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Date Posted: 12:02:55 03/04/03 Tue
Author: William
Author Host/IP: cache-mtc-ah04.proxy.aol.com / 64.12.96.169
Subject: There are at least 6.5 million Muslims living in France and they have changed the face of France. The French feel threatened by them, having experienced terrorist bombings and such themselves.Regarding France and WW II, from 60,000 to 70,000 Jews were rounded up by the French and sent off to death camps without even so much as a request from the Germans. The French were more powerful than the Germans during the 1930s after WW 1 but they did not act to stop Germany's advancement and development, which broke the resolution Germany agreed to at the end of WW I.
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Chris Henry
's message, "Perhaps it's their vivid memory of the carnage of the last 2 world wars , as evoked by this poem, that makes them want to avoid war if there's an alternative. Who remembers what WWI was about, and what did it achieve? 25.000 French soldiers served in the last Gulf War, so they'll fight when there's obvious aggression, but they clearly feel this proposed war is about a non-existent threat based on a tissue of lies. However you should post your question on a French site to get an authentic French viewpoint." on 03:08:52 03/04/03 Tue
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The French and the British declared war on Hitler in 1939, while we waited until Dec 1941 before we did anything about him, and only then because we were attacked by Japan. A collaborator government was involved in deporting Jews, but they got justice from the rest of France at the end of the war. Throughout the occupation many thousands of brave French men and women fought in the Resistance, without the protection of the Geneva Convention, so capture meant death. -- Chris Henry, 03:47:43 03/05/03 Wed (cache10-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.29)
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These attacks on the French are totally unworthy, believe it or not they are entitled to disagree with the US position on Iraq without this sort of attack and "Old Europe" jibes. We can hardly squeal about anti-Americanism if we insult other countries like this. -- Chris Henry, 03:48:48 03/05/03 Wed (cache8-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.27)
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Of course the French, or anyone else, are entitled to disagree with our positions and not support us. We, in turn, are likewise entitled to exercise our displeasure with them through means of verbal dissent or, more importantly, a financial boycott. May the best man win. Quelle dommage. -- JL, 20:02:22 03/05/03 Wed (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)
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Yes, that would be really smart, allow a disagreement about a squalid little Middle East dictator to spill over into mutual boycotts and trade wars. Saddam Hussein would love that, even posthumously. Voire, quelle folie. -- Chris Henry, 03:43:50 03/06/03 Thu (cache3-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.13)
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I suspect that it would also appeal to Osama Bin Laden's sense of irony. Attack the USA from Afghanistan, and you set the USA and GB against France, Germany, Russia etc. He could just sit relax in his cave and enjoy the show on satellite TV. By the way, how does a country that is a net importer of capital as we are, impose a financial boycott? -- Chris Henry, 03:55:08 03/06/03 Thu (cache10-2.ruh.isu.net.sa/212.138.47.29)
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First of all, our problems with the French go far beyond this single episode. This was the proverbial 'straw'. How do we impose a financial boycott? One wallet at a time. Don't think this is happening? I do. -- JL, 18:44:10 03/06/03 Thu (pcp01376707pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net/68.80.69.241)
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This is beautiful -- Rajean, 08:41:49 03/08/03 Sat (adsl-65-42-83-66.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net/65.42.83.66)
I'm with Chris on this particular point. And I keep asking myself...When did America get appointed as the self-righteous Pit Bulls of enforced Democratic Tyranny? When the Iraqis begin to rise up and rebel, then we might be able to justify an assault on their government in the name of Human Rights violation.
Osama and Hussein hate each other.
The French hate Americans. (Im part French and learned this years ago)
Bush hates Hussein cause he tried to "kill my daddy" (Did anyone see Hussein at the White House with an AK-47??)
We held Russia in check for over 40 years, but we can't control the actions of a third rate dictator in a second rate country?
How far could he lob one of his weapons? About 900 kilometers...Just far enough to piss off his neighbors, who would then annihilate him.
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Rajean, times have changed a bit since the cold war. Now there are super empowered individuals who can carry a bomb, a flask of VX gas, Serin gas, Anthrax, nuclear devices, etc. Saddam Hussein himself has been supporting and training terrorism for many years. He signed a cease agreement fire in 1991 during the "Gulf War" in which he agreed to disarm and discard and/or destroy his Weapons of Mass destruction arsenal. Instead he played hide and seek and spy and harass with the UN inspectors throughout the 1990s and again since the implementation of resolution 1441. -- William, 11:27:17 03/08/03 Sat (cache-rl02.proxy.aol.com/152.163.189.98)
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Bush is not after Hussein because "he tried to kill my daddy." That is a stupid, idiotic, immature, and disingenuous claim perpetrated by the brain dead "hate America" crowd, like the claim that this is about "blood for oil" and other idiotic claims. It is pure propaganda. In fact, for the French this IS about blood for oil. By doing business with Iraq and by openly aggressively opposing taking action against Saddam Hussein France has actually perpetuated the suffering of the Iraqi people and placed others in danger by encouraging Saddam Hussein and his thugs. -- William, 11:30:32 03/08/03 Sat (cache-rl02.proxy.aol.com/152.163.189.98)
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