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• Philadelphia Auto Insurance Rates -- USAGIJOE Yes it's me!!, 20:51:52 08/06/03 Wed
  Greetings talk radio nerds, it's me USAGIJOE back to ask you a question. A friend of mine who lives in the Philadelphia area is changing his auto insurance company. It seems his wife was in an accident last year, which was not her fault, and his rates skyrocketed. Since I am not from the area I told him I would ask the experts, the talk radio nerds. I remember one advertiser on WWDB who was always on Irv's show but I forgot their name. They always advertised, send for the free booklet on "What to do if you are in an accident." Any information would be helpful. Your replies may also be useful to other posters on this board who live in Pa. So the question is, Who Has The Best Rates? Thanks for your help. Hey Surf, how about an update on the old WWDB radio hosts gang, "Where are they today."
  

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  • A law firm called Hielechman and Mogul (mispelled). They, I think, are really for post accident litigation, not rates. Contact any independant agent, then the major companies for best rates, takes time to find out. (NT) -- Surf, 19:00:16 08/07/03 Thu

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• Rollye's rollout coming soon. -- "Vince From Villanova" (Hoping for an Orlando or Melbourne affiliate), 02:12:12 07/18/03 Fri
  Rollye James's website (www.rollye.net) has yet another cryptic update about her upcoming national rollout. Mainly it just promises more info coming soon, but it does mention San Francisco will be part of the rollout. You go, girl!
  

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  • The official announcement is now on Rollye's site. Syndication starts Monday on several terrestrial affiliates and (soon) XM Satellite Radio. The show will feed from 10P to 1A, so PHT's got some schedule issues to work. (NT) -- Scott "Tilde News" - where a terrorist is called a terrorist, 18:24:21 08/01/03 Fri
    • "Rollye starts her syndicated show tonight at 10pm. WPHT won't carry the full show. O'Reilly... 10 to midnight." Join in with me, kids P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C, but predictable. WPHT, you suck. Couldn't lose another hour of that paragon of integrity, George Noory for one of your locals gone national, huh? Can't wait for XM satellite radio to start Rollye. Who really needs PHT anyway? (NT) -- Scott "Terrestrial Radio - Who Needs It?" Tilde, 22:40:03 08/04/03 Mon
      • What's truly pathetic is the way some of you fawn over this broad like smitten little puppies. Why some of you think she's going to succeed at this go at syndication when the last one failed is not the sign of people who say they know this radio business. O'Reilly is Rush Limbaugh in comparison. At least O'Reilly has an accomplished journalistic background and a successful Tv show on this resume. The same can't be said for Ms. James. She knows old records. BFD. (NT) -- Michael O'Donaghue, 02:00:46 08/06/03 Wed
        • Okay, Michael, how many markets have you been #1 in? Rollye has a proven track record doing local talk radio in markets all across the country, and I've seen her listed before in Talkers magazine's "Heavy Hundred" article. She does late nights in Philly because she likes to, but there are PD's out there who might commit homicide to get her into afternoon drive on their station. Next time you want to slag someone, try doing a little research first. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Facts, not fawning.), 07:00:06 08/06/03 Wed
          • Vince, don't even bother with this guy. It's the same gutless loser Surf was telling you about last week. He's so brave he has to randomize his IP addy each time he posts but we already all know who he is. (NT) -- Kalindy (Admin), 14:32:48 08/06/03 Wed
            • Oh, but it's so much fun bothering with this guy. :) Heh... kinda funny that the same guy who was so determined to prove me a liar (despite the fact that I've never hidden my radio history) is so afraid to show his face. Makes ya wonder who has something to hide... me or him? (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (a.k.a. Vince Young... release the hounds!), 20:36:50 08/06/03 Wed
  • Rollye -- Captn Hank, 23:15:16 08/04/03 Mon
    • What an unexpected reply from Hank!! (NT) -- Clyde, 01:18:32 08/05/03 Tue
      • Reply.... -- Captn Hank, 07:48:50 08/05/03 Tue

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• Local Talk & Local Cartoonist coverage -- Alex C, 20:43:42 08/04/03 Mon
  I've been out of town, and haven't listened to local talk lately. Has this http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=7729_Echoes_of_Nazism
  been discussed by any local talk host?
  It's a cartoon drawn by the Inquirer's Tom Auth. It was pretty harsh when seen on it's own. But when compared to 1930's Nazi propaganda, it looks, ahem, "coincidental".
  

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  • Wow! That's some observation. Auth has always been a knee-jerk liberal, but so are the majority of political cartoonists. Auth has stepped way over the line this time. I am going to copy your post to the Politics and Opinion board. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 21:21:24 08/04/03 Mon

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• Ann Ivory's New Show -- Steve Bryant, 12:32:25 07/31/03 Thu
  I want to thank Surf for posting the audio file for Ann Ivory’s new show on WNJC. In today’s world of homogenized, sanitized-for-your-protection, right-wing claptrap radio (no strong opinions here), I think all of us who enjoy talk radio are delighted to hear something different.
  
  I do hope the show continues and possibly catches on for syndication. It reminded me a bit of The Satellite Sisters (if they were all in one studio). That’s the halcyon days of The Satellite Sisters on NPR, not the current watered-down ABC version.
  
  This being said, I have some observations: Ann and company’s first show was more than a little loose. If they rehearsed or prepped a great deal, it didn’t show. The first few seconds of a show, especially a new show, are crucial. If I had been a casual listener, I most likely would have dismissed it as a small-market, pay-for-play production.
  
  In these days where everyone is denouncing the evils of “Corporate Radio,” non-corporate radio has to be better-than-good…all the time. I think most of us would love nothing more than to see a local team of broadcasters succeed beyond the wildest dreams of Glenn Beck, Dr. Laura and all the other big money syndicated shows.
  
  Obviously, Ann is an experienced broadcaster. Her partners do a nice job as well, when they’re not stepping all over one another. This show needs serious tightening and better focus if it is going to succeed. Time and time again, I hear a local radio show debut with high hopes of national syndication. Usually, it’s 2 or more people who spend more time driving to the station than prepping their show. It usually fails rather quickly.
  
  I know for the fill-in spots I do on WDEL, I spend 3-4 hours prepping for 1 hour on-air. (Okay, so maybe I’m slow.) If Ann and her co-hosts spent a great deal of time getting ready for their debut it didn’t show in the audio file Surf posted.
  
  I love it when someone succeeds in this crazy business. Especially if that someone does it on their own without a Premier, Talk America or other big syndicator behind them. Granted, if they are really successful, they might eventually be syndicated by one of the big services. Still, they would have initially made it outside the “big money shield” of a large corporation.
  
  Like most, I cringe when I hear what passes for talent on many “big” national shows. (Is Liddy still reading the paper? Can Glenn Beck have his named screamed out a few more times each hour?...I must have missed that one in “Imaging 101.”)
  
  If “Midnight Dish” is the new name of their show (providing no one else has it already), they have a great title. I hope the show can live up to it.
  

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  • I wouldn't worry about early show missteps, Steve. WNJC has no measurable listenership. Ann can use this gig as a warmup to finding a better outlet. (NT) -- Scott Tilde, 01:31:55 08/03/03 Sun
    • Not worried, Scott, I just want to see an "indie" project make it for a change. I received a nice email from Ann saying that they were "thrown" on-the-air with only 24 hours notice. I hope she sends new audio to Surf so we can all hear the improvement. (Too many times, an independent radio project fails because no one speaks up until it IS on a measurable station. Then it's too late.) (NT) -- Steve Bryant, 12:34:16 08/03/03 Sun

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• WPHT Changes -- Insider, 21:04:22 07/14/03 Mon
  Get ready for the changes coming to WPHT. Imus is history, to be replaced by Smerconish and Sean Hannity will be carried in afternoons. Just a few weeks to this. Stay tuned.
  

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  • Changes -- Captn Hank, 21:22:14 07/14/03 Mon
  • Ok... I'll bite.... Smerconish in mornings... well I will be torn between him and Curtis and Kuby, who have grown on me. However, like many on this board, I am leery of "insider" claims. Surf, heard anything you can reveal??? (NT) -- Sam (Bucks County), 22:50:21 07/14/03 Mon
    • Well this kind of posts pops up every few months or so. There IS some chatter but nothing firm. Imus is well protected by Karmizan who just resigned with Viacom. To replace him they would have to show a dramatic increase in revenue for that time slot. Still would be very hard to do. (NT) -- Surf, 14:13:38 07/16/03 Wed
      • Sounds like bad intel to me. It wasn't that long ago that 'insiders' were claiming that Katz was in line to replace Imus. ( British intelligence STILL maintains that's true!) (NT) -- Rockford, 15:21:13 07/16/03 Wed
  • Hannity is horrible. What ever happened to Michael Medved? He did the most intelligent and informative talk show I ever heard, which isn't saying much, but he was better than Hannity. Maybe Smerconish will get back to local issues and stop trying to con us into thinking he knows a thing about international affairs. (NT) -- Anton Geesnick, 00:29:25 07/15/03 Tue
    • I disagree with you on Hannity. I prefer him to Smerconish. He comes off to me as pretty cocky, and lousy on national issues. For what it's worth, Medved is on WFIL.(nt) (NT) -- Alex C, 00:33:29 08/03/03 Sun
  • Yes, I too am listening to WABC's C&K in AM and the Han Man in afternoons, but Hannety was getting boring with his self promoted concert at Great Adv. (NT) -- Vic, 11:48:14 07/15/03 Tue
  • The changes would certainly make sense. Having a high-rated local talker for the busiest timeslot of the day is smart-thinking, and it's hard to go wrong with the #1 and #2 syndicated hosts in the nation back-to-back. But, it is yet another "insider" post, so I'm skeptical. If it comes true, I'll flag this guy's IP address and consider him legit, but otherwise... if you're not really on the inside, just shut up and go away, okay? (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Time will tell...), 16:09:01 07/15/03 Tue
    • Whoops, forgot this board doesn't flag IP addresses. Darn. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Ah well...), 16:11:13 07/15/03 Tue
      • Actually it does but they are hidden from public view. Nobody will post from inside PHT any more becuase those were the most vile, harsh, viscous, troublemaking posts and I've banned most of those IPs. Historically speaking the most trouble I have had came from radio people, NOT listeners. (NT) -- Surf, 14:11:05 07/16/03 Wed
        • Yeah, if I were in radio right now, I'd be pretty bitter too. Well, terrestrial radio anyway. (NT) -- Tilde - now listening to Hannity crystal clear on XM Satellite Radio, 16:34:45 07/18/03 Fri
  • I heard there was a Grace sighting at the Hannity Freedom Concert this past week. Sources say she was hanging with Neal Boortz. Hmmm... (NT) -- Someone Who Knows, 14:18:52 07/16/03 Wed

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• Just an Observation -- Love that Radio!, 17:36:58 07/30/03 Wed
  Maybe its just me, but does anyone ever think that those who yell the loudest and longest about how radio is now safe, predictable and nonthreatening and how radio is totally beholden to corporate interests have, in reality, become the very things they most despise?
  
  Think about it, this board has BECOME radio ... think of all the parallels. I certainly can think of many. Compare what Mike Missanelli wrote about his problems at WIP in a recent Daily News op ed peice with the way stuff is deleted here to protect certain "interests".
  
  And just like the contemptutous attitude in the radio biz, the webmaster will tell us to "tune" elsewhere if we don't like it. Not the way to maintain a loyal customer base, is it? But who are the customers here? The posters or the corporate figures being coddled and protected from harsh comment?
  
  Maybe this has something to do with the fact that readership has dropped off here, much in the same way listenership has dropped off in the radio biz.
  
  Predictable, boring, and nonthreatening. Sound familiar, anyone?
  
  Man, do the ironies abound!
  

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  • As a regular contributor here, I strongly disagree. I have taken on most all “sacred cows” in the market on this board. I was not deleted, not once. But I could have been and I understand that. It’s Surf’s time and money that created and continue to maintain this site. It’s his ass that will be sued. We’ll just trot over to Radio–Info when he shuts down after selling his computer to help pay the legal bills. Want absolute freedom? Get your own site! (NT) -- Steve Bryant, 19:13:45 07/30/03 Wed
    • I have to disagree with you, Mr. Bryant.... -- Pepe, 20:41:10 07/30/03 Wed
      • What a brave poster you are, Pepe! You're just the kind of BB “denizen” Surf is talking about. Got any guts? Use your real name. The only posts Surf ever removed about me were libelous, malicious lies. Again, that’s his right. Got the balls to use your real name? I didn't think so. (NT) -- Steve Bryant, 21:15:50 07/30/03 Wed
  • What "interest" are you talking about? You, and people like you, don't have a clue. You all want to post anything without saying who you are and leave the lawsuits to drop in my lap. Provide your VALID identity and the floor is yours. (NT) -- Surf, 19:39:46 07/30/03 Wed
    • It's very strange that person who doesn't ever use their own real name shouldn't demand it of others. You need to learn the lette rof the law. You can call a public figure most anything and get away with it. Talk radio does it all day. Why do you think what's on a BBS would be any different. Some people cry "I'll sue" like some people give the finger. It's a meaningless and empty gesture. (NT) -- Pepe, 23:32:28 07/30/03 Wed
      • First SURF is a handle, not an anon identity. Second anybody CAN sue for anything, it;s the GETTING SUED part that is a waste of my time. Third I DON'T demand to know who you are, just don't assume complete ability to use this forum as you want without liability. (NT) -- Surf, 01:40:54 07/31/03 Thu
    • It's very strange that one who never uses their own real name should demand it from others. You need to learn the letter of the law. You can call a public figure most anything and get away with it. Talk radio does it all day. Why do you think what's on a BBS would be any different. Some people cry "I'll sue" like some people give the finger. It's a meaningless and empty gesture. Just like Dick Sprague's suit against Eskin. (NT) -- Pepe, 23:36:50 07/30/03 Wed
    • C'mon Surf, Pepe's right. -- Frank Burns (since you like real names), 23:49:55 07/30/03 Wed
      • I need to get better legal advice? Who is going to pay for that and WHY should I get a lawyer just so people like YOU can post what you want? Nuff said. (NT) -- Surf, 01:38:12 07/31/03 Thu
      • One problem with the legal system is that, although no lawyer might actually win a case like that, there are too many who are more than happy to take their clients money to try, forcing the poor schmuk on the other side to hire his own lawyer, who makes a lot of money out of it too. If you are sued, you lose, whether there is a case or not. Both lawyers win. Were I in Surf's position, and my hobby got me into legal trouble, I would get another hobby. Not worth it. (NT) -- Sam (Bucks County), 07:28:20 07/31/03 Thu
  • To anyone who doesn't like how Surf chooses to run his own website, I have two websites for you to check out: www.geocities.com and www.voy.com. It's his website. Don't like it? Go make one that's better than his. Hell, maybe I'll check it out too. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (a.k.a. Vince Young, but you already knew that), 01:31:48 07/31/03 Thu
  • Just an observation. The poster and Pepe are the same person and the IP matches abuse from the past. This does contain some general useful information for the readers as a whole but the discusion is no longer worth debating and closed (NT) -- Surf, 01:47:39 07/31/03 Thu

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• WPHT's new Saturday 4PM host -- draker, 18:23:28 07/05/03 Sat
  I was wondering if anyone heard the new talker this afternoon and what you thought of him.
  

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  • Pretty awful! Didn’t anyone work with him before the show? He was all over the place. Sounded like he wanted to be a shock jock at times. He baited the audience on some issues like a 70’s talk host. Difficult to understand at times as well. He “tilted” at some pretty silly windmills. If Kelvin was the best, God help us all if Numbers 2 or 3 get a shift. Don’t think Beck, Doyle, Smerconish and Blazer will be serious competition for the likes of Walter Sabo, et al. (NT) -- Pseudonyms Uck...but maybe the next "Big Talker" should use one., 19:50:35 07/05/03 Sat
  • These contests prove that for every Irv Homer that's discovered you get 100 examples of what you listened to Saturday afternoon. It was vulgar and bad radio to boot. (NT) -- Bogey, 22:43:30 07/06/03 Sun
  • Vulgar; that really sums it up, Bogey. With some of the intelligent posters on this board, many of whom I’m sure called the audition line, I’m amazed at the poor quality of the 5 finalists. Top Ten Reasons notwithstanding, I think Surf, Vince, Dave C., Rockford, you and many others here would have been an interesting choice. Obviously, no professionals made it to the final 5, unless someone from WURD used a pseudonym. You know, that almost makes sense. (NT) -- Pseudonyms Uck, 10:24:54 07/07/03 Mon
    • I'm actually in Florida now (hence the quote marks around my name), though I'm flattered by your suggestion. :) However, I think the whole point of their promotion was to find some raw talent from among the regular folks of the rank-and-file audience and give them a shot. It can work... I enjoyed Birdsong's run on WDBO here in Orlando. But most of the time, the search for raw talent can leave you remembering that you're not supposed to eat raw oysters either. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (My goose is cooked, thank you.), 01:54:46 07/10/03 Thu
  • PHT -- Anne, 13:25:20 07/07/03 Mon
  • Look at the bright side. If it was August there would be five Saturdays. (NT) -- Surf - My topic - Herring Sandwiches, love em, hate em?, 16:27:12 07/07/03 Mon
    • Hate 'em. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Eating crow, on the other hand... yum!), 01:56:29 07/10/03 Thu
  • Sad, very sad. What a joke! Although I'm sure he hates working on Saturday, Dom G. had settled into a fun and entertaining 4 hours of solid talk. Now we have 3 solid hours and 1 hour that's all squishy and loose...a sort of verbal and mental diarrhea. How about a contest to pick the next Big Talker Program Director? Looks like the current one is about to "fall from grace." (NT) -- Not THE NEXT Big Talker, 13:11:36 07/08/03 Tue
    • QUESTION: So what do you call it when Kelvin does his guest spot on "It's Your Call with Lynne Doyle?" ANSWER: "Dumb and Dumber, Part 3." (NT) -- Comcast Executive Wannabe, 22:27:04 07/10/03 Thu
  • I'm surprised this didn't get a lot more replies than the "pay no income tax" thread. I guess WPHT has done so many ridiculous, pointless promotions that another one is no big deal. He stunk, that's the Reader's Digest version. By the way, I applied those "pay no income tax" strategies to every aspect of my life. Hey, I get two hours of Internet privileges in here every week. And my wife Bubba understands my addiction to talk radio. Sweet! (NT) -- "Number 47 Said To Number 3...", 13:55:46 07/10/03 Thu
  • What was it that Glenn Beck said about this contest? Oh yes, "AGONIZING !!!!! They SUCKED, only some less so than others." Pretty much on the money I'd say. 1210, dial up 1-800-DB-CLONE, for you "Non Spellers" that's ...... (NT) -- Mia, 14:33:43 07/10/03 Thu
  • Dang it's hard to talk on radio..... -- Sam (Bucks County), 22:20:16 07/12/03 Sat
  • Kelvin The Winner -- Gayle, 23:16:56 07/26/03 Sat
  • WPHT SUBSTITUTE -- KEH, 17:05:00 07/27/03 Sun

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• Rollie james -- joeseph, 10:46:20 07/26/03 Sat
  Does anyone know what happend to Rollie james? God knows the old art bell show or whatever it is called now sucks.
  

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  • Rollye -- Captn Hank, 10:53:42 07/26/03 Sat
  • First of all, you'll probably want to bookmark Rollye's website: http://www.rollye.net, and she spells it with a Y, not an I. ;) She's finalizing details of her upcoming return to national syndication, and is on vacation until it starts. She's tentatively picked August 4th for the debut, but her website implies that that date is still flexible. Just watch her website for more details. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (As long as I can hear her again, I'm happy.), 13:57:13 07/26/03 Sat

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• Cataldi Suspended -- Innocent Bystander, 09:40:15 07/22/03 Tue
  "Angelo Cataldi, the bellicose morning host on WIP-AM (610), was suspended yesterday for two days without pay over a remark he made on his morning show last Tuesday, during a diatribe inspired by the Eagles' new policy prohibiting outside food at Lincoln Financial Field"
  
  http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/6354134.htm
  

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  • Had the Eagles had a contract with another broadcasting company he never would have been suspended. That speak volumes to the coporate bullshit the local radio guy has to deal with. I got no problem with what he said. As taxpayers we got royally screwed up the ASS with these stadiums already. Now tailgating is gone, replaced with overpriced DogShit inside the stadium. Viva Le Sports Monopolie. Let the fans eat cake. (NT) -- Surf - What? me pay for a seat liscence? Screw you pal., 10:28:22 07/22/03 Tue
    • OK OK one post like this and I would believe that this is really Surf, but all three?? Well if this really is Surf that posted these three messages I have to ask? Surf, are you having a REALLY bad day or what? (NT) -- richiep, 14:22:06 07/22/03 Tue
      • Oh wait!! I didn't even see the 4th thing you wrote! Now I know you ain't Surf - but impersonating the owner/moderator of this board - not exactly a nice thing to do (NT) -- richiep, 14:26:02 07/22/03 Tue
        • Oh it's me alright. The last guy that tried doing that is still looking for files on his C drive. I took a breath before I posted more on the "brownshirt" comments by Cataldi. Those that know me are fully aware of my weak grasp on sanity. (NT) -- Surf - Don't get me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry, 15:30:05 07/22/03 Tue
  • I'm nervous, where is vince to stop this -- Mo, 16:33:00 07/22/03 Tue
  • What is going on here? It's not my fathers web site to talk about about men and 1 aussy women on WWDB (NT) -- MO, 17:04:39 07/24/03 Thu
  • Is Vince really Irv Homer? (NT) -- Queeny, 09:56:12 07/25/03 Fri
    • *uncontrollable laughter* (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Thanks, I needed that.), 00:06:56 07/26/03 Sat

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• Heads Are Rolling -- George, 12:02:22 07/24/03 Thu
  They've dumped Winslow at 'OGL - is it almost time to say goodnight Gracie?
  

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• Big Talker? Bad Grammar is More Like It -- Pseudonyms Uck...but I did pass English 101, 17:06:35 07/19/03 Sat
  "...she shouldn't have went there..."
  
  Kelvin, making the point that it didn't matter if alleged victim went to Kobe Bryant's room willingly, said the above phrase at least 10 times during the few minutes I listened in the car. Even Irv Homer has better grammar than that! No wonder this is a second-class radio market. Is it August yet?
  

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  • Grammar -- Captn Hank, 17:32:44 07/19/03 Sat
  • They never fail to disappoint. (NT) -- mediaman, 21:30:46 07/19/03 Sat
  • You sir MUST be full of shit. There is no Effin Way any host would utter such bullshit on the air. Forget the grammer, to say that a resort employee should not have catered to a high profile customer is stupid beyond belief. (NT) -- Surf - Kobe cheated on his wife, he's a dirtbag., 10:20:08 07/22/03 Tue
  • That, my friend, is a host highly trained in Ebonics. That is where talk radio has "went." We will soon be the sixth largest market and 'PHT may simply be positioning for that future. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 18:51:23 07/23/03 Wed

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• Sprague sues Eskin for libel, defamation -- Hoi Polloi, 09:36:49 07/23/03 Wed
  WIP/610-AM afternoon- drive host Howard Eskin, aka The King, is being sued for libel, slander and defamation by Richard A. Sprague, aka The Giant Killer.
  
  The complaint - obtained exclusively by the Daily News - centers on statements attributed to Eskin concerning Sprague's successful defense of Allen Iverson against felony gun, conspiracy and criminal trespass charges last July.
  
  
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• West Chester Radio Obscenity -- Pseudonyms Uck...and so do irresponsible broadcasters, 14:39:53 07/21/03 Mon
  On Monday, July 21, a newscaster on West Chester radio station WCHE used the phrase “f*** you” while referring to the Kobe Bryant incident.
  
  Even though the young woman apologized for saying a word she noted “might offend some,” the fact that the station was not using a 7 second delay is inexcusable! They have a new one and never use it because of all the technical problems it creates for them.
  
  David Shurr, the owner of the station and host of the morning show told her to "watch her language" and allowed her to continue on-air. It's this kind of irresponsible broadcasting that's helping to kill local radio faster than Clear Channel or Viacom ever could!
  

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  • I listened this morning. It was awful. The morning guy kept yelling at his brother (who must be his producer). He couldn't hear callers and it appeared to me that he didn't even know how to get calls on the show. The host was yelling, tons of feedback. It was the worst radio show I've ever heard. Nice to achieve that milestone so early in my life. (NT) -- West Chester Talk Radio Fan (Not for long), 08:02:17 07/22/03 Tue
  • You know it's such a Fucking shame we don't have more low power FMs around here. Then there would be more God Damn alternatives out in the burbs to some bitch cursing on the air. (NT) -- Surf - Hey this is fun. Should I ban myself?, 10:22:53 07/22/03 Tue

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• The Republican spending orgy -- richiep, 01:14:59 07/22/03 Tue
  I now to some people on here I'm beating a dead horse, but I really would like to see someone say, WITHOUT resorting to Republican propaganda, how on earth we are better off with Bush then Clinton. I'll make it easy for ya... I've read several article on just how out of control Bush's spending is (and that is WITHOUT his defense spending) perhaps you can read this article and just say in simple words why this level of spending is good:
  
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  • Clinton lost it with me when I had to explain to my kids why he was getting his dick sucked by a young employee in the White House. As long as we're going to hell in a handbasket I'll take Mumbly over bent needle dick. (NT) -- Surf - The real question is why vote GOP or DEM?, 10:17:44 07/22/03 Tue

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• Are there still troops in Iraq? -- Rockford, 08:17:05 07/07/03 Mon
  It seems like every other day there's a new report of American soldiers being killed or wounded in hostile fire.
  The worst part is there's no end in sight, and no one in talk radio, at least locally, wants talk about Iraq anymore.
  
  After months of helping to drum up public support for the war, mostly by mocking anti-war protesters, the local hosts have all gone back to doing Oprah impressions (Sexy teacher contests, Do married people really have less sex?, isn't sex great?)
  
  The Bush administration continues to govern by arrogance, supplying NO information about the situation to the American people. What's the timetable for getting the troops out? What is the plan for transfer of power? Is there a plan at all, or are you just making this up as you go along? They basically just tell us peasants to "Shut up, and let the aristocracy do the ruling."
  
  The allegedly 'liberal' press corps refuses to push for answers for fear of being sent to the back of room and not being called on by Ari.
  
  Talk radio is the perfect vehicle for putting public pressure on elected officials, but they are taking a politcal pass. Aren't we still supporting the troops?
  
  By the way. Anyone know when the next big 'Rally for America' is? Just wondering.
  

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  • This is talk radio Rockford. As one host said, the rules have changed. We don't have to be right anymore. It is very strange that so many people see talk radio as a real source of information when it is nothing but entertainment. Phil Hendrie was right about those people...they are weird. (NT) -- Anton Geesnick, 22:35:40 07/07/03 Mon
    • What a crock. That's the North Dallas Forty argument: When we say it's a game, you say it's a business, when we say it's a business, you say it's a game. Can't have it both ways. To help drum up popular support for a war, and then forget about it when it becomes inconvenient or less exciting- that makes you a truly despicable human being. (NT) -- (Rally for) Rockford., 09:04:01 07/08/03 Tue
  • No kidding! But thats talk radio. I have pretty much stopped listening because of stuff like this. Perhaps you should too. Eventually when the ratings drop to nothing, the program directors might get the message. (NT) -- Anton Geesnick, 21:02:03 07/08/03 Tue
  • I supported the war, and I still think we did the right thing. However, I am still disturbed by some of what I'm hearing on talk radio. Click here for more. -- "Vince From Villanova" (Truth, justice, and all that crap.), 01:44:08 07/10/03 Thu
    • Well I never supported the war to begin with. ... -- Anton Geesnick, 19:01:24 07/10/03 Thu

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• I'm going to listen to talk radio today... -- richiep, 14:17:24 07/15/03 Tue
  ..only because I want to see if the likes of Rush, Hannity etc have it in them to dare say something about this wonderful REPUBLICAN governor of Nevada that sued his own state, and got the courts to agree with him that the will of the people and the State Constitution should be ignored because he wanted a one BILLION dollar tax increase!
  
  This is from today's Wall Street Journal, this is so important to read I'm just going to post the whole story, I apologize in advance to anyone who thinks I should just put in a link.
  
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  REVIEW & OUTLOOK
  
  Nevada's Judicial Dice-Throwers
  And you thought Florida's Supreme court was arrogant.
  
  Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:01 a.m. EDT
  
  In a state that has given us the quickie divorce, legalized prostitution and gambling, you'd think it would be hard to raise eyebrows. But compared to their Supreme Court, Nevada's sin industries are looking downright respectable. In a landmark 6-to-1 ruling Thursday, Nevada's justices came up with a real doozy: Essentially they ordered state legislators to violate the state constitution they have sworn to uphold.
  
  That's the real meaning of their ruling that a Nevada constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds majority in both state houses for any tax hike was trumped by another constitutional requirement that the state fund public education. The dubious reasoning here was that while the education requirement was "substantive" and "specific," the supermajority requirement for a tax increase was merely "procedural" and "general."
  
  Leave aside for a moment the singular idea that procedural requirements are not as essential to self- rule as other provisions. (The Federalist Papers are all about such unsubstantive "procedural" details as the separation of powers.) Or that the case can be made that it is the supermajority requirement that is specific and the education requirement that is general.
  
  This case shouldn't have been before the court at all. And it wouldn't have been had Republican Governor Kenny Guinn not taken the extraordinary step of suing his own state legislature when it refused to push through nearly $1 billion in tax increases he wanted.
  
  Yet the move has paid off for Mr. Guinn, if not for Nevada taxpayers or the cause of self-government. With his state's constitution now handily disposed of, the Governor looks set to get his way. The Assembly passed a bill Sunday that would increase taxes by a record $788 million over the next two years. Meanwhile, the only real argument in the Senate appears to be over what precise form the tax increases will take.
  
  Now, Governors feuding with legislators over budgets is nothing new. But by resorting to a judicially enforced tax decision that properly belongs to the elected representatives of the people of Nevada, the Governor and the judges have put themselves in a class all their own. At least the state's gamblers and prostitutes can claim to be working within the law.
  
  By contrast, to conduct their business Nevada's highest court and its chief executive pulled an end run around a clear constitutional imperative in order to carve out an exemption for a specific spending interest. In this case that happened to be public education. But who is to say other justices won't discover other special interests?
  
  You can bet, moreover, that spendthrifts elsewhere are watching Nevada closely. Already a spokesman for Gray Davis has told the Associated Press that a similar suit was "something that we could possibly look at in the future." So much for "of the people, by the people, and for the people."
  
  Remember them? It's not as if the people of Nevada didn't know what they were doing when they voted overwhelmingly, twice, for the supermajority tax amendment. Voters know that without some kind of discipline, politicians will always have a hard time saying no to intense spending lobbies. And Nevadans are hardly alone. Other states--Colorado, Arizona and Florida--have similar tax or spending disciplines that require either supermajorities or voter approval. Not coincidentally, they are also the states that have generally weathered the economic slowdown of the past few yearsbetter than their peers.
  
  The states facing the worst budget shortfalls tend to be those either with no tax or spending limits or limits that they've weaseled out of. California is the most notorious. What we're seeing in Nevada today is largely a replay of what led California to its present woes.
  
  After Proposition 13 in 1978, Californians also passed something called the Gann Amendment, which limited increases in state and local appropriations from tax revenue to population growth plus inflation. But voters later watered this down, allowing an exception for--you guessed it--education. As the Cato Institute points out, if California had held spending growth to the terms of the Gann Amendment, Governor Davis would not have a budget crisis today.
  
  Apart from Mr. Guinn and the teachers unions, the folks happiest about this are probably Florida's high court judges, who now have company in making a mockery of self-government. It appears Governor Guinn will now get his tax hike. But let's remember that in suing the state's legislators, he was in reality suing his own voters.
  

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  • That wasn't tooooo long. Still belongs in the Politics and Opinion Fourm. That boars's posts get picked up by out of state shows where this one is more local. **** So, did you get to hear what you wanted? (NT) -- Surf, 14:08:30 07/16/03 Wed
    • Yeah it is long, but still a worthwhile read - as for being picked up nationally, that was my point - they won't - it doesn't fit the agenda. But I still like a fool hold out hope at times that someday I'll wake up to find just little bit of integrity in the world (NT) -- richiep, 22:29:10 07/16/03 Wed
      • Roger Hedgecock, subbing for Rush on Wednesday, discussed the topic with a caller, referring to that governor as a RINO (Repub In Name Only). Richiep, you should hook up with billstoddard and his bunch that don't want to pay taxes. You guys seem like you would have much in common. But whenever I hear talk about taxes, it's about as as interesting as a lecture on Beowulf. (NT) -- Satellite Radio Fan (THE radio medium of the future), 17:58:52 07/17/03 Thu
  • The nationally-syndicated Neal Boortz brought this up... but then again, Boortz is a Libertarian, not a Republican. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Hey! The government's growing even faster!), 03:59:07 07/17/03 Thu
    • Well OK that makes sense - then would it be fair to say that anyone who says they want a small government, and who votes for a Republican over a Libertarian is either an idiot or crazy (and I mean someone who is not just "saying" they want small government, but someone who really "wants" smaller government) (NT) -- richiep, 10:45:16 07/18/03 Fri
      • Only if you're OK with the 'even-bigger government' opposition in office when your minority candidate inevitably loses again. That would be crazy. How do you think Bill Clinton got into office? Remember crackpot Ross Perot? And I've publicly offered to kiss Nader voters from 2000 - on the lips. (NT) -- Scott "small 'l' libertarian Tilde, 16:44:40 07/18/03 Fri
        • Scott save yourself from doing the Rush, Hanitty, and Savage impersonation, I've heard it all way too many times - but the truth is the truth and your guy is making government bigger, growing it faster then Clinton did. I know you live in a world that likes to think otherwise (or try to convince people that its what you believe) but the TRUTH is Republicans want big government as much as Democrats do. Its just that they want it to be "their" big government. (NT) -- richiep, 21:30:15 07/18/03 Fri

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• New Philly PD Coming? -- Inside Man, 09:44:18 07/16/03 Wed
  With former WABC GM Don Bouloukos now running the Infinity stations, how long until he installs former WABC PD John Mainelli as WPHT PD?
  

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  • We All Hope So -- Everyone, 10:51:35 07/16/03 Wed
    • Continued.... -- Captn Hank, 11:20:34 07/16/03 Wed
  • Anything is possible but this is not likely. What could this guy do that they can't have Grace do? PHT is not a local station but a Mega Conglomerate Outlet. When told to jump they say how high .. they are just doing their jobs and given very little wiggle room. It all looks so easy to us out here but I know as for myself, I wouldn't last 1 day with New York in control. (NT) -- Surf - I just listen, and if I don't like it there's this knob ..., 14:18:57 07/16/03 Wed
  • All kind of Changes New Wip Gm, Roy leaving KY, Wysp Gm -- Mo, 14:34:29 07/16/03 Wed
  • Vince please flag my IP since I wrote this yesterday and all the insiders are reading about it today in the Inquire today (NT) -- mo, 12:49:08 07/17/03 Thu
  • Vince please flag my IP since I wrote this yesterday and all the insiders are reading about it today in the Inquire today (NT) -- mo, 12:49:09 07/17/03 Thu
    • That's not Vince's job and IPs are ignored unless the post contains something like extreme profanity, libel, etc. Being wrong or right is quite alright. (NT) -- Surf - But yes you WERE right on that one., 20:22:57 07/17/03 Thu
    • I'm impressed... an insider who actually got it right. My hat's off to you, kind sir. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Credit where credit's due...), 02:13:33 07/18/03 Fri
      • I thought Vince ran this gig, sorry. (NT) -- Mo, 09:30:22 07/18/03 Fri
        • Nah, I just act like it. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Can someone pop my ego already?), 11:08:15 07/18/03 Fri

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• Dom and Punishment -- Freddy, 20:11:53 07/17/03 Thu
  Did you ever notice one of Dom's favorite subjects to discuss, whatever he is discussing, is to ask his audience what sort of punishment should be doled out for a given crime?
  
  He must fancy himself the Tómas de Torquemada as Grand Inquisitor of talk radio. Must be that pre-Vatican II indoctrination in South Philly
  

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  • ...or he's just carrying out a fairly standard local talk-radio tactic... (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Dom ain't the first, and won't be the last.), 02:04:18 07/18/03 Fri

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• Howard Eskin -- fine_weed, 23:36:02 07/16/03 Wed
  Howard Eskin is a farse...A condescending (sp??), self promoting, bull *hitting liar......Two (2) things I never understand about his broadcasts??...1) Eskin continually repeats himself. Like he doesn't trust what he's saying or more than likely, he doesn't know what he's talking about......And...2) He promotes himself about being the sports guru...But he continually refers to his producers for the very basic of sports knowledge and info......
  

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  • I think your post is a farse (sic). Anyone that doesn't know that Eskin is doing schtick probably believes most of the "guests" and "callers" on the Phil Hendrie show are real. (NT) -- Satellite Radio Fan, 18:03:42 07/17/03 Thu
  • Eskin -- Captn Hank, 22:34:25 07/17/03 Thu

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• Tough move from Talk Radio to TV -- Captn Hank, 20:44:15 07/07/03 Mon
  MSNBC fires Savage after anti-gay remarks
  Associated Press ^ | Jul. 7, 2003 01:00 PM
  
  
  Posted on 07/07/2003 4:11 PM EDT by sakic
  
  
  NEW YORK - MSNBC on Monday fired Michael Savage for anti-gay comments.
  
  
  The popular radio talk show host who did a weekend TV show for the cable channel referred to an unidentified caller to his show Saturday as a "sodomite" and said he should "get AIDS and die."
  
  
  "His comments were extremely inappropriate and the decision was an easy one," MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines said.
  
  
  There was no immediate comment from Savage, according to a spokesman at his office in California.
  
  
  The brash, tough-talking Savage is one of radio's hottest jocks. His Paul Revere Society advocates closing borders, deporting illegal immigrants, mandating health tests for immigrants and eliminating entitlement programs.
  
  
  The televised version of "The Savage Nation" began March 8 despite the protests of such advocacy groups as the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.
  
  
  Aired at 5 p.m. EDT Saturday, Savage didn't translate into a television hit. He increased the ratings for the time slot marginally, according to MSNBC.
  
  
  The incident that resulted in his firing began innocently enough. Savage was taking viewer phone calls about airline horror stories, and a male caller began talking about smoking in the bathroom.
  
  
  "Half an hour into the flight, I need to suggest that Don and Mike take your ..." the caller said, before he was cut off and his words became unintelligible.
  
  
  "So you're one of those sodomists. Are you a sodomite?" Savage asked.
  
  
  The caller replied: "Yes, I am."
  
  
  "Oh, you're one of the sodomites," Savage said. "You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it."
  
  
  He asked for another phone caller who "didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse who's angry at me today."
  
  
  These bums "mean nothing to me," he said.
  
  
  GLAAD spokeswoman Cathy Renna said of Savage's firing: "It's about time.
  
  
  "This latest attack made the clearest case for why Savage has no place on any reputable news network. MSNBC witnessed firsthand exactly the kind of verbal assaults GLAAD's been warning them about for the past five months, and to their credit, they backed up their promises to hold Savage accountable."
  

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  • With his very loud complaints against the Don and Mike listener for pranking him, he's crossed the line from the strident issues talker to another shock jock ... more schtick than substance. Take a look at his website. It's about selling trinkets and junk. In his quest for a broader national audience, he's sold out after years ago claiming " I am not beholden to any interests." (NT) -- Satellite Radio Fan, 10:48:48 07/11/03 Fri
  • Good riddance to Savage -- talk radio bug, 15:30:50 07/14/03 Mon
    • I tried watching -- Captn Hank, 17:06:16 07/14/03 Mon

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• Powerball -- richiep, 10:23:09 07/10/03 Thu
  I just read on another web site, that a producer from "The Point" 96.5 in Philly was one of the two powerball winners last night. This was not on a local site, so even if its not true, it was funny how my brain said... "there's something familiar with that number 96.5" for a second or two.
  

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  • Must be a radio gimmick. Post the link please. (NT) -- Surf, 15:11:13 07/10/03 Thu
    • It was, in fact, a prank. (NT) -- David Madden, 15:47:12 07/10/03 Thu
      • Good questioning today Dave. To me it sounded like you were doing all you could to not haul off and bitch-slap her for having to go through the trouble of driving out there. BTW, did any of those Dolphins survive? (NT) -- Surf, 18:12:29 07/10/03 Thu
        • Yes. They're well in that mythical fish tank at Hershey Park...where they "came from" in the first place. (NT) -- David Madden, 19:31:44 07/10/03 Thu
          • They just don't make radio stunts like they used to. (NT) -- Surf, 20:14:13 07/10/03 Thu
  • Here's the complete story about the prank from the Inky: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/6277356.htm (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (You too could be a weiner!), 01:49:58 07/12/03 Sat

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• IS WPHT SENDING "SPAM" -- TinkerBell, 16:30:57 07/10/03 Thu
  Hello,
  Iam not good at posting & just lost what I wrote.
  We received e-mail from WPHT and have NEVER signed up for mail or anything else from them It was sent to our real life name--something we never do unless on a Secure Site--had ID Theft and are Leary of this.
  
  So, to receive this from them is a puzzle and annoying.
  Hubby doesn't even listen to talk radio--I can't stand Katz (among others) and wouldn't
  want mail from them either.
  How did they do this?? Is it Spam? (I sent to them and uce@ftc.gov)
  Message: (The only changes were to xxxx ot our real names.)
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  "WPHT-AM" To:    "XXXXXXXXXXXXXX" Reply to:    wpht@listeneremail.net Subject:    Spend Wednesdays with 1210's Jeff Katz and a Hot Tub Date:    Mon, Jul 7, 2003, 3:07pm X-EmailID:    6671 X-OriginalArrivalTime:    07 Jul 2003 19:11:46.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BDDE6D0:01C344BB]
  
  Dear XXXXXX,
  The heat is on and it's time for the Jeff Katz Summer Hot Tub Party. If you're thinking you're going to see me decked out in my tropical Hawaiian trunks surrounded by Baywatch extras...well, not exactly.
  However, I am going to be spending Wednesday nights from now through August 13th broadcasting live from 6 - 8 pm from the Buck Hotel on Buck Road in Feasterville, PA. I hope you'll come by the broadcast to say hello and enter to win a brand new hot tub from Master Spas. To win, stop by the Buck Hotel any Wednesday night from now until August 13th and fill out an entry blank. We'll hold a drawing on our final night for the winning name. Enjoy cool cocktails this summer and a smokin' hot tub just in time for fall.
  And I promise I won't wear a bathing suit until the very last night!
  Looking forward to seeing you.
  Jeff Katz
  6pm-8pm
  The Big Talker 1210 AM
  Sponsored By:
  _________________________________________
  
  Down here were adds that don't ccp for me.
  Any thougts? Did anyone else get this unsolicited? Is Talk Radio this bad off to resort to promoting Katz??
  TIA
  

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• New Radio Info.com -- Julius May, 17:19:23 07/08/03 Tue
  the new Radio info.com is here. You have to register in order to post messages on the Philly TV and Philly Radio Board. Homepage http://www.radio-info.com/. New URL's for Philly Radio Board: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts.php?Cat=&Board=philadelphia,, Philly TV Board: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts.php?Cat=&Board=phillytv, NJ Radio Board: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts.php?Cat=&Board=nj BTW after you register on the new Radio-Info Boards please go to My account and click on Display preferences and type in 3 on where Choose your time offset in hours (..,-2,-1,0,1,2,..) is. If you don't the time of the post will be in Pacific time.
  

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• Dom's show tonight -- draker, 21:44:43 07/07/03 Mon
  Can Dom really be this dumb?
  
  He doesn't like the idea of Philly being a big tourist attraction. That it doesn't fit his image of the city.
  
  Let's see, doesn't like the idea of millions of dollars coming into the city each year. These millions pay salaries as well as taxes. On and on...
  

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• Not really anything to say... -- "Vince From Villanova" (If you can't beat 'em, get a bigger stick.), 02:39:59 07/03/03 Thu
  ...just getting tired of seeing that Book Banned In The USA! thread up top every time I come on here, and thought I'd do something about it.
  
  Oh, wait, here's some fodder for the Laura-haters... according to the latest Talkers Magazine, Dr. Laura has broken her tie with Howard Stern and has climbed back to the #3-rated national talk show host. (Rush and Hannity are still 1-2.) Many thought the Iraq war would damage her ratings, but apparently she saw impressive gains across the country.
  
  My take? She's still not as strong as she once was. In many markets, she's been moved to timeslots such as 6pm-9pm, when competeting stations tend to have weaker hosts. (I feel the same way about Savage; okay, his listenership is huge, but there's not nearly the level of competition at 7pm that there is at 3pm.) But those who said Dr. Laura was soon to be gone for good may have been premature.
  
  Discuss!
  
  Oh, and a little something to get Captn Hank foaming at the mouth... ;) GLENN BECK GLENN BECK GLENN BECK ROCKS!
  
  (There, that alone'll be good for 2 or 3 fresh replies to keep this thread up top...)
  

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  • But I don't understand. Glenn Beck said on the air he was #2. (NT) -- Mr. BumpThePost, 14:26:11 07/03/03 Thu
    • If Beck's #2, then I'm #1. The Talkers article didn't mention anyone else on the list, but 4 or 5 months ago Glenn Beck was in a distant tie for 10th with the likes of Rusty Humphries. Maybe he's talking about a specific demographic. I don't have Talkers in front of me right now, but I think they were talking about 12+... that's everyone aged 12 or older. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Isn't post-bumping fun?), 06:19:02 07/04/03 Fri
  • Beck/Vince -- Captn Hank, 10:08:24 07/07/03 Mon

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• Before you sign up on the DNC list, you might want to think... -- richiep (and I work in sales, so I know a bit about this business), 20:23:04 07/03/03 Thu
  about he economic impact of it. I know, I know... you all hate telemarketing so much that your all doing back flips about this new law. But before you tar and feather me for supporting this industry (I support anyone's right to ASK me to do something, and no ones right to FORCE me to do something, and I like people working, not on unemployment or welfare) let me give you some facts....
  
  Well over 3 million people in the US work in this field. Over 4% of the good sold directly to consumers is done over the phone. The average person purchases something from a telemarketer 3 times a year. And finally.. if telemarketing was so evil, so disruptive to life, and something that can easily be replaced by using other means, why did the politicians exempt themselves???
  
  Based on projections across the board, there will be anywhere from a hundred thousand to over 2 million jobs lost as a direct result of this law. The unemployment rate today just hit a nine year high, does anyone want it to go higher?
  
  I know its cute to say who cares? Or they deserve it, but the fact is a ton of legitimate businesses will be effected by this. Just like gun laws or tax laws, it will effect the honest people first - the crooks in the industry will be the ones who will still call people on the DNC list, in hopes of a quick score before they shut their doors and move on to set up shop somewhere else.
  
  Its too late to stop this bill - Bush gleamed as he signed it into law (that guy will do anything he can to make him look good to Joe six-pack) and no politician wanted to dare be in favor of those evil telemarketers (except the one that call and ask you to vote for them or to give them money - they are different, I keep forgetting that) so what will happen will be happening soon enough.
  
  In writing this, I don't even expect anyone to agree with me, or for this to even stop someone from signing up on the list - I know your hatred is set in stone. I just want you to NOT bitch and moan about new welfare programs, higher taxes, industry bailouts, extended unemployment payments or whatever else might happen within a year or so. And if you are going to bitch about it, you might want to save it for when the telemarketer that calling on behalf of your congressman calls to you to ask for your money and/or your vote. Oh yeah... please don't give him your money as you might want to save it for if an unemployed telemarketer calls you to ask for money to help pay his bills, as charity calls will be exempt too.
  

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  • Confessions of an ex-telemarketer: click here for more. -- "Vince From Villanova" (The view's different on the inside.), 06:09:27 07/04/03 Fri
    • I know somebody who will be locked out of this industry because of the Do Not Call list but my hate for being called is greater than my compassion for his losing a job. That's what it boils down to, people are so fed up they don't care. I feel that since I pay for the phone line I should have a say over what comes over it. If they want to call me they can pay me, in advance, for my time. (NT) -- Surf - Once it crossed the phone jack, it's MY house., 11:19:30 07/04/03 Fri
    • So because the one firm you worked for was dishonest, or even if there are 5% of the firms are dishonest, we should shut down the entire industry? Should we apply that standard to other industries? I've dealt with dishonest retailers in the past, what new laws do we need to "protect us" from them? (NT) -- richiep, 13:31:57 07/05/03 Sat
      • I'm not convinced it's just 5%. Once you've seen the tricks of telemarketers and even done them yourself, it's a bit easier to recognize them when other telemarketers do them to you, so it seems to me that my former company is the rule, not the exception. Perhaps I'm biased from my experience, but that's how I feel. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Fire 'em all, let welfare sort 'em out.), 17:08:02 07/05/03 Sat
        • Vince and Surf.... (as you maybe the only ones reading this LOL) -- richiep, 19:07:22 07/05/03 Sat
          • A radio station can't turn on my radio. I have to take a voluntary action to invite the signal into my home, and if I decide I don't want it in my home anymore, I turn it off... and it stays off. In contrast, a telemarketer can reach into my house and make my phone ring. Sure I can hang up on them. But then they can call back, and the cycle begins again, invading my implied right to privacy. It can only end with some variation on a government-enforced DNC list. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Come on in, the water's fine.), 06:30:59 07/06/03 Sun
          • Yeah Rich, average per day unique visits for this page has fallen to around 600. Not nearly the interest level one might expect. Given the tone of some of the posts it's no wonder. (NT) -- Surf, 08:11:28 07/06/03 Sun

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