAN ensign) in the bottom left and the stars of NZ all in red (as on the RNZN ensign) in the bottom right. It looks good, but the whole thing looks too much like a naval ensign rather than a national flag. I would prefer something using red, white and blue with a red cross on a dark blue background with a white North Star in the top left and a white Southern Cross constellation in the bottom right, keeping it simple. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:38:30 11/26/04 Fri Also I think the St George should lose its dominant position dividing up the whole flag. Perhaps turning it from red to blue? Representing the oceans that divide us. Maybe I am just nit picking, it is already a very nice looking flag. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:44:29 11/26/04 Fri I imagine that the St George was kept in the original because, with the Jack and the St George's cross, it looked rather like the RN Ensign, and the perennial obsession with the RN was not yet dead... Blue could be alright, but then the Jack would look a bit odd, since it would sort of blend into the cross... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:56:20 11/26/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: FC RN Ensign Flag | |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:15:20 11/27/04 Sat I don't really support an RN style flag similar to the old empire flag as I think it sends out the wrong message. However, it got me thinking, and I have created the following purely for discussion:  [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:19:23 11/27/04 Sat Dave, would you email me the file which you have created for this new flag of yours? I think that it is fantastic and I'm going to have it made by a bloke I know in Peshawar! I dare say that you are 100% right to say that it is inappropriate for our new, forward-looking organisation, but I love it anyway for its own sake! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:21:52 11/27/04 Sat This might not be at all appropriate for an FC, but it might do as the Royal Standard for the Queen (or empress...) of the FC. Just take out the arms in the middle and put in the "E" symbol which exists in the present standard for the former dominions, and I think it'll look just right for that. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:23:53 11/27/04 Sat I actually used the Sovereign's arms in the centre rather than the UK State arms - although it might be difficult to tell in the small image. I'll email you two versions... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:25:59 11/27/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:50:12 11/27/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:58:08 11/27/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:57:41 11/27/04 Sat Here is the second flag design for those interested...  [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:15:12 11/27/04 Sat So we would ahve to edit the flag everytime we got a knew monarch? I quite like that actualy. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:17:55 11/27/04 Sat Oh wait I ahve read other posts. I understand now [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: How do you post images here? | |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:40:22 11/27/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Well, You need to include an HTML image tag in you post... | |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:52:41 11/27/04 Sat Firstly, you image will have to exist on the internet. I use a free picture hosting service to do this. Then you have to link to the image using an HTML Image tag in your post. To see what this tag looks like, select the View menu, and click Source (assuming you are using IE as your Browser) While viewing a post with an image, you will see lots of HTML code. This is what renders the page. Look for the post with the image (you should be able to find it amongst all the code) You need to insert the text between the <> angle brackets (including the brackets) which starts with IMG. The web address within the brackets is the address of your image. The second part of the tag is the image name, and is what your browser will display when you hover over it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:56:09 11/27/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:59:01 11/27/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:03:34 11/27/04 Sat This is Ian's CANZUK flag suggestion: the bottom right hand corner of the jack.  [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:15:09 11/27/04 Sat I remember that Ian sent me this some time ago, and I remember saying that it's great advantage is that it's not quite the Jack, but at the same time it is not quite NOT the Jack. I stand by that, and I rather like it. Good work. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:16:28 11/27/04 Sat If we have symbols for specific bits of the FC we are somehow tying our new federated identity to an amalgam of existing identities. It also means that if we welcome, for example, Barbados and St. Lucia into the federation, we would have to squeeze in symbols for them too. I want something unifying: something sharp, elegant and reminiscent of familiar flags without actually containing existing symbols. Something in the traditional colours we are all fond of and that would look great on a t-shirt. Something easy enough for children to draw in their schoolbooks without being reduced to mere geometry. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:15:52 11/27/04 Sat Here are Jim's suggestions...   [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:27:50 11/27/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:03:55 11/27/04 Sat He explains that the stars are the North Star and the Southern Cross. I'm not sure about the significance of the Scandanavian style cross, can you elaborate Jim? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:18:08 11/27/04 Sat It looks rather foreign to me, in a way which I can't quite put my finger on. On the other hand, I do like the four-pointed star, though. It is unusual, since most flags with stars have five- or six-pointed ones. Also, the colours are right, and it is something quite new, which is a plus point. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:37:20 11/27/04 Sat Firstly, thanks Dave for posting the flags. The second flag is supposed to be a generic, non-British imperial flag without the Union Jack. The red, white and blue colours are from the Union Jack to represent the British heritage. The top left star is the North Star representing Britain and Canada, and the stars in the bottom right are the Southern Cross representing Australia and New Zealand (the stars are five-pointed as in the NZ flag, but are all white as in the Australian flag). The blue represents the oceans. The cross represents the Greenwich Meridian and the Equator in a sort of stylised map of the world. It is off-centre for two reasons - the Americas to the left of the Greenwich Meridian are fairly narrow from east to west, while the other continents on the east side of the Meridian are fairly wide (the distance across Asia). The other reason is that a St. George's cross would look too English, while an off-centre cross is more neutral. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:33:39 11/27/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:48:27 11/27/04 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:14:38 11/27/04 Sat It's nice, and I like the plain look, because if it's waving proudly in strong wind, you want to be able to recognise it at some distance. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:40:48 11/29/04 Mon It has the history of all of our nations built into it and emphasises that we have traditionally always been a naval power. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:03:33 11/29/04 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |