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Rollye's rollout coming soon. -- "Vince From Villanova" (Hoping for an Orlando or Melbourne affiliate), 02:12:12 07/18/03 Fri
Rollye James's website (www.rollye.net) has yet another cryptic update about her upcoming national rollout. Mainly it just promises more info coming soon, but it does mention San Francisco will be part of the rollout. You go, girl!

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- The official announcement is now on Rollye's site. Syndication starts Monday on several terrestrial affiliates and (soon) XM Satellite Radio. The show will feed from 10P to 1A, so PHT's got some schedule issues to work. (NT) -- Scott "Tilde News" - where a terrorist is called a terrorist, 18:24:21 08/01/03 Fri
  - "Rollye starts her syndicated show tonight at 10pm. WPHT won't carry the full show. O'Reilly... 10 to midnight." Join in with me, kids P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C, but predictable. WPHT, you suck. Couldn't lose another hour of that paragon of integrity, George Noory for one of your locals gone national, huh? Can't wait for XM satellite radio to start Rollye. Who really needs PHT anyway? (NT) -- Scott "Terrestrial Radio - Who Needs It?" Tilde, 22:40:03 08/04/03 Mon
    - What's truly pathetic is the way some of you fawn over this broad like smitten little puppies. Why some of you think she's going to succeed at this go at syndication when the last one failed is not the sign of people who say they know this radio business. O'Reilly is Rush Limbaugh in comparison. At least O'Reilly has an accomplished journalistic background and a successful Tv show on this resume. The same can't be said for Ms. James. She knows old records. BFD. (NT) -- Michael O'Donaghue, 02:00:46 08/06/03 Wed
      - Okay, Michael, how many markets have you been #1 in? Rollye has a proven track record doing local talk radio in markets all across the country, and I've seen her listed before in Talkers magazine's "Heavy Hundred" article. She does late nights in Philly because she likes to, but there are PD's out there who might commit homicide to get her into afternoon drive on their station. Next time you want to slag someone, try doing a little research first. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Facts, not fawning.), 07:00:06 08/06/03 Wed
        
        Vince, don't even bother with this guy. It's the same gutless loser Surf was telling you about last week. He's so brave he has to randomize his IP addy each time he posts but we already all know who he is. (NT) -- Kalindy (Admin), 14:32:48 08/06/03 Wed
        
        Oh, but it's so much fun bothering with this guy. :) Heh... kinda funny that the same guy who was so determined to prove me a liar (despite the fact that I've never hidden my radio history) is so afraid to show his face. Makes ya wonder who has something to hide... me or him? (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (a.k.a. Vince Young... release the hounds!), 20:36:50 08/06/03 Wed
- Rollye -- Captn Hank, 23:15:16 08/04/03 Mon
  - What an unexpected reply from Hank!! (NT) -- Clyde, 01:18:32 08/05/03 Tue
    - Reply.... -- Captn Hank, 07:48:50 08/05/03 Tue
Philadelphia Auto Insurance Rates -- USAGIJOE Yes it's me!!, 20:51:52 08/06/03 Wed
Greetings talk radio nerds, it's me USAGIJOE back to ask you a question. A friend of mine who lives in the Philadelphia area is changing his auto insurance company. It seems his wife was in an accident last year, which was not her fault, and his rates skyrocketed. Since I am not from the area I told him I would ask the experts, the talk radio nerds. I remember one advertiser on WWDB who was always on Irv's show but I forgot their name. They always advertised, send for the free booklet on "What to do if you are in an accident." Any information would be helpful. Your replies may also be useful to other posters on this board who live in Pa. So the question is, Who Has The Best Rates? Thanks for your help. Hey Surf, how about an update on the old WWDB radio hosts gang, "Where are they today."

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- A law firm called Hielechman and Mogul (mispelled). They, I think, are really for post accident litigation, not rates. Contact any independant agent, then the major companies for best rates, takes time to find out. (NT) -- Surf, 19:00:16 08/07/03 Thu
Ann Ivory's New Show -- Steve Bryant, 12:32:25 07/31/03 Thu
I want to thank Surf for posting the audio file for Ann Ivory’s new show on WNJC. In today’s world of homogenized, sanitized-for-your-protection, right-wing claptrap radio (no strong opinions here), I think all of us who enjoy talk radio are delighted to hear something different.

I do hope the show continues and possibly catches on for syndication. It reminded me a bit of The Satellite Sisters (if they were all in one studio). That’s the halcyon days of The Satellite Sisters on NPR, not the current watered-down ABC version.

This being said, I have some observations: Ann and company’s first show was more than a little loose. If they rehearsed or prepped a great deal, it didn’t show. The first few seconds of a show, especially a new show, are crucial. If I had been a casual listener, I most likely would have dismissed it as a small-market, pay-for-play production.

In these days where everyone is denouncing the evils of “Corporate Radio,” non-corporate radio has to be better-than-good…all the time. I think most of us would love nothing more than to see a local team of broadcasters succeed beyond the wildest dreams of Glenn Beck, Dr. Laura and all the other big money syndicated shows.

Obviously, Ann is an experienced broadcaster. Her partners do a nice job as well, when they’re not stepping all over one another. This show needs serious tightening and better focus if it is going to succeed. Time and time again, I hear a local radio show debut with high hopes of national syndication. Usually, it’s 2 or more people who spend more time driving to the station than prepping their show. It usually fails rather quickly.

I know for the fill-in spots I do on WDEL, I spend 3-4 hours prepping for 1 hour on-air. (Okay, so maybe I’m slow.) If Ann and her co-hosts spent a great deal of time getting ready for their debut it didn’t show in the audio file Surf posted.

I love it when someone succeeds in this crazy business. Especially if that someone does it on their own without a Premier, Talk America or other big syndicator behind them. Granted, if they are really successful, they might eventually be syndicated by one of the big services. Still, they would have initially made it outside the “big money shield” of a large corporation.

Like most, I cringe when I hear what passes for talent on many “big” national shows. (Is Liddy still reading the paper? Can Glenn Beck have his named screamed out a few more times each hour?...I must have missed that one in “Imaging 101.”)

If “Midnight Dish” is the new name of their show (providing no one else has it already), they have a great title. I hope the show can live up to it.

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- I wouldn't worry about early show missteps, Steve. WNJC has no measurable listenership. Ann can use this gig as a warmup to finding a better outlet. (NT) -- Scott Tilde, 01:31:55 08/03/03 Sun
  - Not worried, Scott, I just want to see an "indie" project make it for a change. I received a nice email from Ann saying that they were "thrown" on-the-air with only 24 hours notice. I hope she sends new audio to Surf so we can all hear the improvement. (Too many times, an independent radio project fails because no one speaks up until it IS on a measurable station. Then it's too late.) (NT) -- Steve Bryant, 12:34:16 08/03/03 Sun
Local Talk & Local Cartoonist coverage -- Alex C, 20:43:42 08/04/03 Mon
I've been out of town, and haven't listened to local talk lately. Has this http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=7729_Echoes_of_Nazism
been discussed by any local talk host?
It's a cartoon drawn by the Inquirer's Tom Auth. It was pretty harsh when seen on it's own. But when compared to 1930's Nazi propaganda, it looks, ahem, "coincidental".

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- Wow! That's some observation. Auth has always been a knee-jerk liberal, but so are the majority of political cartoonists. Auth has stepped way over the line this time. I am going to copy your post to the Politics and Opinion board. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 21:21:24 08/04/03 Mon
WPHT Changes -- Insider, 21:04:22 07/14/03 Mon
Get ready for the changes coming to WPHT. Imus is history, to be replaced by Smerconish and Sean Hannity will be carried in afternoons. Just a few weeks to this. Stay tuned.

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Just an Observation -- Love that Radio!, 17:36:58 07/30/03 Wed
Maybe its just me, but does anyone ever think that those who yell the loudest and longest about how radio is now safe, predictable and nonthreatening and how radio is totally beholden to corporate interests have, in reality, become the very things they most despise?

Think about it, this board has BECOME radio ... think of all the parallels. I certainly can think of many. Compare what Mike Missanelli wrote about his problems at WIP in a recent Daily News op ed peice with the way stuff is deleted here to protect certain "interests".

And just like the contemptutous attitude in the radio biz, the webmaster will tell us to "tune" elsewhere if we don't like it. Not the way to maintain a loyal customer base, is it? But who are the customers here? The posters or the corporate figures being coddled and protected from harsh comment?

Maybe this has something to do with the fact that readership has dropped off here, much in the same way listenership has dropped off in the radio biz.

Predictable, boring, and nonthreatening. Sound familiar, anyone?

Man, do the ironies abound!

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WPHT's new Saturday 4PM host -- draker, 18:23:28 07/05/03 Sat
I was wondering if anyone heard the new talker this afternoon and what you thought of him.

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- Pretty awful! Didn’t anyone work with him before the show? He was all over the place. Sounded like he wanted to be a shock jock at times. He baited the audience on some issues like a 70’s talk host. Difficult to understand at times as well. He “tilted” at some pretty silly windmills. If Kelvin was the best, God help us all if Numbers 2 or 3 get a shift. Don’t think Beck, Doyle, Smerconish and Blazer will be serious competition for the likes of Walter Sabo, et al. (NT) -- Pseudonyms Uck...but maybe the next "Big Talker" should use one., 19:50:35 07/05/03 Sat
- These contests prove that for every Irv Homer that's discovered you get 100 examples of what you listened to Saturday afternoon. It was vulgar and bad radio to boot. (NT) -- Bogey, 22:43:30 07/06/03 Sun
- Vulgar; that really sums it up, Bogey. With some of the intelligent posters on this board, many of whom I’m sure called the audition line, I’m amazed at the poor quality of the 5 finalists. Top Ten Reasons notwithstanding, I think Surf, Vince, Dave C., Rockford, you and many others here would have been an interesting choice. Obviously, no professionals made it to the final 5, unless someone from WURD used a pseudonym. You know, that almost makes sense. (NT) -- Pseudonyms Uck, 10:24:54 07/07/03 Mon
  - I'm actually in Florida now (hence the quote marks around my name), though I'm flattered by your suggestion. :) However, I think the whole point of their promotion was to find some raw talent from among the regular folks of the rank-and-file audience and give them a shot. It can work... I enjoyed Birdsong's run on WDBO here in Orlando. But most of the time, the search for raw talent can leave you remembering that you're not supposed to eat raw oysters either. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (My goose is cooked, thank you.), 01:54:46 07/10/03 Thu
- PHT -- Anne, 13:25:20 07/07/03 Mon
- Look at the bright side. If it was August there would be five Saturdays. (NT) -- Surf - My topic - Herring Sandwiches, love em, hate em?, 16:27:12 07/07/03 Mon
  - Hate 'em. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Eating crow, on the other hand... yum!), 01:56:29 07/10/03 Thu
- Sad, very sad. What a joke! Although I'm sure he hates working on Saturday, Dom G. had settled into a fun and entertaining 4 hours of solid talk. Now we have 3 solid hours and 1 hour that's all squishy and loose...a sort of verbal and mental diarrhea. How about a contest to pick the next Big Talker Program Director? Looks like the current one is about to "fall from grace." (NT) -- Not THE NEXT Big Talker, 13:11:36 07/08/03 Tue
  - QUESTION: So what do you call it when Kelvin does his guest spot on "It's Your Call with Lynne Doyle?" ANSWER: "Dumb and Dumber, Part 3." (NT) -- Comcast Executive Wannabe, 22:27:04 07/10/03 Thu
- I'm surprised this didn't get a lot more replies than the "pay no income tax" thread. I guess WPHT has done so many ridiculous, pointless promotions that another one is no big deal. He stunk, that's the Reader's Digest version. By the way, I applied those "pay no income tax" strategies to every aspect of my life. Hey, I get two hours of Internet privileges in here every week. And my wife Bubba understands my addiction to talk radio. Sweet! (NT) -- "Number 47 Said To Number 3...", 13:55:46 07/10/03 Thu
- What was it that Glenn Beck said about this contest? Oh yes, "AGONIZING !!!!! They SUCKED, only some less so than others." Pretty much on the money I'd say. 1210, dial up 1-800-DB-CLONE, for you "Non Spellers" that's ...... (NT) -- Mia, 14:33:43 07/10/03 Thu
- Dang it's hard to talk on radio..... -- Sam (Bucks County), 22:20:16 07/12/03 Sat
- Kelvin The Winner -- Gayle, 23:16:56 07/26/03 Sat
- WPHT SUBSTITUTE -- KEH, 17:05:00 07/27/03 Sun
Rollie james -- joeseph, 10:46:20 07/26/03 Sat
Does anyone know what happend to Rollie james? God knows the old art bell show or whatever it is called now sucks.

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- Rollye -- Captn Hank, 10:53:42 07/26/03 Sat
- First of all, you'll probably want to bookmark Rollye's website: http://www.rollye.net, and she spells it with a Y, not an I. ;) She's finalizing details of her upcoming return to national syndication, and is on vacation until it starts. She's tentatively picked August 4th for the debut, but her website implies that that date is still flexible. Just watch her website for more details. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (As long as I can hear her again, I'm happy.), 13:57:13 07/26/03 Sat
Cataldi Suspended -- Innocent Bystander, 09:40:15 07/22/03 Tue
"Angelo Cataldi, the bellicose morning host on WIP-AM (610), was suspended yesterday for two days without pay over a remark he made on his morning show last Tuesday, during a diatribe inspired by the Eagles' new policy prohibiting outside food at Lincoln Financial Field"

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/6354134.htm

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- Had the Eagles had a contract with another broadcasting company he never would have been suspended. That speak volumes to the coporate bullshit the local radio guy has to deal with. I got no problem with what he said. As taxpayers we got royally screwed up the ASS with these stadiums already. Now tailgating is gone, replaced with overpriced DogShit inside the stadium. Viva Le Sports Monopolie. Let the fans eat cake. (NT) -- Surf - What? me pay for a seat liscence? Screw you pal., 10:28:22 07/22/03 Tue
  - OK OK one post like this and I would believe that this is really Surf, but all three?? Well if this really is Surf that posted these three messages I have to ask? Surf, are you having a REALLY bad day or what? (NT) -- richiep, 14:22:06 07/22/03 Tue
    - Oh wait!! I didn't even see the 4th thing you wrote! Now I know you ain't Surf - but impersonating the owner/moderator of this board - not exactly a nice thing to do (NT) -- richiep, 14:26:02 07/22/03 Tue
      - Oh it's me alright. The last guy that tried doing that is still looking for files on his C drive. I took a breath before I posted more on the "brownshirt" comments by Cataldi. Those that know me are fully aware of my weak grasp on sanity. (NT) -- Surf - Don't get me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry, 15:30:05 07/22/03 Tue
- I'm nervous, where is vince to stop this -- Mo, 16:33:00 07/22/03 Tue
- What is going on here? It's not my fathers web site to talk about about men and 1 aussy women on WWDB (NT) -- MO, 17:04:39 07/24/03 Thu
- Is Vince really Irv Homer? (NT) -- Queeny, 09:56:12 07/25/03 Fri
  - *uncontrollable laughter* (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Thanks, I needed that.), 00:06:56 07/26/03 Sat
Heads Are Rolling -- George, 12:02:22 07/24/03 Thu
They've dumped Winslow at 'OGL - is it almost time to say goodnight Gracie?

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- Rolling -- Captn Hank, 14:12:23 07/24/03 Thu
Big Talker? Bad Grammar is More Like It -- Pseudonyms Uck...but I did pass English 101, 17:06:35 07/19/03 Sat
"...she shouldn't have went there..."

Kelvin, making the point that it didn't matter if alleged victim went to Kobe Bryant's room willingly, said the above phrase at least 10 times during the few minutes I listened in the car. Even Irv Homer has better grammar than that! No wonder this is a second-class radio market. Is it August yet?

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- Grammar -- Captn Hank, 17:32:44 07/19/03 Sat
- They never fail to disappoint. (NT) -- mediaman, 21:30:46 07/19/03 Sat
- You sir MUST be full of shit. There is no Effin Way any host would utter such bullshit on the air. Forget the grammer, to say that a resort employee should not have catered to a high profile customer is stupid beyond belief. (NT) -- Surf - Kobe cheated on his wife, he's a dirtbag., 10:20:08 07/22/03 Tue
- That, my friend, is a host highly trained in Ebonics. That is where talk radio has "went." We will soon be the sixth largest market and 'PHT may simply be positioning for that future. (NT) -- SurveyGuy, 18:51:23 07/23/03 Wed
Sprague sues Eskin for libel, defamation -- Hoi Polloi, 09:36:49 07/23/03 Wed
WIP/610-AM afternoon- drive host Howard Eskin, aka The King, is being sued for libel, slander and defamation by Richard A. Sprague, aka The Giant Killer.

The complaint - obtained exclusively by the Daily News - centers on statements attributed to Eskin concerning Sprague's successful defense of Allen Iverson against felony gun, conspiracy and criminal trespass charges last July.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/6363234.htm

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West Chester Radio Obscenity -- Pseudonyms Uck...and so do irresponsible broadcasters, 14:39:53 07/21/03 Mon
On Monday, July 21, a newscaster on West Chester radio station WCHE used the phrase “f*** you” while referring to the Kobe Bryant incident.

Even though the young woman apologized for saying a word she noted “might offend some,” the fact that the station was not using a 7 second delay is inexcusable! They have a new one and never use it because of all the technical problems it creates for them.

David Shurr, the owner of the station and host of the morning show told her to "watch her language" and allowed her to continue on-air. It's this kind of irresponsible broadcasting that's helping to kill local radio faster than Clear Channel or Viacom ever could!

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- I listened this morning. It was awful. The morning guy kept yelling at his brother (who must be his producer). He couldn't hear callers and it appeared to me that he didn't even know how to get calls on the show. The host was yelling, tons of feedback. It was the worst radio show I've ever heard. Nice to achieve that milestone so early in my life. (NT) -- West Chester Talk Radio Fan (Not for long), 08:02:17 07/22/03 Tue
- You know it's such a Fucking shame we don't have more low power FMs around here. Then there would be more God Damn alternatives out in the burbs to some bitch cursing on the air. (NT) -- Surf - Hey this is fun. Should I ban myself?, 10:22:53 07/22/03 Tue
The Republican spending orgy -- richiep, 01:14:59 07/22/03 Tue
I now to some people on here I'm beating a dead horse, but I really would like to see someone say, WITHOUT resorting to Republican propaganda, how on earth we are better off with Bush then Clinton. I'll make it easy for ya... I've read several article on just how out of control Bush's spending is (and that is WITHOUT his defense spending) perhaps you can read this article and just say in simple words why this level of spending is good:

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/201/oped/The_Republican_spending_orgy+.shtml

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- Clinton lost it with me when I had to explain to my kids why he was getting his dick sucked by a young employee in the White House. As long as we're going to hell in a handbasket I'll take Mumbly over bent needle dick. (NT) -- Surf - The real question is why vote GOP or DEM?, 10:17:44 07/22/03 Tue
I'm going to listen to talk radio today... -- richiep, 14:17:24 07/15/03 Tue
..only because I want to see if the likes of Rush, Hannity etc have it in them to dare say something about this wonderful REPUBLICAN governor of Nevada that sued his own state, and got the courts to agree with him that the will of the people and the State Constitution should be ignored because he wanted a one BILLION dollar tax increase!

This is from today's Wall Street Journal, this is so important to read I'm just going to post the whole story, I apologize in advance to anyone who thinks I should just put in a link.

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REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Nevada's Judicial Dice-Throwers
And you thought Florida's Supreme court was arrogant.

Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:01 a.m. EDT

In a state that has given us the quickie divorce, legalized prostitution and gambling, you'd think it would be hard to raise eyebrows. But compared to their Supreme Court, Nevada's sin industries are looking downright respectable. In a landmark 6-to-1 ruling Thursday, Nevada's justices came up with a real doozy: Essentially they ordered state legislators to violate the state constitution they have sworn to uphold.

That's the real meaning of their ruling that a Nevada constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds majority in both state houses for any tax hike was trumped by another constitutional requirement that the state fund public education. The dubious reasoning here was that while the education requirement was "substantive" and "specific," the supermajority requirement for a tax increase was merely "procedural" and "general."

Leave aside for a moment the singular idea that procedural requirements are not as essential to self- rule as other provisions. (The Federalist Papers are all about such unsubstantive "procedural" details as the separation of powers.) Or that the case can be made that it is the supermajority requirement that is specific and the education requirement that is general.

This case shouldn't have been before the court at all. And it wouldn't have been had Republican Governor Kenny Guinn not taken the extraordinary step of suing his own state legislature when it refused to push through nearly $1 billion in tax increases he wanted.

Yet the move has paid off for Mr. Guinn, if not for Nevada taxpayers or the cause of self-government. With his state's constitution now handily disposed of, the Governor looks set to get his way. The Assembly passed a bill Sunday that would increase taxes by a record $788 million over the next two years. Meanwhile, the only real argument in the Senate appears to be over what precise form the tax increases will take.

Now, Governors feuding with legislators over budgets is nothing new. But by resorting to a judicially enforced tax decision that properly belongs to the elected representatives of the people of Nevada, the Governor and the judges have put themselves in a class all their own. At least the state's gamblers and prostitutes can claim to be working within the law.

By contrast, to conduct their business Nevada's highest court and its chief executive pulled an end run around a clear constitutional imperative in order to carve out an exemption for a specific spending interest. In this case that happened to be public education. But who is to say other justices won't discover other special interests?

You can bet, moreover, that spendthrifts elsewhere are watching Nevada closely. Already a spokesman for Gray Davis has told the Associated Press that a similar suit was "something that we could possibly look at in the future." So much for "of the people, by the people, and for the people."

Remember them? It's not as if the people of Nevada didn't know what they were doing when they voted overwhelmingly, twice, for the supermajority tax amendment. Voters know that without some kind of discipline, politicians will always have a hard time saying no to intense spending lobbies. And Nevadans are hardly alone. Other states--Colorado, Arizona and Florida--have similar tax or spending disciplines that require either supermajorities or voter approval. Not coincidentally, they are also the states that have generally weathered the economic slowdown of the past few yearsbetter than their peers.

The states facing the worst budget shortfalls tend to be those either with no tax or spending limits or limits that they've weaseled out of. California is the most notorious. What we're seeing in Nevada today is largely a replay of what led California to its present woes.

After Proposition 13 in 1978, Californians also passed something called the Gann Amendment, which limited increases in state and local appropriations from tax revenue to population growth plus inflation. But voters later watered this down, allowing an exception for--you guessed it--education. As the Cato Institute points out, if California had held spending growth to the terms of the Gann Amendment, Governor Davis would not have a budget crisis today.

Apart from Mr. Guinn and the teachers unions, the folks happiest about this are probably Florida's high court judges, who now have company in making a mockery of self-government. It appears Governor Guinn will now get his tax hike. But let's remember that in suing the state's legislators, he was in reality suing his own voters.

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- That wasn't tooooo long. Still belongs in the Politics and Opinion Fourm. That boars's posts get picked up by out of state shows where this one is more local. **** So, did you get to hear what you wanted? (NT) -- Surf, 14:08:30 07/16/03 Wed
  - Yeah it is long, but still a worthwhile read - as for being picked up nationally, that was my point - they won't - it doesn't fit the agenda. But I still like a fool hold out hope at times that someday I'll wake up to find just little bit of integrity in the world (NT) -- richiep, 22:29:10 07/16/03 Wed
    - Roger Hedgecock, subbing for Rush on Wednesday, discussed the topic with a caller, referring to that governor as a RINO (Repub In Name Only). Richiep, you should hook up with billstoddard and his bunch that don't want to pay taxes. You guys seem like you would have much in common. But whenever I hear talk about taxes, it's about as as interesting as a lecture on Beowulf. (NT) -- Satellite Radio Fan (THE radio medium of the future), 17:58:52 07/17/03 Thu
- The nationally-syndicated Neal Boortz brought this up... but then again, Boortz is a Libertarian, not a Republican. (NT) -- "Vince From Villanova" (Hey! The government's growing even faster!), 03:59:07 07/17/03 Thu
  - Well OK that makes sense - then would it be fair to say that anyone who says they want a small government, and who votes for a Republican over a Libertarian is either an idiot or crazy (and I mean someone who is not just "saying" they want small government, but someone who really "wants" smaller government) (NT) -- richiep, 10:45:16 07/18/03 Fri
    - Only if you're OK with the 'even-bigger government' opposition in office when your minority candidate inevitably loses again. That would be crazy. How do you think Bill Clinton got into office? Remember crackpot Ross Perot? And I've publicly offered to kiss Nader voters from 2000 - on the lips. (NT) -- Scott "small 'l' libertarian Tilde, 16:44:40 07/18/03 Fri
      - Scott save yourself from doing the Rush, Hanitty, and Savage impersonation, I've heard it all way too many times - but the truth is the truth and your guy is making government bigger, growing it faster then Clinton did. I know you live in a world that likes to think otherwise (or try to convince people that its what you believe) but the TRUTH is Republicans want big government as much as Democrats do. Its just that they want it to be "their" big government. (NT) -- richiep, 21:30:15 07/18/03 Fri

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