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Date Posted: Fri, Jun 29, 09:58:49pm CST
Author: david
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 66.213.251.203
Subject: Re: Hall of Fame Question
In reply to: Dan N 's message, "Re: Hall of Fame Question" on Fri, Jun 29, 01:50:20am CST

>>>>>Howdy everyone! I was going over the yearbook for
>>the
>>>>>umptenth time and was wondering a couple of
>things.
>>>>>Hopefully this is not an out of line question, I'm
>>>not
>>>>>trying to start trouble, I'm just ignorant of the
>>>>>answers. I noticed a dog owned by Mr. Keeter,
>>>>>"Cassie" had won the World Hunt three times but was
>>>>>not in the Hall of Fame. I was wondering why and
>>>what
>>>>>is the criteria to get a dog in the Hall of Fame?
>>>>>Since I don't know all the dogs in the Hall of Fame
>>>>>are there dogs that are only Big Game Leopards from
>>>>>out west in the Hall of Fame? Just curious. Also
>>is
>>>>>the World Hunt at the same place and time each
>>year.
>>>>>I'd love to attend someday. Thanks for any
>thoughts
>>>>>or information. Fred
>>>>
>>>>Opps, computer glich, sorry for the multiple posts!!
>>>
>>>Fred, In answer to your questions, Cassie is in the
>>>Hall of Fame. All dogs that win the world hunt or the
>>>little world hunt are automatically in the Hall of
>>>Fame. Besides these hunt champions, dogs are elected
>>>into the hall of fame for various reasons. The only
>>>set criteria is that a dog must be deceased before it
>>>can be elected into the hall of fame. Some dogs are
>>>elected because of their hunting abilities,
>>>reproducing abilities or various other reasons. For a
>>>dog to be nominated for the hall of fame, someone
>from
>>>that State section must nominate the dog at a world
>>>hunt meeting and be voted on. Maybe there should be
>>>more criteria for dogs to be elected, but I don't
>>>think there is anything written in the past world
>hunt
>>>meeting minutes that sets the criteria other than the
>>>world hunt and little world hunt winners, upon their
>>>death are automatically elected. Sometimes in the
>>>yearbook, some of the hall of fame dogs are left out,
>>>this is just an oversight by whomever is getting the
>>>yearbook ready for print. I don't know of any big
>game
>>>dogs that have been nominated.
>>>The world hunt in not in the same place every year,
>>>but most of the time it is on the same weekend each
>>>year. It is decided at the world hunt meeting each
>>>year where the next hunt will be held. Any state that
>>>wants to offer to host the world hunt should make
>that
>>>offer at the meeting and it will be voted upon by the
>>>members present. Hope this answers your questions
>>>satisfactorily. Dan N
>>
>>Thanks Dan, sure does, I really appreciate the
>>response. I was hoping it didn't appear I was trying
>>to stir up any hard feelings. Looks like there are
>>none to stir up. :o) Looks like some of these big
>>game hunters should start nominating some of these
>>outstanding dogs. Where is next year's hunt going to
>>be? Thanks again! Fred
>
>Fred, Next year's hunt will not be set up until the
>2007 world hunt meeting. This year's hunt will be in
>Tilden, Illinois. Watch for the ad in next month's
>Full Cry. Dan N

There is something I would like to share regarding the hall of fame. Just a personal experience that made me wish that there were a few more requirments for getting into the hall of fame. Befor I ever owned a good Leopard, (and I have owned more than one good one), I was given access to many years of old year books. I poored over these year books with great interest and looked at the lists of hall of fame dogs with great reverence. Then I attended a world hunt. In the hunt, I could see that a decent dog having a decent night could win the hunt if he got into some coon.
I attended the meeting at the world hunt, and at that meeting a dog was nominated for the hall of fame. The room was completely quiet. There was no discussion. As I remember it with my imperfect memory, it was simply put to a vote. All those in favor say Aye. OK now all those apposed....(complete quiet). Well the Ayes have it. I saw people look at each other like something had just happened but I could not interpret what it was. I felt a little bit ripped off myself because I had no Idea what made the dog a great dog. No one said anything about his accomplishments as a hunter or as a stud dog. Nothing. I was a member at the time, but could not offer a vote because I knew absolutely nothing about the dog. And it all happened so fast, like a speeding train down the railroad.

Honestly, I was in disbeleif, because I had looked at that list of great dogs with so much reverence, and just assumed that they had to go through a lot of scrutiny, discusion, and consideration.


I will also share that if I had thought the dog was unworthy, I would have felt very intimidated to have voted out loud against the dog in a room full of people, with the one who nominated the dog in full veiw. I already know how people feel about these dogs some times, and I also already know that some people may feel a dog is a good dog, and the dog would not meet my criteria for a good dog. I knew nothing about the dog, so that was not an issue. But if I had known about the dog and felt it was not deserving of the hall of fame, I would have had a hard time voting "no" in front of everyone. It would feel to me the same as openly picking a fight.

When I found out the dog had been nominated by it's owner or something like that, I felt even further disapointed and further disillusioned by the list of hall of fame dogs. So now I am looking at this list of hall of fame dogs wondering how many of them had been nominated by their owner, and put to an open vote in front of the owner, where no one would feel very comfortable about voting no.

I dont even know the name of the dog, and it doesnt really matter to me any more. But I would like to suggest that if you want to build more respect for the breed as a whole, that there be more of a criterion for the hall of fame. If the criteria includes a vote, the voters be informed of the dog's abilities and accomplishments as a hunter and reproducer, and that the vote be by secret ballot. I will give my own personal opinion that winning one of these hunts ONE time would not constitute a hall of fame dog. Winning three times, now that would mean something to me.

We all know that some years one or both of the hunts mentioned, for whatever reason, are not well attended. If coon are not moving, only one or two dogs might even get to come in with plus points. I have been to enough competition hunts to finish out a couple UKC night champions, and I know as well as you do that a very average dog can easily be the only one to come in with plus points on certain nights and in certain situations, and often, it is not the best dog in the hunt.

I am not a member, dont own a dog, and dont deserve to be heard. But here is an outsider's opinion on another issue regarding these dogs that I feel are worthy of some respect. I feel that if you want them to be taken seriously, the systems of recognition need to be something that can be taken seriously when someone looks into them. "Hall of Fame" should mean something, even if you only get one dog every five years or so that shows himself so obviously outstanding that his inclusion will be obvious. Maybe the dog that was "inducted" at the hunt I attended was just such a dog. I hope so. But there is nothing about the process that would make me think so.

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