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Date Posted: 12:08:16 09/06/03 Sat
Author: Linda
Subject: More on my post below!

Is anyone else having trouble getting the board to load and posting? I've tried several replies to my post below but only one has gone through, I keep getting error messages or the whole page will not load. I'm just going to mix it up all into a reply here. :)

I'm going to quote directly from the book on some things have have stood out for me. For anyone that is not familiar with the Journey of the Souls books (I got the rec here by the way! *G*) it is a Dr/Hypnotherapist that has a lot of experience regressing people into their past lives. But he also discovered that he could take them into the 'life between lives', when they are in the spirit world and making their choices on what kind of life they want to live here - who their parents will be, who their children will be, friends, body type, issues to confront etc. It's really fascinating!

Ok, here is how the book explains the forgetting thing, he is currently in hypnotic regression with one of his clients -

S:When we choose a body and make a plan before coming back to Earth, there is an agreement with our advisors.

Dr. N: AN agreement about what?

S:We agree...not to remember...other lives.

Dr. N: Why?

S: Learning from a blank slate is better than knowing in advance what could happen to you because of what you did before.

Dr. N:But wouldn't knowing about your past life mistakes be valuable in avoiding the same pitfalls in this life?

S: If people knew all about their past, many might pay too much attention to it rather than trying out new approaches to the same problem. The new life must be...taken seriously.

Dr. N:Are there anyo ther reasons?

S: (pause) Without having old memories, our advisors say there is less preoccupation for..trying to...avenge the past...to get even for the wrongs done to you.

Dr. N: Well, it seems ot me that so far this has been part of the motivation and doncust in your life as Hester.

S: (forcefully) That's why I came to you.

Dr. N: And do you still think a total blackout of our eternal spiritual life on Earth is essential to progress?

S: Normally, yes, but it's not a total blackout. We get flashes from dreams...during times of crisis...people have an inner knowing of what direction to take when it is necessary. And sometimes your friends can fudge a little...

Dr. N: By friends, you mean entities from the spirit world?

S: Uh-huh...they give you hints, by flashing ideas - I've done it.

Dr. N: Nevertheless, you had to come to me to unlock your conscious amnesia.

S: (pause) We have...the capacity to know when it is necessary. I was ready for change when I heard about you. Clodees (his spirit guide) allowed me to see in the past with you because it was to my benefit.

Dr. N: Otherwise, your amnesia would have remained intact?

S: Yes, that would have meant I wasn't supposed to know certain things yet.

Doctors notes - In my opinion, when clients are unable to go into hypnosis at any given time, or if they have only sketchy memories in trance, there is a reason for this blockage. this does not mean these people have no past memories, just that they are not ready to have them exposed.

My client knew something was hindering her growth and wanted it revealed. The superconscious identity of the sould houses our tontinuous memory, including goals. when the time in our lives is appropriate, we must harmonize human material needs with our sould's purpose for being here. I try to take a common sense approach in bringing past and presnt experiences into alignment.

Our eternal identity never leaves us alone in the bodies we choose, despite our current status. In reflection, meditation, or prayer, the memories of who we really are do filter down to us in selective thought each day. In small, intuitive ways - through the cloud of amneisa - we are given clues for the justificatin of our being.

After desensitizing the source of her headaches, I completed my session with Hester by reinforcing her choice to be a woman for reasons other than intimidating men. I gave her permission to lower her defenses a little and be less aggressive. We discussed options for restructuring occupational goals toward the helping professions and the possibilities of volunteer service work. She was finally able to see her life today as a great opportujnity for learning rather than a failure at gender choice.

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Ok well, since that was a lot to mull over I'll post another section or two of the books in a seperate post, in a few days. I want to discuss more about a few things that disturbed or upset me so that maybe I can have some outside views on them! I thought the post abive would affirm some of what you all had thought about the forgetting thing. :)

Hugs,

Linda

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[> Itīs indeed hard to get a post placed lately. The board doesnīt open all the way down, it takes an eternity to load and to post. I have that problem with all the Voy.com boards. I hope they will repair that soon. Anyway, interesting post! There are a lot of good books on that. To answer your question below, yes I referred to Oversoul seven, which plainly says it all. I found parts of it in other books, but it all comes always down to whatīs described in there. You should really read it!*g* There are 3 books, but the first is the easiest one. The second is intersting too, because it is more about oversoul seven than about his multiple souls, and the third is complicated, because it explains the time-concept on earth. I admit I didnīt understand all of it. -- Martina, 04:08:12 09/08/03 Mon


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[> Hi Linda, I've also been having trouble getting the board to load for me. Very frustrating. I love reading thise kinds of books because they fascinate me and make such good sense to my mind. I have been fortunate to have a few past life regressions and have been to that space between lives. It's a cool place, very calm and emotionally detached from the drama of life that you can watch like peeking in a window, all while being soaked in the most incredible perfect love. Come inside if you would like to hear one of my stories. It could be true, or it could be something my mind made up, but either way, I was able to learn something about myself. If you please....=====> -- Lissa, 10:20:00 09/10/03 Wed

In this one life I had seen, I had just drowned as a little girl. I had gone out onto a pier to watch my beloved grandfather's fishing boat come home. When he was close enough to see but too far to help, my excitement caused me to not pay attention and I fell off the pier into the weed-tangled water and drowned. I didn't recall the dying part, perhaps because the hypnotist moved me real quick to the part just after death where I could look down on the scene. From there I watched my grandfather going to pieces in grief, but all I could think of was, "I did it!" When the hypnotist asked me what I did, I was able to explain that I had made a deal with this grandfather person to drown like this so that he could experience this deep grief and have the chance to learn from having to forgive himself for something beyond his control. For my part in this pastlife, I was able to experience total unconditional love on earth, untainted by the piling up of years and drama. In this spce between lives, I found myself soaked in the most incredible feeling of Love, so totally encompassing, that I just wanted to rest in it, not even speak. The hypnotist left me there, got up, had a cup of tea, came back, I was still soaking up the love. hahahaha Man, that was tough to have to come out of, but I couldn't live on her couch in this altered state. hahaha
Now that I think of it, my grandfather could also have learned that he could put aside the grief to tap into the love that was still there but in different form. I also recalled being in spirit form and standing in the grandparent's kitchen next to my GF, my feeling full of love for him, but him not being able to get past the grief of it all. I understood that he was choosing to experience the grief so I left him to it, with no judgement of whether that was a 'good' or 'bad' choice, it just 'was'. We were able to meet up again in the afterlife and share the perfect love again.
Now, according to what Linda posted, we are allowed to see only those things that will help explain things. At the time I had had this PLRegression, a few things were going on. One event that had affected me deeply was that my young niece had almost drowned at a birthday party where all the adults were busy with the party and my niece had fallen in the pool. (she was about 3 and told of laying on the bottom of the pool where her dead grandmother was with her and very mad. hahaha She was saved after another little girl walked over to the adults and calmly said, "God told me to tell you that Samantha is drowning." *G*) Hearing the story shook me up terribly and I wondered why. I was seeing this woman anyway and when I showed up for my session, she offered that we do a PLR. Having had this PLR made other things in my life a little clearer for me. One was to explain why I have never been fond of swimming, especially if there were lots of weeds in the water. I remember as a teen, we were at a lake where the swimming spot consisted of jumping off a rock into water where you could see the tall grass waving under the surface of the water. I not only froze on the spot and refused to go in, I ran in the other direction. hahaha Now I know why. My mother had told me that when I was a baby, she would take us all to the beach and I would sit on the blanket, look out at the water and cry, especially if my mother went swimming! haha All my childhood, I only went in water if I could keep my feet on the ground. Swimming in deep water was difficult because I would tense up in fear, breathing all wrong, certainly not in the relaxed state necessary for successful swimming. For me to be able to re-experience this past-life where I had drowned in weedy water helped to explain alot of little things in my current life. One of those understandings is that I don't need to fear that I WILL drown, but rather that I HAD drowned. This certainly takes a load off my mind and allows me to relax enough to finally learn how to swim.
Another interesting aspect of this PLR is in knowing that my grandfather in that life is one of my daughters in this life. It was funny, seeing an older man but knowing that the soul was the same as my daughter. Not sure how exactly to explain that other than that it was a recognition, I just knew. It's not the face you recognize but the essence of the person. My dd at the time was about 1yr old, I think. When she was born, I had already felt a deep connection to her, but now here was a memory for me of why I felt that connection.
There are a couple of interesting things to note about this connection. One is that she totally flips out when my youngest gets too close to the edge of a pier when we are near the ocean or other water body. I have control over the little one, of course not letting the possibility of harm come her way, but my older dd will be frantic with fear and accusation that I am not holding her back enough, screaming at me that I don't care. I have explained the basics of this story to her in a moment of calm, away from the water's edge, but I am not sure she believes me. She still likes her drama. *G* I'm having a hard time convincing her that it is possible to still participate in drama without having to feel like it is real.
Anyway, the other interesting thing is in regards to our relationship in this life. She has always been one to test limits and push the edges of disregard. During a deep meditation once, I had asked why she and I should have such butting of heads when we had had this wonderful experience of perfect unconditional love. The answer was along the lines of saying that now that we are sure of the presence of unconditional love and what that feels like, we can test the boundaries of that. She doesn't test them in harmful ways, she just always tests them in annoying little ways. Knowing what I know from this PLR, whether it was a true event or just a story my mind made up, helps me to relax and be patient and resting in Love when I deal with her. No judgement. I refuse to believe the dramas are real and just let her play them out, letting her know when she is getting too disregarding for the feelings of others. I can see her still needing to not take things personal when stuff happens that she has no control over. It's all so very interesting.
So, One little story, so much to think on, so many layers. Imagine how many of these little stories we have in our subconscious awareness. Fascinating.


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[> Hi Linda, I've also been having trouble getting the board to load for me. Very frustrating. I love reading thise kinds of books because they fascinate me and make such good sense to my mind. I have been fortunate to have a few past life regressions and have been to that space between lives. It's a cool place, very calm and emotionally detached from the drama of life that you can watch like peeking in a window, all while being soaked in the most incredible perfect love. Come inside if you would like to hear one of my stories. It could be true, or it could be something my mind made up, but either way, I was able to learn something about myself. If you please....=====> -- Lissa, 10:21:31 09/10/03 Wed

In this one life I had seen, I had just drowned as a little girl. I had gone out onto a pier to watch my beloved grandfather's fishing boat come home. When he was close enough to see but too far to help, my excitement caused me to not pay attention and I fell off the pier into the weed-tangled water and drowned. I didn't recall the dying part, perhaps because the hypnotist moved me real quick to the part just after death where I could look down on the scene. From there I watched my grandfather going to pieces in grief, but all I could think of was, "I did it!" When the hypnotist asked me what I did, I was able to explain that I had made a deal with this grandfather person to drown like this so that he could experience this deep grief and have the chance to learn from having to forgive himself for something beyond his control. For my part in this pastlife, I was able to experience total unconditional love on earth, untainted by the piling up of years and drama. In this spce between lives, I found myself soaked in the most incredible feeling of Love, so totally encompassing, that I just wanted to rest in it, not even speak. The hypnotist left me there, got up, had a cup of tea, came back, I was still soaking up the love. hahahaha Man, that was tough to have to come out of, but I couldn't live on her couch in this altered state. hahaha
Now that I think of it, my grandfather could also have learned that he could put aside the grief to tap into the love that was still there but in different form. I also recalled being in spirit form and standing in the grandparent's kitchen next to my GF, my feeling full of love for him, but him not being able to get past the grief of it all. I understood that he was choosing to experience the grief so I left him to it, with no judgement of whether that was a 'good' or 'bad' choice, it just 'was'. We were able to meet up again in the afterlife and share the perfect love again.
Now, according to what Linda posted, we are allowed to see only those things that will help explain things. At the time I had had this PLRegression, a few things were going on. One event that had affected me deeply was that my young niece had almost drowned at a birthday party where all the adults were busy with the party and my niece had fallen in the pool. (she was about 3 and told of laying on the bottom of the pool where her dead grandmother was with her and very mad. hahaha She was saved after another little girl walked over to the adults and calmly said, "God told me to tell you that Samantha is drowning." *G*) Hearing the story shook me up terribly and I wondered why. I was seeing this woman anyway and when I showed up for my session, she offered that we do a PLR. Having had this PLR made other things in my life a little clearer for me. One was to explain why I have never been fond of swimming, especially if there were lots of weeds in the water. I remember as a teen, we were at a lake where the swimming spot consisted of jumping off a rock into water where you could see the tall grass waving under the surface of the water. I not only froze on the spot and refused to go in, I ran in the other direction. hahaha Now I know why. My mother had told me that when I was a baby, she would take us all to the beach and I would sit on the blanket, look out at the water and cry, especially if my mother went swimming! haha All my childhood, I only went in water if I could keep my feet on the ground. Swimming in deep water was difficult because I would tense up in fear, breathing all wrong, certainly not in the relaxed state necessary for successful swimming. For me to be able to re-experience this past-life where I had drowned in weedy water helped to explain alot of little things in my current life. One of those understandings is that I don't need to fear that I WILL drown, but rather that I HAD drowned. This certainly takes a load off my mind and allows me to relax enough to finally learn how to swim.
Another interesting aspect of this PLR is in knowing that my grandfather in that life is one of my daughters in this life. It was funny, seeing an older man but knowing that the soul was the same as my daughter. Not sure how exactly to explain that other than that it was a recognition, I just knew. It's not the face you recognize but the essence of the person. My dd at the time was about 1yr old, I think. When she was born, I had already felt a deep connection to her, but now here was a memory for me of why I felt that connection.
There are a couple of interesting things to note about this connection. One is that she totally flips out when my youngest gets too close to the edge of a pier when we are near the ocean or other water body. I have control over the little one, of course not letting the possibility of harm come her way, but my older dd will be frantic with fear and accusation that I am not holding her back enough, screaming at me that I don't care. I have explained the basics of this story to her in a moment of calm, away from the water's edge, but I am not sure she believes me. She still likes her drama. *G* I'm having a hard time convincing her that it is possible to still participate in drama without having to feel like it is real.
Anyway, the other interesting thing is in regards to our relationship in this life. She has always been one to test limits and push the edges of disregard. During a deep meditation once, I had asked why she and I should have such butting of heads when we had had this wonderful experience of perfect unconditional love. The answer was along the lines of saying that now that we are sure of the presence of unconditional love and what that feels like, we can test the boundaries of that. She doesn't test them in harmful ways, she just always tests them in annoying little ways. Knowing what I know from this PLR, whether it was a true event or just a story my mind made up, helps me to relax and be patient and resting in Love when I deal with her. No judgement. I refuse to believe the dramas are real and just let her play them out, letting her know when she is getting too disregarding for the feelings of others. I can see her still needing to not take things personal when stuff happens that she has no control over. It's all so very interesting.
So, One little story, so much to think on, so many layers. Imagine how many of these little stories we have in our subconscious awareness. Fascinating.


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[> [> I wonder if it is considered being Karma as well, all those "hangups" we bring over from a past existence. -- Martina, 05:14:20 09/11/03 Thu


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[> [> Lissa, how fascinating!!! It sounds to me as if you were lead to this woman to take you through this regression to help you cope with some issues in your life, which you are doing so well. I'm so happy for you that you were able to have this experience and learn from it. That's wonderful!! Thanks so much for sharing. :) Oh and in this book there are other patients under hypnosis that will recgonize a child or a friend in this life as someone they knew in another. In one case a person's guide incarnated as their child to help them through a difficult lifetime. Fascinating! -- Linda, 17:21:19 09/11/03 Thu


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[> Wow Lissa I have goosebumps after reading that story. That's amazing. I want to have a PLR done so bad. I just need to find the time. I have glimpses of what I feel are from past lives. Things pop up out of no where that I know I didn't learn before but now I just "know about them"?? I have visions - awake but in kind of a trance like stage (I daydream constantly without even realizing it most of the time) and when I snap out of it, I can recall very minute details of something I've never seen or heard or felt or, get this - smelled!! I can't wait to get a PLR done. This is truly fascinating stuff! I don't know anyone who does PLR's - do you know how to tell who is reputable and for real?? Any help would be appreciated! -- Lori, 18:51:45 09/10/03 Wed


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[> I have a story too..... -- Martina, 05:08:28 09/11/03 Thu

I had one of those regressions as well. Itīs long ago, and I almost forgot about it, haha.
It was done without hypnosis. I was just in a very calm state, like meditating. I could hear my surroundings, birds singing, cars passing by. Only my mind was somewhere else.
The guy lead me walking through high grass. I had to try and feel the damp grass under bare feet. I did. It was very graphic. He told me there is a wooden cabin and I shall describe it. I had to go in, and describe it again. There was a door in the floor, and I opened the lit. A dark stairway lead down into the dark. I said I canīt see a damn thing. He said, well, there is a light switch right beside me. So I switched on the light. I described again what I saw. Then he said there is a door in one corner. How does it look like? It was a heavy wooden door, and I wasnīt able to open it. He then “materialized” a key for me.
I opened the door and it was dark again. He gave me a meglight, haha. Okay, so then I saw a tunnel and walked through it, until he said there is a light at the end. I saw the light then. He explained when I get out of this tunnel I will be standing in one of my past lives, which is somehow important to me to look at.
I came out and didnīt see anything but light. He told me to look around and describe. Suddenly I was in a huge dining room. It looked ancient. I was a young dark haired woman, in medieval clothes. I walked around the dining chairs, obviously struggling to breathe! I arrived just at the moment I was going to die!
I panicked and couldnīt breathe any more, in real life!
He told me to calm down, to just LOOK at it, not feeling it again.
That worked.
I told the guy that I knew someone had poisoned me and I was going to choke. He then lead me away from there, and I was back in the tunnel again, going home.
He didnīt resolve the problem of the past, just let me look at it.
Afterwards I felt strange. I had deeply felt that woman was ME. Weird.

I have had issues with breath struggles. When I was a teenager I would hyperventilate lots, thinking I will choke any minute. Later I almost died on a crumb of a bun in my throat. There was a colleague who hit me on the back until I could breathe again. He saved my life, I am sure of it, because there was no one else in the office, and I began to see black spots, totally unable to inhale.

At another time I took too much of a painkiller and ended up having troubles to breathe. I thought this was the end….

Since then nothing happened any more. Some years ago I had a kineolosogy session and was able to release that issue. I have no fear of choking any more. Thatīs what the regression guy should have done back then. But it wasnīt a paid session, it was only "playing" with it, because I knew the guy.


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[> [> That's why it is important to be with someone who can finish with what they started, helping you to deal with what comes up. Also, I was not hypnotised but rather as you say in a relaxed state with someone giving a guided meditation. I was in complete control. I believe I was riding on a cloud *G* and it was up to me to "land" at a place of my choice. It's probably very easy for anyone to have a guided meditation to get back to viewing a past life, but as you say, it's also nice to have the person guide you thru whatever you might be experiencing. Otherwise, you could get caught up in the drama of it again, rather than remembering that you are just viewing something. If that makes any sense. -- Lissa, 10:44:52 09/11/03 Thu


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[> [> [> Makes perfect sense to me. I know that now, but back then I was only 20 or so, and experienced fearless with all kinds of spiritual stuff, haha. -- Martina, 04:25:07 09/12/03 Fri


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[> [> [> [> EXPERIMENTED I wanted to say... geesh. -- Martina, 04:26:21 09/12/03 Fri


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[> [> Martina, I too have a phobia about breathing! I'm always paranoid that I something will effect my breathing, I can't even wear turtleneck shirts because they are too tight around the neck. Very interesting! I wish I could release this fear, maybe sometime I will find someone that can help me do it. -- Linda, 17:25:25 09/11/03 Thu


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[> [> [> Oh yes, the turtlenecks. I canīt stand them either. Linda, all you need it to mention that wish of yours (which you just did*g*) and one day the right person will show up to help you with this. -- Martina, 04:23:29 09/12/03 Fri


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[> [> [> [> And dont be surprised if you get your wish in a way you had never expected. I had held the wish for Reiki attunements for what seemed like a long time. Then I met some wonderful people online and trips to Germany started to take solid form in my life. Getting your wish can be fun! -- Lissa, 14:24:35 09/12/03 Fri


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[> [> [> [> I didn't know that Martina, lucky me! I look forward to it then. :) -- Linda, 12:21:42 09/14/03 Sun


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