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gold extraction, refining, and assay in mozelland
gold extraction, refining, and assay in mozelland
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. - Eph. 5:11, 13
mozel, have you read these links? -- dan (cheer up old bean), 11:55:08 01/02/07 Tue [1]

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=SkullBones">http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=SkullBones</a> and click the links on the top and bottom of this for instance <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_skullbones10.htm">http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_skullbones10.htm</a> I have discovered Codex Magica too <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/codex_magica.htm">http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/codex_magica.htm</a> and where did they come from, why were you don't look but should <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stargods/messages/37295">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stargods/messages/37295</a>


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mozel, I want you to read my comments at 205877 -- dan, 17:48:34 12/11/06 Mon [1]

also keeping a record in the vicinity of kitco-voy, I'm really getting tired of people causing me problems and doing evil to me and actually criminal acts and trying to make it appear as though I'm wrong when I'm not. They think that they can get away with it through their mouth and greater numbers and make my truth a nulls case, if anything should be null it is them. Maybe I'll look back through 64855 if I have time.


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Zero Point Energy and the Red Shift -- Eldorado, 08:05:33 12/01/06 Fri [1]

"When the concept of an expanding universe entered the secular scientific arena, it was ridiculed. It was condescendingly nicknamed the "Big Bang", even though the idea did not include any kind of explosion. It was rejected as being too close to the "silly ideas" of the Bible. Since the Bible was 'clearly' mythology, there was no way the truth of the cosmos could come anywhere near what the Bible said happened.

The Bible does say the universe expanded. But it uses another term for it. In the Bible, God says He stretched the heavens. He says this twelve times. The difference between the idea of the "Big Bang" and the Biblical explanation is that the Big Bang says the expansion continues to this day, whereas the Bible says it was a one time, complete event."


http://www.setterfield.org/simplified.html

And more on it all at:

http://www.setterfield.org/


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mozel look at this link. As for stox=NOT, I don't bother. -- dan, 23:08:25 11/30/06 Thu [1]

I'm having trouble logging in, you may have seen this link <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.constantlife.com/pmwiki.php?n=Main.WhoOwnsYou?action=print">http://www.constantlife.com/pmwiki.php?n=Main.WhoOwnsYou?action=print</a> I'll try maybe tommorrow. STOX etc; I've talked a lot about how phony the system is, so be careful because there are devils out there wanting to take you to hell.


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mozel -- dan, 06:37:24 11/28/06 Tue [1]

Don't you think there is an analogy between the ideas in movies like The Matrix and society? You have to admit Marshall McLuhan and the advert guy; (damned memory) use propaganda and mindcontrol and that is a fact. Secondly, as for peaceful assembly it cannot be argued govt as a structure is peaceful or should be assembled} well thats just a retort or way of making an abstract argument. I will say that we know the way things should be and they aren't and thats my point while you seem to rationalise and explain away current conditions in acceptance. I know things aren't right and no assembly of people doing things wrong makes it right as in my case of nulls/one and false witness against me, but it is something they have gotten away with. The choice I have isn't much, on one hand I want to fight for my rights and on the other I try to treat people right and don't want to harm them, so they get away with murder against me, lie about it and I lose out, so I'm getting to where I don't care anymore and I'm tired of the whole situation. Some of my posts are abstract ideas or reflections amplified of distortions I see in society that I think are lunatic like MADD. Law is supposedly an objective standard, in reality it is people seeking to impose their will in violation of others free will. For instance MADD wants this and that, so I argue what right do they have to create a voluntary condition and use that to impinge on others freedom? Then too if they want regulation they should get it and licensing and regulation of pregnancy. Unknown to MADD is THE MADD MADD world they're creating and the result is going to be different than the expectation where their control comes back to haunt them like a demon. I know I can solve the problem of this life by running the clock out and simply not doing anything. This post is becoming too long and sort of a personal expression of digust not to really burden you with it either and not the kind of post you want which would be more academic. At issue: is society based on false premises and for instance so called "Law" and "legal process" and you already concede the answer is yes I know. Putting a veneer on corruption is similar to the biblic allegory of the whited sepulchre full of vileness and dead mens bones. Now take that allegory and my necrophilia references to mkts/society/law/pod people etc. or society viewed as Dawn of the Dead and it is horrible! That reminds me of "certain heinous acts" I mentioned you should discover where the lawyers changed peoples legal status; I wanted you to find that because it is an important point.


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No one seems to be considering the likelihood that consciousness -- mozel, 22:24:45 11/27/06 Mon [1]

is produced by free will.

A hypnotized person has neither free will nor consciousness.

Suggestions of matrix existence are merely an uncoerced version of mind control, in this case through suggestion to the imagination. Media based mind control seems to follow this pattern, exclusively. This accounts for why people most under its influence seem so unimiagninative to those less under its spell.


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@dan -- mozel, 21:45:48 11/27/06 Mon [1]

You ought to re-read the bits I posted from the article on the corporation or assembly of the people antecedent to the creation of Government.
Freedom of peaceable assembly is one of those rights which Congress shall not make a law abridging.
One day they may decide to use it.


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Housecleaning -- mozel, 21:40:18 11/27/06 Mon [1]

don't take it personally if a message of yours gets housecleaned.


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mozel, why argue the corporation is something it isn't? -- dan, 05:18:42 11/27/06 Mon [1]

Beyond ultra vires is purpose and intent and simulacra and simulation is a poor copy; whatever happened to mass production and standardized parts; of course the bell shaped curve of statistic process analysis came along latter in history after the whiskey rebellion, lieber code, act of 1872 act of treason, fed reserve/income tax/war powers act, bankruptcy of the united states/trading with the enemy act/hypothecation of people as property/, then UCC. Those were some quick mentions in synopsis. I should have stated body politic and magna carta as origin of rule of law are opposites where one is based on capricious edict and the other on universal principle and rights where body politic is exclusive and rule of law inclusive. Rule of law as such is vanishing supplanted by body politic.


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the future of genetic simulacra? -- <".">, 09:27:15 11/25/06 Sat [1]

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.slavery.org.uk/">http://www.slavery.org.uk/</a> there is no time, the future is now.


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Probably deliberate disinfo -- alley gater, 21:10:39 11/22/06 Wed [1]

why not listen to your self or first mind" you read the hypsters and allow them to warp your mind. Also, where is Ophiuchus? martians, reptiles and neutrals, staged world, actors...


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?? -- Tamryn, 08:44:13 11/13/06 Mon [1]

The icon is there for a reason. It is an automatic signiture. When I am gone for a period of time, it makes it easier to see where I left off.
I just thought it as suprising to see the lurkers in the kitco forum talking about me in here. I took it as kinda sneeky that no comments were made in the other room where I frequent. I comment etc. openly but avoid degrading someone unless attacked first (which has happened repeatedly). NOt that it really bothers me, words in these forums are meaningless, but I will rebut moronic statements.




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NIce to hear... -- Tamryn, 07:54:46 11/13/06 Mon [1]

That behind closed doors i'm a ? or a 'sock puppet'. You may cast what stones you wish, but I will never be like you... the equivallent of a couple of Jewish Yentas thriving on gossip about people behind their backs instead of having the proverbial 'balls' to say something in the other room....

yen·ta audio (ynt) KEY

NOUN:
Slang

A person, especially a woman, who is meddlesome or gossipy.



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A few of them are beginning to awaken, dan. -- mike, 19:52:28 11/12/06 Sun [1]

There's more to the sock puppet Tamryn than meets the eye. BTW, it’s no accident that she (?) and I have the same birthday. Things are beginning to spin out of control and huge change is upon us.


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Ophiuchus, I put some more ideas on the backup site -- ?¿?, 13:52:34 11/12/06 Sun [1]

I don't see anything wrong with described meat puppets as such, then too pregnancy was dealt with today and Pyrite expressed his fear of what I had to say, Oh my! It was funny as Pyrite warned what I say WILL be used against me and I have the right to remain silent, yeah that's what they're after! Can't have people slapping the sleepers awake! Some people just can't handle the truth and abstract thought. You can post here at least!


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after yesterdays posts on K-backup..... -- Ophiuchus, 11:19:30 11/11/06 Sat [1]

....they shut me down again. They seem to always know the best time to patch me through their “unknown organization”. I'll see ya then.


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Beginning of the Phase of Impact of the Global Systemic Crisis -- holdGold, 07:06:19 10/30/06 Mon [1]

Last May, LEAP/E2020 detailed 4 phases of global systemic crisis, indicating that the acceleration phase would start in June and spread out over a period of a maximum six months at which stage, the explosive phase of the crisis, the "impact phase", would start. Following these last months developments and the central part played by the United States in the current global system, LEAP/E2020 announces in October edition of GEAB that the mid-term US elections in November 2006 will be this phase's catalyst which is the cross point of the main fracture lines of the current global system.

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/systemiccrisis.html">http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/systemiccrisis.html</a>


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GAO Chief- America Bankrupt !! -- HoldGold, 06:56:30 10/30/06 Mon [1]

Democrats and Republicans talk of cutting taxes to make life easier for the American people.

What they don't talk about is a dirty little secret everyone in Washington knows, or at least should. The vast majority of economists and budget analysts agree: The ship of state is on a disastrous course, and will founder on the reefs of economic disaster if nothing is done to correct it.

There's a good reason politicians don't like to talk about the nation's long-term fiscal prospects. The subject is short on political theatrics and long on complicated economics, scary graphs and very big numbers. It reveals serious problems and offers no easy solutions. Anybody who wanted to deal with it seriously would have to talk about raising taxes and cutting benefits, nasty nostrums that might doom any candidate who prescribed them. YahooNews Sat Oct 28, 6:54 PM ET link <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061028/ap_on_go_ot/america_the_bankrupt">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061028/ap_on_go_ot/america_the_bankrupt</a>


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Wake up America -- HoldGold, 05:50:32 10/30/06 Mon [1]

A secret tape leaked out after the last Hungarian election. Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany revealed that the government's claims about the economy were brazen falsehoods. The government now admits that the government budget deficit is almost twice as large as it claimed during the election campaign. <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.fff.org/comment/com0610j.asp">http://www.fff.org/comment/com0610j.asp</a>


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the page below contains many previously discussed references. -- guess (allow me to elaborate somewhat..), 19:43:36 10/28/06 Sat [1]

ideas..clone army/Star Wars revenge of the Sith, The Matrix, both are movies...magnetic city/ Bob Dobbs and synchronistic linguistics, simulacra and simulation...the article is very good, so read it.


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positive feedback for 99942 and Others...please read -- guess (kinda here, kinda there..), 19:18:14 10/28/06 Sat [1]

http/www.metahistory.org/lexicon_B.php snip" This is positive feedback, but I would prefer to call it dystrophic feedback. Dystrophy (from dys-, "abnormal, impaired," + tropos, "turn.") is a physical disorder of the limbs characterized by the wasting of organs and tissues, as in muscular dystrophy. Dystrophy — literally, "a turn for the worse" — is more radical than entrophy, which is merely the passive running down of a system. Dystrophic feedback leads to violent disintegration of an organiism or machine. In short, it is the path of catastrophic breakdown.
Behavioral cloning is extremely deceptive because the high degree of conformity it demands gives the impression of order and stability. Yet a society driven by behavioral cloning will, sooner or later, enter the path of catastrophic breakdown. Behavioral cloning is the norm in societies where the ruling powers are blindly driven to pathological extremes, such as the Sun sacrifice madness of the Aztecs. As noted above, behavioral cloning is driven from within by belief and lured or entrained from without by technology and trickery (i.e., "magic," as in the case of Aztec magical ceremonies to feed blood to the dying sun). When beliefs and technology combine, the formula is lethal.
Gnostics taught that the Archons do not autonomously cause us to deviate from our proper course of evolution, but they exploit our tendency to let our errors extrapolate beyond the scale of correction— i.e., to verge on dystrophic feedback. To my knowledge, no other ancient teaching carries such a clear predictive view of the risk of evolutional deviance inherent to human social behavior. The Gnostics may have been silenced 1600 years ago, but they can still speak vividly to us today.
The dynamics of behavioral cloning can also be understood by way of two seminal ideas proposed by cultural anthropologist Rene Girard: mimetic desire and the mechanism of unanimity. See Girardian theory.
belief Loosely, whatever an individual is willing to accept without direct verification by experience or without the support of evidence, and take as a basis for action or non-action. From Old Welsh, Saxon and High German roots such as galaubjan, "cherish, trust." From y + laub, "that which is held dear."
The related root leif has fallen out of use. It is close to the word life, hence it is not surprising that belief can be as dear as life itself; but it is also related to leave and love. In archaic parlance, one would speak like this: "I would as lief stay here and die than ford that stream and die trying to cross it." "As lief" means "I would rather." It refers to what one is willing to do. To be-lieve is to be-willing. To believe something is to be-will it, to will it into existence.
As just noted concerning the difference between behavior and experience, belief does not merely dispense with the evidence of experience, it can go further and deny the evidence of experience. And it often does. Therein lies the power of belief. Belief is motivation by reliance on an assigned version of reality (for instance, the belief that potato blight caused widespread starvation in Ireland around 1840) or an assigned version of what might be imagined (for instance, the belief that God will resurrect those poor souls who died in the potato famine).
Ultimately, the problem introduced by belief is not a matter of believing versus non-believing, because annulment of the will to believe is not possible. The true conflict here, upon which depend both the moral and survival orientation of the human species, is between believing and learning.
belief-change The act of changing what one believes, especially by examaning and rejecting received beliefs and adopting aligned beliefs; and, going even more deeply into this process, by changing the way one views belief itself. I call these the relative and radical forms of belief-change, respectively.
Relative belief-change involves letting go of one belief and developing another. This is really an exchange of beliefs, adopting one in place of another. It may take an entire lifetime to exchange a single belief. This is not a testimony to the power or intrinsic truth of beliefs, but rather to the way beliefs confer identity on those who adopt them. This dynamic is self-enforcing: you identify with a belief and the belief in turn defines and strengthens your sense of identity. Under to the spell of consensus reality, millions of people find their identities in what they believe — to such an extent that, lacking those beliefs, they would have no idea who they are.
In metahistorical analysis, defining yourself by what you believe looks like an extremely dangerous procedure. Unless you are able to determine if the beliefs you hold are insane and inhumane, the identity acquired through adopting beliefs could be delusional.
Of course, most people in the world today did not adopt the beliefs they hold in the first place. Our beliefs are more often chosen for us than by us. Relative belief-change begins with the act of questioning the beliefs chosen for us by family, racial background, culture, education, religion and government. If any of those beliefs are found to be untrue or harmful, then can be rejected, and others adopted in their stead."


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then providence moves too -- mozel, 17:57:12 10/28/06 Sat [1]

Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to
draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of
initiative and creation, there is one elementary truth the
ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid
plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one
that would never otherwise have occurred. A whole stream
of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor
all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material
assistance which no man could have dreamed would have come
his way. Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Begin it now.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe



Subtlety may deceive you; integrity never will.
- Oliver Cromwell


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hope you are doing well -- guess (yes indeedy), 17:46:55 10/28/06 Sat [1]

As of saturday upon advent of pyrite the ole B&G went dow-n again... just as I wanted to post this link; <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/03/19.html">http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/03/19.html</a> it has to do with Archons, sort of discarnate beings and 99942 would find it most interesting if pursued to metaphysics.org


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catch this -- Herr Goebbels, 22:22:00 10/10/06 Tue [1]

Mike Conner sold me out -- Mike Kessler, 01:19:03 10/11/06 Wed [1]

He will you too.


1LAWBREAKER1 has been shut down!!!!

Rudi..........contact info ? -- Norwester, 01:16:48 10/10/06 Tue
.
...is it possible to send a direct email to YOU ?
.
....There are a couple of 'things' I wanted to make you
aware of if there's a way to contact you directly...
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law making spooks -- mozel, 22:00:41 09/16/06 Sat [1]

Kirk's exact role is unknown, although important enough to earn him the award for US Naval intelligence officer of the year in 1999. The next year he was elected to represent Illinois' 10th district in Congress. ... He never held any elected office and never worked in Illinois. He had no local name recognition until he somehow attracted large sums of money to run for Congress.
http://www.sandersresearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=939&Itemid=67


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managing financial reality -- mozel, 21:49:25 09/16/06 Sat [1]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14979.htm


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a back up for a back up -- mozel, 21:43:59 09/16/06 Sat [1]

if I'm not there, I'm here; not here, there.


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the dirty plan -- mozel, 18:00:47 09/16/06 Sat [1]

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=104570;title=APFN


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Demoralization by implanitng the "nothing you can do" sentiment -- mozel, 15:38:33 09/16/06 Sat [1]

is a common tactic of psychological manipulation --to make people erroneously believe they have no choice in action or thought.


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May the Republicans perish forever. May vultures gobble their entrails. -- mozel, 11:41:10 09/16/06 Sat [1]

May their name be blotted out.
-----------------
wish I'd said that ...
http://www.sobran.com/columns/2006/060831.shtml


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Who's asleeping? -- only dreaming, 08:21:03 09/02/06 Sat [1]

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://stargods.org/WhatIsReality.html">http://stargods.org/WhatIsReality.html</a>


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Billy -- Sunday, 08:05:56 09/02/06 Sat [1]

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/photos/assets/photos/1132.jpg">http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/photos/assets/photos/1132.jpg</a>


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Handwriting -- mozel, 21:46:43 08/28/06 Mon [1]

Free Image Hosting at allyoucanupload.com


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behold -- mozel, 18:19:45 08/02/06 Wed [1]



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Falling asleep during the learning session. Seems to be a problem, generally. -- mozel, 11:22:09 07/27/06 Thu [1]

Another shocking state of affairs: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.slate.com/id/2146218/nav/tap1/">http://www.slate.com/id/2146218/nav/tap1/</a>
For the sleepy, nonreaders: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY</a>


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dare to hear -- mozel, 22:45:55 07/26/06 Wed [1]

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith-Bjerknes25July2006.mp3">http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith-Bjerknes25July2006.mp3</a>


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Apollo Liars -- mozel, 21:06:25 07/26/06 Wed [1]

<A rel=nofollow target=_blank HREF=>http://www.erichufschmid.net/ApolloLiars.html


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cover-ups do succeed -- mozel, 11:38:58 07/26/06 Wed [1]

The tenth anniversary of the destruction of TWA Flight 800 shows that
government and media cover-ups do succeed. The prevailing myth is that the
fuel-tank somehow exploded, causing the plane to crash. But the evidence shows it was
destroyed by missiles. The possibility of a terrorist attack, which would
have been a huge embarrassment for the Clinton Administration, cannot be ruled
out.
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://americandail">http://americandail</a> y.com/article/ 14676


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cycle based trading site for gold & stocks -- mozel, 11:32:47 07/26/06 Wed [1]

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://chartsedge.com/">http://chartsedge.com/</a>


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Great (long) post Mozel -- Maytag, 12:11:08 07/04/06 Tue [1]

An "unalienable" right is one that cannot be taken away legitimately - and then not without doing damage to the very humanity of the person. Any institution that tries to deny or encroach upon these rights upsets nature and God's plan, for it is the Creator who grants these rights, not government or any other institution. USSR=USSA=the fruit of ungodly men who have dared to be their own creator or deny any creator whatsoever. The evolutionists rule ye. Is it any wonder your humanity has been damaged by legitimate deprivations of rights from birth ?

In 1921, the federal Sheppard-Towner Maternity Act created the birth "registration" or what we now know as the "birth certificate." It was known as the "Maternity Act" and was sold to the American people as a law that would reduce maternal and infant mortality, protect the health of mothers and infants, and for "other purposes." One of those other purposes provided for the establishment of a federal bureau designed to cooperate with state agencies in the overseeing of its operations and expenditures. What it really did was create a federal birth registry which exists today, creating "federal children." This government, under the doctrine of "Parens Patriae," now legislates for American children as if they are owned by the federal government. Through the public school enrollment process and continuing license requirements for most aspects of daily life, these children grow up to be adults indoctrinated into the process of asking for "permission" from Daddy government to do all those things necessary to carry out daily activities that exist in what is called a "free country."

Before 1921 the records of births and names of children were entered into family bibles, as were the records of marriages and deaths. These records were readily accepted by both the family and the law as "official" records. Since 1921 the American people have been registering the births and names of their children with the government of the state in which they are born, even though there is no federal law requiring it. The state tells you that registering your child's birth through the birth certificate serves as proof that he/she was born in the united States , thereby making him/her a United States Citizen. For the past several years a social security number has been mandated by the federal government to be issued at birth.

In 1933, bankruptcy was declared by President Roosevelt. The governors of the then 48 States pledged the "full faith and credit" of their states, including the citizenry, as collateral for loans of credit from the Federal Reserve system. To wit:"Full faith and credit" clause of Const. U.S. article 4. sec. 1, requires that foreign judgement be given such faith and credit as it had by law or usage of state of it's origin. That foreign statutes are to have force and effect to which they are entitled in home state. And that a judgement or record shall have the same faith, credit, conclusive effect, and obligatory force in other states as it has by law or usage in the state from whence taken.
Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed. cites omitted.

The state claims an interest in every child within it's jurisdiction. The state will, if it deems it necessary, nullify your parental rights and appoint a guardian ( trustee ) over your children. The subject of every birth certificate is a child. The child is a valuable asset, which if properly trained, can contribute valuable assets provided by its labor for many years. It is presumed by those who have researched this issue, that the child itself is the asset of the trust established by the birth certificate, and the social security number is the numbering or registration of the trust, allowing for the assets of the trust to be tracked. If this information is true, your child is now owned by the state. Each one of us, including our children, are considered assets of the bankrupt united states. We are now designated by this government as "HUMAN RESOURCES," with a new crop born every year."

In 1923, a suit was brought against federal officials charged with the administration of the maternity act, who were citizens of another state, to enjoin them from enforcing it, wherein the plaintiff averred that the act was unconstitutional, and that it's purpose was to induce the States to yield sovereign rights reserved by them through the federal Constitution's 10th amendment and not granted to the federal government, and that the burden of the appropriations falls unequally upon the several States, held, that, as the statute does not require the plaintiff to do or yield anything, and as no burden is imposed by it other than that of taxation, which falls, not on the State but on her inhabitants, who are within the federal as well as the state taxing power, the complaint resolves down to the naked contention that Congress has usurped reserved powers of the States by the mere enactment of the statute, though nothing has been, or is to be, done under it without their consent ( Commonwealth of Massachusetts vs. Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury, et al.; Frothingham v. Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury et.al.. ) Mr. Alexander Lincoln, Assistant Attorney General, argued for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts . To wit:

I. The act is unconstitutional. It purports to vest in agencies of the Federal Government powers which are almost wholly undefined, in matters relating to maternity and infancy, and to authorize appropriations of federal funds for the purposes of the act.

Many examples may be given and were stated in the debates on the bill in Congress of regulations which may be imposed under the act. THE FORCED REGISTRATION OF PREGNANCY, GOVERNMENTAL PRENATAL EXAMINATION OF EXPECTANT MOTHERS, RESTRICTIONS ON THE RIGHT OF A WOMAN TO SECURE THE SERVICES OF A MIDWIFE OR PHYSICIAN OF HER OWN SELECTION, are measures to which the people of those States which accept its provisions may be subjected. There is nothing which prohibits the payment of subsidies out of federal appropriations. INSURANCE OF MOTHERS MAY BE MADE COMPULSORY. THE TEACHING OF BIRTH CONTROL AND PHYSICAL INSPECTION OF PERSONS ABOUT TO MARRY MAY BE REQUIRED.

By section 4 of the act, the Children's Bureau is given all necessary powers to cooperate with the state agencies in the administration of the act. Hence it is given the power to assist in the enforcement of the plans submitted to it, and for that purpose by its agents to go into the several States and to do those acts for which the plans submitted may provide. As to what those plans shall provide, the final arbiters are the Bureau and the Board. THE FACT THAT IT WAS CONSIDERED NECESSARY IN EXPLICIT TERMS TO PRESERVE FROM INVASION BY FEDERAL OFFICIALS THE RIGHT OF THE PARENT TO THE CUSTODY AND CARE OF HIS CHILD AND THE SANCTITY OF HIS HOME SHOWS HOW FAR REACHING ARE THE POWERS WHICH WERE INTENDED TO BE GRANTED BY THE ACT.

( 1 ) The act is invalid because it assumes powers not granted to Congress and usurps the local police power. McCulloch v. Maryland , 4 Wheat. 316, 405; United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 549-551.

In more recent cases, however, the Court has shown that there are limits to the power of Congress to pass legislation purporting to be based on one of the powers expressly granted to Congress which in fact usurps the reserved powers of the States, and that laws showing on their face detailed regulation of a matter wholly within the police power of the States will be held to be unconstitutional although they purport to be passed in the exercise of some constitutional power. Hammer v. Dagenhart, 247 U.S. 251; Child Labor Tax Case, 259 U.S. 20; Hill v. Wallace, 259 U.S. 44.

The act is not made valid by the circumstance that federal powers are to be exercised only with respect to those States which accept the act, for Congress cannot assume, and state legislatures cannot yield, the powers reserved to the States by the Constitution. Message of President Monroe, May 4, 1822 ; 4 Elliot's Debates, p. 525; Pollard's Lessee v. Hagan, 3 How. 212; Escanaba Co. v. Chicago , 107 U.S. 678; Coyle v. Oklahoma , 221 U.S. 559; Cincinnati v. Louisville & Nashville R.R. Co., 223 U.S. 390.

( 2 ) The act is invalid because it imposes on each State an illegal option either to yield a part of its powers reserved by the Tenth Amendment or to give up its share of appropriations under the act. A statute attempting, by imposing conditions upon a general privilege, to exact a waiver of a constitutional right, is null and void. Harrison v. St. Louis & San Francisco R.R. Co., 232 U.S. 318; Terral v. Burke Construction Co., 257 U.S. 529.

( 3 ) The act is invalid because it sets up a system of government by cooperation between the Federal Government and certain of the States, not provided by the Constitution. Congress cannot make laws for the States, and it cannot delegate to the States the power to make laws for the United States . In re Rahrer, 140 U.S. 545; Knickerbocker Ice Co. v. Stewart, 253 U.S. 149; Opinion of the Justices, 239 Mass. 606.

The Maternity Act was eventually repealed, but parts of it have been found in other legislative acts. What this act attempted to do was set up government by appointment, run by bureaucrats with re-delegated authority to tax, which is in itself unconstitutional. What was once declared as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of this nation in the past should be upheld in a court challenge today. The constitution hasn't changed. What has changed is the way this government views human life. Today we are defined as human resources, believed to be owned by government. The government now wants us, as individuals, to be tagged and tracked. Government mandated or legislated National I.D. is unconstitutional anyway you look at it. Federal jurisdiction to legislate for the several states does not exist and could never survive a court challenge as shown above. Writing letters to elected public servants won't save us when we all know their agenda does not include serving those who placed them in power. Perhaps the 10th amendment of the federal constitution guaranteeing states rights will, if challenged, when making it known that we as individuals of the several states will not be treated as chattel of the U.S. government. If the federal government believes they own us, and as such have the right to demand national I.D. cards, and health I.D. cards, which will in truth tag us as we tag our animals, then let them bring forth the documents to prove their authority to legislate for it. If our G-D given rights to liberty and freedom, which were the foundation upon which this nation was created do not exist, and liberty and freedom is only an illusion under which the American people suffer, then let the governments of this nation come forward and tell the people. But...if we are indeed free, then we should not have to plead or beg before our elected public servants to be treated as such.


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War Cycles Peace Cycles -- Smythe, 06:36:45 06/20/06 Tue [1]

"If there is only $10 in existence, and you lend it to someone
under the condition that he repay $11, and if he agrees to this, he
has agreed to the impossible."


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Intervention -- Smythe, 05:47:16 06/19/06 Mon [1]

The protagonists of free gold markets over on Kitco, with Disney leading the charge, fail to take into account the FED and its sister central banks' chartered intervention in the interest rates and the supply of money, which cannot affect the price of gold. Can it ?

All the arguments of the freemarketers are moot from that premise onwards.


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Hypocracy II -- Smythe, 03:20:52 06/19/06 Mon [1]

Philip Green has been knighted by the queen. He was the guy who went from barrow boy to getting his hands on £800million , via his banking bretheren, to purchase a retail chain store. He then borrowed a further £1bn pounds , via his banking bretheren, and paid himself £1bn bonus. A few weeks later he announced that the pension fund was underfunded and employees would get pennies in the pound for their pensions AND they would have to work longer. ie the employees are working for Green's life of opulence and the company has a stinking balance sheet.

That must be worth a knighthood. Another example of how the game is played and how the bretheren are leading the charge and are way over represented, for greed is good.


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Hypocracy I -- Smythe, 03:07:40 06/19/06 Mon [1]

"The deadliest war in the world

Congo's simmering conflict has killed 4 million"

This is the best example that the war in Iraq is not, was not, and was never intended to remove Saddam because he was a despot. He needed to be removed because he was not compliant to the west. Despots on a grander scale, and loss of life lurk elsewhere and nothing is done about it. The truth is the in Central Africa the war is convenient for the west because it facilitates the plunder of the regions rich resources back to companies in the west. In fact the UN listed the companies involved in this plunder and nobody has refuted it.


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i enjoyed this one -- normandy revulsion, 19:45:19 06/18/06 Sun [1]

Date: Sun Jun 18 2006 15:18
bw ( Commemorative Coins) ID#125249:
Copyright © 2002 bw/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
I propose a series of Commemorative Coins to be called "The Traitors of the Bush Administration". The coins are to be minted of lead with various impurities.

Bush will be featured on the 20 cent piece. He will be displayed in an erotic pose with one of his male sex partners, perhaps Gannon. Under bush will be displayed our Constitution upon which bush will be depicted defecating.


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@Allegiance to a piece of colored cloth is rather nonsensical. -- mozel, 19:19:24 06/18/06 Sun [1]

But no more so than equating a republic with a nation. Nonsense and ritual are brothers.


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Pledge, another point of view -- Maytag, 16:45:03 06/18/06 Sun [1]

The Pledge of Allegiance is a promise or oath of allegiance to the United States, and to its national flag. It is commonly recited in unison at public events, and especially in public school classrooms, where the Pledge is often a morning ritual. In its present form, the words of the Pledge are:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to The Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. According to current U.S. custom, as codified by the United States Congress, persons are expected (but not legally required) to recite the Pledge as follows:

by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute. Some US states, such as Texas, also have pledges of allegiance to their state flags. See Flag of Texas.

History

The Pledge of Allegiance was written for the popular children's magazine Youth's Companion by socialist author and Baptist minister Francis Bellamy on September 7, 1892. The owners of Youth's Companion were selling flags to schools, and approached Bellamy to write the Pledge for their advertising campaign. It was marketed as a way to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Columbus arriving in the Americas and was first published on the following day.

Bellamy's original Pledge read as follows: I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. It was seen by some Brightonians as a call for national unity and wholeness after the divisive Civil War. Bellamy had initially also considered using the words equality and fraternity but decided they were too controversial since many people still opposed equal rights for women and African Americans. Bellamy said that the purpose of the pledge was to teach obedience to the state as a virtue.

After a proclamation by President Benjamin Harrison, the Pledge was first used in public schools on October 12, 1892 during Columbus Day observances. The form adopted inserted the word "to" before "the Republic", a minor matter of grammar.

Students reciting the pledge on Flag Day in 1899.In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference called for the words my Flag to be changed to the Flag of the United States of America. The reason given was to ensure that immigrants knew to which flag reference was being made. The United States Congress officially recognized the Pledge as the official national pledge on December 28 , 1945.

In 1940 the Supreme Court, in deciding the case of Minersville School District v. Gobitis, ruled that students in public schools could be compelled to recite the Pledge, even Jehovah's Witnesses like the Gobitases, who considered the flag salute to be idolatry. In the wake of this ruling, there was a rash of mob violence and intimidation against Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1943 the Supreme Court reversed its decision, ruling in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette that matters of religious conviction should be safeguarded from political control.

The Knights of Columbus in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge. In New York City on April 22, 1951, the Board of Directors of the Knights of Columbus adopted a resolution to amend their recitation of Pledge of Allegiance at the opening of each of the meetings of the 800 Fourth Degree Assemblies of the Knights of Columbus by addition of the words "under God" after the words "one nation." In the following two years, the idea spread throughout Knights of Columbus organizations nationwide. On August 21, 1952, the Supreme Council of the Knights of Columbus at its annual meeting adopted a resolution urging that the change be made universal and copies of this resolution were sent to the President, the Vice President (as Presiding Officer of the Senate) and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. The National Fraternal Congress meeting in Boston on September 24, 1952, adopted a similar resolution upon the recommendation of its President, Supreme Knight Luke E. Hart. Several State Fraternal Congresses acted likewise almost immediately thereafter. This campaign led to several official attempts to prompt Congress to adopt the Knights of Columbus’ policy for the entire nation. These attempts failed...

Addition of the words "under God"

Though the Knights of Columbus tried, they were unsuccessful in their attempts to persuade the United States government to amend the pledge. It was a Presbyterian minister who made the difference by preaching a sermon about the words Lincoln uttered in central Pennsylvania in 1863. The minister was George MacPherson Docherty, a native of Scotland who was called to succeed Peter Marshall as pastor of the church where, in 1863, President Abraham Lincoln attended and even rented a pew. The church was the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church located just a couple of blocks from the White House. After Lincoln’s death, the pew that he rented became somewhat of a national monument. In honor of this holy site, it became customary for later United States presidents to attend the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church and sit in the Lincoln pew on the Sunday closest to Lincoln’s birthday (February 12th) each year. When Lincoln Sunday approached in February 1954, Rev. Docherty was fully aware that President Eisenhower was to be in attendance. But attendance at a Presbyterian church was more than just an annual ritual for Eisenhower. While President, Eisenhower was baptized a Presbyterian. In the spirit of the person being commemorated on this special Sunday, Docherty opted to make Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address the focus of his sermon. The title of the message was also lifted out of the Gettysburg Address, "A New Birth of Freedom." It was delivered on February 7, 1954, while President and Mrs. Eisenhower were occupying the Lincoln pew and a posse of Federal agents were occupying adjacent pews.

Docherty’s message began with a comparison of the United States to ancient Sparta. Docherty noted that a traveler to ancient Sparta was amazed by the fact that the Spartans’ national might was not to be found in their walls, their shields, or their weapons, but in their spirit. Likewise, said Docherty, the might of the United States should not be thought of as emanating from their newly developed Atomic weapons, but in their spirit, the "American way of life." In the remainder of the sermon Docherty sought to define as succinctly as possible the essence of the American spirit and way of life. To do so, Docherty appealed to those two words in Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address. According to Docherty, what has made the United States both unique and strong was her sense of being the nation that Lincoln described: a nation "under God." He took the opportunity to tell a story of a conversation with his children about the Pledge of Allegiance. Docherty was troubled by the fact that it did not include any reference to the deity. Without such reference, Docherty insisted that the Pledge could apply to just about any nation. He felt that the pledge should reflect the American spirit and way of life as defined by Lincoln.

After the service concluded, Rev. Docherty had opportunity to converse with President Eisenhower about the substance of the sermon. The President expressed his enthusiastic concurrence with Docherty’s view, and the very next day, Eisenhower had the wheels turning in Congress to incorporate Docherty’s suggestion into law. On February 8, 1954, Representative Charles Oakman (R-Mich), introduced a bill to that effect. On Lincoln’s birthday four days later, Rep. Charles Oakman made the following speech on the floor of the House:

Last Sunday, the President of the United States and his family occupied the pew where Abraham Lincoln worshipped. The pastor, the Reverend George M. Docherty, suggested the change in our Pledge of Allegiance that I have offered [as a bill]. Dr. Docherty delivered a wise sermon. He said that as a native of Scotland come to these shores he could appreciate the pledge as something more than a hollow verse taught to children for memory. I would like to quote from his words. He said: …there was something missing in the pledge, and that which was missing was the characteristic and definitive factor in the American way of life…

Mr. Speaker, I think Mr. Docherty hit the nail square on the head.'' Senator Homer Ferguson, in his report to the Congress, March 10, 1954, said that "the introduction of this joint resolution was suggested to me by a sermon given recently by the Rev. George M. Docherty, of Washington, D.C., who is pastor of the church at which Lincoln worshipped." This time Congress concurred with the Oakman-Ferguson resolution, and Eisenhower opted to sign the bill into law appropriately on Flag Day (June 14, 1954). The fact that Eisenhower clearly had Docherty’s rationale in mind as he initiated and consummated this measure is apparent in a letter he wrote in August, 1954. Paraphrasing Docherty’s sermon, Eisenhower said:

These words [“under God”] will remind Americans that despite our great physical strength we must remain humble. They will help us to keep constantly in our minds and hearts the spiritual and moral principles which alone give dignity to man, and upon which our way of life is founded. Docherty’s sermon was published by Harper & Bros. in New York in 1958 and President Eisenhower took the opportunity to write to Dr. Docherty with gratitude for the opportunity to once again read the fateful sermon.

Students reciting the pledge, using the Bellamy salute.On Flag Day, June 14, 1954, Congress passed the legislation adding the phrase "under God" to the Pledge.

Before World War II, the Pledge was begun with the right hand over the heart during the phrase "I pledge allegiance". The arm was then extended toward the Flag at the phrase "to the Flag", and it remained outstretched during the rest of the pledge, with the palm facing upward, as if to lift the flag. An earlier version, the Bellamy salute, also ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards, but began with the right hand in a military salute, not over the heart. Both of these salutes differed from the Roman salute, where the palm was toward the ground. However, during the war the outstretched arm became identified with Nazism and Fascism, and the custom was changed: today the Pledge is said from beginning to end with the right hand over the heart.

On June 24, 1999 the Senate passed a resolution sponsored by Senator Bob Smith of New Hampshire to recite the Pledge before each day's session.

The Pledge is also recited before many local city council meetings and school board meetings, as well as before some school functions.

Versions

Versions of the Pledge: (changes between versions are bolded; for reason of the changes, please see the History section)

1892 to 1923:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
1923 to 1954:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
1954 to Present:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."


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Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional -- Maytag, 11:01:53 06/17/06 Sat [1]

The entire Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional) ID#213188: - CONTENTS: The entire Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional ( including the explicit 2-word deification ) in government schools due to its anti libertarian use for the worship of government and in light of new discoveries including the fact that it was the origin of the salute of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Shocking historic photographs are at click here ...>click here ...>click here .... net/pledge2. html

QUESTION PRESENTED: Whether the entire Pledge of Allegiance ( or even the explicit 2-word deification alone ) violates the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment, as applicable through the Fourteenth Amendment, in government schools due to its anti libertarian use for the worship of government and in light of its history as the origin of the salute of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. More information is at <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://rexcurry.">http://rexcurry.</a> net/book1a1conte nts-pledge. html

SUMMARY OF THE ARGUMENT: The Pledge was written by a Christian Socialist who hated the U.S. Constitution and who wanted to destroy the U.S. Constitution and individual rights because he perceived it as a document that was intended to limit the size and scope of government, and that it would not allow the totalitarian government desired under Christian Socialism. The pledge was intended to push Christian Socialism in government schools through robotic ritualized chanting for the worship of government, socialism and its graven image ( the flag ) .

ARGUMENT: Long ago, before government became so massive and before the USA's growing police state, most children were not educated in government schools. Even after government schools began to be imposed ( with more taxation ) , there was no flag, and no robotic chanting in worship of government and its flag.

All of that changed.

For nearly fifty years, laws have been used to compel that flags be placed in each classroom and that teachers begin each day by leading children in robotic chanting in worship of government and its flag. Until the previous panel's courageous decision in this case, and its progeny, it seemed all was lost and no hope existed. Elk Grove Indep. Sch. Dist. v. Newdow, 542 U.S. 1 ( 2004 ) . All previous decisions that upheld the pledge in the past were made in utter ignorance about the pledge's putrid past, fostered by decades of propaganda repeated in government schools. Even the United States Supreme Court decisions seem to be based on propaganda and ignorance ( and therefore of questionable precedent ) . The other briefs filed in this case are also of questionable value in that they were probably penned by people who have similar ignorance, supplemented with years of learning propaganda. It is hoped that this brief will help to educate everyone about the pledge's horrible pedigree. The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a self-proclaimed Christian Socialist who wanted the government to takeover all schools in order to impose his dogma on everyone.

The original pledge was merely a small part of a much larger ceremony that was replete with religious references and worship when it first appeared in the Youth's Companion Magazine ( September 8, 1892 ) . The pledge is as unconstitutional as would be the rest of the ceremony in which it began. It is even more unconstitutional with the in-your-face 2-word deification that was added in 1954.

Francis Bellamy had been a preacher who was chased out of that profession because he used it as a pulpit for his Christian Socialism. After leaving there, Francis continued to push his Christian Socialism, but switched to using the government and government schools as a mandatory method to continue his obsession.

The people who hired Bellamy at the Youth's Companion and who gave him his pledge assignment were familiar with, and embraced, Bellamy's "Christian socialism." Francis had written and worked for his theology openly before then. In addition, Francis was cousin and cohort to Edward Bellamy, an internationally famous Christian Socialist. Both Bellamys had been openly involved in the national socialism movement and the "Nationalist" magazine. The Bellamys hated the Constitution because, way back then, people actually thought that it was supposed to limit the size and scope of government. The Bellamy dogma was supposed to have been impossible under the Constitution. Francis never mentions the Constitution in his original pledge ceremony.

Most government school students do not know that the 2-word deification in the pledge was not in the original. Undersigned counsel was the first to point out that Francis Bellamy did use the phrase in his original pledge ceremony. That ceremony also touts "Organic Christianity, " a new age, God and religion in various ways. A relative of Francis has been quoted as saying that Francis would have objected to the insertion of the phrase in 1954. That might be true in the sense that Francis would not want other people altering his work. It is probably not true in the sense for which the relative's claim is usually offered. There is no reason to think that the 2-word phrase would have bothered Francis at all if Francis had thought to put it in his own pledge. Francis was pushing "Christian Socialism." The phrase was in the ceremony but not in the pledge. That it was not in the pledge seems almost an oversight ( and it also ruins Francis' pledge beat, but that wasn't the point was it? ) . Francis' original ceremony also makes cryptic references to Edward Bellamy's Bible of National Socialism, and the industrial army, and states "We, the youth of America, who to-day unite to march as one army under the sacred flag, understand our duty." Due to his work at the Youth's Companion, Francis has been described as an advertising pioneer. It would make more sense to say that he was a very successful propaganda pioneer. He was America's Leni Riefenstahl. His work was more lasting and is still insanely popular to this day. Francis Bellamy was the cousin and cohort of Edward Bellamy, the author of "Looking Backward 2000-1887" an international bestseller that was called the "Bible of National Socialism." It was so popular that it was translated into every major language, including German, Russian, and Chinese. It immediately inspired a supportive political movement with "Nationalism Clubs" worldwide. The Bellamy dogma inspired socialists everywhere, including in the countries of the socialist Wholeast ( of which the Holocaust was a part ) : 65 million slaughtered under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; 49 million slaughtered under the Peoples' Republic of China; 21 million slaughtered under the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The dogma and the pledge also inspired violence in the USA against people who would not join in the worshipful chanting. Some perceptive people back then were not ignoramuses and had not been taught propaganda in government schools all of their lives. Religious children saw through the socialist's pledge and they refused robotic chanting because it was the worship of government, socialism, and a graven image. The government schools persecuted and expelled children who would not comply, arrested parents, and even took children from parents on allegations of "unfit parenting." There were acts of grotesque violence inspired by the pledge against people who would not join in the robotic chanting. The Bellamys adored the military and they wanted to nationalize the entire economy, and make everyone ape the military. They also called their dogma "military socialism" and they wanted government to take over all schools in order to create the "industrial army" from schoolchildren and spread their totalitarian vision. Francis was pleased to adopt his co-worker's suggestion that the pledge's initial gesture should be the military salute. The initial military salute was held for the phrase "I pledge allegiance" and then the hand was extended outward toward the flag. In actual use, the second part of the gesture was performed with a straight arm and palm down by children extending the military salute while perfunctorily performing the forced ritual chanting. Photographs confirm it and that is why such photographs are never shown in schools, in the media, in court decisions, and are difficult to find. Due to the way that both gestures were used sequentially in the pledge, the military salute led to the salute of the National Socialist German Workers Party ( NSGWP ) . The NSGWP salute is an extended military salute via the pledge. The straight-arm salute with the palm down was not an "ancient Roman salute" and the "ancient Roman salute" is a myth. There are various ways that the myth could have begun: early silent movies ( all well after the Pledge spread ) used the pledge gesture in fictional Roman scenes; Francis was from Rome, New York and he referenced Rome in the original pledge ceremony. Mussolini also eventually adopted the salute and some people might have called it the "Roman salute" in reference to his location, and from there others mistakenly assumed that the description referenced an older history in Rome. Francis' original description had the palm turned upward as if to say "Here is the flag." But that does not change the fact that his pledge was not performed in that manner, and he knew it was not performed in that manner, and he apparently never objected to it being performed with the palm down. It would be fascinating to know what Francis Bellamy was thinking in the 1920's ( when the NSGWP began ) . In 1931, Francis Bellamy died in Tampa, Florida at age 76. He died just as his salute and ideas became even more infamous. He had lived long enough to see part of the socialist slaughter in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the beginning of the National Socialist German Workers' Party aping his straight-arm salute. Even when it was performed with the palm up, intelligent people still feared the bizarre ritual, and even moreso when the 1930's arrived. Many religious people were persecuted for refusing to give the straight-arm salute to the national flag. That was the national flag of the USA and of Germany. It was happening in the USA ( to the stars and stripes ) and in Germany ( to the swastika flag ) at the same time. They were good reasons to consider the pledge and the salute to be the sacrilegious worship of government. The world forgets that German National Socialists did not call their symbol a swastika. Most people do not know that a cross was worshiped as the notorious symbol of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The group called their symbol the Hakenkreuz, not the swastika. Hakenkreuz means "hooked cross." Although the swastika was an ancient symbol, Professor Rex Curry discovered that it was also used sometimes by German National Socialists to represent "S" letters for their "socialism." With a 45 degree turn of his Hakenkreuz, the leader of German National Socialists combined the cross with collectivism, merged church and state, meshed religion and socialism, and mandated the worship of government. <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://rexcurry.">http://rexcurry.</a> net/book1a1conte nts-swastika. html People forget that members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party did not refer to themselves by the n-word ( the modern hackneyed shorthand term ) . They also did not refer to themselves with the common f-word either. That type of forgetfulness breeds ignorance and myths about the pledge. That type of ignorance is shown in an old pledge case from the U.S. Supreme Court case, West Virginia v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 ( 1943 ) . In Barnette, the Court noted that, "Objections to the salute as 'being too much like Hitler's' were raised by the Parent and Teachers Association, the Boy and Girl [319 U.S. 624, 628] Scouts, the Red Cross, and the Federation of Women's Clubs. ( Fn. 3 ) Some modification appears to have been made in deference to these objections, but no concession was made to Jehovah's Witnesses. ( Fn. 4 ) . What is now required is the 'stiff-arm' salute, the saluter to keep the right hand raised with palm turned up while the following is repeated: 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of [319 U.S. 624, 629] America and to the Republic for which it stands; one Nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' The Court's footnote 3 stated "The National Headquarters of the United States Flag Association takes the position that the extension of the right arm in this salute to the flag is not the Nazi-Fascist salute, 'although quite similar to it. In the Pledge to the Flag the right arm is extended and raised, palm Upward, whereas the Nazis extend the arm practically straight to the front ( the finger tips being about even with the eyes ) , palm Downward, and the Fascists do the same except they raise the arm slightly higher.' James A. Moss, The Flag of the United States: Its History and Symbolism ( 1914 ) 108." In the footnote, Moss uses the hackneyed shorthand terms that were NOT used by the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and Moss follows the modern habit of never using the actual name of the Party. Thus, Moss ( and the Court ) is prevented from making any connection to the Bellamy dogma of National Socialism ( of which the writer was probably unaware anyway ) . The descriptions of the foreign salutes is not only inaccurate, but Moss thus misses their source in the early Pledge of Allegiance, with the question never even crossing his mind. The section states that the original Youth's Companion describes a different gesture, but the section fails to face the fact that the Youth's Companion gesture is NOT how the pledge was actually performed ( until, as Barnette notes, people started to complain about the fact that it was the SAME, and the government realized that they weren't mandating the original description. Later, the government gave up and went for the hand-over-the- heart. IT is amazing that Congress decided to inject itself into the mess, and that it did so after the USA was in WWII ) . There is support for the religious connection from other authors who compare the Holocaust under the National Socialist German Workers Party to an Inquisition ( including religious persecution ) undertaken by the leader of German National Socialism under his religious beliefs. Many of those people in Germany were persecuted, and some were killed. They were also persecuted in the USA for refusing to perform the straight-arm salute in worship of the national flag and the government during the Pledge of Allegiance. Jewish Folks and Jehovah's Witnesses, and blacks and people of various races and backgrounds were required by law to perform the straight-arm salute in government schools in robotic chanting every morning at the ring of a government bell ( just as it is done today but with a different gesture ) . The USA was doing the straight arm salute to the national flag for three decades before German National Socialists started doing the same thing. Some of the major Supreme Court cases in the USA started in the 1930's and weren't decided until the 1940's. At first, the religious children were unsuccessful as plaintiffs and they were expelled from the socialist schools for refusing to perform the straight-arm salute and robotically chant the pledge. The children had to use the many better alternatives, including home-schooling and their own church or temple schools, but they ( and their schools ) were often persecuted by socialists there also. It is sad to note that during the same time period in the USA, religious folks who were fleeing the National Socialist German Workers' Party ( NSGWP ) were turned away from the USA, and knowingly sent to suffering and death. That happened because of socialists who support restrictions on immigration and restrictions on every American's right to hire, to do business, and to freely associate. It was similar to today. Socialists in the USA still support restrictions on immigration and they reject the right of every American in living with, marrying, renting to, selling to, buying from, hiring ( as housekeeper, lawn man, doctor, nanny, teacher etc ) any person with whom that American wishes to associate. People forget the past. The Bellamys were bigots, racists, and xenophobes and they obsessed about immigrants coming into the USA. They wanted to impose a heavy-handed method of brain-washing immigrants and all Americans into accepting their Christian Socialism. Because of the Bellamys, the USA has a long history of turning immigrants away from being good Americans and independent capitalists, and in turning immigrants into socialists who are dependent on government. The Bellamys promoted a government takeover of schools. When the government granted their wish, the government schools imposed segregation by law and taught racism as official government policy. In 1939, the National Socialist German Workers' Party and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics joined as allies to invade Poland in a pact to divide up Europe. After WWII, Stalin and Mao went on to kill even more people. It led to the socialist Wholecaust ( of which the Holocaust was a part ) : 62 million killed under the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; 49 million under the Peoples' Republic of China; 21 million under the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Many Americans are sad examples of how places like that come into existence, grow so large, last so long, and kill so many. At the height of National Socialism abroad, the USA's government deliberately fell farther into the same abyss with national numbering of humans imposed in 1935 with the social security system. The federal government was growing massively and attempting to nationalize the economy in many ways. The US Supreme Court struck down much of the new legislation as unconstitutional until justices were pressured by the "switch in time that socialized nine." Authors of books about the Pledge of Allegiance try to make their stories relevant to current events. Such stories are relevant to the fact that the present government in the USA is anti libertarian and is out-socializing the previous administration by more than double and growing ( in social spending ALONE ) . The demonic dogma of socialism and human sacrifice is still growing all over the world. The USA still follows similar anti libertarian policies promoted by the Bellamys. Many socialist Bellamy policies caused the USA's big, expensive and oppressive government and its growing police-state. The Pledge still exists along with laws mandating that teachers lead the robotic pledge chanting every day for twelve years of each child's life ( though the salute was altered ) . The government still owns and operates schools, including the same schools that imposed segregation by law and taught racism as official government policy. The U.S. practice of imposing segregation by law in government schools and teaching racism as official policy even outlasted the National Socialist German Workers' Party by over 15 years. After segregation in government's schools ended, the Bellamy legacy caused more police-state racism of forced busing that destroyed communities and neighborhoods and deepened hostilities. Those schools still exist. Infants are given social security numbers that track and tax them for life. Government schools demand the numbers for enrollment. Real Americans don't pledge allegiance. Real Americans declare their independence. It is in keeping with THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE ( U.S. 1776 ) . If government's schools taught the true history of the pledge, then no child would chant it. If Americans knew the truth, then the pledge would cease to exist. Fight the flag hags and their flag fetish. Government's schools should not teach kids to verbally fellate flags each morning. It is like a brainwashed cult of the omnipotent state. For adults it is childish. The Pledge of Allegiance is emotional masturbation. The federal government has no place in education and it is tyrannical. Federal flags are at schools to prevent liberty and to impose National Socialism. The Pledge is the most visible sign of the USA's growing police state. Remove the Pledge from the flag, the flags from schools, and the schools from government.
CONCLUSION For the foregoing reasons, undersigned counsel files this amicus curiae brief arguing that the Court uphold the district court's injunction.

Respectfully submitted,

____________ _________ ____ REX CURRY Attorney At Law


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A predominance of ‘Jew Bolsheviks’ is noted in the cultural fields, the brainwashing section, and the new-speak department. -- The Cheka, 19:56:24 06/15/06 Thu [1]

In the nineteen twenties the Jewish internationalists purged the history books. Radical ideological reeducation by race haters like Goykhbarg, Larin, Radek, and Rotstein began by deleting and forbidding such concepts as ‘Russian history’ and ‘Great Russian,’ putting them on the black list of counter-revolutionary terminology.


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Even in the purge year of 1936 one still sees a disproportionately high representation in the "People’s Commissariat of Jews: -- The Cheka, 19:55:17 06/15/06 Thu [1]

" Litvinov-Finkelstein, Yagoda, Rosenholz, Weizer, Kalmanovich, Kaganovich. In the same government Sozhenitsyn observes whole groups of people’s commissars (ministers) with the names Solz, Gamarnik, Gurevich, and Ginzburg. These are only a few of the hundreds.


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Commissioned by the NKVD, the Jewish designer of execution systems, Grigori Mayranovsky, -- NKVD, 19:51:52 06/15/06 Thu [1]

invented the gas chair. When, in 1951, Mayranovsky, as the former head of the NKVD Laboratory Institute, was himself incarcerated, he wrote to Beria:

"Please do not forget that by my hand hundreds enemy-pigs of the Soviet State found their deserved end."

The mobile gassing truck was invented and tested by Isay Davidovich Berg, head of the NKVD Economics Division in the Moscow region.


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The Jewish commissars in charge of the anti-kulak program, which was tantamount to genocide, -- Gerson, Luszki, and Yagoda, 19:21:29 06/15/06 Thu [1]

were literally the masters over life and death.

In 1936, after the slaughter of the peasantry "at the hands of the Bolshevik Jews," the death bell began to toll for those who had been responsible for the carnage. For the first time in a Russian historical work, their names are listed: Ya. Yakovlev-Epstein, M. Kolmanovich, G. Roschal, V. Feygin. (p. 285)


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It was part of Stalin’s tactical game not just to tolerate Jews in his own entourage, but also deliberately to place them in leading positions -- 'Jew Bolsheviks', 19:18:57 06/15/06 Thu [1]

so that later he would have plausible grounds for turning them over to the executioner on grievous charges. Such was the case in the murderous collectivization program in 1928-1933 to which the names of prominent ‘Jew Bolsheviks’ were attached. Stalin was well aware of the hate city Jews had for everything related to the Russian and Ukrainian peasantry. They spread terror, killing the peasants and destroying the villages, eventually causing the famine that took the lives of at least six million Ukrainians.


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Lenin exhibited neither doubt nor compromise in this matter. "He had no reservations about exterminations." To destory and exterminate was his intend. -- Cheka-Lubyanka-Gulag, 19:11:50 06/15/06 Thu [1]

For this destruction and extermination, Sverdlov, Dzerzhinski, and Trotsky were his most powerful allies. None of them was Russian. Lenin’s executioners in Yekaterinburg and the Ural governments were not Russians. The bloody careers of Goloshekin and Beloborodov, the Party terrorists and Ural mafia killers, are described on pp. 90-91. Yankel Yurovsky, who boasted "it was my revolver that knocked off Nicholas on the spot," certainly was not a Russian.


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Israeli historian Aron Abramovitch who in 1982 in Tel Aviv wrote: -- Natanson, Steinberg, and Kamkov, 19:05:49 06/15/06 Thu [1]

"In October 1917 the Jewish contingent of soldiers played a decisive role in the preparation and execution of the armed Bolshevik uprising in Petrograd and other cities as well as in the following battles in the course of suppressing rebellions against the new Soviet power."

The famed Latvian Rifle Regiment of the 12th Army, Lenin’s praetorian guard, had a Jewish commissar, Nachimson, in charge.


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deadly hate -- The Cheka, 18:49:43 06/15/06 Thu [1]

On the basis of document analysis, Solzhenitsyn states that Lenin had three reasons for elevating young secular, revolutionary-minded Jews to the State’s elite, in effect replacing the Tsarist bureaucracy. First, because of the deadly hate the young Jews had for Russian traditions, religious rites, historical models, hate for everything Russian and Russia itself. Second, their willingness to cross the last taboo borders in morality. And third, their readiness to physically liquidate the enemy.


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– self-righteousness, aggressive tactlessness and presumptive arrogance – -- Amos, 15:27:16 06/15/06 Thu [1]

on prideful militant jewish display.


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@Militant Jewish Pride; What's wrong with its works ? -- Stolypin, 14:47:56 06/15/06 Thu [1]

"The first Russian premier minister, who had honorably set the task of establishing equal rights for Jews and had even opposed the Tsar in attempting to realize it, was killed at the hands of a Jew. Was it an irony of history?" ( p. 431 )

The assassin was Mordko Hershovich Bogrov, a university student, grandson of a liquor concessionaire and son of a millionaire. When he fired his Browning at Stolypin, Bogrov was 23 years old. Those shots brought the process of Russian reformation, including Stolypin’s measures to lift anti-Jewish restrictions, to a fateful end by their own hands.
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"But if we ask ourselves which way are we heading, -- mozel, 22:55:32 06/13/06 Tue [1]

tiny steps at a time: toward more personal liberty or toward greater government control over our lives, the answer would unambiguously be the latter. We Americans face an awesome challenge and responsibility because if liberty dies here, it's probably dead for all places and all times."
- Walter Williams

So an urgent, permanent question in America is what will contribute or not to meeting that challenge and responsibility ?


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"[T]he threat to liberty in the 21st century is the same as it has been throughout mankind's history. -- mozel, 22:50:48 06/13/06 Tue [1]

That threat is use of the coercive powers of government, under the color of law, to take the rightful property of some people and give to others, and the forcible imposition of the will of one group of people on another group. Such acts, most often done in the name of good, explain the ugliest portions of human history. The question is whether America will degenerate into what has been mankind's standard fare throughout history. We have yet to see the kind of arbitrary control, abuse and violation of basic human rights seen elsewhere."
-Walter Williams


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@woofers -- mozel, 13:31:20 06/13/06 Tue [1]

As the chaos of voices of the godless, heathen, fundamentally ignorant, cavorting merrily in the electronic soup, drown out any theme sound from the history of man, nihilism encroaches, even without being enunciated. Assimilation of mankind to brutish life in the cultural wasteland of unrestrained appetites advances. Because it's de-odorized and not nasty and extended not short, it seems to the assimilated to be better. But really it's only better in the same sense that a show dog has it better than a farm dog.


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Shalom JewBoy -- Moishe Steinberg, 06:41:19 06/13/06 Tue [1]

The only thing Smythe could possibly beat would be his itty bitty schmeckle if he can find it.


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trash for trash -- JewBoy, 15:25:55 06/12/06 Mon [1]

Smythe. who turned over your rock? go race cars in the streets and beat up your wife when you come home drunk. that's what you good goys do best. it is your kind that is ruining this country. Jews can't depend on slaves who wake up late in the morning from a drunk or from an assault charge.

BWP. I'm sending you an email. beam me up from this cesspool.


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Cesspit -- Smythe, 15:03:50 06/12/06 Mon [1]


Pascal, previously of the juvenile joke, reverts back to type as he and his Chosen Ones bretheren once again become the shylock pornographers and trash the place. A metaphor for what is happening to America.


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BWP -- Joe Goldstein, 14:06:27 06/12/06 Mon [1]

You have mail.


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BWP -- Joe Goldstein, 13:58:13 06/12/06 Mon [1]

THanks for the invite, I still have your e-mail ok with you?
I will send you a request.


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"Why should a JEW NOT display a little militent pride? " -- Mel Brooks, 13:27:38 06/12/06 Mon [1]

Yeah, why NOT ?


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Great Site, Mozel .... -- Brian W. Pascal, 12:51:24 06/12/06 Mon [1]

... and great ta see the Heebs with balls speak out ... Yehudi, thanks fer the kind words ... Rip has always been an asshole ... Moishe, Joe and the other Jews here, you are more than welcome to post on Goldblogger ... email me fer a password ... pascal@goldblogger.net ... tell 'em Brian sent ya ... the rest of you nazi creeps can stay here and pour out yer drivel ...


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liberal communist prick -- Yehudi, 11:30:06 06/12/06 Mon [1]

Date: Mon Jun 12 2006 13:46
RIP (Miro's prolly busy posting on mozel's site.)ID#409404:
LOL. Nice place. I think Pascal has made a guest appearance

Rip. BWP has more balls and brains than your entire gang of sickly apologists. You and your ilk sit behind your computer and spew garbage anonymously while your betters get involved in trying to come out with solutions. BWP hides behind nothing and no one. You'll never be half the man he is.


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under every rock -- JewBoy, 08:53:11 06/12/06 Mon [1]

Smythe. you infest this planet like cockroaches. you and your kind swill beer and pretend your life is worth something. long after you die the Jews will be here. they will prosper while your kind gets shafted by our jesus-loving government. get over it. spend time with your family before you all get sprayed.

Moishe. they run but they can't hide. Jews should track them down and confront them everywhere. sitting back and trying to "fit in" has cost the Jews too much.


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So -- Smythe, 08:30:49 06/12/06 Mon [1]

These clever people keep walking into the cattle trucks. Time and time again. Must be very clever.


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Looks like the stupid Goys are on -- Moishe Steinberg, 08:23:13 06/12/06 Mon [1]

The run!


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Hello -- JewBoy, 08:21:47 06/12/06 Mon [1]

shalom Yehudi. erev tov. do you understand what Mozel writes on kitco? i went to school. i took english. i graduated with honors. i do not understand what he writes. do they teach the goys english? what a waste of time. what bothers me more are the Jews on kitco who pretend they are not and play along with the jesus-trash nazis. they are equivalent to the nazi collaborators during the War. they make me sick to my stomach. not one of them stands up and defends the Jews from the hatred on that board. they are trash like the rest.


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Payback is a bitch -- Yehudi, 07:41:16 06/12/06 Mon [1]

Shalom, JewBoy. Boker tov. Let's see how the goys take the heat like they have been dishing out. This Mozel chap seems like a nice guy but he's a jesusfreak and there's no cure except to put him to work for the Jews. The more of them contributing to the support of Israel the better.


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"Why should a JEW NOT display a little militent pride? " -- mozel, 07:29:43 06/12/06 Mon [1]

The asking of this question admits knowledge of its answer.


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hard work -- JewBoy, 06:56:02 06/12/06 Mon [1]

Smythe. honest hard workers? try spending less time at the rodeo and bars and get yourself an education. you are a dimwit and the Jews love dimwits to carry out their plans. here's a fact for you. at least 30% of your lowly earnings goes to a Jew somewhere. you are a slave and will remain a slave until you die. maybe jesus will get your money back but you will still be a dimwit. misery and poverty for the underclass is a just reward for your stupidity. go to work and fill the pockets of the Jews. do not forget to also leave what is left of your money in the plate at church. LOL . you are truly fucked. between jesus and the Jews you do not stand a chance.


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Confirmation -- Smythe, 05:01:15 06/12/06 Mon [1]

There you have it. Finally they admit to controlling the banking cartel and therefore the FED, and so they gloat over how they steal from honest hardworking people via inflation, and they have no qualms on how these honest hard workers have to slave for nearly six months in every year to pay for the tax on the paper promises. They eventually bring only misery and poverty. These people deserve all the hell that periodically comes their way. They never learn and are doomed to repeat the past ad infinitum. For one day those workers will rise and dust off the guillotine and then you will hear the pips squeak.


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Quinston, here is a joke on you -- Yehudi, 19:44:32 06/11/06 Sun [1]

That stuff between your ears is making you stupid. It is the same stuff that they use to feed pigs. Ask jesus to give you a brain.


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Jewboy..........JOke for you -- Quinston, 19:18:25 06/11/06 Sun [1]

How come Jews don't eat pussy?


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Too close to the gas chamber.............


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go slink -- JewBoy, 19:11:07 06/11/06 Sun [1]

maytag. we kikes have the field? we run the whole fucking global banking system you prick. did you learn to hate Jews because the priest who was sodomizing you whispered in your how evil they were? like Mozel says, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the foundry


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Jew -- Maytag, 18:55:21 06/11/06 Sun [1]

You weren't retired soldier either when you became Franklin. Then, eat crow time. I'm slinking away. The kikes have the field, but it's a small one man army. lol


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show no mercy -- JewBoy, 18:31:19 06/11/06 Sun [1]

shalom, Moishe. these goys are all the same. they are not happy until you bend them over, shove a statue of jesus up their ass and hand them a budweiser. i'm surprised these illiterate jesus-trash nazi posters know how to write


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TOP HAT -- Moishe Steinberg, 18:03:04 06/11/06 Sun [1]

You must really be stupid to think that everyone who identifies himself as a Jew could be Franklin, that is the problem with so called "Christian" rednecks. They are as stupid as they think everyone else is.


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just another nazi site -- JewBoy, 11:06:28 06/11/06 Sun [1]

the internet is cawling with nazis and anti-semetic jesus assholes. damn right the Jews run the planet. can you imagine these cockroaches running things? the Hebrew G_d pisses on your kind. soon you will be sprayed.


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Goldstein -- TopHat, 08:34:44 06/11/06 Sun [1]

Goldstein, it wasn't me who tried to kill your race. Get over it. You and Jesse need some attitude readjustment.

OK, you are not Franklin (snikker). So go enjoy your son and grandkids for a couple of days. And don't believe everyone is as slow-witted as you are Franklin.


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Further fo "TOP HAT" aka dizzyschmuck (or maybe Beeg BOG -- Joe Goldstein, 07:37:58 06/11/06 Sun [1]

Why should a JEW NOT display a little militent pride? After all idiots like yourself and Hitler,Stalin,Arafat and the rest of your "Heros" have been trying to wipe us out all through history.


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TOP HAT -- Joe Goldstein, 07:25:55 06/11/06 Sun [1]

You sould like the dizzneyschmuck in disguise, I am not Retired Soldier or anyone else. I was not in the Army.


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Joe Goldstein -- TopHat, 14:36:35 06/10/06 Sat [1]

Hey Joe Goldstein AKA J. Franklin, AKA Retired Soldier.

You wear your jewish heritage just like Jesse Jackson wears his black heritage. Both of you are single minded bigots.

Soul food bagels. ROTFLMAO


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Just testing -- sailor, 11:58:00 06/10/06 Sat [1]

I see there are folks trying to put restriction what is said on this forum ... oh my ... and then they go back to Kitco an complain about "complaining"

This is really funny game ... and thus have a good luck with new "Gold forum" which is not really that ... just another bitch and moan forum ...


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Fat Man and Normandy -- Maytag, 10:14:35 06/10/06 Sat [1]

I don't see how you can "AKA" those two. Normandy is crazy. The Fat Man is just a fat bag of hot air. Two different nuts imho.


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Now we shall see what -- Joe Goldstein, 09:32:17 06/10/06 Sat [1]

The rabid anti-semite "Normandy Revulsion" AKA Fat Man and several other handles has to say on the subject.


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Maytag -- Joe Goldstein, 09:26:40 06/10/06 Sat [1]

Good Marks for you! Most if the idiots that use that term are using 'CODE" really meaning Israel supporters, Zionists, Militent Jews etc, which of course anyone with any sense at all knows if false.


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Neocon -- Maytag, 09:06:18 06/10/06 Sat [1]

Neoconservatism (or neocon) refers to the political movement, ideology, and public policy goals of "new conservatives" in the United States, that are relatively unopposed to "big government" principles and believe in limited restrictions on social spending.

The prefix "neo" can denote that many of the movement's founders, originally liberals, Democrats or from socialist backgrounds, were new to conservatism, but can also refer to the comparatively recent emergence of this "new wave" of conservative thought, which coalesced in the early 1970s from a variety of intellectual roots in the decades following World War II. It also serves to distinguish the ideology from the viewpoints of "old" or traditional American conservatism.


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Normand Revulsion -- Joe Goldstein, 08:56:05 06/10/06 Sat [1]

Only if they can give a concise definition of neo-con, which I have never seen by all the so called "enlightened" dim wits who have tried. Take your best shot.


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Test -- normandy revulsion, 21:05:41 06/09/06 Fri [1]

i was unaware of this forums existance, until i just clicked on a link from K1.. Are anti neocon's permitted to post here..


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Kitco replacement forum -- Dave D, 07:15:50 06/09/06 Fri [1]

Not hardly.


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New Forum -- Tony Miella, 06:42:54 06/09/06 Fri [1]

Is this the new discussion forum that is to replace Kitco?


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Subject: Disenyschmuck -- darnel, 01:19:16 06/09/06 Fri [1]

I have to agree that disney doesn't own any gold or gold
stocks - if you even just casually go through his buys
and sells he has to have lost a lot of money if he had
eg his recommendation to purchase drooy at 1.58 - while
every other gold stock is up 30-40% drooy is down alot -
disney has been the greatest contrary indicator there
has ever been - if he is not allowed to post on kitco
after their reorganization it will be the loss of a
quite accurate indicator.

I didn't know his wife was Jewish but going through the
kitco archives he indeed has said she was - the question
is then - how could someone married to a Jewish wife be so
anti-semitic - maybe it is just another indicator of his
mental pathology.

As all posts which contain the name disney seem to get
deleted - I want to be on record that calvf, pmu, slglf,
cghi and some other 'gold option' stocks did well the last
upswing and hopefully will this next upswing when it happens.
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Gold further comments -- Bullishonsilver, 18:32:12 06/08/06 Thu [1]

thanks for the gold advice. $610 was a buy target for me. However, June/July probably going to be weak. Who knows. But what you say is good to know.

buy&hold, yeh I think the real action comes next year.


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Gold further comments -- Joe Goldstein, 11:46:46 06/08/06 Thu [1]

I was fortunate enough to have started buying gold in the 1960s, sold off a lot in the first big runup in the 70s, bought much more after it crashed buying more in the upper 270s thru 350s holding for much higher prices now.

Buy and hold ALWAYS.

Same with real estate.
NO Stocks what ever.


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Bullishonsilver -- Joe Goldstein, 11:40:48 06/08/06 Thu [1]

Best advice I can give on goldmarket is that IF you bought before the runup past 500 you are a fool to sell any just yet.

I would watch carefully to see if it goes below 500 now before buying any.

I know its not breaking news about the Disneyschmuck, hopefully he will be one of the ones to GO when Bart makes changes,failing that he should be publicly censured for his endless attacks on anyone to he disagrees with in his "Superior Intellectual Prowess" (GAG) This also applies toabout 15 others (Mostly expat Americans and a few unenlightened Canadians,and east coasters,1 or 2 Aussies and some Fremchmen.


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Inflation talk -- Smythe, 10:16:27 06/08/06 Thu [1]

All this inflation talk is a desperate jawbone to offset the yen carry trade unwinding ,as Japan tightens. But further out on the yield curve there is no co-operation for out there yields are falling. Oh my ! Now what ? Banks cannot function with inverted yield curve, and the FED CANNOT allow their paper(toilet) to go unsold. Check mate.....


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Double bottom on the HUI ? -- Smythe, 05:08:42 06/08/06 Thu [1]

Still looks like a gold bull market.


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De Beers losing out -- Smythe, 05:05:38 06/08/06 Thu [1]

The worldwide fight back from the third world to gain control of their own resources spreads to Africa. Bad luck that the govt gets control, but 1st step to disown the guys who stole it in the first place :

"In round figures (and De Beers does not disclose the matter precisely) what with mining taxes, diamond taxes, profit shares and so on, De Beers was only being left with some 20% of the profits generated by the Botswana mines. The figures are complicated to say the least – that helps explain why agreement took two years to conclude – but the latest agreement has increased the government’s share of the pie. De Beers is now having to scrape by with a share of the Botswana revenues now running at 17% to 18%. "


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Airstrikes on Taliban -- Smythe, 04:58:26 06/08/06 Thu [1]

That famous peace just refuses to break out. Instead it just gets worse.

Russians bombed the Taliban for ten years and still got their asses kicked out of Afghan. Another bunch doomed to repeat past failures:


U.S. Airstrikes on Afghanistan Top 750 for May
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198531,00.html">click here


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FED -- Smythe, 04:27:06 06/08/06 Thu [1]

Those investment banks who own the FED get the inside dope before anyone else on monetary policy as well as holding the auctions of the treasury bonds. In addition those banks run those Caribbean hedge funds that front up the bond demand carnies, regardless of the stooges that are offered up(probably by the banks) to be nominally chosen as FED committee members by a bunch of politicians who would not know a piece of gold from a slab of lead. The investment banks control the whole money changing/usury operation that robs honest people of their savings. We know who are in charge of the investment banks. The usual suspects. The same guys who run laundry operations in Las Vegas and the same guys who have the media sewn up. All purchased with the ill gotten usury gains from the sweat of the honest working stiffs.

Censor that.


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Disneyschmuck and Boob on the ropes today. -- Bullishonsilver, 23:21:30 06/07/06 Wed [1]

Joe, you ain't breaking news that JD can be a porcupine.

Why don't you share with us some of your insights about the markets. Because right now that is what people are searching for.

Something tells me you have insights. I don't think you are just here to talk about JD.


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Disneyschmuck and Boob on the ropes today. -- Joe Goldstein, 11:25:06 06/07/06 Wed [1]

Smarter persons then they are scoring bigtime.


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"In the same blase tone he used to describe how lovers and rats were routinely butchered and buried, -- mozel, 11:10:32 06/07/06 Wed [1]

gangster Stephen Flemmi claimed yesterday that the more blood he spilled with his partner in crime James WhiteyBulger, the bigger their FBI fan club grew."
click here ...


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Gold in a central bank constitutes a warchest -- mozel, 08:57:53 06/07/06 Wed [1]

and, unless coined and circulated on demand, drains the civil society of wealth, if incorruptibility and true one by one accounting are essential attributes of wealth. People whose time horizon is lunchtime never will understand this. It's like a coded message on a public facade. All the knowledge beyond our understanding is secret knowledge to us. The natural aristocracy does not need ciphers for their secrets, though they may for their safety. Their secrets remain secret even when displayed in plain view. It's only political aristocracies which depend on codes for purposes of political domination by lesser breeds.

If gold in a central bank vault constitutes a warchest, so does gold in your pocket or hiding place.


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@The Chinese stock market is a phrase which sane men only utter in company with a guffaw. -- mozel, 07:47:16 06/07/06 Wed [1]

Using the phrase in making some comparison to 1929 is an example of cyber puerility. These days have about as much in common with 1929 as a Punch and Judy puppet show has with Star Wars. The sighted world must be becoming more and more incredibly alien to the blind, as the sighted assimilate their consciousness to the e-waves of the electronic soup. Western culture has been removed, by the psyops controllers and their commerical associates, from the libraries, salons, stages, and manicured gardens of the Enlightenment to what was originally condemned as a great wasteland. This cybernalia and crime, by which I do not mean the terrorism mythos covered in electronic soup, are connected. As the chaos of voices of the godless heathen fundamentally ignorant cavorting merrily in the electronic soup drown out any theme sound from the history of man, nihilism advances, even without being enunciated. Assimilation of mankind to brutish life in the cultural wasteland of unrestrained appetites advances. Because its deordorized and not nasty and extended not short, it seems to the assimilated to be better. But really it's only better in the same sense that a show dog has it better than a farm dog.


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@Commentary concerning the lastest episode of the -- mozel, 23:38:10 06/06/06 Tue [1]

animated feature starring Bernanke reminded me of scenes from the Cargo Cult documentary.
Now that the financial rubicon to Never Never Land has been crossed, which was the significance of the earlier episode entitled "Congress and Treasury throw Fannie & Freddie and Lifeline", the writers seem stumped and the special effects budget seems paltry beside the requirments.
I think the answer may lie in allowing more agencies than merely the CIA and the DOD to write their own checks.
People have become obsessed with the Fed. I suppose the fact it's one of the few outfits in town that still publishes financial reports explains this. But they need to get Bernanke out of the spotlight. He looks too much like the Lenin Meme. The Fed ought to suspend reporting all the M's not simply M3. The media would leave the Fed alone if it would just stop publishing numbers. Its attention would naturally gravitate to the economists and confidence could be made safe.


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Let This Sink In -- mozel, 19:01:18 06/06/06 Tue [1]

"International Monetary Fund (IMF) seems to have had apparently directed member central banks to double-count their gold when it had been leased or swapped or otherwise had left a central bank’s vault or possession".


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Disenyschmuck -- Joe Goldstein, 16:15:57 06/06/06 Tue [1]

Owns no gold. His wife may, she is the smart one and he claims she is Jewish.


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Federal Reserve Ownership -- Maytag, 09:45:20 06/06/06 Tue [1]

I really would rather not get into name calling, so cool it. I will.

Here are some facts regarding ownership of the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is an independent agency of the United States Government. The Chairman of the Fed is appointed by the President of the United States, subject to approval of congress. (435 members, not foreigners).

[quote] Ownership of stock of the Bank, issued to member depository institutions in accordance with law, ... Bylaws, Federal Reserve Bank. [/quote] <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/ny_bylaws.html">http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/ny_bylaws.html</a>

This guy has it down pretty good. Of course, he could be just a screwy as MacFadden. You probably know some screwy congressmen... Cunningham, DeLay, Gingrich, etc. <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.usagold.com/FederalReserve.html">http://www.usagold.com/FederalReserve.html</a>


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cretins -- Maytag, 08:25:29 06/06/06 Tue [1]

I'm a cretin because I tell a truth? Your truth is... is... far from true.

So we disagree. If we disagree then, you're an asshole? Can you point me to some documentation which proves what you say? I don't mean some other guys opinion either. PLEASE don't post links to the nut sites.


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FED -- Smythe, 08:09:03 06/06/06 Tue [1]

These cretins make a fact free rebuttal. Then they smear. Part of their debating ploy. So we present them with some more referenced facts. Then we wait for the fact free rebuttal and the smear and then we present more facts. In this way the public decides for themselves who the clown is. It is like baiting a monkey.

The NY FED owns the other branches of the FED. Not so strange, you would think. Only the cretins would suggest that this is impossible :



"The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED District Bank. (Reference 22)

First National Bank of New York James Stillman National City Bank, New York Mary W. Harnman

National Bank of Commerce, New York A.D. Jiullard

Hanover National Bank, New York Jacob Schiff

Chase National Bank, New York Thomas F. Ryan Paul Warburg William Rockefeller Levi P. Morton M.T. Pyne George F. Baker Percy Pyne Mrs. G.F. St. George J.W. Sterling Katherine St. George H.P. Davidson J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life) Edith Brevour T. Baker (Reference 4 for above, Reference 22 has details, P. 92, 93, 96, 179)

How did it happen? After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow Wilson's campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In 1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation (Reference 3, 4, 5). When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully replied (referring to the FED), "I have unwittingly ruined my country" (Reference 17, P. 31).
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<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apfn.org/APFN/fed_reserve.htm">click here


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Gomez - The sad death of Kitco -- Maytag, 07:45:02 06/06/06 Tue [1]

I agree 100 percent about the death of Kitco. The place is taken over by communists who believe they would be the controlling interest of the "party" because of their superior knowledge and beliefs. They are first class forum busters.

Thmann by his posts, is the most despicable person I've ever known... and others, RIP, bw, Disney, Albrich the Nazi, Silverain - Disneys ass kisser and lap dog, Pete, Cometose... all really weird people. I doubt any other than Disney owns any PM's or gold/silver. It's really sad.


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Maytag -- Joe Goldstein, 07:23:38 06/06/06 Tue [1]

You are so right, some people should be subject to retroactive abortions.


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"Chucking rocks" -- Joe Goldstein, 07:21:05 06/06/06 Tue [1]

If that was all the phoney sonsabitches were doing no problem,we know how to use slings too. But Car Bombs,Explosive vests,stinger type weapons or rockets used by anyone (even some girls and women lately)over 12 years old that thinks he?she will have 72 virgins or "studs" to her/himself is sheer stupidity on their part. Like they say you dont go to a gunfight with a knife. If you cant read the news STFU.


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Smythe - Federal Reserve -- Maytag, 07:17:12 06/06/06 Tue [1]

Your post accounts for the NY Federal Reserve member bank. What about the other eleven banks? What shares do they own? Dallas, San Francisco, Denver, etc. Well, they each OWN (I use the word loosely) at least 1/12th of the FED. Your post accounts for only one member bank out of twelve. If the bad guys owned ALL of the NY bank, (which they don't and never did own the interests you mention) it would still amount to only 1/12th of the FED. Each FED bank is owned by the member banks in it's district, or 1/12 interest per district.

The power of the Internet. You guys actually believe the crap you read.


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Israel -- Joe Moer, 13:04:38 06/05/06 Mon [1]

Uses F-16s that they bummed off others to blast guys chucking rocks. Sure they win all their wars. A true bunch of cowards.


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If we Jews had as much power -- Joe Goldstein, 12:18:53 06/05/06 Mon [1]

As you dumb shits think we do, the world would be a much better place.

1. Homosexuality is considered an "abomination" in the eyes of G-d.

2. We know how to fight and win wars when attacked.

3. Guys like Pat Robertson, and all the other phoney "Super Christian Evangelicals" would not be fleecing the "Rednecks" and trailer trash out of their beer money.

4. AND last but not least, the best Medical Doctors are usually Jewish.


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Yes, we have got it -- Smythe, 09:13:40 06/05/06 Mon [1]

Who are the owners or chief shareholders of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank? Originally, there were reportedly 203,053 shares of privately owned Federal Reserve Bank stock, of which approximately 65% were owned by foreigners and approximately 35% (72,000 shares) were owned by:

1. Rockefellers’ National City Bank = 30,000 shares
2. Chase National = 6,000 shares (currently Chase Manhattan and owned by David Rockefeller)
3. The National Bank of Commerce = 21,000 shares (now known as Morgan Guaranty Trust)
4. Morgans’ First national Bank = 15,000 shares

Interestingly, the total shares owned by Rockefellers interests equal 36,000 shares and the total of Morgan’s equals 36,000 shares.

Although the privately owned Federal Reserve Act of 1913 provided the names of the owner banks be kept a secret, R.E. McMaster, publisher of the newsletter” The Reaper” discovered, through confidential Swiss banking connections, that the following banks have controlling interest in the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank

1. Rothchild Banks of London and Berlin
2. Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
3. Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany and Amsterdam
5. Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
6. Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
7. Goldman Sachs Bank of New York
8. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York (Controlled By Rockefellers)


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OK,we got it -- Smythe, 05:03:24 06/05/06 Mon [1]

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do
that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about
American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and
the Americans know it." -- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October
3, 2001


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We need more -- Joe Goldstein, 12:01:28 06/04/06 Sun [1]

Jews with a balls to speak out against JD and his bootlickers


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My vote -- J. Franklin, 12:00:49 06/04/06 Sun [1]

In the next election will be for Al Frankin.


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Alberich, Gomez,Smiythe,"T" -- Joe Goldstein, 11:59:02 06/04/06 Sun [1]

Alberich, you need to STFU,Gomez Smythe,"T" Bravo.


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sun waxing square to uranus -- Okerny, 10:32:41 06/04/06 Sun [1]

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.mmacycles.com/artweek.htm">http://www.mmacycles.com/artweek.htm</a>


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The sad death of Kitco -- Gomez, 09:48:42 06/04/06 Sun [1]

I think Kitco has peaked, and deteriorated since about 2000. There were a lot of diverse posters and a lot of heated exchanges, but the lefties and right wingers were pretty well balanced off. And the topics were a lot more varied, like the Y2K bomb, the manipulation of the markets, etc.

Now the Marxist Leninists have driven off a lot of the good posters, including many of the Kitco pioneers like Sharefin, Reify, Pascal, Scorp, Jorick, Cobber (still here but hardly ever posts, and no wonder why) and many others.

It certainly doesnot lend prestge to Bart's sales effort, if sophistication and comraderie are seen as desireable. JMO


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The feasibility of the so-called Rapture of the Nerds -- mozel, 00:14:02 06/04/06 Sun [1]

—uploading our consciousnesses into cyberspace—was also discussed at the conference. One proponent is Martine Rothblatt, who is a genuine visionary . She has helped launch several satellite networks, including the satellite radio network Sirius, and also founded the biotech company United Therapeutics. She is also proudly a postoperative transsexual and author of The Apartheid of Sex .

Her talk entitled "Of Genes, Bemes and Conscious Things" outlined a future in which human consciousnesses are uploaded into computers. Her neologism "beme" is modeled after Richard Dawkin's meme . Memes are units of cultural transmission and Rothblatt's bemes are "fundamental, transmissible, mutable units of beingness." Heideggerian bytes if you will. Bemes consist of smiles, the taste of lasagna, the memory of a first bike ride and so forth. According to Rothblatt, just as genes spell out matter, bemes spell out mind.

Rothblatt suggested that bemes could be eventually captured and stored by more sophisticated wearable recording systems like the MyLifeBits project being developed at Microsoft by Gordon Bell. Researchers are also working on creating a bouquet of nanowires....


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more on future enhancement -- mozel, 00:08:16 06/04/06 Sun [1]

Erik Davis offered the Matrix metaphor in which Morpheus offers Neo either a blue pill or a red pill . Davis' apparent implication is that refusing the new biotechnologies is like taking the blue pill—the human condition, the cycle of birth, life and death continues as it always has. Going forward with biotech progress is the equivalent of taking the red pill, ushering humanity into a posthuman future in which the verities of birth, life and death are up for grabs. Davis hinted that perhaps choosing the red pill of biotech will reveal unpleasant truths about the world that we would rather not know. (In contrast, I believe that there are no dangerous truths.) Davis pointed out that the choices before us catch us in a confused balance between nostalgia and exhilarating expectations. Davis worried that postmodern humanity has lost the grand narratives that used to give meaning to life for most people.

William Hurlbut fulfilled his role as naysayer. He sourly asked, "Biotech progress will give us freedom for what; enhancement for what?" He suggested that the sorts of enhancements people would choose would not be ennobling, but instead "draw us down the gradient of our appetites."


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the enhanced future -- mozel, 00:04:43 06/04/06 Sun [1]

I was invited to participate on the opening plenary panel to argue over human rights in the enhanced future with William Hurlbut , a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and culture critic Erik Davis , author of TechGnosis: Myth, Magic, and Mysticism in the Age of Information.

Briefly, I came out full force for a biotech enhanced future . I argue that there are no ethical reasons for forbidding people in the future to use safe biotech enhancements to alter their personalities, abolish sleep, increase their physical strength, boost their intelligence and memories, change their sex, live much longer healthier lives, and even change the number of their chromosomes. I also argued that in general it would be ethical for parents to use safe biotech to enhance their children in these ways as well.

Ronald Bailey is Reason's science correspondent.


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the future of human enhancement and posthumanity -- mozel, 00:01:13 06/04/06 Sun [1]

Palo Alto—Last week an exhilarating and perplexing mixture of visionaries, philosophers, transhumanists , legal scholars, and technophiles along with some crackpots and naysayers gathered for a two day meeting at Stanford University's Law School to ponder the future of human enhancement and posthumanity. The occasion was the Human Enhancement Technologies and Human Rights (HETHR) conference. HETHR featured lectures ranging from sober discussions of the parental rights and the consent of the unborn and future generations, to the use of steroids and gene enhancement in sports and constitutional rights to enhancements, to uplifting animals to human level intelligence and uploading our personalities and memories into computer networks.


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"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked."--(Jeremiah 17:9) -- mozel, 20:25:00 06/03/06 Sat [1]

The virtual financial reality holodeck appeals to the deceitful heart of man. His heart prefers it to unmediated reality, which seems unreasonably hard by comparison. He willingly suspends disbelief on the virtual financial reality holodeck, as at the movies.

It is only in the higher chambers where nations intechange with nations that the spell of the holodeck has no power. The only interest which magicians have in observing magic shows is to learn the secrets of their competitors.


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Gartman pushing for his presidential candidate Allen -- Okerny, 09:01:55 06/03/06 Sat [1]

I guess he doesn't want a president taking orders from the "seer"..........

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<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.cfsfutures.com/images/E0067301/gletter62.pdf">http://www.cfsfutures.com/images/E0067301/gletter62.pdf</a>


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On BBC Radio 4 Today -- Smythe, 04:07:23 06/03/06 Sat [1]


Paraphrase :

Daniel Perle : Iran has stated that they want to wipe Israel off the map.
Humphries : They did not. If you read the Farsi translation ,they did not say that.
Perle : mumble mumble.....

The big Lie has not outlived its usefulness.


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Not Ponzi -- Smythe, 03:49:34 06/03/06 Sat [1]

But cheque kiting. The treasury selling bonds to the FED in exchange for notes costing 2c. Both run by Goldman Sachs. Never having to actually settle anything. That is not even Peter and Paul. It is just Paul.


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Kitco forum defunct ? -- Smythe, 03:04:56 06/03/06 Sat [1]

Looks like it has been turned off.......?


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By the time of the 1987 stock "crash" the virtual financial reality holodeck was -- mozel, 00:31:57 06/03/06 Sat [1]

a potential waiting to be realized. The illusion of stock purchasing power was created and the funds managers responded. The holodeck was in being.

Thereafter, it was rapidly improved. The holodeck's improvement and the Tech Bubble in stocks happened coterminously. Inflation was eliminated from the holodeck. Gross National Product from faster computing was added to the holodeck. There were many refinements. The holodeck became so well constructed that the tech bubble could be burst without any damage to the holodeck, whatsoever. Soft landings were the latest feature of the holodeck. F & F could fail to report for months and the holodeck was undamaged.

The question now pending is whether or not any future "stocks crash" will ever be necessary on the holodeck.


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The origins of the virtual financial reality can be traced to David Stockman. -- mozel, 00:16:58 06/03/06 Sat [1]

After Volker broke the gold to money connection with 20% interest rates, the American economy was standing rather still. Voodoo economics came to the rescue. We built a 600 ship navy. But greater brains than Stockman grasped the possibilities of magic and the virtual financial reality holodeck was gradually constructed. Wall Street enforces the holodeck. How ? By punishing the corporation which does not meet or exceed the required numbers for a quarter. Does it really matter if anticipated sales are counted as revenue and then reclassified the week following ? Does it even matter if there are mortgages booked at F & F for addresses which do not exist ? Not at all. Does it matter if Treasury bonds are reported as sold for which settlement is never made ? Not a bit.

The measure of the pressure on corporations to participate quietly in the virtual financial reality is known from the fact the whistleblower at Enron is now unemployable in corporate America. Can a whistleblower really risk whistling when the corporation may have a Director of National Intelligence Pass ? Government enforcement of the virtual financial reality holodeck has been added to Wall Street's. It's a fortified holodeck.


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Virtual Financial and Economic Reality -- mozel, 23:35:14 06/02/06 Fri [1]

Financial and economic are distinguished. Financial reality is now wholly virtual on the Wall Street and Treasury Department Holodeck. The financial sector is wholly virtual.

Economic reality is only partially virtual. That part which exists by reason of government reports is virtual. That part which exists by reason of corporate reports is more or less virtual, depending on the proximity of the reporter to the Military & Intelligence & Financial Commercial Complex.

In the wholly virtual reality numbers can be created as necessary. In the partially virtual reality numbers are derived from real economic activity. Unlike the scene on a fully deployed holodeck, the virtual financial and economic holodeck is a mixture of computer generated illusions and actual artifacts of real action. The holodeck creditor participant is free to attribute credibility to whatever is contained on the financial and economic holodeck on an item by item basis. The holodeck debtor participant, however, cannot question.


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Okerny @ Silberman -- Bullishonsilver, 20:59:29 06/02/06 Fri [1]

Well, if were saying everything he is saying I wouldn't be buying those 110puts. I would be buying intead tons of puts at a lower strike price and further out; this given his logic.

so, that he is paying to be closer to the money tells me he really doesn't believe what he is saying. Not that he doesn't think it will come to pass, but that he lacks the personal self confidence to put a lot of his money behind the trade.

... Steve Saville has an article on ge too it is listed around this one. Steve is talking about the stock market. But he has a chart of INTC that he talks about in light of what else he is saying. ... I found this interesting and made me think a lot about whay I bought the INTC calls. ; ^ )


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Bullishonsilver ??? ZAWMF.X jan 07 puts -- Bullishonsilver, 20:40:01 06/02/06 Fri [1]

I still have Sept SPY puts. About half of these I converted into bear put spreads in the hopes of profiting from premium decay over the next few weeks ... as I suspect the stock market moves higher for just a few more weeks.

I also bot some lots of QQQQ and INTC calls. Some DIA calls. These are June and at the money. Two week make or break trade. Vegas style.

I also got T-bond calls and TLT calls.

I will look into that article.

But you know, as obvious as it is that the DJIA is going to drop, its just a little too obvious right now...or usually that is the case.


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Bullishonsilver ??? ZAWMF.X jan 07 puts -- Okerny, 11:34:23 06/02/06 Fri [1]

what do u think of silvermans o7 dow put idea (article on ge)

susan sez june 30 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for moondogs only


<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.astrologyzone.com/forecasts/">http://www.astrologyzone.com/forecasts/</a>


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United States of Goldman Sachs -- Smythe, 00:04:32 06/02/06 Fri [1]

With Paulson in the Treasury, and that Private Bank the US Federal Reserve, owned by the investment banks, of which Goldman Sachs is the largest, gives us the de facto United States of Goldman Sachs. AIPAC whips congress, the Straussians whip Bush, and the media is likewise wrapped up we have govt by foreign occupation.


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Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account. -- mozel, 10:27:57 06/01/06 Thu [1]

Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found: but a woman among all those have I not found. Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. Ecclesiastes 7:27-29

There is no gold or silver coin nor other thing to be counted, one by one, in the exchanges and vaults of enterprise or the corridors of power nor in the judicial courts and chambers in the apostate, ungodly Occident and in the anti-Christian Orient. Rather, there are there uncounted inventions by those whose creed is that there is no God, who have no so much as even an urge to be upright. Their tongues craft frauds without limit, unashamedly. And the little deceivers are so willingly deceived by the greater, and so self-deceived, they are become not-men walking. Nothing is as it seems in the world of investment in the United States, since 1947.


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HUI -- Smythe, 07:58:50 06/01/06 Thu [1]

We got the bullmarket sell-off on the HUI. Fast and furious. We got the bounce. The chicken hawks locked in ANY rebate they could find and we had a little wobble. New buyers stepping up so far, as we look to have a bullish disconnect between the shares and the metal. Stay tuned


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Kitco -- Smythe, 04:41:35 06/01/06 Thu [1]

Kitco has become(mostly) an incestuous merry-go-round. They would not let new subscribers sign up and so now we have Disney fighting with all and sundry like a juvenile and not much else. If the free speach libertarians believed their own mantra, then they would not be scared of an open forum. The one thing we do need is an ignore feature , or equivalent. All else will fall into place.


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Piehole Awards.................... -- T, 23:56:02 05/31/06 Wed [1]

I have been watching the Kitco forum for a number of years unable to post valuable info because it has been shut off from new enrollment.... I must say that John Disney needs to STFU and StreetsofSLUDGE needs to keep the Zionistic BS to a MINIMUM


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Empire power and weak currency just don't go together as I see things. -- mozel, 22:32:56 05/31/06 Wed [1]

Lip service is all the weaker dollar has ever gotten. Now the Wall Street First Team is back. Secret accounting is in. Anything goes. Books ? Books ? We don't need no stinkin' books !


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Government lies and deception -- BW, 20:15:02 05/31/06 Wed [1]

The official government version of the great San Francisco earthquake is a total fraud perpetrated by the US government which does not want the American people to know the truth.

This is because our government has been infiltrated at all levels by the Eskimos, who wish to regain all the lands they believe were stolen from them by the white man and other Indian tribes working for the white man as a diversion.

San Francisco is rock steady and should never have experienced an earthquake if it were due to natural causes.

What really happened: A special task force of Eskimo commandos, disguised as Mexican migrant fruit pickers, infiltrated their way into California early in 1906, and greased the San Andreas Fault with whale oil, which anyone with half a brain must realize would cause the tectonic plates to shift

Moby Dick was actually a coded warning by Herman Melville of their secret plans he had uncovered. He know he would be killed by the Inuit agents of the Illuminati if he wrote openly of their plot, so he wrote it in code so that only the initiated could understand the hidden meaning.

click here: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.wackoconspiracynutbag.org">http://www.wackoconspiracynutbag.org</a>


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Twilight of the gods -- Alberich, 19:43:00 05/31/06 Wed [1]

It is so sad that Kitco ist going Kaput. Nowhere else such ideas can I post without getting kicked off. Such support I get from other correct thinking men of vision!

It is a jewish controlled infrastructure which prevents ideas not approved by our zionist masters being posted. They own all the media outlets.

When the Fourth Reich comes - NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!


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More of Shadow Government Emerging from the Shadows, Domestically -- mozel, 10:47:03 05/31/06 Wed [1]

<A rel=nofollow target=_blank HREF=http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_8753.shtml>click here ...


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Bird Watching was sponsored by brit intel to provide a cover for spying -- mozel, 05:23:18 05/31/06 Wed [1]

Paulson's a birdwatcher. Shadow Government now emerging from the shadows.


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Roach's commodity bubble -- Smythe, 03:11:37 05/31/06 Wed [1]

Roach says commodities are in a bubble. Thats good news for commodities. Commodities were in a bear market from 1980 to 1999, as interest rates sank from Volker's high , to the low coinciding with $10 oil. Now the cycle has reversed and the Bank of England's attempts at managing rates DOWN by throwing comic amounts of money at them, suggests that we are a long way from the next rate top. As Jim Rogers notes, the shortest commodity bull was 15 years and the longest was 23 years. Inflation adjusted gold from delinking in the early 70's by Nixon until now also says we have a long way to go yet, not to mention guaranteed overshoot.

But then a Morgan Stanley man would say what he does, wouldn't he ?


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So, the International Monetary Fund has a new governor -- mozel, 22:58:49 05/30/06 Tue [1]

Snow attempted to cure the imbalance problem by negotiating with the Chinese who rebuffed overtures. Maybe, the promise of a lower dollar is insincere and a fabian tactic and the American manufactureres are just slowly twisting in the wind.


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Paulson will make Bentsen look small by comparison -- Bullishonsilver, 19:53:34 05/30/06 Tue [1]

As Clinton’s first treasury secretary, serving from 1993-94, Bentsen enjoyed a higher profile than others in that job. ~ MSNBC.com, today's Bentsen funeral.


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Treasury will surpass Fed as market mover -- Bullishonsilver, 19:45:03 05/30/06 Tue [1]

Paulson is to take over the Treasury post at a time when the economy — which had posted its strongest growth spurt in 2 1/2 years in the opening quarter of 2006 — is expected to log slower growth. ~ MSNBC.com

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I think we are in a period where the Fed Chairman will be low key and receed into the background. The Treas Sec will be the public face.

This will occur both due to personality differences between Bernanke and Paulson, but also in order to shield banks from the collapse of the US banking system coming next year.

In the meanwhile, Goldman Sachs tentacles will grow and will influence every aspect of US finance (much more than now) just as has Walmart retailing in USA.

You will also note a tremendous amount more difficulty for the shorts to find clear trends in the stock market. A couple down days followed by punishing up swings on the open and closes for no apparent reason at times and at other times cleverly timed with press releases from various quarters announcing governmental statistics or other business news.

The markets themselves will begin to move like Rumsfeld Army taking Baghdad. Storming swiftly but with difficulty gettng support to catch up. And at some point, when it appears victory has been achieved, insufficient resources to occupy stability.


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another kitco alternative -- Mone, 17:08:45 05/30/06 Tue [1]

Worth a look, not bad. Great info.

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another gold bear in charge of the treasury?? -- Bullishonsilver, 16:07:36 05/30/06 Tue [1]

You are getting might deep man. This morning I joked that most should go smoke doobies for 16 months and not watch the markets and let this gold thing occur. ... don't take me too literally!

only one thing to counter your excellent analysis. When fear rises humans tend to operate solely according to the limbic centers of the brain. This tends to make them repeat patterns of ancient times such as gold hording and internecine strife. ... So, the buttons at the Treasury may work for only a little while.


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Bullishonsilver......USGL sees $20 B4 CFTN sees $2 -- Bullishonsilver, 15:59:28 05/30/06 Tue [1]

I am sort of at my limit for my equities that I cannot also by puts for right now. And adding more of these would change my current risk profile which is already large but manageable to sleep well at night.


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Bullishonsilver......USGL sees $20 B4 CFTN sees $2 -- Bullishonsilver, 15:57:24 05/30/06 Tue [1]

I do own some USGL. Maybe I will buy some more. Only thing is I struggle buying more stocks that I cannot hedge right now. The remainder of year is crazy for equities...anything can happen.

But I won't dump CFTN. Even if it goes bankrupt. I love their AGX-32 silver medicine. I have helped a lot of people the doctors couldn't with it. ..... And I see ahead is plagues and disease unfolding in this world. So, like owning CFTN.


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Subject: Bullishonsilver......BMCX sec troubles -- Bullishonsilver, 15:54:28 05/30/06 Tue [1]

Well, I did say after stocks crashed and only $500 have a look at it.

LOL. Thanks.


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Anyway, the point of this addendum is that Bush has now weighed in with his own moral rot, to match the moral rot displayed by Congress. -- mozel, 13:54:00 05/30/06 Tue [1]

Lawrence R. Velvel is the Dean of Massachusetts School of Law.
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But no confession yet that a deadly strain of the moral rot was incubated in law schools.


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TRANSLATION: The FAILURE to OBJECT and/or ASSERT one's RIGHTS is deemed a WAIVER of them. -- mozel, 13:44:26 05/30/06 Tue [1]

CIVIL CODE 3515. He who consents to an act is not wronged by it.
CIVIL CODE 3516. Acquiescence in error takes away the right of objecting to it.
CIVIL CODE 3527. The law helps the vigilant, before those who sleep on their rights.
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The BOTTOM LINE is they will do as much to you as you LET them get away with.


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rm 2000-4000 gold...its in the stars -- Okerny, 11:55:41 05/30/06 Tue [1]

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“White-looking Black people” -- mozel, 11:42:25 05/30/06 Tue [1]

To see its import, look again at the key phrase, “White-looking Black people.” The phrase seems reasonable only because you are used to it. If someone said “tall-looking short people can exist” or “fat-looking thin people can exist,” you would laugh at the silliness. But you do not laugh at the notion of “White-looking Black people,” although a person from any other nation on earth would laugh. Why not? It is because at some point in America’s past, membership in the Black endogamous group switched from reflecting appearance and blood fraction (recall that Eston Hemings was fully accepted as White in 1830) to reflecting ideology. To see this, compare the three phrases above with comparable ideological phrases: “Christian-looking Jews” or “American-looking communists.” Suddenly, the phrase is not silly. The very earliest that anyone has been able to find this peculiar usage was shortly after 1831.
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another gold bear in charge of the treasury?? -- mozel, 09:43:03 05/30/06 Tue [1]

Saying "bear" makes it sound like there's an exchange or a market in the sense of the activity derived from coffee house free trading. Few perceive that that the numbers presented for consumption by participants, on video screens and paper, are purely a tender of digital value. What do the occassional admissions of "failure of internal controls" really mean ? They mean the digital quality and quantity of numbers previously tendered and accepted for value by participants was fictitious. How is that possible ? It's possible when valuation production, at any point in the process, is under the arbitrary control of one or a few.

Control of the digital value which is tendered to participants has been consolidated and is further consolidated every day. Where digital spreads, consolidation follows. It could be truly said that all of the digital value of the United States Treasury is under the control of two forefingers. Beneath the humdrum placid surface of the everyday, a deadly struggle is being waged on the question of whether valuation shall be made by the one, the few, or the many, whether the power to control value shall be centralized or distributed.


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Money -- Smythe, 03:43:26 05/30/06 Tue [1]

A currency lubricates and abstracts barter. In order to serve the purpose a currency must have certain properties. It must be portable, divisible, fungible, durable, must have some industrial use, relatively rare, and non-counterfeitable. Among others. A perfect currency has not been found yet. Gold comes the closest. A demand for a good curency must reflect the demand for a currency in an economy. ie it must track the REAL interest rates of an economy. Gold does this better than any other. Accept no substitutes.


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Gold not a normal commodity -- Smythe, 03:34:49 05/30/06 Tue [1]

A normal commodity in backwardation will entice the market to cough up , by hook or by crook, more supplies until the backwardation is resolved. Gold is a hoarded commodity and in times of financial stress gold backwardation will cause even more hoarding and the market will become discontinous and the paper ediface built ontop of the metal will then sieze and collapse. The price of gold in terms of that paper will become priceless. Better get some metal insurance.


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Emperor is naked -- Smythe, 03:24:31 05/30/06 Tue [1]

Left exposed, the once mightly USA's bluff has been called and the whole world now realises that all the military hardware in the world cannot stop an urban insurgeancy.

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The United States would not be able to launch military strikes on Iran because it is already overstretched on too many fronts, Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said on Tuesday.

Mottaki said he was not concerned about the prospect of military action if Iran fails to comply with US demands over its nuclear program, which it insists is only for peaceful purposes.

"They can't. The US is not in a position to impose another crisis on taxpayers. There are a lot of difficulties in Iraq and Palestine. They are not in a position to create a new crisis in the region," he said.

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Loss of political momentum is precursor to other losses. -- mozel, 00:09:48 05/30/06 Tue [1]

Markets exact a cost for loss of leadership. There was an American brand. Imagine if it were revealed Hormel was selling lye cured rat meat. That's the American brand today.


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Impeded -- mozel, 23:55:40 05/29/06 Mon [1]

The U.S. ship of state has entered a sea of thickening ice. Every turn of the screw meets more resistance. Wind and current and ice conspire to thwart the holding of a heading. And the field of ice itself is moving, pushed by slent forces working out of sight. Every hour the ship is less and less the master of its fate. Every hour the drain of energy required to press on increases. Every hour the sought for, believed in, passage to a newer world seems more remote. Every hour another friendly voice fails to respond to radioed summons. The familiar, regular sound of the machinery reassures those aboard as it dulls them to the increasing dangers and to the wild pacing to and fro of the Ahabs on the bridge. For this ship's crew was signed to articles based on likeliness with the captain and not reputation of skill.


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Why all the worry about dan? -- Joe Goldstein, 22:08:50 05/29/06 Mon [1]

It may be a good thing if dan is convicted and sent to a mental facility where they could hopefully help him deal with his obvious paranoia?


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Justice? -- lil Devil, 21:01:19 05/29/06 Mon [1]

Glad I live Kanada eh! :)


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Justice? -- mozel, 20:44:29 05/29/06 Mon [1]

Justice? That concept has been lost in the courtroom, and no one should seek justice there. Seek comedy, seek farce, seek satire, but do not enter a courtroom seeking justice.
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Dan and Rb were e-mailing each other. -- mozel, 20:05:44 05/29/06 Mon [1]


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Life in the Antebellum Southland As It Really Was -- mozel, 19:15:09 05/29/06 Mon [1]

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beauregarde county/parish -- lil Devil, 18:52:15 05/29/06 Mon [1]


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@lil Devil @what county did you search ? -- mozel, 18:42:49 05/29/06 Mon [1]


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create a new forum -- mozel, 16:57:28 05/29/06 Mon [1]

is an option at the top of the page.


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This is not a moderated forum. Posts are not pre-approved. -- mozel, 11:35:46 05/29/06 Mon [1]

The forum space is free but not unlimited. One poster's opinion of another has a limited and transient value.


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Peak Poop -- mozel, 11:16:05 05/28/06 Sun [1]

Mankind has reached the age when any message, however maliciously composed, can be broadcast at relatively low cost.
Those who control this technology are at war with those who don't. Fraud is cardinal in war. We have reached the Age of Peak Poop and the only antidote for it is individual free expression.


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acetone and gas mileage -- spinner, 11:07:09 05/28/06 Sun [1]

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???GDX , gold investments with yield??? -- Okerny, 09:34:32 05/28/06 Sun [1]

I was listening to Nick Russo's radio show on kfnn this am (taped) and he mentioned that he was reccomending a gold investement to his clients that has yield. Since I'm assuming the GDX will be paying dividends I guessing that may be what he was talking about.

My question to forum members is ...... are GDX sales treated favorably in reference to long term cap gains....? 15%.

Russo has always had gold exposure in his portfolio and just recently is calling for a major stock market rollover.
In case anyone wanted to hear the archived show

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links in message box; subject box is buggy -- voytester, 08:20:52 05/28/06 Sun [1]

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<A HREF=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385509510/102-2866921-0138550?v=glance&n=283155>click here ... -- voytester, 08:17:40 05/28/06 Sun [1]

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!!!!Bullishonsilver......Dream Mine -- DutchGril, 08:04:21 05/28/06 Sun [1]

If U read Jon Krakuaers book "Under the the banner of heaven" you would be dumping that Clifton stock faster than 12 long beach fish tacos in the morning.

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macmin silver european roadshow starts next week -- Okerny, 07:55:16 05/28/06 Sun [1]

$$$$ no nationalization risk with Macmin....most US silver plays have had their runs. With Macmin U get silver production and gold production from New Guinea gold this year.

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What next for gold ? -- tomtom, 06:53:35 05/28/06 Sun [1]

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Enough is enough -- Smythe, 06:09:06 05/28/06 Sun [1]

About time these bums were exposed. Caused enough trouble already. Congress occupied by a foreign govt.

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Enough Is Enough
People have had it up to here with The Lobby
by Justin Raimondo

Perhaps Rep. Betty McCollum (D-Minn.) didn't quite realize what she was getting into when she voted against the Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006, so-called, which would cut off all aid to the Palestinians, impose economic sanctions, and make it impossible for any entity, public or private, to operate in Palestine. Or maybe she's just brave.

A liberal Democrat, Rep.McCollum had always been a strong supporter of Israel, but on the issue of how to deal with the democratically elected Hamas government of the Palestinian Authority, she had real differences with what Stephen Walt and John J. Mearsheimer call "the Lobby," in their pathbreaking and provocative study of "The Israel Lobby," published by Harvard University. In that work, the two professors have this to say about the power of the Lobby over the U.S. Congress:

"The bottom line is that AIPAC, a de facto agent for a foreign government, has a stranglehold on Congress, with the result that U.S. policy towards Israel is not debated there, even though that policy has important consequences for the entire world. In other words, one of the three main branches of the government is firmly committed to supporting Israel. As one former Democratic senator, Ernest Hollings, noted on leaving office, 'you can't have an Israeli policy other than what AIPAC gives you around here.'"

What AIPAC had been giving out was that the Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006 was a litmus test – either you voted for it, or, as a local AIPAC representative, Amy Rotenberg, put it to Bill Harper, Rep. McCollum's chief of staff:

"On behalf of [myself] the Jewish community, AIPAC, and the voters of the Fourth District, Congresswoman McCollum's support for terrorists will not be tolerated."


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More quotes on Gold than you can handle: -- tommy, 04:35:19 05/28/06 Sun [1]

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Test -- Smythe, 03:16:28 05/28/06 Sun [1]

Is this the new Kitco ?


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Nice message board you created mozel -- Canuck, 03:09:15 05/28/06 Sun [1]

Is this Cyber Canada or Cyber US?


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Neocon god is Strauss! -- Sierra Madre, 00:32:26 05/28/06 Sun [1]

You left something out of your list, friend Doran:

The first line (0)- which does not appear - is the secret that binds the neocons together. Their other views are not secret - you have just posted them here; these views are not well known, but not secret.

The secret (0)line is this one, and comes first, of course:

(0) The few who will rule with be the Jews.


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appearance of dollars of valuable substance -- philos, 22:53:53 05/27/06 Sat [1]

When I get a check, it says “dollars” on the front. If I endorse it openly, I just testified I received dollars of valuable substance, even though there are none.
When I stamp or write:
DEPOSITED FOR CREDIT ON ACCOUNT
OR EXCHANGED FOR
NON-REDEEMABLE FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES
I just corrected the error on the front and converted the check into a bill of exchange.


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1963 Communist Goals -- Bizarro_Doran, 21:28:44 05/27/06 Sat [1]

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1963 Communist Goals
The following was entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69) in 1963.

1. US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war
2. US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength"
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination
7. Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress
10. Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN
11. Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party
13. Do away with loyalty oaths
14. Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the US
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings", substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art".
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26. Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy".
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch"
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture:" Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.


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a great battle unfolding -- messenger, 21:03:55 05/27/06 Sat [1]

"What we see now is a great battle unfolding," he said. "It is about the fundamental institutions that define western civilisation - the market economy, liberal democracy, the rule of law - and the moral standards and values underlying these institutions."

Gold and free speech are the sine qua non of these fundamental institutions. Men cannot stand upright without them.


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Neocon god is Strauss!! -- doran, 20:59:47 05/27/06 Sat [1]

Neocon Manifesto

Straussism: The Philosophy Directing The Age Of Tyranny

1 ) The Few Must Rule The Many
2 ) Virtue Is Defined By The Elite
3 ) The Strong Must Rule The Weak
4 ) Only One Natural Right: The Right To Rule Over The Vulgar Many
5 ) Justice Is Merely The Interest Of The Stronger
6 ) ?The Rule Of The Wise?
7 ) The Three Classes: The Wise-Few, The Vulgar-Many And The Gentlemen
8 ) The State Is Omnipotent: It Manifests Militaristic Nationalism
9 ) Perpetual War Is Necessary
10 ) Patriotic Fervor Is To Be Rallied
11 ) Political Expediency And Murder Become Virtue
12 ) Possess And As Necessary Present The ?Hidden Meaning?
13 ) Maintain A Culture Of Lying And Carry On A Perpetual Confusion Campaign
14 ) The Many Are Told What They Need To Know And No More
15 ) Lies Are Held To Be Nobel: Develop, Maintain And Present Noble Lies
16 ) Dissemble Democracy
17 ) Religion Is For The Many
18 ) Secrecy Is Essential
19 ) Nature Abhors A Contract
20 ) Intimidate All Opponents


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golden warning -- gold01, 16:00:11 05/27/06 Sat [1]

"All that glitters is not gold"; John Dryden, but a similar saying appeared earlier in Shakespeare and earlier still in Chaucer.


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