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I agree with everything you say, except "It defies logic."
Not if you understand the One Worlders plot, which I posted on yesterday....this fits right in with the
Global Warming plot, which I also posted on 11/21...
in this context it makes a bit more sense that our world
is in its current state...
Barney Fwank -- Smythe (), 09:21:38 11/22/09 Sun
as stand-up comedian :
"Frank said he was opposing the Paul amendment because it could be perceived as influencing monetary policy, which can have inflationary pressure. "Perception is very important in monetary policy," said Frank."
From the Paul-Grayson link posted earlier by Fedfighter.
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What about the party on the other side of the transaction? --Pbear -- Pyrite, 09:14:20 11/22/09 Sun
There is diligence required. Back in the old days (2003 or 4) when I wuz startin on my plan to live offa morgidges, it was OBVIOUS when or when not to lend any money at all.
I had one slum that .....I..... appraised as "land and lumber."
The owner needed a 41k loan. After a year he wanted to kite it to 64k which wuz also OK wit me.
But then he needed to bump to 78k and cud not make the payments on the 64k with FOUR renters. (1200 sq ft)
I refused to bump and the broker sold it to someone else.
Itz up to a lender to LOOK at a house before puttin any money in it.
Gerald Celente :: Story is 100% right.. -- siempre33, 09:06:34 11/22/09 Sun
Another key derivatives critic is Christopher Story FRSA, editor of the UK-based International Currency Review, which he has been publishing for 40 years; Story counts central banks, sovereign treasuries, and government intelligence agencies around the world among subscribers. Noted as a former occasional adviser to Margaret Thatcher, he has long maintained that the entire derivatives sector is centered on fraud. His website also presents a chronicle of very serious allegations – tantamount to charges of ongoing, worldwide economic terrorism – against high-level individuals within the US government and financial sectors, including current and former presidents, cabinet secretaries, intelligence agents, as well as Federal Reserve and banking officials.
It is common knowledge that severe consequences accompany the willful publication of libel in the UK; per Mr. Story, Britain’s Head of State, Her Majesty the Queen, and many other world leaders, are fully aware of these allegations. As he has not been prosecuted for disseminating libelous statements, one can only assume that these charges, spanning back at least six years, are indeed based on facts. Granted, I am in no position to individually authenticate purported crimes, but I can enlighten others on what is being published over an international landscape; after reviewing this catalogue of analysis – which forecast most of the events that are happening today – some will certainly be inclined to contact US law enforcement agents, and demand an investigation into these shocking claims. If that is the case, please do so in a civil manner. (Note: this report has been submitted directly to American authorities.)
I mentioned Mr. Story’s stance on derivatives to Gerald; the other allegations were not specifically referenced during our conversation. “Story is one-hundred percent right…these are con games,” he said, in regards to derivatives.
Walk Away: Why More People Should Abandon Their Homes -- doran -- Permabear1 (), 09:04:46 11/22/09 Sun
It blows my mind, the immorality of what the professor from Arizona is proposing. If things don't work out, you simply walk away. WOW! What about the party on the other side of the transaction? I am old fashioned I guess---old school...
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Coup d'etat anniversary....Nov.22, 1963 -- siempre33, 09:01:18 11/22/09 Sun
who can forget that day?
..public officials would be very wise to respect the words of John F. Kennedy, who once said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
it won't be long until there IS violent revolution imo...
Walk Away: Why More People Should Abandon Their Homes -- doran -- Permabear1, 09:00:49 11/22/09 Sun
Some people should be ashamed to be foreclosed on. Obviously, job loss and medical related problems that can savage family budgets are huge exceptions.
However, for those who bought up and put little to nothing down so they could feed their egos by buying a McMansion, I'd say finish your damn contract. A house is NOT an investment, it is a place to live in and raise a family. The price fluctuations are incidental to the purpose of owning a home.
siempre33 -- Raja, 08:59:05 11/22/09 Sun
Look at the damage that is being done to our young men fighting and getting physically and psychologically disable for the rest of their lives, when they could have been productive and adding to our prosperity. As Henry Kissinger said, "soldiers are cannon fodder for the politicians". It is all so sad that the country' resources are being spent on items not needed by the consumers (weapons) and resources would be spent to support these disabled veterans for the rest of their lives.
We are mad, specially the powerful who don't pause and think in terms of the nation as a whole over the long term. How could rich and powerful nations be that stupid? It defies logic.
If I, an ordinary man, could think of the slippery slope to oblivion the U.S. government took when Bush decided to go to Iraq, how come our best and brightest stopped thinking past the tip of their noses? I find it extremely hard to believe what I see happening now a days. Lord help us.
m0rbiU$ -- Gila_Bob, 08:47:36 11/22/09 Sun
Friend:
I have no l0w 0pini0n of M0is 0r U
I d0 kn0w that given the Current Weakknee$ of yer argueMint$
U'd prefer to view n0 c0unter-vailing 0pini0n$
Well, Tuff Shit
I don' wanna sea ya Fall0ff the Turnip Wagon
Like the mental cRIPple Did
Sew I'll stick here ta Guide ya Back
T0 the Path of Rati0nal 0bjectivity
Big Bob
(fedfighter............
I di$$ed the p0stie not U
I am NOT anti-GOLD.........
I sea other Opportunities as Well in the Economy
The Economic "analysis" Here
Is Largely Disconnected from BOTH
My Daily Experience AND the Views Expressed in the Conference Calls
I Listen To.............
I prefer to LISTEN to those In Business
Than to those opining ABOUT Business
Which they never can be bothered to Conduct
Simple As That
Off to Oil & Gas Accounting..........
I Still Own Properties..........)
I know i already posted this link but... -- fedfighter, 08:47:05 11/22/09 Sun
but if you care for a dose of optimism read the remarks regarding the Paul/Grayson bill. It's not in fashion to be hopeful on this site but what the hay, it's Sunday. Here's an example;
Another parasite reveals his true allegiance -- Smythe, 08:01:06 11/22/09 Sun
They are scurrying from under rocks all over the place :
Fury as credit crunch civil servant lands Rothschild job
By Simon Watkins
Last updated at 1:18 AM on 22nd November 2009
Inside knowledge: John Kingman will become the new managing director of NM Rothschild
The civil servant who oversaw the taxpayers’ stake in Britain’s crisis-hit banks is at the centre of a conflict-of-interest row after it emerged he is to join a leading investment bank.
John Kingman, the former chief executive of UK Financial Investments, is to become the new managing director of NM Rothschild.
Walk Away: Why More People Should Abandon Their Homes -- doran, 07:56:43 11/22/09 Sun
Millions of Americans, whose homes are now worth significantly less than their mortgage, could be making an expensive mistake by continuing to try and pay their loan off when they should, instead, be walking away. In fact, owners are willing to keep piling money into a losing investment simply because they're ashamed to foreclose, according to a controversial new study. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/shame-cost-homeowners-big/story?id=9120264
For those mindful of their P's & Q's...quadrillions, pentillions. Needful now more than ever. A simple reset,
say lopping off 6 or 9 zeros would be understandably helpful in a broad-(de)based popular sense.
"You shall not press down upon the brow of the belabored this crown of thorny numbers. You shall not crucify man unkindly upon a crossed out sum beyond the the digits of everybody's desktop calculator."
"The survivors would be the ones we are fighting at this time."
Good post....that gave me something to reflect on....
I'm not sure 'the survivors', or at least most of them,
will even survive, although there are those who
ALWAYS seem to 'land on their feet'....
at the rate the crooks are being taken down,
we may wind-up with quite a different world
than anyone can even imagine....
even those with 'the most' are not assured
of anything these days imo....
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Should Obama Fire Gen. McChrystal? -- doran, 07:35:46 11/22/09 Sun
MacArthur was playing a back-channel game to win the support of like-minded Republican congressmen to expand the war, but Truman faced him down. With the support of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as well as the Secretaries of State and Defense, Truman rose to the occasion and fired the distinguished "old soldier."
MichaelH, WALIAC -- Raja (), 07:29:22 11/22/09 Sun
I usually get up between 3-5 am. Since I am retired, I see no reason to change clothes, specially because I will go for part 2 of sleep right after I eat some food. Since I get up this early, there is nothing else to do but to come to the computer. Even if I could do things, the severe arthritic pains prevent me from doing physical labor.
Yes, the world is getting nuttier each passing day. Who would survive this insanity and how is the big question. Deflation-inflation debate is still going on. Gold goes higher but not gold stock funds. What is one to do? Living in a track home does not encourage one to buy physical gold. In any case, one won't be able to use them for buying food in a store....assuming there is still food available. Peak oil, deficits, debt, coming market collapse (or 35000 on the Dow?) It is all so confusing. 20 years ago, times were a bit more predictable.
Amazing: we are hell bent on destroying ourselves as a nation and take down the rest of the world with us. The survivors would be the ones we are fighting at this time. Since the muslim nations never even tried to climb economic mountain, they have nowhere to fall to. A man lying on the ground does not fall, only the ones standing on the edge of a cliff: that' where we appear to be.
Oh well. We can't do anything about it.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/19/fed-beaten-bill-to-audit_n_364546.html -- fedfighter, 07:17:55 11/22/09 Sun
Liberals are waking up to the nefariousness of the Fed
buy it and forget it -- 2bro2b, 06:58:56 11/22/09 Sun
Selling it and forgetting it, lightened up by a third, from 9k sh to 6k...more at rising price points to maintain allocation, still at 5% overall assets after sales, 25% of the acct its in. In event of decline precious metals overweight won't be reaccumulated. Overweight was much
higher late 'Nineties, early 'Oughts.
hamilton -- mugwump, 06:22:40 11/22/09 Sun
And I suspect this GLD growth and resulting asymmetric upside impact will continue for years to come yet. Why? America’s stock investors remain woefully underinvested in gold. At the end of October, GLD held $36.9b worth of gold on behalf of US stock investors. This sounds massive, and it is relative to gold. For comparison, the big recent Reserve Bank of India purchase of 200t of IMF gold that laid the psychological foundation for this latest gold surge was just a $6.7b deal.
But compared to the gigantic stock markets, GLD remains trivial. The same day GLD held $36.9b worth of gold, the S&P 500 alone had a collective market capitalization of $9870.4b! Despite GLD’s phenomenal success, it remains tiny in the grand scheme of stock investing. It is only worth 0.4% of the S&P 500’s market cap, and a smaller fraction still of the entire stock markets’. Yet even the most conservative advisors recommend all investors have at least 5% of their portfolios in gold, with some recommending up to 20%.
GLD could still grow by an order of magnitude from today’s levels and still only hit 3.7% of the S&P 500’s market cap! So GLD’s holdings, and thus its upside impact on this gold bull, should continue to grow as long as stock investors remain underinvested in gold. This secular gold bull which started in April 2001 is probably only half over today, and mainstream gold investment should continue to grow throughout its entire second half. So GLD’s holdings ought to grow on balance for many more years yet.
There seems to be a Peter Principle on steroids associated with mining operations, the worst possible thing that can happen will at the worst possible time in the worst possible way.
I've found good grades tend to be forgiving of that, more marginal operations are soon issuing shares and piling on debt.
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Iraq report: Secret papers reveal blunders and concealment -- Iainmac, 06:04:30 11/22/09 Sun
The “appalling” errors that contributed to Britain’s failure in Iraq are disclosed in the most detailed and damning set of leaks to emerge on the conflict.
forgot this one .. -- Delta-au, 03:34:28 11/22/09 Sun
Add Tim Ball's article in CanadaFreePress to the mix .. clippings ..
Global Warming is often called a hoax. I disagree because a hoax has a humorous intent to puncture pomposity. In science, such as with the Piltdown Man hoax, it was done to expose those with fervent but blind belief. The argument that global warming is due to humans, known as the anthropogenic global warming theory (AGW) is a deliberate fraud. I can now make that statement without fear of contradiction because of a remarkable hacking of files that provided not just a smoking gun, but an entire battery of machine guns.
Someone hacked in to the files of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) based at the University of East Anglia. A very large file (61 mb) was downloaded and posted to the web. Phil Jones Director of the CRU has acknowledged the files are theirs. They contain papers, documents letters and emails. The latter are the most damaging and contain blunt information about the degree of manipulation of climate science in general and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in particular.
Climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists
Dominant names involved are ones I have followed throughout my career including, Phil Jones, Benjamin Santer, Michael Mann, Kevin Trenberth, Jonathan Overpeck, Ken Briffa and Tom Wigley. I have watched climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists. This small, elite, community was named by Professor Wegman in his report to the National Academy of Science (NAS).
Total Control
These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM). Stephen Schneider was a prime mover there from the earliest reports to the most influential in 2001. They also had a left wing conduit to the New York Times. The emails between Andy Revkin and the community are very revealing and must place his journalistic integrity in serious jeopardy. Of course the IPCC Reports and especially the SPM Reports are the basis for Kyoto and the Copenhagen Accord, but now we know they are based on completely falsified and manipulated data and science. It is no longer a suspicion. Surely this is the death knell for the CRU, the IPCC, Kyoto and Copenhagen and the Carbon Credits shell game.
CO2 never was a problem and all the machinations and deceptions exposed by these files prove that it was the greatest deception in history, but nobody is laughing. It is a very sad day for science and especially my chosen area of climate science. As I expected now it is all exposed I find there is no pleasure in “I told you so.”
CRU Hacked .. -- Delta-au, 03:01:45 11/22/09 Sun
story seems to be gathering momo .. when I checked the
global press releases 12 hours ago, there was nothing
apart from 2 blogs assoctiated with the UK-telegraph
and Aus-HeraldSun .. IOW .. no direct media story ..
now it's growing some legs ..
UK - Daily Mail Online ..
One of the world’s leading climate change research centres has been accused of manipulating data on global warming after thousands of private emails and documents were leaked.
Hackers targeted the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit and published the files, including some personal messages, on the internet.
Among the most damaging is one which appears to suggest using a ‘trick’ to massage years of temperature data to ‘hide the decline’.
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USA - Washington Post ..
Hackers broke into the electronic files of one of the world's foremost climate research centers this week and posted an array of e-mails in which prominent scientists engaged in a blunt discussion of global warming research and disparaged climate-change skeptics.
The skeptics have seized upon e-mails stolen from the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia in Britain as evidence that scientific data have been rigged to make it appear as if humans are causing global warming. The researchers, however, say the e-mails have been taken out of context and merely reflect an honest exchange of ideas.
University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how many of the stolen items were authentic.
"We are aware that information from a server in one area of the university has been made available on public websites," the statement says. "We are extremely concerned that personal information about individuals may have been compromised. Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm what proportion of this material is genuine."
Michael E. Mann, who directs the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, said in a telephone interview from Paris that skeptics are "taking these words totally out of context to make something trivial appear nefarious."
In one e-mail from 1999, the center's director, Phil Jones, alludes to one of Mann's articles in the journal Nature and writes, "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
Mann said the "trick" Jones referred to was placing a chart of proxy temperature records, which ended in 1980, next to a line showing the temperature record collected by instruments from that time onward. "It's hardly anything you would call a trick," Mann said, adding that both charts were differentiated and clearly marked.
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The first time I've ever agreed w/ our resident anti-gold gold bug -- fedfighter, 02:34:45 11/22/09 Sun
Bob What the hay has gotten into to you, granted RIP should be R.I.P.but I never said I believed Fulford but the guy obviously has his contacts, how else does he get a interview w/ Davey Rockerfeller. Melloooooow Big Bob Ommmmmmmmm
Black Bob....y0u need to get OUT more often before you... -- Norwester, 01:19:19 11/22/09 Sun
.
...blow a gasket chompin' butts around here....
.
....I don't have a Palmer cue....I have an old Brunswick
snooker cue...that had the handle drilled and about
another good 12-oz. of lead poured in, sealed with resin
when it cooled [no, it didn't crack the rosewood, either!].
It's prolly a good 28-ozer that SMACKS a cue ball so
crisply that it's scary....I used it when I partnered-up
with another pool-hall wastrel like myse'f one summer
'tween our sophomore and junior years of college to win
the city snooker tournament out there in O-dess-A...yup,
coupla punk 19-year-olds beatin' out a field of some
120 teams over that 10-week run....
Ah thin' that ol' cue is up in my attic, I hope...broke
the damn cheezey plastic "pool shooter" atop the trophy
some years back during a move....the base may be up there
too...somewhere...lots of good memories up in that attic...
Phoney Money, Phoney Wars -- crazytimes, 01:08:30 11/22/09 Sun
are being exposed more and more. They must be preparing something BIG folks. It can't even be a false flag thing like 9/11. Nobody trusts a single Government anymore. As crazy as it sounds, I'm wondering if they're gonna have some false Alien/UFO show staged. I'm not kidding. Why is ABC's "V" coming out now? It could be social engineering.
Gila - With such a low opinion of us, why do you post here? -- morbius, 01:07:02 11/22/09 Sun
A cry for help - like Bullishonhisself? You have gone as bat-shit for Obama as Bullish did for Sarah Palin. Perhaps Crazytimes could talk you down....
Local Update -- Gila_Bob, 00:54:14 11/22/09 Sun
Friends:
Saturday Afternoon
No Big Games in Town
No Major Events
4 PM: Southbound (and Northbound) I-25 Packed Solid 5-25 MPH, Bumper-to-Bumper thru Downtown Denver
Mustta bin allah the Unemployed l00kin' ta Hand Out Resumes
On the Weak End
After the Bidnethe$ are Cl0$ed
Got a Cue-Smith to Ask Around for Parts for My Original by Palmer Jointed Cue..........
A Little Work and this Baby I won in 1969 for $35 will be Worth $3,500 Minimum
Played 3-Cushion Billiards WELL for 2 Hours
No Action...............Even with a Healthy Spot
Averaging 1 3-Cushion Billiard per 2 Innings..........
Semi-Pro Level
LOL
8 PM: Once again I-25 Packed Solid 20-35 MPH Northbound (and Southbound), Bumper-to-Bumper thru Downtown Denver
Must been allah said Unemployed Job-$eeker$ Returning Home
After discovering allah the Bidnethes WERE Cl0$ed
Took Wife out for Birthday Dinner
Asked HER if I l00ked Black
No Dice.............She said I was Still White
Told her about the Voy CONfU$ion
She said that Retards have those kinds of Problems
Modest Traffic coming Home @ 10 pm.........
SAtill pretty busy for Late @ Night
Suspect many of those Job Seekers were now L0$t
LOL
Further Reports as Warranted
Big Bob
(It is very c0mm0n for DelU$ional Bigg0t$
T0 presume that their Logical Better$
Must bee of another Race or "Group"
Since these nitwits believe that Every One
Live$ in the same kinda Trailer Park
They Dew.............
Kinda Sad, Really, Never able to l00k past their Prejudices
To see the Larger & Happier Whirled
Butttttttttttttttttttttttt
That's How It Is When U Think Yer Life issa Shit Sandwich
And you've only Eaten the Corner of one Piece
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/ -- fedfighter (http://www.voy.com/64855/newpost.html), 00:17:18 11/22/09 Sun
The Feds may be planning to dump all the toxic garbage on Bank of America
The desperate, cornered criminal rats who own the Federal Reserve Board are now planning to take all their toxic financial waste and dump it on Bank of America and make it the fall guy, according to a CIA source. That is why they have been unable to find a new CEO. However, that is not going to be enough to save the criminals.
Multiple, reliable sources including MI6 and the Chinese government now confirm that the Federal Reserve Board and the Bank of England were using gold-plated tungsten to “back up” their massive selling of gold futures. As the contracts came due for the delivery, the scam was unveiled.
an IQ of 128 and you can go fuck yourself -- Rack, 23:57:43 11/21/09 Sat
Carmack that 128 isn't your IQ that's your asshole rating.
I believe 128 is a perfect score. Way to go asshole!
Viva la Restoration -- Romanov (), 22:58:45 11/21/09 Sat
When the smoke cleared, we Americans found ourselves the subjects of a gangster state, in thrall to a clutch of greedy, corrupt and incompetent banks which only days before had failed. We were now the guarantors of trillions of dollars in worthless assets that had generated billions in profits for those same banks in recent years. Their gains remained their gains; but their losses were now our losses. Our money, the reserve currency of the world, was now backed by toxic waste.
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I am in turn in absolute awe -- morbius -- Carmack (), 21:07:06 11/21/09 Sat
of your complete inability to behave in a way that is anything less than an egotistical arsehole who is unable to obtain a passing grade in elementary science ?
ps I also have a special certificate in psychometrics and qualified to assign you a failing "D" !!! ie for "dumb" ! lol
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Big Bang -- mozel (), 21:06:21 11/21/09 Sat
Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.
Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.
We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men. - the vision of Isaiah
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First national bank issues notes 1791 -- Jasper, 21:01:54 11/21/09 Sat
Carmack - I'm sorry. I am being mean. -- morbius, 20:58:15 11/21/09 Sat
It must have been Earl's call for more vituperation. He gestured hypnotically. I started it. I'm guilty. I must be guilty.....
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morbius, -- Carmack, 20:46:19 11/21/09 Sat
Keep googling and trying Mr Morby but you still dumb dumb dumb!!!!!
BTW I have a sci degree,and two post graduate degrees and an IQ of 128 and you can go fuck yourself ! lol
Carmack - 'The Relative Humidity drops' - That's Rocket Scientist for 'gets drier' -- morbius (), 20:42:21 11/21/09 Sat
Now if I were to say that you had a Maple, that does not imply that you have ONLY ONE Maple. You might have two, or even three, and the statement would still be true. Likewise, if I say that it 'feels dry' that does not imply that it ONLY feels dry. The fact that the air actually IS drier was covered with the statement about the relative humidity dropping.
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I'm guessing he's black, an illegal, or on welfare. --- RIP -- Miro (), 20:28:14 11/21/09 Sat
oh my my, here comes the real bright knucklehead from Canada.
Stupid piece of shit thinks that all black people are dumb, illegal folks are even worse, and only thing he can associate with is being on welfare as his mom still feeds him. Quality of posts on this board is really reaching a gutter level. No wonder when RIP posts 24x7
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Morby the moron -- Carmack, 20:28:08 11/21/09 Sat
"The relative humidity drops (feels dry) on account of the ability of the newly heated air to absorb more water in the form of humidity.
"feels dry" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who the F wrote that? Must have been your doppelganger ? ie your moron doppleganger ! lol
Of course "moron" if the heating system in effect dries out the air it is going to "feel dry " !!! Stop being redundant !!
morbius, -- Carmack, 19:50:08 11/21/09 Sat
The inside air doesn't just "feel dry" ,moron it is dry !!! So before you hurt yourself with vain, unclear explainations its the "heating systems" that dry out the air.
Summer frequently 75% , winter often 40%. One should strive to keep it above 50 % !!
well that is what I meant to say -- Nuclearson, 19:42:45 11/21/09 Sat
you said it differently
maybe better
hell I got asperger syndrome
what the hell do you expect?
Nuc - It's not the heat, it's the humidity -- morbius, 19:39:36 11/21/09 Sat
The warmer the air, the more water it can hold as humidity. The warm, humid air inside gradually escapes to the outside where the moisture condenses out in the cold. The warm, humid air that escaped is replaced by cold non-humid air. Your heating system gradually raises the temperature of the new,cold air. The relative humidity drops (feels dry) on account of the ability of the newly heated air to absorb more water in the form of humidity.
ever wonder why the air inside can get so damn dry in the winter? -- Nuclearson (), 19:30:03 11/21/09 Sat
because the outside air is colder than the inside to start with
which means the outside air is considerably denser
and moister
this is why when the outside air seeps inside the house it expands so the water in the air dilutes
..discuss
(who started this 'discuss' crapola?)
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oilboiler - Yep -- morbius, 19:11:17 11/21/09 Sat
Always misunderestimating (W.) the power of The Dark Side.
Crosses in Astro photographs -- sesquiculus, 18:05:59 11/21/09 Sat
The "crosses" you see in some astronomical photos are merely diffraction patterns from the supporting struts of the secondary mirror in reflecting telescopes. That is, they are an artifact. Refracting telescopes ( with lenses and thus no secondary mirror supports ) don't have them.
RIP - I believe Gila -- morbius, 18:03:46 11/21/09 Sat
I always thought he was very bright (even if he is black). I can't believe he has suddenly become stupid. It appears he has simply lost his mind.
Gila appears to be just another partisan basturd. -- RIP (), 17:58:40 11/21/09 Sat
I'm guessing he's black, an illegal, or on welfare.
Prolly all 3.
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Gila - Once againyer Fulla Shit, m0rbiU$ -- morbius, 17:58:27 11/21/09 Sat
Come on Gila. I expect better than that from you. Stop acting like Carmack. What's your beef? What specifically did I say that was not true? Was it someone else railing about sending OPKs to Iraq? What's changed (other than the fact that YOUR man is now directing the slaughter?)
Gila - Remember the acrimony over the war on the old board -- morbius, 17:50:26 11/21/09 Sat
If I remember correctly, you were a proud member of the 'Gang of Fools'. The neocon contingent was so very concerned about the propriety of our language and the tone of our remarks toward our then Glorius Liter, GWB. They were equally unconcerned about the propriety of dropping bombs on innocent civilians half a world away. Excuse me for noticing, Gila, but it seems you have slipped a bit......
Gila - The darkies can vote for anything/anyone they want -- morbius, 17:29:45 11/21/09 Sat
as long as they understand the LIMITS of the franchise - you know enumerated powers - that kinda thing.
BTW, Why haven't we heard a peep from you about the wars since BO took office? I seem to vaguely remember you sounding off about OPKs being sent to fight for, what was it? If only we had Chrisophilos to maintain the historical record.
Speaking of Sabbath's -- MichaelH, 17:28:23 11/21/09 Sat
(I never got paid for food fighting. Since no checks arrived, I refuse all further work in that area)
but speaking of Sabbaths, I found today the 3rd cycle holding silver down to 1/3 the 1980's high versus golds 4/3's 1980 highs.
1st major cycle was 4 days after Oct 28/8 low on a Sabbath. 2nd major cycle was July 13/9 (Monday) and the third major cycle is on a Sabbath which corresponds to the date Nov 21, 2009.
The Stupid Guy -- Gila_Bob, 17:23:19 11/21/09 Sat
Would be the One who DID NOT Cover His Debt
And the Dishonest One would not Pay His Bills
Why dincha Take Down thee el-Buck0 @ $0.89
Wait...........I Know...........
Lottsa Blather.......... N0 $kin in the GamE
jU$t an Empty Ve$$el Screeching at Other$
A Sad Sack...........A Lame-0.........A Charlatan
A Wanna-Bee..........A Spiggot........A Noise Box
A Stupid Person........A Mental cRIPple
They have the Washington agreement -- Skinee, 17:22:34 11/21/09 Sat
to keep the centrals from flooding the market with gold.
And you guys say it ain't a bubble.
Give yo head a shake.
Gila - I suppose you inferred my preference for fascists -- morbius (), 17:14:13 11/21/09 Sat
from my enthusiastic support of GWB and his invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Or was it from my oft expressed love of Clinton Administration?
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I'd better go Report ta GOLDman $ack$ -- Gila_Bob, 17:14:03 11/21/09 Sat
Friends:
That thee Vaporous Mental cRIPple
Has gone off the Track$
LOL
Big Bob
(That's kinder than sayin' he's more than a FEW
Bricks shy offa Load)
Sabbath or a sabbath is generally a weekly day of rest -- MichaelH, 17:13:23 11/21/09 Sat
and/or time of worship that is observed in Abrahamic religions and other faiths.
***
Satur(n)day is considered Vedically and of older traditions to be the day of rest.
So, if you have nothing much informative to say today, GIVE IT A REST.
When is a penny worth a million $$$$$$ -- Jasper, 16:38:51 -- Delta-au (), 17:11:03 11/21/09 Sat
ahemm .. an Australian penny was on sale here for AUD$ TWO million this year ..
The 1930 penny was a proof coin .. one of only 6 struck ..
Three are held by institutions .. 2 in Museums and 1 in an Art Gallery ..
The other three are in private collections.
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mental cRIPple @ "$h0rt$" -- Gila_Bob (), 17:07:20 11/21/09 Sat
Yer unbelievably "simple" & Disingenu0U$
In addition to being a Lying Jack-A$$
I SOLD GAS I WAS GOING-TO-PRODUCE in the Future
To cover an Acqui$ition$ Debt Pay-Mint Schedule
I did not "short" Anything
There were BUYER$ who wanted the Ga$ at a FIXED PRICE
And Our PartnershiP Had it For $ALE
CONtinue to Blather 0n
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What an idiot -- RIP, 17:04:22 11/21/09 Sat
Haven't you digested that boot yet?
m0rbiU$ -- Gila_Bob, 17:02:00 11/21/09 Sat
Friend:
Have u No Sovereignty Now?????????
No Free Will????????
I know u'd prefer n0n-electede Liter$
I jU$t figured u'd wanna (g00$e-)Step-Up
Big Bob
(Maybe if only Rich White Non-Jewish Non-Liberal Guys Got ta Vote
Yeah...........That's the Ticket..............
And I KNOW ERLE, a-p0ll0, and multiple udders Here
tHINK that WOOD BEE bE$T.................LOL)
Jasper, 16:28:20 11/21/09 Sat -- LilDevil, 16:52:25 11/21/09 Sat
That's better lol
Assuming the crosses were not added just for 'effect'
I'd guess they're slightly over exposed bright spots, the galaxy itself is the object of the photo (obviously) and the photo was adjusted accordingly....I have no 1st hand knowledge but I doubt NASA would purposely dress that image up with phony crosses. It does not need it since the image is already quite 'awe inspiring'.
Now the source of the bright spots (crosses) look to me like a much more distant and much much more energetic object(s) than the subject galaxy...IE Super Novas and other extreme phenomenon. icbw
Gila - Sorry, not interested in ruling the world (only in having soveriegnty over my self) -- morbius, 16:50:07 11/21/09 Sat
Take it up with your bagel, pizza and chitlin eatin' poseur.
U.K. Royal Mint Quadruples Production of Gold Coins -- Jasper, 16:46:17 11/21/09 Sat
Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) -- The U.K.’s Royal Mint, established in the 13th century, more than quadrupled production of gold coins in the third quarter after demand for the metal increased as investors sought to hedge against a weakening dollar.
Output rose to 32,735.8 ounces from 7,500.2 ounces a year before, according to data obtained by Bloomberg News under a Freedom of Information Act request. Production in the first nine months more than tripled to 100,391.3 ounces, the data show.
photo of the day -- Jasper -- Earl, 16:40:58 11/21/09 Sat
It's my understanding that those bright points are inherent to telescope optics and cannot be removed. There is also a notably less brilliant star on the lower edge of the galaxy ...... it displays the same artifact at lower intensity.
Get it? -- RIP, 16:40:15 11/21/09 Sat
Gila IS an achiever....even though he can no longer find oil.
Gas is a whole nuther story.
He's living off his hedge....ie. short.
While selling well short of his $15 call.
How much of those short proceeds are you donating to Obama's grand plan?
When is a penny worth a million $$$$$$ -- Jasper, 16:38:51 11/21/09 Sat
When is a penny worth a million dollars?
When it's a 1795 reeded-edge U.S. penny, one of only seven known to exist. It recently sold for nearly $1.3 million at auction—the first time a one-cent coin has cracked the million-dollar price barrier.
It follows the sale earlier this year of a high-end collection of rare half-dollars that fetched $1.1 million at auction. At the same time, popular $20 U.S. Saint-Gaudens gold pieces from the early 20th century are commanding $1,700 apiece, sight unseen, in decent, though not perfect condition, topping a record high last seen more than two decades ago.
Gila - That quote was from your hero -- morbius, 16:28:55 11/21/09 Sat
didn't recognize the lyrics (or the type of craven political lout to which the lyrics refer)?
"More importantly, at the Ag Trading Post, you won't find us accepting green "cash" as payment. No credit cards either. We believe paper "money" is debt, and debt is slavery. And so, as payment for goods and services, we exclusively accept - Value for Value."
... "- Ag focuses on quality, not quantity: instead of rushing to fill up the shelves with cheap imported junk , Ag is taking the time to develop relationships with producers and manufacturers. If we wouldn’t want it in our own homes, you won’t find it at the store. If you know someone that takes pride in their creations and would like to establish a new retail distribution outlet, send them to Jarrod! The list of products grows slowly but surely as top-quality items of interest are identified.
- Ag accepts ALL silver: in fact, the exchange rate is simple: generic .999 bullion is accepted at “spot” +5 per ounce, .999 coins (eagles, for example) are accepted at “spot” +10 per ounce, AOCS Silver is accepted at face value (fifty per ounce), and junk coins are accepted at FIFTEEN TIMES face value! When you consider the Ag exchange rate, and that the items in the store are priced at OR BELOW what you would expect to pay at other fine retailers, you may quickly come to realize that the Ag Trading Post makes real money go much further!"
Jasper -- A beautiful galaxy with that irritating large star with the rays attached. -- LilDevil, 16:25:11 11/21/09 Sat
It might be a Pulsar or Quasar not a star
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Gila - Upset? -- morbius, 16:20:30 11/21/09 Sat
Man, you really HAVE lost it. There are many things to be upset about. Your stupid, childish and vulgar rants are not among them. Not even close.
Gila - You are a disgrace (is that observation 'bitching'?) -- morbius, 16:14:42 11/21/09 Sat
"The only cum around Here
Is in the Back of your Mouth"
Is about as low and vulgar a thing as I can imagine. Do you think all the money that (you say) you have made, or the academic honors (allegedly) bestowed makes such vile remarks less of a disgrace? (And SO superior to the use of the 'N' word, of course).
l00$er who has never accomplished a THING -- Gila_Bob, 16:06:47 11/21/09 Sat
Other than inheriting his daddy'$ $heckle$
CONtinues to BARE HIS A$$ to the Whirled
Whatta l00$er
new EU prez :: today the EU; tomorrow the World -- siempre33 (), 16:06:21 11/21/09 Sat
Herman van Rompuy: At his first press conference, he announced that he wanted the EU to return to “the economic and social agenda”. He hailed 2009 as “the first year of global governance”: a reference to the wrong-headed G20 agenda. He went on to describe the Copenhagen climate summit as “another step towards the global management of our planet”.
Ya sea cRIP CONtinues -- Gila_Bob, 16:03:32 11/21/09 Sat
Ta try and get in thye Last w0rd
He cannot help it...........
He suffers from p0$tU$ InterruptU$
I have a bone to pick about the Nasa.gov, photo of the day -- Jasper, 15:22:17 11/21/09 Sat -- LilDevil (), 16:02:41 11/21/09 Sat
".............The photos are quite beautiful and the caption gives good reading. My problem is with the twinkling stars......................"
Hello Jasper, not sure if you're referring to a specific photo or 'NASA images of the Day' in general.
I not sure if "twinkling stars" are possible in a STILL photo, perhaps you're thinking of 'False Color' which NASA adds to represent invisible (to humans) frequencies of light?
"................. Where the stars have rays attached by special computer enhancement that is increasingly detracting from the photos. There are no twinkling ray stars when you look at them either by the naked eye or by telescope. Do you think that maybe because the 'Christ star' has the ray images that nasa.gov is trying to emulate religious connotations?............................"
'Enhancements' may distract from the beauty of an image but may be (more importantly) scientifically significant.
The Human eye is blind to most of the universe. IE. Infrared, Xrays, Gamma rays ect.
NASA does release images just for the beauty and grandeur but if they are "trying to emulate religious connotations", I have no idea.
"...........If you by chance are able to log into that website and can leave suggestions, could you please find out why they do this..........."
I have no special Log On credentials but contact info is often included with the images.
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Ya see...when Gila is wrong -- RIP, 16:01:49 11/21/09 Sat
..he resorts to personal insults.
And pounds his breasts.
Gila - I have no interest is sifting through lies -- morbius, 15:47:33 11/21/09 Sat
be they government lies or accountant's lies. I am a low-trust individual, and I know it has cost me much money, but I am OK. Satiety is a joy that the greedy and overly acquisitive can never know. Kimo's Rules, remember.
I am only interested in driving the golden stake through the heart of The Beast.
Gila, "thou requirest a little lower layer. If money's to be the measurer, man, and the accountants have computed their great counting-house the globe, by girdling it with guineas, one to every three parts of an inch; then, let me tell thee, that my vengeance will fetch a great premium here!"
--Ahab
Or perhaps I should say a Golden Harpoon, so as not to mix metaphors.
Joe sez -- RIP, 15:47:18 11/21/09 Sat
Smart money making easy money.
Institutions making big money.
Then the mania blow-off.
------
Like I said yesterday.
Just the GS bonus money would be enough to crush POG.
Clueless is what clueless wants to think.
Big money is currently frontrunning glod.....and the reason will become apparent much later.
Note to Mental cRIPple -- Gila_Bob, 15:44:50 11/21/09 Sat
Friend:
I know that you have not accomplished 1 Damn Thing
In YOUR Life.........
Livin' off Daddy'$ Munney & All.....
I have
Worked on Drilling Rigs up to The Position of Driller for 7 Years
A BS in Petroleum Engineering @ The New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology after That where
I was the Winner of The Cramer Award the Year I Graduated
That is, I was The Highest Ranking Engineering Graduate That Year in ALL Disciplines
I went to work for The ARCO Oil & Gas Company
While Consulting in the mid-1990's
I obtained an MS in Hydrogeology & Geology
At The Colorado School of Mines
I am also a Licensed Professional Engineer in 5 States
I passed the Boards in Colorado
I hold the Other 4 Licenses by Reciprocity
I know you like to be-little the Accomplishments of Others
Having NEVER done Jack-Shit Yourself
So TRY to at least get My Credentials Correct, Dip Shit
Buttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
I'll try not to Let
Your Bad Attitude, Loutish Behaviour & Endless Screeching
Influence My Take on your Dim-Witted Advice.........LOL
We thought Boobus would run to gold. - morbius -- JoeB, 15:38:54 11/21/09 Sat
Maybe you did, but I didn't. And as for RIP being right about one thing, we know it as: "the broken clock syndrome."
I have stated from the very beginning, that the average American would eventually buy silver, for when the time comes where they wake-up to what's happening, gold would be too expensive to buy (if it can be bought). Its at that point, we'll see silver really move, if not scream.
The first move in gold (which severely corrected last year) was the inflation play, this current move is the insurance play and the last move will be from either a collapse or major realignment of the monetary system.
Smart money making easy money.
Institutions making big money.
Then the mania blow-off.
All U Dew is bitch, morbius -- Gila_Bob, 15:29:11 11/21/09 Sat
Friend:
But if I take up 20 Line$
Why it'$ Over-the-Top..........
Interesting..........
Kinda like u wanna Entertain
jU$t 1 POV...........
like cRIP........
like ERLE.......
b00 h00 h00!!!
U could pick the following Categories:
Alt Energy
Oil & Gas
Oil Sands & Heavy Oil
Utilities
Coal
Transpotation Rail
Transportation Freight
Food Grocer
Food Fertilizer/Seeds
Food Processor
Advanced Materials
Composite Materials
Steel
Equipment Manufacturing
Auto Manufacturing
Mining Base Metals
Mining Gold
Mining PGM's
Pick 1 stock out of EACH Category
Which had at least 1 Quarter of Positive Earnings Since Last Fall
LOOK OVER the Balance Sheet to make SURE you have $UM Intere$t & THEN
LISTEN to the Quarterly Conference Call
UNDERSTAND what THEY are saying about the General Economic Back-Drop
AND Their Business
Tells u more about thee Economy
Than countle$$ hours of Repetitive Propoganda
At THI$ Place
But that Requires Balance Sheet Analysis
Thought
Effort
AND Follow-Up (Call w/ Question$)
I know that this Type of Effort
Is beyond the ken of a Bunch of Dissatisfied, Lazy & Otherwise U$ele$$ Retiree$
But Hey...........
It's not like they could not Change
Big Bob
(It takes about 10-12 Hours a Day
Buttttttttttttttttttttttt
On just my Cash Account
I have a $urplu$ over My Start
AND
I have lived off the Proceeds
For the Last 8 mos.
Since I Bailed-Out on My ex-Partner$)
Raja: This site is getting scarier each day. -- MichaelH, 15:29:04 11/21/09 Sat
Perhaps anyone subject to scare / urinary / similar problems would be advised to wear depends for the next few weeks, starting tommorow.
But most knew that already. Regarding zero credibility
its quite tolerable and most common. It's the credibility in the range
of negative infinity that gives one a sense of vertigo simply trying to gauge it
thus avoided for the dizziness.
JoeB - And RIP was also bullish on bonds -- morbius, 15:23:35 11/21/09 Sat
and made the point that one could leverage even small changes in the interest rate. We thought Boobus would run to gold. He ran to bonds instead. There is plenty to criticize RIP about, but let's be fair. He called this one right, and it was a BIG call. When the Bond Bubble bursts, gold will have its day. I really believe RIP is on the wrong side of the next big move (with his assertion that GS is manipulating gold UP), but we will see. I expect a major attack @POG1200 (give or take a few bucks). How successful it will be remains to be seen.
LilDevil, I have a bone to pick about the Nasa.gov, photo of the day -- Jasper, 15:22:17 11/21/09 Sat
The photos are quite beautiful and the caption gives good reading. My problem is with the twinkling stars. Where the stars have rays attached by special computer enhancement that is increasingly detracting from the photos. There are no twinkling ray stars when you look at them either by the naked eye or by telescope. Do you think that maybe because the 'Christ star' has the ray images that nasa.gov is trying to emulate religious connotations?
If you by chance are able to log into that website and can leave suggestions, could you please find out why they do this.
stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams
Mr, Inflationist says I have zero credibility -- RIP, 15:16:55 11/21/09 Sat
Sounds like sour grapes.
You are prepared for the next leg down...aren't you?
As you see it -- RIP, 15:13:55 11/21/09 Sat
But I still don't see $15 nat gas....or inflation.
I don't even see a US dollar currency crisis.
Yet POG trucks higher.
Gila claims to be a petroleum engineer. -- RIP, 14:52:05 11/21/09 Sat
...yet his $15 nat gas call was so wildly off base....what it next?
A call for peak oil?
A call for global warming?
A call for stocks to the moon?
If you are that ignorant of your own profession....what hope is there?
Gold Bubble burst - Skinnee -- CoralCalcium, 14:45:02 11/21/09 Sat
I know it's your thing to bash gold as it goes higher and higher. The bubble will burst when it becomes a bubble and long after the Cabal loses control. First of all they haven't lost total control yet and second of all, one out of every 100 Americans owns any physical gold or silver. Does 1-100 sound like a bubble to you?
Gila's testosterone level has risen with the markets. -- RIP, 14:28:40 11/21/09 Sat
Bottom line is....1 short year ago...you didn't know shit.
You can toss numbers and percentage points....but where was the bellowing jackarse last November?
Nowhere.
Btw....you don't know sweet FA about me.
Let's keep it that way.
seafloor secretions are the better part of value -- 2bro2b (), 14:09:14 11/21/09 Sat
Treasure bounty hunter Odyssey decides going into competition with Nautilaus Mining for exploration and monetization of gold and copper-rich Seafloor Massive Sulfide (SMS) deposits is preferable to litigation on five continents regarding wreck 'arrests' in seven seas. After finding treasure laying for centuries, often in view of land, suddenly every interest who'd stolen it at one time or another now think it belongs to them and judges tend to agree. Sahreholder, down -70%, twelve hundred bucks. Lesson, steer clear of companies with material ongoing litigation particularly if the attorneys involved outnumber the employees. At least keep the geography of suits down to a minority of continents and seas.
At least pom-pommers of peak goldist religiousity aren't smoking something or they wouldn't be peaked, calcs depend upon who's smoking what in their peace pipe. And how.
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Meanwhile, Here at RepubliCRAP Central -- Gila_Bob, 14:08:56 11/21/09 Sat
Friends:
The parr0ting of end-LE$$ non-profitable Fox Nudes Drivel
Continues Day-after-Day
And the Whining LeveL is at Near Peak Pitch
I gata believe that most of the poster(iors) Here
Never get out into General Commerce At All
Or cannot be bothered to Listen to ANY Conference Calls
In order to Understand the True Nature
Of Current Bu$ine$$, Capital $pending & Future Outl00k
Lastly
Since allah u "$avant$" are sew Worried about Unemploy-Mint Rate$
Can anyone show mois the Data Revealing
An Economic Rebound out of a Rece$$ion
That BEGAN with decreasing rates of Unemploy-Mint
I will not Hold My Breath
Since I already Know The Answer
I have HIRED & FIRED People in My Career
And I have Laid-Off Folks when I Had To
And struggled like hell to find those People
OTHER Work
AFTER going thru the Latter
I worked the Daylights out of the Remaining Staff
To absolutely avoid a REPEAT of that Experience
Prior to Resuming Hiring
Of course many here who have never Been thru The Cycle
Know ALL ABOUT THAT.........
Especially what Fox Nude$ Tells Them to "know"
Big Bob
(Then there's the trU$t baby Here
That "kn0w$" about everything...........
Having never done ANYthing......LOL)
CIA torture chamber in Lithuania? -- RIP, 13:58:52 11/21/09 Sat
Here is Rumsfeld during his 2005 tour of Vilnius.
...."I also had the chance to spend an enjoyable and educational Sunday morning walking through your historic, old town district and visiting the KGB museum. The museum was a stark reminder of the importance of preserving our liberty at all costs..." http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003156.html
-- -- Winston, 13:54:44 11/21/09 Sat
understanding the commerical real estate wreck...
crazy loans made in 2005,6,7, will blow up in 2010,11,12.
This will take out about 500 US banks. Video.
BTW...my cash call was well before the Lehman collapse -- RIP, 13:47:38 11/21/09 Sat
If you had listened to me....you could have resumed from a stronger base.
But you didn't.
So....you ARE lucky.
Current A$$et$ (Ca$h + $t0ck$) UP 2.78 Times Value @ LOW CL0$E @ 11/21/2008.
Even Got Grammaw UP 1.66 Times Value since 3/9/2009 when I t00k over from the Wachovia Imbecile.
I Kn0w its jU$t Luck.......
The mental cRIPple t0ld me sew...........
Leaving it all in Ca$h as thee Nitwit Suggested
Would have left me 1/3 as Wealthy
Butttttttttttttttttttttt
I wood have had thee c0mf0rt of zero Return$.........LOL
Now he's out giving advice on Industry $ect0r$
Nothin quite like a Loud Mouth
An Empty Wallet & a Bird Brain
Anyone el$e might bee Em-BARE-A$$ed
But not our Mental cRIPple
On-and-0n he goes jU$t like thee Energizer Bunny
@ purchasing power of gold -- RIP, 13:40:10 11/21/09 Sat
It is only indicating the power of cash....and the lack of credit.
Will it change?
Of course.
But when?
education subsidies become birthrights -- 2bro2b, 13:38:29 11/21/09 Sat
Hundreds of protesters chanted, marched and took over a building Thursday on the UCLA campus, where University of California regents were scheduled to vote on a 32 percent student fee increase.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
UCLA, UC Berkeley students barricaded in campus buildings over tuition hikes. Oughta work, worked for French farmers parading sheep ablaze through the streets, nothing succeeds like success. Try reducing seniors' welfare.
Try reducing middle-class welfare, the home mortgage subsidy. Ain't gonna happen. Try continue paying it. Ain't gonna happen. Path of least resistance, the usual. Different this time, a whole lot. For one thing a media that didn't understand it then doesn't understand it now but the difference now is noone pays them any attention
in deference to web-based outlets that do understand and are happy to explain. Certificates of confiscation held domestically and abroad have been replaced with certificates of sophistication, the warfare less asymetric.
Pyrite, neat that you kept that old menu momento -- mercury -- Pyrite, 13:18:22 11/21/09 Sat
Actually SHE kept it. I'm still going thru stuff. Didn't even remember the telegram I sent her on our anniversary back in the 60's.
Sent it to her where she worked.
The lunatic fringe are hibernating -- Jasper, 13:13:52 11/21/09 Sat
Preparing to awaken and spread the world with news of crop circles, aliens, Elvis sightings, shroud of Turin affirmations, supercollider death threats, global warming, moon hoaxing, 911 denying, JFK conspiracy, Loch ness monster touting crazy kind of subterfuge that captivated the populace in the past.
What about mining stocks -- Smythe, -- Deepbreather, 13:03:13 11/21/09 Sat
Well, Bowtie Jim, is fun to listen to, but the history lesson is irrefutable. Getting on the right side of the miners is absolutely necessary to take full advantage of a PM bull market. My personal experience has proven this in spades since year 2000 and I am just one of many. Yea, you have to play it a bit, selling a percentage into strength when you hate to do it, and buying into weakness when you're wetting your pants, but the rewards are just amazing. If you listen to Jim long enough you begin to wonder...he was neutral to bearish on gold until the last year or so. Anyway, some of his comments and rationale don't seem particularly enlightening. Like I say entertaining so he gets invited back on CNBC. Of course, the Oracle from Omaha is totally worthless, but he's everyone's god.
Health care reform -- Jasper, 13:01:34 11/21/09 Sat
Bet you that the new bill for the health care reform is going to look good on your w2's. A new $ box right next to the social security box. You will have that wonderful feeling in the pit of your stomach when you realize that you are no longer getting benefits from social security AND will not get benefits from the health care reform but will still have to fund them both.
the disCredited ones -- 2bro2b, 12:53:30 11/21/09 Sat
A historic financial Bubble fueled a housing mania. The Bubble collapsed and the mania won’t be reappearing anytime soon. As a reminder of the nature of manias, Nasdaq traded above 5,000 in March 2000 and sits at less than half that level almost a decade later. Japan’s Nikkei traded to 38,957 on December 29, 1989 and closed today at 9,498. Reflations may create new manias, but they don’t rejuvenate the disCredited ones.
"Waaaay back when people still wrote letters" -- mercury, 12:18:52 -- Kip, 12:31:38 11/21/09 Sat
here's a service lets you send paper mail via the Internet..
For 99 cents, Snailmailr will take the electronic note you type on their web site, print it, stuff it into an envelope and mail it anywhere in the world. You can upload Word files, pictures, PDF files, PowerPoint files, and Snailmailr will print them all in full color. . . . http://snailmailr.com
What about mining stocks -- Smythe, 12:29:53 11/21/09 Sat
as a way to play rising silver and gold prices?
Jim Rogers: Not with my money. The studies show that you would make more investing in commodities themselves rather than commodity stocks unless you are a very good stock picker. If you are a good stock picker, unless you find a company that is going to discover silver in Berlin you buy all you can and then you call me and I'm going to buy it too ....short of something like that and there are a hundred gold stocks and most of them don't pan out. But if you own gold, gold is making all time highs.
Pyrite, neat that you kept that old menu momento -- mercury, 12:18:52 11/21/09 Sat
kinda curious honeymoon souvenir, nowadays most people just make a video.
at any rate, I came across this guys collection of hotel ephemera. mostly a bunch of letterheads and envelopes that used to grace the hotel room desk. Waaaay back when people still wrote letters. Pretty neat. Turns out that folks collect hotel matchbook covers and ashtrays, and hotel menus.
those hotel menus are actually a very good indicator of past prices b.c. they were 1) standardized and 2) common.
Basically, an earlier version of the big mac index.
These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM). Stephen Schneider was a prime mover there from the earliest reports to the most influential in 2001. They also had a left wing conduit to the New York Times. The emails between Andy Revkin and the community are very revealing and must place his journalistic integrity in serious jeopardy. Of course the IPCC Reports and especially the SPM Reports are the basis for Kyoto and the Copenhagen Accord, but now we know they are based on completely falsified and manipulated data and science. It is no longer a suspicion. Surely this is the death knell for the CRU, the IPCC, Kyoto and Copenhagen and the Carbon Credits shell game.
CO2 never was a problem and all the machinations and deceptions exposed by these files prove that it was the greatest deception in history, but nobody is laughing. It is a very sad day for science and especially my chosen area of climate science. As I expected now it is all exposed I find there is no pleasure in “I told you so.”
more Climategate.... -- siempre33, 11:33:19 11/21/09 Sat
The Deniers looks very interesting....
Al Gore says any scientist who disagrees with him on Global Warming is a kook, or a crook.
Guess he never met these guys
Dr. Edward Wegman--former chairman of the Committee on Applied and Theoretical Statistics of the National Academy of Sciences--demolishes the famous "hockey stick" graph that launched the global warming panic.
Dr. David Bromwich--president of the International Commission on Polar Meteorology--says "it's hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now."
Prof. Paul Reiter--Chief of Insects and Infectious Diseases at the famed Pasteur Institute--says "no major scientist with any long record in this field" accepts Al Gore's claim that global warming spreads mosquito-borne diseases.
Prof. Hendrik Tennekes--director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute--states "there exists no sound theoretical framework for climate predictability studies" used for global warming forecasts.
Dr. Christopher Landsea--past chairman of the American Meteorological Society's Committee on Tropical Meteorology and Tropical Cyclones--says "there are no known scientific studies that show a conclusive physical link between global warming and observed hurricane frequency and intensity."
Dr. Antonino Zichichi--one of the world's foremost physicists, former president of the European Physical Society, who discovered nuclear antimatter--calls global warming models "incoherent and invalid."
Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski--world-renowned expert on the ancient ice cores used in climate research--says the U.N. "based its global-warming hypothesis on arbitrary assumptions and these assumptions, it is now clear, are false."
Prof. Tom V. Segalstad--head of the Geological Museum, University of Oslo--says "most leading geologists" know the U.N.'s views "of Earth processes are implausible."
Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu--founding director of the International Arctic Research Center, twice named one of the "1,000 Most Cited Scientists," says much "Arctic warming during the last half of the last century is due to natural change."
Dr. Claude Allegre--member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences and French Academy of Science, he was among the first to sound the alarm on the dangers of global warming. His view now: "The cause of this climate change is unknown."
Dr. Richard Lindzen--Professor of Meteorology at M.I.T., member, the National Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, says global warming alarmists "are trumpeting catastrophes that couldn't happen even if the models were right."
Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov--head of the space research laboratory of the Russian Academy of Science's Pulkovo Observatory and of the International Space Station's Astrometria project says "the common view that man's industrial activity is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."
Dr. Richard Tol--Principal researcher at the Institute for Environmental Studies at Vrije Universiteit, and Adjunct Professor at the Center for Integrated Study of the Human Dimensions of Global Change, at Carnegie Mellon University, calls the most influential global warming report of all time "preposterous . . . alarmist and incompetent."
Dr. Sami Solanki--director and scientific member at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Germany, who argues that changes in the Sun's state, not human activity, may be the principal cause of global warming: "The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures."
Prof. Freeman Dyson--one of the world's most eminent physicists says the models used to justify global warming alarmism are "full of fudge factors" and "do not begin to describe the real world."
Dr. Eigils Friis-Christensen--director of the Danish National Space Centre, vice-president of the International Association of Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, who argues that changes in the Sun's behavior could account for most of the warming attributed by the UN to man-made CO2.
some prices in 1980 -- WileE -- Pyrite, 11:20:17 11/21/09 Sat
Going thru Sondra's stuff yesterday and came across this ROOM SERVICE menu from our trip to Yosemite in 1969.
Prices weren't this exorbitant if you went down to the restaurant. http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2828/yosemitemenu.jpg
Who says the RUSH isn't on? -- Pyrite, 11:11:05 11/21/09 Sat
Just got an Apmex email with a testimonial:
"Just wanted to let you know that my 1/4th oz Austrian Philharmonic Gold Coin arrived safely today, and it looks absolutely great. I appreciate the rather fast shipping as well. * This was my very first Gold Coin purchase, but it won't be my last. " I'll be back " ! I would like to be able to afford to purchase a larger coin like this, next time, such as a 1/2 oz, or maybe someday, a 1 oz coin. But for now, this 1/4oz coin will do just fine. You have made my very first gold coin purchase a very memorable event. Thanks very much." - Karl H."
some prices in 1980 -- WileE, 11:07:10 11/21/09 Sat
Money and Inflation 1980's
To provide an estimate of inflation we have given a guide to the value of $100 US Dollars
for the first year in the decade to the equivalent in todays money
If you have $100 Converted from 1980 to 2005 it would be equivalent to $243.45 today
In 1980 a new house cost $68,714.00 and by 1989 was $120,00.00
Check Examples of Some of the Houses and Prices For Sale In The 80s in Our 80s Homes Section
In 1980 the average income per year was $19,170.00 and by 1989 was $27,210.00
In 1980 a gallon of gas was $1.19 and by 1989 was 97 cents
In 1980 the average cost of new car was $7,210.00 and by 1989 was $15,400.00
A few more prices from the 80's and how much things cost
Camaro Coupe $7,571 From Car Prices in the 80's
Pontiac Grand AM $9,965
Nike Air Force Basketball Shoes $54.90
Tailored Style Silk Blouse $15.99 From Prices for clothes and fashions in the 80's
Amiga 500 with Color Monitor $849 From Our 80s Electrical and Electronic Prices in the 80's
Hands Free Operating Car Phone History of Mobile Phones $788
Leg O Lamb $2.19 per pound
Milk 85 cents 1/2 gallon From Our 80s Price of Food Section
Bunk Beds with Mattress $148
Chrome Sling Chair $76.00 From Our Furniture Prices Section in the 80's
Cheer Laundry Detergent $1.59
An extreme example to be sure, but gold surely had higher purchasing power in 1980.
A car like a high-end Camaro could be had for 12 oz.
Today it's $32,000+ or almost 30 oz.
And that's when the manipulation started!
No telling how high gold's purchasing power can go if the manip schemes cave in.
Climategate -- 2bro2b, 11:02:51 11/21/09 Sat
The bigger they are the har-har they fall. This was good if only for an overview for the layperson of the utter messiness extending to the galactic.
The default position is probably that no one has a clue either way or any way nor any sound basis for one. At this point the climatology of Jupiter is better understood in terms of influential agencies for lack of conflating hominid inputs, real but of unknown effect, and Jupiter's weather can be rationally observed without controversy stemming from emotional, psychological, financial, cultural, ethnic, political, sovereign, regional, transnational, hemispherical...amongst many other....entanglements.
The apparently soundest argument advanced by the greens is the precautionary principle. Despite being fans of all things connected....a butterfly here, a tornado there....
their precautionary principle seems disconnected from other precautionary principles launched by the adoption of their precautionary principle, all things connected. No atheists in foxholes, no environmentalists in desperate men taking desperate measures as desperados in desperate poverty. Greens find environmental degradation in Malthusian numbers. Highest per capita/sq ft Hong Kong seems pretty clean and livable, no daily toxic poisoning of the residents. The greenest of horrors is found associated with destitution and the untold story within the borders of losers of the Cold War.
Climategate -- oilboiler (), 10:09:58 11/21/09 Sat
The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)
When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:
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Valuing gold independent of fiat currencies -- Dabchyk, 10:00:01 11/21/09 Sat
Dabchick Gold Index figures [London trade. ( Basis : Jan 1982 = 100 )] for the past week:-
High - 206.1 Low - 198.7 Close - 205.0 for the week ending 20 Nov 2009
NB The index is a ratio of the change in the Real Value of Gold relative to what it was in January 1982. The calculation has incorporated the real value of the USD's trade-weighted index (the inflation-adjusted $TWI). This enables the index to show the real changes in gold's value since 1982, regardless of fiat currencies, by discounting the unreal price-raising effects which governments can cause to the fiat price of anything by the debasement of their fiat currencies.
:-: -- Kip, 09:38:49 11/21/09 Sat "Go take a look at how many ounces it takes to buy a car or a house. It will never be cheaper unless one is betting on a total collapse .... I am certain that there has never been anything like this" -- mudturtle, 23:58:31
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and grains (corn, wheat, soybeans) too...... this chart shows just how cheap they are when priced in ounces of gold, compared with a decade ago.
the benefits of a crumbling currency -- mugwump, 09:13:25 11/21/09 Sat
So the benefits of a crumbling currency have yet to materialize. However, the ravages of pursuing such a flawed policy have started to arrive. The price of oil has soared and gold is setting new highs every day. Credit spreads are indicating that investors are mispricing risk yet again and the ballooning trade deficit indicates that we once again believe we can consume much more than we produce.
The stock market is dancing on top of a $2 trillion monetary base and that latent liquidity has sent commodities higher, while the dollar sinks. My guess is that Wall Street and Washington believes things are getting much better. But I’ve seen this movie already and I don’t like how it ends. As the prints on CPI become more and more difficult to ignore, the Fed will be forced to remove the life support provided by their free money policy. When that occurs we will see the return of economic calamity. And maybe then we will have the courage to finally face and deal with the true problem. New flash to D.C. and Wall Street, it is not the misperception of an overvalued dollar, but rather it is our overriding debt.
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jordan roy-byrne -- mugwump, 08:58:52 11/21/09 Sat
Gold has followed a similar pattern, if you use $700-$730, the monthly resistance. Gold broke past that in 2007 and then retested it in 2008. The breakout past the 2008 high confirms that Gold is in new territory. Judging from history (and there are many examples), Gold is at the start of a major move higher. Our target for this move is $2,100-$2,300 in the next 12 months.
It is interesting how these major breakouts occur at a time when fundamentals are their strongest. How can anyone call Gold a bubble when gold production continues to decrease? How can anyone call Gold a bubble when monetization is rampant? How can anyone call Gold a bubble when the FHA and FDIC will need to be bailed out? How can anyone call Gold a bubble when the US deficit is in the trillions of dollars? The deflationary forces plaguing us are bullish for Gold. That is what the market is saying and that is how traders and investors are reacting.
There is a reason the recognition phase in a bull market comes after that major breakout. Humans are reactive and when it comes to the markets, they follow the herd. It is only after price breaks out do the fundamentals become so obvious. The views of the bubble callers and wanna be contrarians are baseless, misguided and ironically, coming at the worst possible time.
radomski -- mugwump, 08:33:02 11/21/09 Sat
Summing up, based on this week's price action, it seems that gold may need to move higher before correcting in a meaningful way. The key driving markets for precious metals, USD Index and the general stock market don't provide decisive signals, and the former has been recently trading rather independently from PMs, so it may not be needed to ignite a rally or a sell-off in the metals. Once the looming correction is complete, the following rally can be quite spectacular, as precious metals stocks are becoming less dependent on the main stock indices, and the non-USD gold price formed a massive cup from the very bullish cup-and-handle pattern. If the rally is to be profound even not taking U.S. Dollar's plunge into account, then the value of the yellow metal in USD can increase even more significantly from the "regular, USD perspective".
Today GLD holds more gold bullion -- 2bro2b, 08:29:42 11/21/09 Sat
Today GLD holds more gold bullion than the individual central banks of China, Switzerland, Japan, Russia, Europe, and India! Overcoming some controversy after its introduction, GLD has matured into the juggernaut of the gold world. Through their collective buying and selling of GLD shares, stock traders now have far more influence over daily gold price action than the world’s central banks.
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Exactly the point. Hong Kong shifts a couple three tons, not even a sale or purchase, just relocation on the orb and its a big freakin' deal. Meanwhile GLD quietly, steadily
vaults another 100 times that amount. India scoops up 200 tons IMF gold, big freakin' deal. Gold ETFs steadily vault a multiple of that. Where the rubber meets the road, above ground gold and new production being shipped into storage vaults, largely unavailable for sale (or suddenly very much for sale,) bugs yabber on about tons of irrelevancies while finding only faults in the vaults of the tons that add up to what actually matters by orders of magnitude relative to that which doesn't outside pigments of the imagination.
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"Despite endless incoherent ranting by a few wildly-paranoid conspiracy theorists, GLD could not have achieved this without actually buying and selling real physical gold bullion as advertised."
Though beyond the scope of this essay to prove on a day-to-day basis, GLD’s activity in the gold markets is increasingly impacting the gold price. And through GLD, prevailing stock-trader psychology on gold is becoming more important than ever before. Greed and fear among GLD traders is amplifying big gold up days and down days, and the larger GLD grows and the more widely it becomes held the more significant and frequent this influence and interaction will become.
(fwiw zeal has been proven wrong about most things, others yardage may vary. Gotta move these microwave ovens, gotta move these color teeeeveeees...)
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The genius of gold ETFs is integration into the financial markets. Not the coin shop down the street with big entry/exit spreads but no muss, no fuss, effortless low expense buy/sell bullion ownership complete with the risk management tools of any security/asset...stop losses, hedging etc.
If there is any gold conspiracy out there it is classifying this popular ETF asset as a collectable, denying favorable cap gains treatment which is why CEF sells at premium despite higher expenses. It's the taxes stupid, same diff between a muni and a taxable bond.
Yield-free risk, as in T-bills, CDs, money markets (currency risk) works to the yield-free benefit of gold for the time being, what's to lose. A future benefit would be removing its collectible classification which isn't going to happen. What can happen is a narrowing of the tax benefit differential by an increase in the cap gains rate of other assets, very likely to happen if familiar with the
mind(less)set of the usual suspects.
Contrary to those addicted/afflicted with a progressively debilitating illness culminating in terminal(...) insanity, an ugly growth of preference for anything and everything that actually isn't to the exclusionary dwindling of anything that is, gold price action is driven by market participants dwelling in reality, not bugs, and gold etfs are the preferred vehicle for participants because they are hands down preferable for any and every
common sense _reason_ for acquisition and holding of bullion.
Full disclosure-- never owned a gold etf. Sniffed around CEF several times, too high a premium particularly for nontaxable acct. Their sister fund, gold GTU had the same tax advantage, was thinly traded at a double digit discount after launch but I passed. Fcx silver- and gold-denominated preferreds, yielding high single digits for, at one asian contagion point, $150oz were gold and silver etfs before
etfs were a glimmer in an eye. Backed up and loaded the truck, should have broke the axles, ($15k income alone, adding gains upon mandatory redemption, 43%) that Aronson fellow saw their value. Being of rational mind with assets under management he left the children to play with their mudpies. His brother at Comstock Partners used to get major media facetime until turning as bearish as Peutz about ten years early with results to show for it. Down the hidey-hole, joining Abby, Elaine, Blodget, dotbomb Gilder. These has-beens have alumni reunions? Send out 5-year invitations to Roubini, Schiff, Taleb...? Fund managers Heebner, Miller's are in the mail. Fidelity's Lynch got out at the top of his run of luck, unlike Borg of tennis, or madman Jean-Claude Killy of skiing who got out at the top of their _game_. As the song goes when your hot your hot, monkeys and coin flips are at least tepidly more consistent than hominids but I digress.
There was some bullion laying around in a vault last Dec. Junk silver and retail sized bullion products were unobtainium other than ebay, a silver eagle 100% premium to spot, 100z bar 50% premium. The stuff laying around was 35% discount to spot, along with 35% discount on cash, cad T-bills. I thought that offered good downside protection for a bullion purchase while picking through the rubble that was strewn, as it turns out, from horizon to horizon.
GLD is up 25% ytd, sprott fund 100%. It was a cheap way to buy gold/silver but not a cheap way to hold or sell, given a 2/20 hedge structure. Still holding $35k after recouping original stake, it has the same tax advantage as CEF. It took a waste of time pointing out something laying around amongst a thousand touts a minute and certainly will never happen again. Risk adjusted 100% is hard to find for cash and bullion to hide out while the storm passes.
'Member Sam commenting on the armored truck out the window backing up to the vault to load Canada's gold.
Or mad scot outback Haggis, who couldn't comment on greenstone or greenfields for starting so far beyond where anyone left off and had forgotten everything in between.
He did mention as gold dwindled to $250oz that he was the only one left out there and that the average age of his hardrock ilk was 55+, looking for a matchstick head in a ton to strike it. That's the sort of silent clanging deafening enough to rupture eardrums. Anybody out there now, age.
schiff -- mugwump, 08:29:02 11/21/09 Sat
Contrary to the conventional wisdom, when China drops the peg, the immediate benefits will flow to the Chinese, not to Americans. Yes, prices for Chinese goods will rise in the United States - but so will prices for domestic goods. As a corollary, the Chinese will see falling prices across the board. As anyone who has ever been shopping can explain, low prices are a good thing.
In addition, credit will expand in China while it contracts here. When China abandons the peg, it will no longer need to swell its currency reserves by buying Treasuries or other dollar-denominated debt instruments. Other nations will no longer feel the pressure to keep their currencies from rising, so they too could throttle down on their onerous dollar purchases.
As demand falls for both dollars and Treasuries, prices and interest rates in the United States will rise. Rising rates will restrict the flow of credit that is currently financing government and consumer spending. This change will finally force a long overdue decline in borrowing. So, not only will Americans lose access to the consumer credit that funds their current spending, but the things they buy will also get more expensive.
Our short-term loss will be in sharp contrast to the gain felt by foreigners, who will be rewarded with falling consumer prices and a more abundant supply of investment capital. In other words, the American standard of living will fall while that of our trading partners will rise.
However, this does not mean that I want the Chinese to maintain the status quo. In the long run, the U.S. economy will benefit from the abandonment of a system that guarantees our dependency and inevitable downfall. De-pegging will force the hand of U.S. politicians toward pursuing realistic policies. The Chinese will come to their senses eventually because it is in their interest to do so. Meanwhile, the longer the peg is maintained, the more indebted we become, the more out of balance our economy grows, and the more our industrial base shrivels. In short, the longer they wait, the steeper our fall.
scary -- Raja, 08:25:26 11/21/09 Sat
This site is getting scarier each day. I feel like pissing in my pyjamas when on this site in the early morning hours.
ETFs :: do you trust 'em? -- siempre33, 06:06:27 11/21/09 Sat
Adam Hamilton...
Today GLD holds more gold bullion than the individual central banks of China, Switzerland, Japan, Russia, Europe, and India! Overcoming some controversy after its introduction, GLD has matured into the juggernaut of the gold world. Through their collective buying and selling of GLD shares, stock traders now have far more influence over daily gold price action than the world’s central banks.
James Passin: It was clear to me at the end of 2008 that we were at the beginning of a powerful and lasting recovery in commodity prices and resource stocks. I think that the structural fundamentals are in place to support further increases generally in commodity prices.
Oz Households set to feel debt squeeze .. -- Delta-au, 03:18:43 11/21/09 Sat
CHRIS ZAPPONE
November 20, 2009
Households will begin to feel the impact of more interest rate rises, after years of racking up more debt, a report shows today. The Melbourne Institute Bulletin of Economic Trends for November flagged the increased likelihood of a Reserve Bank rate rise in December as the economy's recovery gathers pace. However, the research group noted that rising household debt would become a bigger factor for Australians as interest rates rise.
"At this point in time, it is likely that interest rates will rise which means that many Australians may see an increasing share of their disposable income used to service their debts," the report said.
Household debt as a share of disposable income has been rising since the early 1990s, surging to 150 per cent. Despite the higher debt levels, the crucial factor for many Australians is the ability of households to service their monthly debt, the Melbourne Institute said. The Australian Bureau of Statistics released data this month showing the amount owing on homes had almost doubled to $150,000 from 1994 to 2008, while the median home value had doubled during the period to $400,000.
"Rising household debt in Australia is increasingly on the minds of many economists and policy makers," the report said. "While debt servicing remained about constant over the 1990s, interest payments to disposable income have risen sharply, also roughly doubling over the past ten years."
The RBA raised interest rates by in October and November to the current level of 3.5 per cent, while credit markets betting on a 63 per cent chance of a rate rise in December according to data from Credit Suisse.
Yeah, but ya gotta remember that we're talking about central banks here...the masters of fractional reserve. They'll just move their liabilities into the asset column and lend 'er out again.
That's how banking works in the cartoon. That's 'the system' the parasites are willing to spend trillions of other peoples' money on in order to save it. Zzzz.
I know what you mean, especially today when a very good suit may be made in Asia for a quarter of one made in Italy. But he mentioned that someone should do a comparison using cars and, bless this board, someone will probably post a chart on it by morning.
The suit thing was my meager attempt to fill the gap.
Banks warned to keep up their guard .. -- Delta-au, 02:39:07 11/21/09 Sat
ERIC JOHNSTON
November 21, 2009
JUST as the economy appears to be recovering, Australia's
top banking regulator has issued a blunt warning for the
banks: memento mori.
Latin for ''remember that you will die'', the term is
designed to remind those banks that have steered through
the global crisis of their own mortality.
Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA) chairman
John Laker warns that the operating environment will remain
testing for some time yet.
Writing in APRA's latest annual report, Mr Laker said a
recovery in global growth was not yet firmly established
and that the balance sheets of many major banks around the
world were still burdened by poor-quality loans.
He also warned that the trajectory of Australia's economic
rebound was uncertain.
''In such an environment, market sentiment could easily
turn sour again,'' Mr Laker said.
''[Bank] boards and management will need to be particularly
careful not to drop their guard on risk if relief at
surviving the most challenging circumstances in many
decades gives way, as it may, to excessive confidence that
their institutions are now invulnerable.
''Memento mori, the accompanying slave's reminder to
victorious Roman generals, may need a prudential
regulator's counterpart.''
WALIAC - The old suit thing -- morbius, 02:36:52 11/21/09 Sat
I hate it. Any analysis that neglects the ratio of gold to suits (and everything else in the world for sale) ain't worth a damn, IMO.
the story that just won't go away .. Scientology's dark secrets .. -- Delta-au (), 02:31:24 11/21/09 Sat
BARNEY ZWARTZ
November 20, 2009
Senator Nick Xenophon's stunning attack on the Church of Scientology this week has shone a light on a worldwide group many former members accuse of ruining their lives through fear and abuse. SCIENTOLOGISTS lured Dean Detheridge off the street using their tried and tested technique of offering a personality test. He wasn't much interested, but they were extremely skilled and persistent persuaders, and he found he couldn't say no. Seven days later he was on staff in what turned out to be a very full-time job.
Although he rose to executive director of the Canberra branch, Detheridge was always below the poverty line. He worked 15-hour days for the Church of Scientology, plus another three hours in the early morning as a cleaner to feed his family. Days off were rare. He told The Age how he learnt to lie, bully, intimidate and humiliate people and particularly to extort money in service of the church and its ostensible aim, the greatest good of the greatest number. Now he calls it ''a crock of shit''.
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Tyranny is their real goal ... destroy all the scum tyrants ... free tobacco !!! -- mozel (), 02:24:10 11/21/09 Sat
America has invented a new crime against humanity: the deliberate use of scientific fraud to wage a war of cultural genocide against its citizens. http://www.smokershistory.com/
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There's the old standard ratio of an ounce of gold to the price of a good suit. I don't know where that stands today as I bought my last suit sometime ago, But either way, what if you don't need suits or cars?
I know just what you're feeling regarding throwing off the harness. The parasites suck out your energy to where you'd rather die than let them continue riding for free.
Giving these people sustenance is feeding the monster that will eat our kids. How fucked up is that?
-- -- Winston, 01:26:14 11/21/09 Sat
add to Mikikis 00:11--
Dr. Niman also said:
"Most discussions of receptor binding domain changes use H3 numbering, but there is also H5 numbering and H1 numbering. WHO and the CDC want to get as far away from H3 numbering as possible because studies of the 1918 virus receptor binding domain used H3 numbering and D225G changed the specificity, which is why the virus targets the lung, just like 1918. Thus, all references to D225G in the NY Times has been edited out, as has cytokine storm. This is WHO and CDC warning the NY Times NOT to create panic (either directly or indirectly). Message management is a high priority, but the cat is now out of the bag (or the toothpaste is out of the tube, and getting it back in is next to impossible).
WHO and CDC spin mode will remain in high gear.
I sent the fabulous Senator a fuck off note -- mudturtle (more laws KMA), 01:22:46 11/21/09 Sat
The cost to Americans is not merely financial. Internet tobacco sales have been used by terrorist and organized crime groups to raise millions of dollars to support their illicit activities. Hezbollah is estimated to have earned $1.5 million between 1996 and 2000 through tobacco smuggling. The 9/11 Commission noted that terrorists often raise money by trafficking in counterfeit goods, such as cigarettes. We can no longer continue to let terrorist organizations exploit the weaknesses in our tobacco laws to their advantage.
The Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act will:
· Strengthen reporting requirements for interstate cigarette sellers.
· Increase the criminal penalty from a misdemeanor to a felony and create a substantial civil penalty for
violations, including violations of the reporting requirements and state tobacco tax laws.
· Grant federal and state law enforcement officials more power to investigate and prosecute violators.
· Prohibit the United States Postal Service from delivering tobacco products
The common sense approach taken in the PACT Act to combat this problem has brought together a strong coalition of supporters. The legislation has the backing of the law enforcement community, numerous public health advocates, and tobacco companies. I am encouraged by the Judiciary Committee’s vote and am optimistic that we can work together to pass this bill.
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I told his staffer that their breathless warnings of terrist bugaboo is wearing thin.
Now that the price of using offshore bank accounts to hide money -- mozel, 01:10:45 11/21/09 Sat
has risen steeply, people will turn to other alternatives. Maybe they will invent new ones. It will be more difficult than ever to invest in financial assets secretly so as to earn a return. Other forms of wealth may be the beneficiary, such as jewels, art, collectibles, and metals. These can pass from hand to hand, in some cases without the knowledge of authorities.
The invasion of Swiss banking privacy means that the costs of keeping wealth secret, private, and secure have risen. Instead of flowing into productive channels, more wealth will be locked up in ways that otherwise would not have been chosen.
Ganging up on Switzerland is ganging up on the common person who never dreamed of having a Swiss bank account and who may be thinking that tax cheats get what they deserve. It is doubtful that the average person thinks of the matter in this way. Chains meant for him are being forged before his eyes, and he does not realize it.
jU$t checked out$ide -- Gila_Bob, 01:03:47 11/21/09 Sat
Friends:
The Whirled ain't Ended Yet
Buttttttttttttttttttt
U can hear the Whining
Of the $old-0ut Bull$
All the weigh out here in GOLDen
They want their "country" Back
With N0 representation AT ALL
For those of thee "other" Per$ua$i0n
Hilari0U$
Well.................g00d luck with That
Start the Revolution Now
Lemme know when ya get past yer Fr0nt d00r
LOL
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MPAA Says Copyright-Treaty Critics Hate Hollywood -- doran (), 00:59:39 11/21/09 Sat
If you don’t back a copyright treaty being negotiated in secret, you must want to destroy Hollywood, its blockbuster movies and all the jobs they create.
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Total Collapse would be more than financial ... -- mozel, 00:59:38 11/21/09 Sat
breaking news on WHO
releasing gene sequence mutation in H1N1. If H1N1 mutates, vaccines are
supposed to be obsolete, aren't they ?
The rapidly-weaving threads of the New World Order
Consolidation of military dominance
Pentagon rapidly pursuing global dominance via space weapons http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4835966027154828456&hl=en #
This is an excellent documentary, narrated by Bruce Gagnon, with
interviews with Noam Chomsky and others. It covers the whole history of
the space program, its origin with Nazi scientists, the dangers of
plutonium in space, the latest strategies and weapons, etc.
The most important thing to keep in mind is the intent behind these
programs. They are designed to permit any target on Earth, of whatever
size, to be demolished with precision and without warning by pushing a
button on a computer in some command center. And they are designed to
enable a first-strike nuclear attack on Russia and China.
These weapons have no relevance to defense, their only purpose is attack
and domination. From a single command center armies could be wiped out,
fleets sunk, rebellious towns obliterated, unauthorized crowds sprayed
with lasers, or whatever. Push-button global tyranny. This too is part
of the New World Order.
Population reduction – all the ducks are in a row
The development of the NWO has been underway for decades, and it is with
some hesitation that I (the author, not mozel) declare now to be a special emergency, the onset
of the final endgame. I overcome this hesitation because of the overall
picture, re/ the Swine flu scam. There is a clock ticking on this
thread: either a real pandemic emerges within the next couple of months,
or the whole operation comes to nothing. I believe that too many
arrangements have been made, too many ducks lined up, for that to be the
outcome.
In addition, we must keep in mind the Shock Doctrine – which
Kissinger and others have essentially declared to be in operation –
which says it's better to go for the whole enchilada, pull out all the
stops, while everyone is off balance from financial collapse.
Among the ducks, we have global preparation for mass vaccinations, no
control over what might be in any given batch of vaccines, preparation
by media to expect a deadly pandemic, a WHO declaration of global
emergency authorizing forced vaccinations and quarantines, earlier
surveys by FEMA to locate mass burial sites, a declaration of national
emergency in the US, enabling at any time marital law, forced
relocations, shutdown of communications and travel, and the turnover of
government to Homeland Security. This level of official global emergency
preparation is unprecedented, and it is totally out of proportion to
H1N1, a very mild version of flu.
These are the reasons why I sense that the time is nigh for a mass
bio-weapons assault on populations. The conditions have been established
to enable such an assault, and the same NWO financial-mafia masters who
brought us the economic collapse, who managed the bailouts, and who
control the media, the WHO, and Washington, have made it clear that
depopulation is one of their central objectives. Here are two relevant
items from newslog:
Overview of eugenics projects, William Engdahl http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/8b79b2d9b0781498?hl=en
David Rockefeller speaks about population control (video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8&feature=related
We now know the nature of the pathogen that has been genetically
concocted for use in this bio-assault. It's a viral combination of H1N1
and parainfluenza, it's aggressive and deadly, and it very rapidly
causes hemorrhaging and total destruction of the lungs. It is not a
mutation of H1N1, rather it is a separate but related concoction. These
characteristics have been confirmed, in varying degrees, by a number of
sources:
Russian source: Doctors learned why Ukrainians dying! http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/998d1d919fed1262?hl=en
Global Research re/ Ukraine Flu Outbreak http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/a71957a429266513?hl=en
NY Times spin on Ukraine outbreak http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/33c8d55e65de04a0?hl=en
UK spin on Ukraine pathogen http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/8defbd54d6bb2c42?hl=en
WHO says it's just H1N1 http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/browse_thread/thread/9983d3bb1236\
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While parainfluenza is not normally a big deal,
in immuno-suppressed people, such as transplant patients, parainfluenza
virus infections can cause severe pneumonia, which is often fatal.
With this background information, the two-step genocide protocol becomes
rather clear:
First, suppress the immune system of the entire population with an
initial batch of vaccines.
Second, finish off the target populations with an H1N1-parainfluenza
cocktail, selectively distributed in special batches of the second round
of vaccines.
There is an important whistleblower incident, in this regard, that
everyone should be aware of:
Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist):
"Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon" http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vacci\
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The cull will be selective, because eugenics is just as important to to
these demonic overlords as is gross population reduction. That's why the
recent weapons test in the Ukraine was so important. They wanted to
confirm the lethality of the pathogen in the field, and equally
important they wanted to verify that it wouldn't spread wildly from the
test area, where the pathogen was evidently distributed by aerial
spraying. In a pathogen-based genocide project, it is important to
assure both lethality and localization.
In such a selective genocide operation, martial law, and a close-down of
all communications, are of critical importance. The zones scheduled for
genocide, and the zones scheduled for survival, must be kept insulated
from one another. There will be clean-up operations, to kill off those
who didn't succumb to the virus, and that kind of news needs to be
blocked from media and bloggers alike.
“informed consent” -- mozel (), 00:49:59 11/21/09 Sat
HOW could anyone who has NOT read the below VACCINE PACKAGE INSERTS give their “informed consent” to be VACCINATED?
IF they did READ them, HOW MANY would still CONSENT to be
VACCINATED?
CONSENT. A concurrence of wills. Empress consent is that directly given,
either viva voce or in writing.
Implied consent is that manifested by signs, actions, or facts, or by
inaction or silence, which raise a presumption that the consent has been
given. Cowen v. Paddock, 62 Hun, 622, 17 N. Y. Supp. 388.
Consent in an act of reason, accompanied with deliberation, the mind
weighing as in a balance the good or evil on each side. 1 Story, Eq. Jur. §
222 ; Plummer v. Corn., 1 Bush (Ky.) 76; Dicken v. Johnson, 7 Ga. 492;
Mactier v. Frith, 6 Wend. (N. Y.) 114, 21 Am. Dec. 262 ; People v. Studwell,
91 App. Div. 469, 86 N. Y. Supp. 967.
There is a difference between consenting and submitting. Every consent
involves a submission; but a mere submission does not necessarrily involve
consent. 9 Car. & P. 722.
BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY, 2ND EDITION, page 249
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Levin's 'Sacrifice Tax' -- mercury, 00:46:18 11/21/09 Sat
sign me up!
Those Michigan democrats have a proven record of success!
That's my bet and I see no reason to change it -- mudturtle, 00:40:37 11/21/09 Sat
wow, Earl, that's quite an admission. I am as conflicted as you are. My assumptions are a total collapse as I see no evidence that they will do anything before racing off of the brink. I get my tinfoil hat from my absolute belief that the PTB know exactly what they are doing. I blathered on that for years nut the 9/11 thing was just too much.
The talk on the glod bars with fissures is yet another red herring to prove to the hoi-polloi that if sophisticated central banks can be taken for the ride by low life counterfeiters, the average buyer of gold coin can expect the same.
Meanwhile, my gombit overseers are going to increase taxes and fees on me to cover their economy killing ideas.
doran - Blair - But,,,but....didn't he just convert to Catholic? -- morbius, 00:34:25 11/21/09 Sat
He's had his soul sandpapered. What does he have to worry about?
The_Vet - Well I donno about what silver might be in an ETF -- morbius, 00:31:47 11/21/09 Sat
But in every city in every state there are coin shops that have a clientele that tend to aggregate PMs (that Butler doesn't know about). Remember Ted Binion?
Blair -- doran, 00:29:44 11/21/09 Sat
Tony Blair looks haunted, but with new claims that he was behind torture and war lies he's got a lot to be haunted by
SLV - 9116.04 tonnes of sludge -- The_Vet, 00:27:11 11/21/09 Sat
and the premium of the stock price over the NAV was at 2.13% so the accululation is likely to continue next week.
mudturtle -- morbius, 00:26:02 11/21/09 Sat
It's only going to take someone with a lotta money and big balls. The banksters are naked with their trousers down around their knees.....
My wall of worry is taller than sing-sing. ..... mudster -- Earl, 00:25:48 11/21/09 Sat
List your feel more good options? ....... those that do not include mayhem.
From Jesse's cafe -- mudturtle, 00:19:01 11/21/09 Sat
Gold is performing an 'in your face' breakout and holding its gains into an option expiry next week which is wildly bullish. The target on the weekly is 1240ish, and one has to wonder if there will be enough of a pullback to allow the bears to cover their shorts before they are taken out on stretchers. It will take a severe correction in stocks to do it I suspect. But let's see.
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the folks on CNBS site of post close pointed out the failed slams on GCZ09 and suggest that a short squeeze is very possible. My problem is that I have been in this far longer than the newbies that are looking for yet another ramp job and I expect us to get killed. My wall of worry is taller than sing-sing.
It will never be cheaper unless one is betting on a total collapse ......... mudster -- Earl, 00:15:41 11/21/09 Sat
Now yer tawkin'. That's my bet and I see no reason to change it ...... mostly cuz the same bet is likely to cover more than one outcome.
Palin Booed By Book Tour Crowd -- doran, 00:11:58 11/21/09 Sat
The angry crowd turned on Palin as she returned to her "Going Rogue" tour bus. Video below shows people booing and shouting at the bus, and shouting "Sign our books Sarah!" as the engine revved up and Palin departed. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/20/palin-booed-by-book-tour_n_365883.html
Friday night doom from the lips of Dr. Niman -- Mikikis, 00:11:35 11/21/09 Sat
"Two Shoes Dropping:
Many had asked why the WHO was dragging its feet on Ukraine and I had said they had two major problems. One was "mutation" and the other was Tamiflu resistance and both were happening when deaths were climbing and vaccine was is short supply. Therefore, they would try to keep those two shoes from dropping for as long as possible.
Now both shoes have dropped. The D225G in Ukraine was disclosed, followed by Norway, so the "mutation" shoe has dropped, and now the clsuters of Tamiflu resistance in the UK and NC have come out, so the other shoe has dropped.
Most of the world is as lost as ever. Media hasn't yet figured out that the same "mutation" is in Ukraine and Norway (and worldwide), and they also haven't figured out that the cat was out of the bag on Tamiflu resistance.
In both cases, agencies are still trying to spin "spontaneous mutation" and lack of spread, but those dogs won't hunt.
@ SAND War ... -- MoreGold (), 00:00:56 11/21/09 Sat
Pay, My Biatches ...
High-Income Tax May Be Needed for Afghan War Cost, Levin Says
By Viola Gienger
Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said higher-income Americans should be taxed to pay for additional troops sent to Afghanistan and that NATO should provide half of the new soldiers.
An “additional income tax to the upper brackets, folks earning more than $200,000 or $250,000,” could fund more troops, Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said in an interview for Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. White House Budget Director Peter Orszag has estimated that each additional soldier in Afghanistan could cost $1 million, for a total that could reach $40 billion if 40,000 more troops are added.
That cost, Levin said, should be paid by wealthier taxpayers. “They have done incredibly well, and I think that it’s important that we pay for it if we possibly can” instead of increasing the federal debt load, the senator said.
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America is more alive today than in years, -- mozel, 23:58:35 11/20/09 Fri
even with all the unemployment morbidity. In America, these are almost always times that try men's souls.
WALIAC, 23:06 -- mudturtle, 23:58:31 11/20/09 Fri
It is so easy to have hatred for the filth that "govern" us. (read, milk and render us)
I see nothing ahead other than our sacrifice to them. Pardon me for my lost enthusiasm for working toward their goals. All that I ever read from them is a thicket of lies. It is a real drag on my productivity to sift through their lies and find some tenuous position that allows me to lose less than the great losses if I took the liars at their word.
The next wave down in housing real estate is kicking in. I posted that chart many times that shows when the sub-prime defaults tail off(now) and the Alt-A garbage kicks in.(now)
The PTB did this on purpose on a dumbed down populace of sheep. The big show of currency adjustment is yet to come.
Anyone that asks me how to invest for the near term gets my standard harangue on buying non perishable foods if they don't care to see the little lady stand in line with gangbangers for inedible surplus cheese. I ask my wife how she thinks she would do in that situation. That gets her to buy a couple of boxes of "Hamburger Helper".
Do it yourself and do not wait for the wife to come up with a never to be implemented plan. Buy some more cheap stuff to help out those that you think are worthy.
The banking system will not make it through the next year as their losses have already wiped out their capital. That goes too for the insurance companies that OD'd on the worthless paper of the securitizers. The idiots on the gold sites that harp on price inflation and gold as an antidote are too stupid to live.
Go take a look at how many ounces it takes to buy a car or a house. It will never be cheaper unless one is betting on a total collapse. I did some calculator arithmetic and found that one can buy a decent car for a pound of gold. Someone should do a price analysis of a well equipped basic car in ounces of glod. I am certain that there has never been anything like this.
A message from Senator Kohl in my spambox. -- mudturtle -- oilboiler, 23:51:55 11/20/09 Fri
Those in the lower rungs of the ladder who still smoke are rolling their own rather than be ruined by the new taxes. This is a mail order business.
This is nothing more than a measure to drive these people into further poverty, a penalty for not obeying the state.
As long as the Goldman lobbyists do not object, it will pass.
"SA gold mines dying- mineweb -- mugwump " -- johnny, 23:50:13 11/20/09 Fri
this is making me all weepy .. deep mining gold is a shitty
way to make a living .. the grade is worn out .. mugwumps
baloney has nothing to do with it.
we have lots of other metals and are changing into a better
balanced economy .. we even make armaments to kill people
.. following the lead of the USSA
hey doran, you ever noticed how those alternet articles -- mercury, 23:06:28 11/20/09 Fri
are full of lurid sensationalist anecdotes, but never seem able to compare a series of actual statistics or background data regarding subject matter?
americans oppose healthcare reform -- mugwump, 21:07 -- mudturtle, 23:05:38 11/20/09 Fri
Nah, Merkins are primed for "healthcare" reform. We need freedom from ant mandated benefits and all mandates from the goos.
What floors me is that hospitals and doctors charge nearly double for cash paying customers. When that is the case there can be no argument that this crap is not free enterprise in any case. The fascists in congreff are just trying to make this horrid situation permanent.
@ wanna open up a bank together? -- BWP, 23:02:31 11/20/09 Fri
... yeah, I want an executive bonus bigger than the revenue of France and a coupla manicurists ... otherwise, my crazy cousin Harry is lookin' fer work after they fired him for clubbin' baby seals wif an empty safety deposit box ...
Honduras regime seeks to disarm citizens ahead of polls -- doran, 22:54:29 11/20/09 Fri
The Honduran de facto regime on Friday ordered citizens to turn in their weapons in a bid to avert violence around disputed presidential elections to be held at the end of the month. http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Honduras_regime_seeks_to_disarm_cit_11202009.html
@ They will never let up on us until the last serf is dead -- BWP, 22:53:15 11/20/09 Fri
... ya want they should do the heavy liftin' themselves? ... shame on ya fer bad-mouthin' our elite ...
... gimme summa dat ol' time brewski ... -- BWP, 22:50:56 11/20/09 Fri
"To slake his thirst, each laborer on the pyramids got a daily beer allotment of 1 1/3 gallons. Everyone partied at the annual celebration of the Drunkenness of Hathor, goddess of fertility, motherhood and the Milky Way. "
... yeah, that's the way ta party, I tell ya ... and the biggest fuckin' pyramid is still bankruptin' us .... let the beer flow ...
A message from Senator Kohl in my spambox. -- mudturtle, 22:43:22 11/20/09 Fri
"Cigarette trafficking has become a highly profitable revenue source for criminal and terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, al Qaeda and Hamas. Money is often raised in the United States, then funneled back to these international terrorist groups. Cigarette smuggling is a multibillion dollar phenomenon and getting worse. To counter this trend, I introduced the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act of 2009 which recently passed the Senate Judiciary Committee. It provides law enforcement essential resources to crack down on black market tobacco ventures."
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maybe he is pissed that he doesn't get tax from Canuckian enyuns that sell butts for a quarter of the price of centgoo approved vendors.
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I have nothing but gut level hatred for any gombit function of any type. They will never let up on us until the last serf is dead and they have nothing left to parasitise.
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Now that most decent people are becoming immune to the epithets of the parasite class; calling us rascists, they now are doing the lame hole card of "supporting terrizm".
Fuck you.
@ everyone just stay home! -- BWP, 22:35:23 11/20/09 Fri
... yeah, yer gonna do it soon anyway from lack o' jobs ... then they gonna toss ya outta yer house .... may as well just take it ta the streets ....
... and we gonna pump ya up .... -- BWP, 22:32:50 11/20/09 Fri
"Kennett, Missouri (CNN) -- A woman accused of cutting in line at a Wal-Mart, shoving merchandise and assaulting police officers will plead guilty to disturbing the peace and resisting arrest, both misdemeanors."
... me, I woulda tasered her 'til her dentures popped out ... cop wimps ... put Arnie in uniform ...
How about we do something? -- Rack, 22:32:39 11/20/09 Fri
I would love to see a national strike, everyone just stay home!
Another pipe dream. Time is sure short.
... so long, it's been good ta know ya .... -- BWP, 22:23:45 11/20/09 Fri
"Small Florida bank shuttered, 124th this year- AP"
... yeah, the Bank of Ralph has gone tits up ... seems like all ya need ta open a bank inna USA is five bucks and a teller's cage ... easy come, easy go ...
And I also think it works the other way around in a rather perverse sort of way: The political mind thinks no further about any of these problems than 'not on my watch' and hence we only worsen the situation. I wish we'd get the inevitable rolling...
@ Sooner or later we gata go ta ground anyway. -- BWP, 22:19:15 11/20/09 Fri
.. me, I'm already covered in dirt ... went ta ground when the greeter at Wal-Mart asked me fer munny ....
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