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Date Posted: 02:20:52 06/30/03 Mon
Author: billstoddard
Subject: Details Are Pesky Only When They're Not Needed. What Law Requires One To Pay The "Income Tax"?
In reply to: "Vince From Villanova" (Geez, work with me here...) 's message, "I replied to the wrong message. In Bill Stoddard's "Code Index" post, he said he'd found mentions of the penalties attached to other tax laws. I was asking him to provide THOSE code numbers so that we could see what to look for exactly." on 03:18:32 06/28/03 Sat

Vince, the exact Internal Revenue Code statutes that create liabilities for, and penalties for nonpayment of, taxes OTHER than "Income" are of no concern here. I don't argue the point that they do exist because they do. The point is that there are NO similar penalties or requirements listed in the Internal Revenue Code index in connection with "Income Taxes".

Basically, there are NO Internal Revenue Code sections that REQUIRE one to FILE an "Income Tax" return, or to PAY an "Income Tax". Additionally, the word "income" is not defined in the IR Code either.

Of course if that's incorrect, then I'm sure you can use some of those "pesky" little details that you may have at your disposal to prove me wrong.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> It's a simple request: if you can give me specific examples of penalty provisions for other taxes, then I'll know what to look for in the income tax statutes. I'm not trying to argue with you; I'm asking you for more information. Why not give it to me? You seem more interested in demagoguing this issue than in actually changing anyone's minds. Notice that you haven't convinced anyone yet with your current methods? That might be a sign to try a different tactic. -- "Vince From Villanova" (If it doesn't work, don't keep doing it.), 21:10:59 06/30/03 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You're Missing The Point, Vince! -- billstoddard, 00:08:47 07/01/03 Tue

The details of the statutes that provide filing requirements for, and payment of, these other taxes are unimportant because I haven't questioned their existence or validity. What's important here is that by comparison, I cannot provide you similar statutes that provide filing requirements for, or payment of, "Income Taxes" because they do not exist! IRS employees and government attorneys cannot show them to you either for the same reason! The banning of Mr. Schiff's book has occured because of what he has written about the "INCOME" Tax, but not these "other" taxes.

They have claimed that Irwin Schiff has broken the "law" by teaching details he has uncovered regarding the "Income Tax" in his book "The Federal Mafia", though they cite no proof of his alleged malefaction. It's rather interesting to me that you don't ask for proof of the GOVERNMENT'S claims instead!

It's also interesting that the abridgement of Mr. Schiff's First Amendment rights to free speech by our government, which was the original point of this thread of messages, doesn't seem to bother you, particularly that as a former talk radio host (if you really were), the same criminal disregard of the First Amendment provisions of the Constitution by the US government could be brought to bear against YOU as well, if the government decides that you have said something they don't like, or hadn't you considered that?

BTW, a "demagogue" is a "person who tries to stir up the people by appeals to emotion, prejudice, etc, in order to win them over quickly and so gain power."

I'm not trying to gain "power" over anyone. I have nothing to sell. I'm not calling anyone names. I'm not being emotional, and I'm not appealing to any prejudice! I merely stated the events concerning Mr. Schiff and the unlawful suppression of his book.

Vince, do you file an "Income Tax Return"? Do you pay an "Income Tax"? If you do , who told you to? Did you ever ask to see proof that you were required to pay the "Income Tax"? If you didn't, then how do you know that you are supposed to?

If you can point to a statute that makes Americans LIABLE for an "Income Tax", why not cite it for us? Better yet, as per Mr. Schiff's challenge to the lawyers at the Toledo Law School (see http://www.paynoincometax.com), why not cite the statute for Mr. Schiff and collect $50K?


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I give up. If you want to convince someone of something, and they ask you for more information, the standard response is to give them that information. Your continued refusal to do so has convinced me of nothing, except for this: you're more interested in watching yourself type than you are in winning anyone over on this issue. -- "Vince From Villanova" (Questions are meant to be answered.), 08:07:18 07/01/03 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> They believe your questions can be answered by buying Schiff's book first. This push to sell someone's book is probably more of a scam that possibly paying income tax. -- Law Abiding Tax Paying Citizen, 10:03:27 07/01/03 Tue


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