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Date Posted: 14:56:50 08/15/03 Fri
Author: John Scott
Subject: I know, I know, I have not posted here for years. Hiya all! Sorry I have been away, I got lost in living the adventure. Hey I have a question, "Does Hell exist?" If so where? Who goes there? Can it exist in christianity if God is everywhere? I know Heaven exists, I married an Angel. Love you Martina.


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[> Hey John Scott... yes hell exists. It is in a small town in northern South Carolina and right plunk in the middle of it is my ex-husbands house... he is the model prisoner in hell. Seriously. -- Jennifer, 15:58:44 08/15/03 Fri


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[> [> hahahaha Jennifer, how on earth to answer THAT assertion! I cannot argue with you, even without knowing what's new in this summer's visitation adventure. I was going to answer John Scott that hell is a state of mind. That being said, your ex most certainly lives in a hellish state of mind most of his waking hours, as proved by his insistence on thinking of more and varied ways to be hellish. Now the question becomes, should you join him in that state of mind, even though he does as much as he can to bring you there with him, to claim your soul for the demon side? The choice is yours. Heaven or hell. I mean that seriously. -- Lissa, 17:03:09 08/15/03 Fri


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[> [> [> I realized that my dear ol' dad had me in a hellish state of mind only because I ALLOWED it. Nothing about our relationship is different, except for my state of mind, what I allow myself to experience, my perspective. He is no different than he ever was, but thru the years, I have experienced a myriad of emotions simply by changing my perspective of things. I believed it so much at one point that I really thought his evilness was real. But I have come to know that it was as real as I wanted it to be. Make any sense? So whatever ex-man is doing right now, please don't buy into it, even tho your children are most certainly involved. Put all your energy toward focusing that they will return to you safe and sound. Then help them to process their experience so that they don't have to carry around the weight of it. -- Lissa, 17:04:15 08/15/03 Fri


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[> Here is my humble opinion of the subject..... Hell exists as a creation of man, a place we can go in our minds to torture ourselves simply because we are free to experience anything we want since God gave us Free Will. I also have come to believe that it is far more easy for people to think that there is an incarnate being who preys on them and has influence over whether they make "good" or "right" decisions. This is a very convenient way to avoid Personal Responsibility in all areas of life. How easy is that, to be able to say that some mysterious creature with destructive powers is out there messing with our lives? I also believe that Hell is a convenient way for religious powers to keep people in line, by using the threat of such a place along with the denial of the other more pleasant place called heaven. So in short, heaven and hell are states of mind, the perceived experience of which organized religions use to have influence over keeping membership and power. -- Lissa, 17:17:47 08/15/03 Fri


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[> [> The question is... Can the organized religion known as christianity exist without heaven and hell? Also, your questions remind me of John Lennon's song "Imagine." And another thing, this topic of heaven and hell is explored in that excellent movie starring Robin Williams where he finds himself walking through his wives paintings when he dies.... can't think of the name of it right now. OH What Dreams May Come. Good movie. -- Lissa, 17:23:58 08/15/03 Fri


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[> [> Ditto! Well put so I wont bother! -- Jeannine, 01:09:32 08/16/03 Sat


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[> hahahaha Sorry for all the writing, but you got me started on a subject that my brother and I were discussing this weekend, sometimes with our born-again BIL. Needless to say, no one was converted to the other side. Let me ask you this.... A woman lived her life doing wonderful service for fellow womankind and then hit a depression where she ended up killing herself. Did God ignore her entire life of incredible good works just because she ended her own life against his law, or did He show the compassion that He is said to have and allow this one bad decision to slide and thus allow his child to come home to heaven? Is life really like a Mayan game of ball where the losers are sent to their death? Or do we all get a pat on the back at the end of our game because at least we did our best playing? I really wish someone else would please hurry up and post to this so that I can stop having a conversation with myself here. hahahahhaha -- Lissa, 18:27:09 08/15/03 Fri


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[> [> Which book is it? Journey of Souls or Conversations with God...that the suicide departed person has to go over the options he/she could have used, they see the pain they left behind, they LEARN from what happened and from the other choices they could have made etc. OF COURSE we all go to heaven! Thats why its called the Spirit World.God loves us all even the psychopaths (and the DHs Ex wife, who would have no compunction about trying to control heaven too) they all just need the R&R section of heaven to overcome the evil and be re-?programed? not the right word, but thats what I think about it. -- Jeannine, 01:17:59 08/16/03 Sat


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[> Isnīt he a sweetie?*G* Lissa, great words! I agree completely! Funny thing is the contradiction in Christian beliefs again. How can hell exist like that, if God is almighty? The whole concept never made sense to me. And I never met a Christian able to explain cohorently. Too bad we donīt have one here to discuss it without being offending. I just would like to really understand those people. How do they deal with the contradictions of this religion? -- Martina, 05:51:19 08/16/03 Sat


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[> Haha Jennifer, if that were true then Hell would be in Canada with MY ex! lol. Lissa, I think Hell was invented by christians, and the bible states god is pure good, and god is omni-present. So how can god be everywhere and pure good when Hell exists? For hell to exist god can't be everywhere or god can't be pure good. -- John Scott, 07:11:59 08/16/03 Sat


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[> I have to agree mostly with Lissa & Jeannine. Very well said! I do believe that in each life, you pick your life's lesson to learn, whether it's good or bad. I've read there are certain native tribes (can't recall the specific ones, JS you might know more about this) that believe that in the afterlife you end up with people who were like you in your physical life. If you were a good person & did good things, you would end up with those types of people, if you were bad - well I guess that would be a sort of hell in itself. As far as a physical heaven & hell - I definitely think that is an organized religious thot' process of controlling people in their physical lives to some extent. -- Lori, 00:30:49 08/17/03 Sun


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[> Boy this is a hard one to let go! Martina I think you're right too, I have never met any Christians who were able to explain all the discrepancies & contradictions in that religion. I think "Spirit" is everwhere, and is ultimately good but I have to wonder what completely pure means. I think sometimes that evil can be something as simple as a bad choice or as complicated as a whole lifetime of bad choices. Spirit gives us these choices to make and because everyone is different, we make different choices, thus making our own "heaven" or "hell". Somedays I feel like I've made my own hell and other days I feel like I'm in that perfect place - even if it's only for a few moments. Phew! I must have worked out too much tonight. My mind is just mush thinking about all this hahahahahahahahaha -- Lori again, 00:46:55 08/17/03 Sun


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[> I agree about the Christian thing...there are things said like "the fear of God" then "God is Love" How opposite is that! How can God choose those that will rise at the end of the world if he loves us all? How can those people that go to church every sunday be good but on monday beat their wives and kids??? The bible tells of all the bad things God did to the people in a fit of temper...floods, pillars of salt for looking at S&G, the tower of Babel, making all the different languages, granted they are stories someone wanted to teach with, but God striking people dead? I dont think so.... -- Jeannine, 00:59:04 08/17/03 Sun


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[> Married and Angel, awwww what a sweetheart you are! :) :) No, I don't believe in a hell except that which we create for ourselves through our own fear and hate. I believe that all of us when we cross over go to 'heaven' and souls that are troubled get help to heal. -- Linda, 17:41:17 08/18/03 Mon


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[> [> exactly what I think! (incl. that JS is a sweetheart and the best BIL I have! *G*) -- Antje, 05:13:46 08/19/03 Tue


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[> [> [> Thanks for the thoughts and compliments! (ever seen a red man blush? lol) -- John Scott, 14:15:06 08/19/03 Tue


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