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Subject: 大家唔好再o係度鬧老師啦!!!


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Date Posted: 13:00:05 05/26/03 Mon

相信呢度本身唔係俾大家咁用...

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[> Subject: 你話嫁?!


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蔡俊步
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Date Posted: 02:18:20 05/27/03 Tue

點解唔可以鬧?
點解唔可以係度鬧?
[> Subject: Re: 要鬧人,也得光明磊落


Author:
久未臨客
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Date Posted: 03:23:30 05/27/03 Tue

若真有不滿的地方,或受到不公平的待遇,你必須言明。
若是有理的,那怕得不到洗雪?
眼看同學鬧人多數也提不出理據,也恃著匿名的權利肆意攻擊,企圖把自己不喜歡的老師抹黑、「唱衰」。

你說,此風該長嗎?
[> Subject: Re: 大家唔好再o係度鬧老師啦!!!


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某人..!
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Date Posted: 03:54:06 05/27/03 Tue

>相信呢度本身唔係俾大家咁用...

如果佢系好既老師的話,就唔會比人話..
[> [> Subject: Re: 大家唔好再o係度鬧老師啦!!!


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@o@
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Date Posted: 09:42:31 05/27/03 Tue

>>相信呢度本身唔係俾大家咁用...
>
>如果佢系好既老師的話,就唔會比人話..

只有冗員先唔會比人話既jei!!
一個好既老師,見同學行差踏錯一定會出聲。
一定會有人唔開心ga la
就好似rebecca ho 罰人企依d小事,
都係因為一小部份人因為不甘心比人罰特登係度玩野之ma

一個唔會罵你既老師,你唔會嬲佢,
但就一定唔係好老師!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 大家唔好再o係度鬧老師啦!!!


Author:
路人丁
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Date Posted: 11:16:19 05/27/03 Tue

>>>相信呢度本身唔係俾大家咁用...
>>
>>如果佢系好既老師的話,就唔會比人話..
>
>只有冗員先唔會比人話既jei!!
>一個好既老師,見同學行差踏錯一定會出聲。
>一定會有人唔開心ga la
>就好似rebecca ho 罰人企依d小事,
>都係因為一小部份人因為不甘心比人罰特登係度玩野之ma
>
>一個唔會罵你既老師,你唔會嬲佢,
>但就一定唔係好老師!
你話ar~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!???????????
[> Subject: Re: 大家唔好再o係度鬧老師啦!!!


Author:
水皮BB
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Date Posted: 12:04:24 05/27/03 Tue

其實可能老師佢地都有檢討過自己的教學方法,希望真的能教好學生,只係大家暫時未能接受而產生“針對”0既心理…
希望各書友們能夠體諒到老師都是人,他們所面對的壓力絕不比我們少,我們不應該因為不接受某位老師的教學方法而埋沒他們的教學熱誠。如果你是老師,比學生成日咁挑剔,你又會唔會好受呢?
(就算要表達不滿,大家的語氣又可唔可以好d呢?)
[> Subject: 熱誠=功勞?


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蔡進步
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Date Posted: 10:10:44 05/28/03 Wed

老師是受政府薪的...
有熱誠而化為學生的得益先有用的,ba講過"無功都有勞"是錯的,勞對老板無意思,功先有用
我理得你有冇熱誠~~總知對學生有利就行了
[> [> Subject: Re: 熱誠=功勞?


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小人物
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Date Posted: 10:48:43 05/28/03 Wed

>老師是受政府薪的...
>有熱誠而化為學生的得益先有用的,ba講過"無功都有勞"是錯的
>,勞對老板無意思,功先有用
>我理得你有冇熱誠~~總知對學生有利就行了
well,熱誠呢家野就.....熱誠,我認為係功效既推動力,一個老師如果連最基本既教學熱誠都無,何來有效率可言?怒我直言,校內有部分上左年紀既老師睇黎已經無左對教學既熱誠
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 熱誠=功勞?


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大大
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Date Posted: 11:58:55 05/28/03 Wed

熱誠是唯一推動力?? 以下就是另一種推動力

如果俾幾萬蚊請一個老師, 叫佢教到每個學生會考都幾支A, 做唔到就out,
佢好可能會盡力教好佢班學生, 因為佢等錢開飯!!
但學生或佢上司就可能一相情願以為佢好有教學熱誠...........

>>老師是受政府薪的...
>>有熱誠而化為學生的得益先有用的,ba講過"無功都有勞"是錯?>?>>,勞對老板無意思,功先有用
>>我理得你有冇熱誠~~總知對學生有利就行了
>well,熱誠呢家野就.....熱誠,我認為係功效既推動力,一個老?>v如果連最基本既教學熱誠都無,何來有效率可言?怒我直言,校?>漲陶﹞壑W左年紀既老師睇黎已經無左對教學既熱誠
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 熱誠=功勞?


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Summer
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Date Posted: 00:03:14 05/29/03 Thu

>>老師是受政府薪的...
>>有熱誠而化為學生的得益先有用的,ba講過"無功都有勞"是錯?>?>>,勞對老板無意思,功先有用
>>我理得你有冇熱誠~~總知對學生有利就行了
>well,熱誠呢家野就.....熱誠,我認為係功效既推動力,一個老?>v如果連最基本既教學熱誠都無,何來有效率可言?怒我直言,校?>漲陶﹞壑W左年紀既老師睇黎已經無左對教學既熱誠
I agree! Moreover, if the teacher can teach well, the teacher must have some 推動力 behind. The 推動力 may be money or enthusiasm, but this doesn't matter because both are legal and reasonable and do not hurt anyone.
I also agree some teachers of our schools have no enthusiasm any more. They should be kicked out of the school.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 熱誠=功勞?


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蔡進步
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Date Posted: 04:52:34 05/31/03 Sat

無熱誠同無效益係兩回事,有時d野唔可以將佢簡單化,令到咩事都變左得一個factor
熱誠係效益其中一個factor,唔係唯一一個,所以何來"
連最基本既教學熱誠都無,何來有效率可言?"
[> Subject: 蔡進步,不外如是..............................(經濟學之弊端)


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無我
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Date Posted: 10:02:45 06/01/03 Sun

人會變,月會圓,估唔到除我一向敬重公佬心雲,另一個我所佩服既蔡進步,亦變得如此重利不重義,我仲記得你係一個如何熱心幫助同學既學兄,估唔到估唔到....哈哈哈....君子喻於義,小人喻於利....
[> [> Subject: Re: 蔡進步,不外如是..............................(經濟學之弊端)


Author:
7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 10:57:34 06/01/03 Sun

一次我同同學問何定工務員該不該減薪,佢話要,我地之後就話減左對你唔好wor~~
佢就答:"做學問的人應該忠於理性的推論"
姑勿論佢講得岩唔岩,佢對忠於學問的精神就好值得我學習,敬重了.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: 蔡進步,不外如是..............................(經濟學之弊端)


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7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 10:58:35 06/01/03 Sun

我說的是
1.熱誠是其一令學生好的factor,而不是唯一,即係話如果你只係話比我知一個人有冇熱誠係沒有足夠資料話佢教得好唔好的
2.熱誠而不能轉化為學生之得益,對學生黎講佢都係冇得益,空有熱誠是沒有意思的

你把以上推論成
1.我說人不要有熱誠
2.我沒有熱誠
你慢慢想一下是否合理吧
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 蔡進步,不外如是..............................(經濟學之弊端)


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7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 11:00:52 06/01/03 Sun

要認識一個人是否有熱誠,其中一個方法是透過參考客觀行為,我上面的言論竟表達了咁多?!
我""就算真的有熱誠"",或者""客觀行為好似好有熱誠"",都唔代表我要點樣點樣講有熱誠係幾重要啊,冇熱誠既人係幾衰啊,又
點樣寄生虫啊云云(事實上我非常討厭d因為有熱誠而自命清高的人,不過你又唔好因為呢句就推論我沒有熱誠),因為我認為自己的選擇,不一定要加之於其他人身上,
[> [> [> [> Subject: 最後一版


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7a6蔡進步
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Date Posted: 11:02:19 06/01/03 Sun

我心目中的松鼠sir是沒有熱誠的人,但是我在學生會做野時,佢的確是一個實際,有辦事能力,教識我唔小野既人,最後結論係佢係有貢獻的老師

p.s.這不是什麼經濟學,任何研究因果的事,都要識hold other factor constant先可以睇到一件事的影響和必然性
[> [> Subject: Re: 蔡進步,不外如是..............................(經濟學之弊端)


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小人物
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Date Posted: 02:29:55 06/02/03 Mon

>人會變,月會圓,估唔到除我一向敬重公佬心雲,另一個我所佩服
>既蔡進步,亦變得如此重利不重義,我仲記得你係一個如何熱心?>飢U同學既學兄,估唔到估唔到....哈哈哈....君子喻於義,小人
>喻於利....
請容許小弟加把口....
其實呢,我地首先要知道,老師既最大任務係教授知識予學生,所以如蔡師兄所講-->出黎既效果先係最重要既....而我之前亦提過一點:熱誠係效率既推動力,如果一個老師連教學熱誠都無,我想問下何來效率可言????而當一個老師空有一番熱誠而係教學成效方面建樹不大,那麼.....他那熱誠對於學生有何大益處呢??
[> [> Subject: Re: 蔡進步,不外如是..............................(經濟學之弊端)


Author:
舊生
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Date Posted: 10:48:57 06/02/03 Mon

贊同
正如董生空有熱誠治港,但卻無效率可言,於本港市民有何益處呢?
[> [> Subject: Re: 蔡進步,不外如是..............................(經濟學之弊端)


Author:
黃藥師
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Date Posted: 20:52:00 06/02/03 Mon

>人會變,月會圓,估唔到除我一向敬重公佬心雲,另一個我所佩服
>既蔡進步,亦變得如此重利不重義,我仲記得你係一個如何熱心?>飢U同學既學兄,估唔到估唔到....哈哈哈....君子喻於義,小人
>喻於利....

君子憂道不憂貧.我覺得"進步"同學所求的是學問,他是在求道.試問,你所講的他喻於的"利"是否等於他所求的"學問"呢?如果是的話,請你告訴我他究竟是君子,還是小人?

請你弄清楚什麼是"利",孔子說:"不恥下問", 那麼, 他是否為了追求學問(利)而放下自己身份去求問呢? 孔子也喻於"利"麼?

試想想,一個沒法令學生學到知識的老師,對學生毫無益處,他們為了薪金而繼續留下,這才是喻於利!
義是有公平正直的心,請問你是否公平呢?斷章取義地說你所佩服既蔡進步是不外如是,你也違反了義的本質.
所以....不外如是的...... 可能是你
[> Subject: 睇緊,我又講錯野啦.............


Author:
無我
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Date Posted: 06:14:09 06/03/03 Tue

其實我所針對亦只不過係各位既看法及進步兄既果句「我理得你有冇熱誠~~總知對學生有利就行了」呢一句,但我卻十分同意進步兄「連最基本既教學熱誠都無,何來有效率可言」。
不過係我地追求效率及結果中,會唔會忽略左呢個過程呢?就以讀書為例,我地係咪就係因為成績,為左將來而讀書呢?讀書既過程難道係無值得人享受既野咩?與其係咁,倒不如將人類改造成機械人,只須放資料入電腦便明白所有東西,不好嗎?
進步兄,我可能係第一篇既留言過激,亦係因為我才疏學淺而曲解進步兄之意,但我卻覺得熱誠係必須的,既然佢地已經盡左力,我地係咪真係須要有成果先算成功呢?
若然係咁,我想問問小人物,舊生同黃藥師三位朋友,屈原對我地有咩貢獻,有咩成果,我地大概不必再紀念佢,聽日大家唔返學?
再問,文天祥又有貢獻,諸葛亮又有何貢獻,關雲長對我地又有咩貢獻,點解我地都紀念佢地。佢地三個,一,不能助其國家稱霸;二,經常打仗,苟延殘喘,拖長國祚,令戰禍連連,民不聊生。但係點解,點解我地今日仍有不少人紀念佢地,因為佢地既忠心,義氣同埋對民族既熱誠。
唉...同學,「己所不欲,勿施於人」,你地大概唔想比人「一次不忠,百次不用」卦,將心比心,人地有教學熱誠但係可能呢一年教得唔好,何不得饒人處且饒人,比多次機會人呢........
言盡於此,小弟不欲引起罵戰,惟望進步兄多多包涵.............
哈哈哈,一笑而過吧..............................


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