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Subject: Re: course - initiation


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Dragonlady
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Date Posted: 15/02/07 20:01
In reply to: sweetsong 's message, "course - initiation" on 15/02/07 9:41

"thank you but i feel i need to express about my illness and not to be told i am negative or judged or told to pull my socks up. it is a part of me and a huge journey. some days i am negative but i try not to reject myself when i am. the whole of me needs to be embraced and honoured and loved. the lack of understanding of mental illness is everywhere of course why i expect it to be different here shows my naivity."

And I don't particularly like to be told that I am patronising and judgemental when that is the very last thing I am, but I actually let that go. Sometimes people can get just a little fed up of someone constantly expressing about their illness, when they all have their own problems.

As Whitewolf said, we shall also have to agree to disagree and I, for one, will say no more on this subject.

Dragonlady

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rae
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Date Posted: 19/02/07 21:33

have come in here at late stage so really i know the meat of the conversation has gone but i just wanted to say that

1 - The Galdraheim coven is a well established coven thats been in existance since the 70s and some covens do 'advertise' that they have openings.

2 - A coven exists to teach the student/neophyte how to work magickaly as a wiccan as well as worship. If you want to celebrate the seasons and worship then moots, open circles, pagan groups etc are best. I always taught my coveners that magick is more personal even than sex, because you are opening your soul and psyche to another person. This is why the phrase 'in perfect love and perfect trust' is used. And this is why people with mental health problems are often unfortunately excluded. The actual processes involve deep inner work that can bring up the most painful as well as beautiful experiences and the teacher is accountable karmically as well as practically for the student.It can make someones symptoms worse - especially as to learn magickally one has to journey into the shadow/deep self and may come face to face with aspects of themselves they have managed to hide before.
Im sorry that sweetsong has felt upset by this but there are good valid reasons for it, and a coven leader would not take the karmic responsibility for possibly making her condition worse.
That is why most covens will not accept people with these types of illnesses.

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