- JoeB - So is the notion that there is such a thing as guilt --
morbius, 18:09:06 11/07/09 Sat
So what?
If there is such a thing as collective action (military, sports, lynch mob), why is the notion of collective guilt so ridiculous?
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- coined the term 'collective guilt' is irrelevant. - morbius -- JoeB, 18:07:18 11/07/09 Sat
I think we are discussing two different ideas. To the postmodernist, all is political (even math), and for them collective guilt is a sociological concept of morality, not one that concerns individuals or groups of individuals.
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- Practitioner: Don't confuse our work with televangelists' -- doran, 18:06:51 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-tc-nw-health-prayer-1031-110nov01,0,5502781.story
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- Nevertheless, this idea is universally held. - morbius -- JoeB, 18:03:17 11/07/09 Sat
So is the notion that there needs to be government. I do not construct my morality based on the intution of the masses, but instead on the core premise of my philosophy. The founding of the US, and the philosophy upon which it was based and justified, not only flew against the prevailing world sentiment at the time -concerning the structure of government- but went against the tide of human history.
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- Toledo consumers turning their gold into green....Or..... -- morbius (), 17:58:18 11/07/09 Sat
Indebted Toledo consumers selling the family jewels.
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- Health Reform ......Paying for prayer? -- doran, 17:56:58 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WqrXByIHhg
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- Ex-GOP Congressman walks out when taunted over lack of military service -- doran, 17:49:34 11/07/09 Sat
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/exgop-congressman-storms-confronted-healthcare/
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- Think Jim Willie may be right.... -- Iainmac, 17:43:25 11/07/09 Sat
Toledo consumers turning their gold into green
There's a gold rush of sorts going on right now, but not with pick axes and dynamite.
Instead, consumers struggling through a moribund economy are rushing to jewelry stores to cash in unmatched earrings, out-of-style necklaces, and old gaudy bling now that the price of gold has hovered near $1,100 an ounce.
"I think it's a sign of the times," explained Ali Cheaib, president of Azure Jewelers in West Toledo, "with unemployment the way it is, with jobs scarce, it's a good time to sell jewelry."
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091107/BUSINESS03/911070351/-1/BUSINESS
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- Public wants Congress to keep working on health care -- doran, 17:41:59 11/07/09 Sat
Fifty-nine percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey say lawmakers should continue working on the legislation, a rise of 6 points since August. But only a quarter say those bills should be passed pretty much as is, with a third suggesting that Congress should make major changes. The poll also indicates that one in four say lawmakers should start from scratch and 15 percent want Congress to stop all work on health care reform.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/06/cnn-poll-public-wants-congress-to-keep-working-on-health-care/
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- Most Americans back govt health insurance plan: poll -- doran (), 17:38:48 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jvs4MD6yXvC7MdsFhZc37gSzA8vA
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- Jim Willie -- Iainmac, 17:37:03 11/07/09 Sat
One week ago, gold offered a nice little discount that is no more. One must wonder if anyone inside the Untied States took advantage. My guess is more American sellers were ferreted out of the bushes, while Chinese buyers in legion showed up. One week ago, silver offered a sizeable discount that is no more. A story within the IMF India story can be told. Rumor was ripe that the Indian central bank paid for the 200 tonnes of gold offered supposedly by the IMF, not in cash, but in silver bullion. Rumor attached the question of whether India, with its huge silver reserve, had curried favor with the Boyz in New York and London. [Editor's comment: 'curried'... nice one, Jimbo. Curry is this editor's Favourite Food, Mmmm Good.] My best source of information reports that India paid not in silver at all. Little wonder that silver recovered a full 100 cents in just two days time. The opportunities to buy gold under 1100 are fast vanishing. The opportunities to buy silver under 18 are fast vanishing. The available prices paid will still look very cheap a year from now. Debate is really stupid on whether gold is caught in a bubble. The big bubble is USTreasurys, but of little recognition. With money being created from nothing to support fiat currencies on a global scale, with central banks justifying their near 0% official interest rates, with governments continuing to authorize more bank rescues and bailouts under the table, debate should be centered upon the destruction of the monetary system and global currencies. Instead, they actually raise the question of a gold bubble. What will these same quacks say when gold hits $2000 and silver hits $50? Who knows? Who cares? They are not the source of wisdom or prudence. Their voices come from the bowels of the syndicate, many of whom are being forced to fall on their own swords. May they bleed freely and die off from the planet!
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/willie/willie110609.html
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- JoeB - There is no logic to extending 'collective' guilt (for a crime) -- morbius (), 17:18:06 11/07/09 Sat
beyond those actually involved. In a case where a group cooperating in the planing and commission of a crime can be identified, 'collective guilt' does make sense. I have never been comfortable with the fact that the driver of a getaway car is held to be as guilty of murder as the 'inside man' who pulls the trigger on the teller (unless the plan included murder from the git-go). Nevertheless, this idea is universally held. The fact that some post-modernist once proposed this idea, considered it or coined the term 'collective guilt' is irrelevant. The only thing in question is the extent of guilt and mitigating factors such as coercion. Adolph Eichmann was only arranging train schedules, after all.
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- morbius -- mudturtle, 17:16:31 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/obama%20money.gif
+++++++++++
from:
And the Fed will NEVER be able to unwind the majority of the trash they have taken on their balance sheet--unless they can somehow pass it on to either Uncle Sugar (translation: the taxpayer) or foist it off on the money market funds (as they have been floating trial balloons to that effect lately).
So, at this point I have concluded that useless, barbarous, relics are not in a "bubble", but rather the fiat prices are merely reflecting the growing loss of faith in the fiat system.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/next-bubble-gold#comment-123542
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- What justification can you give at stopping at the race/location/age of the gang in question? -- JoeB, 17:02:58 11/07/09 Sat
I am not the one assigning guilt. Those who assign it, must justify their position. I am merely pointing out the consequences (taken to a conclusion, based on their logic, the finger points to them as well), the condridictions (if they advocate individualism) and that when put into practice, the morality of collective guilt aids in the political ascension of authoritarian regimes.
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- You can lock Tubby up....but you cant shut him up -- RIP, 16:59:54 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2197155
I would ask M'lord....who is now building walls?
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- latest poll- 54% oppose obamacare -- mugwump, 16:53:52 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
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- JoeB - The postmodern retort: "Its society's fault." -- morbius, 16:52:12 11/07/09 Sat
Non Sequitur.
You said: Collective guilt would blame all gangs or all blacks or the city where the gang was located or all people their age.
My question was: What justification can you give at stopping at the race/location/age of the gang in question?
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- JoeB - What about the killer himself. -- morbius, 16:46:48 11/07/09 Sat
Good point. Guilty, if he ever attempted to psychologically patch up a grunt and return him to the front lines. I don't think the killer intended to survive his escapade, so you might say he returned a verdict on himself and his involvement.
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- The 'victims' were not born into the US military -- morbius, -- JoeB, 16:46:39 11/07/09 Sat
But they are born into the local tribal political construct, no matter how small or large. One then has to ask, what immoral or unethical actions by their tribe do they accept, because they have been indoctrinated since birth, that its acceptable (normal) for the tribe to do so? This is not just a sociological phenomena of the US.
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- What justification can you give at stopping at the race/location/age of the gang in question? -- JoeB, 16:43:05 11/07/09 Sat
The postmodern retort:
"Its society's fault."
Or haven't you heard that one?
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- MIC actively engaged in the prosecution of a war of aggression? Absolutely. -- JoeB, 16:42:01 11/07/09 Sat
And you assume that everyone on that base was guilty? Based on what? What about the killer himself, who has been in the employ of the US military throughout most of the invasion and occupation?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33695256/ns/us_news-military/
He willingly received the rank of major just last year. Why not turn it down to protest? How does he get off by your standards? Because he finally went postal and killed, or attempted to kill, other members of the military?
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- Collective guilt would blame all gangs or all blacks or the city where the gang was located -- morbius, 16:38:45 11/07/09 Sat
It would not, and if it did, why not extend it to all humanity? (Reductio ad absurdum). What justification can you give at stopping at the race/location/age of the gang in question?
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- Pierre Lassonde interview -- mudturtle, 16:38:10 11/07/09 Sat
http://tinyurl.com/yzfvqts
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- Submariner... -- JoeB, 16:35:18 11/07/09 Sat
I was merely stating the consequences of morbius' position, that is not a view I hold.
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- No 'collective' guilt -- JoeB, 16:33:40 11/07/09 Sat
Collective guilt would blame all gangs or all blacks or the city where the gang was located or all people their age. It would be an assigning of guilt to even those who did not participate.
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- 99.9% of Americans are guilty by a simple extension of that thinking. - JoeB -- Submariner, 16:31:26 11/07/09 Sat
If you are an American, are you part of the 99.9% which are guilty of supporting the beast or the 0.1%?
And if you say you are part of the 0.1%, then how do you do it?
Thanks.
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- JoeB - The 'victims' were not born into the US military -- morbius, 16:31:21 11/07/09 Sat
either.
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- There is no doubt about 'collective guilt' -- morbius, 16:30:22 11/07/09 Sat
The collective guilt of a group of people cooperating in the commission of a crime is common to all legal systems (accusations of post-modernism notwithstanding). The only issue is the extent of the collective guilt. Should it extend to every member of the race? Of course not. Every member of the society? No. Every tax payer? Maybe. Every member of the military? Debatable. Every member of the MIC actively engaged in the prosecution of a war of aggression? Absolutely.
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- A black man forms a gang -- morbius -- JoeB, 16:22:56 11/07/09 Sat
A gang is not the society at large, Tyrone was not born into the gang. Tyrone's world and options have been larger than the gang.
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- will not cause the object of the label to shrink away -- JoeB, 16:21:14 11/07/09 Sat
It should for a libertarian, especially one who is well read.
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- Nope. War Crimes. -- JoeB, 16:19:55 11/07/09 Sat
In the case of this shooting by Hasan, we are not talking about people with their hands directly on the trigger (as in your example) but those with an indirect hand. How many have been serving before the invasion? Did he even attempt to separate them out when he was shooting? Somehow I doubt he was slicing the fine philosophical line you're attempting.
But even going by your own standard, you know where your tax monies are going, so you are guilty as well. If you say you aren't, then in my opinion, you are being hypocritical.
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- JoeB - A black man forms a gang -- morbius (), 16:19:00 11/07/09 Sat
Members of the gang must rape a white woman to qualify for membership. Tyrone is an employee (pending induction) of the gang. He only drives the car that is used for the abduction of the white women. Jamal is in charge of recruiting new members. Rufus shops for the duct tape and panty hose to be used in the rapes. Tawana video tapes the 'encounter' for the historical record and recruitment aid. No 'collective' guilt (among gang members) here, right?
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- Kunstlers forecast for 2009 was fairly accurate -- Jasper, 16:16:46 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.kunstler.com/Mags_Forecast2009.html
Conclusion
The big theme for 2009 economically will be contraction. The end of the cheap energy era will announce itself as the end of conventional "growth" and the shrinking back of activity, wealth, and populations. Contraction will come as a great shock to a world of conventionally programmed economists. They will toil and sweat to account for it, and they will probably be wrong. Unfortunately, this contraction will do its work in unpleasant ways, driving down standards of living, shearing away hopes and expectations for a particular life of comfort, and introducing disorder to so many of the systems we have depended on for so long. People will starve, lose their homes, lose incomes and status, and lose the security of living in peaceful societies. It will become clear that the Long Emergency is underway.
My hope for the year, at least for my own society, is that we will transition away from being a nation of complacent, distracted, over-fed clowns, to become a purposeful and responsible people willing to put their shoulders to the wheel to get some things done. My motto for the new year: "no more crybabies!"
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- JoeB - Your philosopical system needs a little work -- morbius, 16:09:49 11/07/09 Sat
The incantation "Post-modernism" will not cause the object of the label to shrink away like a vampire confronted with a crucifix. Perhaps a little transcendental mediation to suppress those jingoistic reflexes that lie just beneath your auto-putative anarchism is in order.
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- As Lt. Watada illustrated -- JoeB, 16:08:34 11/07/09 Sat
Perhaps Nidal Malik Hasan should have followed Watada's example?
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- Collective responsibility.....or does this only pertain to 'loosers'? -- RIP, 16:05:45 11/07/09 Sat
....Of course, the idea that a state, any more than a corporation, commits crimes is a fiction. Crimes always are committed only by persons. While it is quite proper to employ the fiction of responsibility of a state or corporation for the purpose of imposing a collective liability, it is quite intolerable to let such a legalism be- come the basis of personal immunity.
The Charter recognizes that one who has committed criminal acts may not take refuge in superior orders nor in the doctrine that his crimes were acts of states. These twin principles working together have heretofore resulted in immunity for practically everyone concerned in the really great crimes against peace and mankind. Those in lower ranks were protected against liability by the orders of their superiors. The superiors were protected because their orders were called acts of state. Under the Charter, no defense based on either of these doctrines can be entertained. Modern civilization puts unlimited weapons of destruction in the hands of men. It cannot tolerate so vast an area of legal irresponsibility.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Opening_address_for_the_United_States/Part_11
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- morbius -- JoeB, 16:05:05 11/07/09 Sat
Identify how? By what standard?
One can not be guilty of a crime of philosophy or expressing it morally. One can be guilty or murder when killing. Murder is a legal construct. A construct based on a moral code. So again we arrive to the central question of which moral code?
A black man rapes and kills a white woman, are all black men rapists and murders? A Jewish banker cons a customer of his savings, are all Jewish bankers con-men? An insurance company profits from its health care policies, are all insurance companies greedy capitalists? There are real world consequences to collective guilt, that go beyond how a nation's uses its military.
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- Dresden, etc. -- morbius, 15:58:59 11/07/09 Sat
I know this is not what you were angling for. You want me to say that the bombings were a punishment for not a example of collective guilt. I will say that a lot of the people on the ground were collectively guilty, but not all, and probably not most. It gets a little more complicated in the case of Nazi Germany, because if you didn't cooperate, you were killed. That's not the case here,....yet. As Lt. Watada illustrated, one can opt out of this collective crime.
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- JoeB - Willingly? LOL That what's the IRS says. -- morbius -- JoeB, 15:56:15 11/07/09 Sat
I am stating the reality of any society with a government and especially one with the state. I avoid this dilemma by advocating the end of the state. Until then, I have to deal with the reality of why things are, the way things are.
Why? Because from my viewpoint, how does one construct and then support a nation rooted in liberty? IMO, at the kernel of every society, one finds its philosophy. Next is culture. The culture of liberty, supports, defends and promotes liberty. How? Through social indoctrination via private institutions, social interaction and ethos. Why? Because that's the way all societies have functioned. If they function that way for liberty (the culture of liberty), they also functions that way for authority (the culture of authority). Invalidation of the methodology for one, invalidates it for the other. What solutions then exist for creating a culture of liberty? One that ignores the constants of private institutions, social interaction and ethos. How?
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- Here's collective guilt -- 2bro2b, 15:54:37 11/07/09 Sat
Not for the first time, I'm forced to consider far left white separatism. Clearly, white people are inherently racist and oppressive and incapable of being good neighbors. We need to be locked away from other races to protect them from the ineradicable racism that permeates every atom of our beings. No one is safe among us. Separatism is the only way to save the human race from our malevolence. Only a truly racist person would allow non-whites anywhere near us, which is why all the most powerful integrationists are whites - they're clearly filled with a murderous hate for non-whites.
--- from the web
Outta here.
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- JoeB - Collective guilt IS a reality -- morbius, 15:50:40 11/07/09 Sat
Do you deny that we could identify a collection of individuals who are responsible for the illegal and immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq? If the surviving member of an innocent family killed in this illegal invasion were to kill one of these individuals (or the Ball of Wax lot of them) would he then be guilty of the crime of post-modernism?
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- So you are okay with what happened at Dresden? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? -- morbius, 15:43:39 11/07/09 Sat
Nope. War Crimes. The bomber pilots: Guilty. Those who planned and authorized the attacks: Guilty. Those who loaded the fuel and the bombs: Guilty.
Assuming that they didn't know the bombs/bombers would be used on civilians, those involved in the design, manufacture, delivery etc. of the weapons: Not Guilty.
It is a little more difficult to forgive the latter group in the case of a clearly illegal invasion and occupation of another country.
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- Hmm, looks like Dopee and Carmack have moved off. -- ellix, 15:42:08 11/07/09 Sat
Dopee has undoubtedly never heard of floss or a tooth brush so he is busy reading up in his dyslexic fashion-- should be finished some time next week and Carmack, well, he is wishing that he kept his toothless trap shut.
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- morbius -- JoeB, 15:38:50 11/07/09 Sat
One can have a philosophy, whose epistemology is reason and can defend both if they so chose (and should if an adherent of both). Euclidean Geometry is the consequence of reasoned thinking, but that's where the similarities end. To be philosophically consistent, you are left supporting the whole ball of wax, for the ethics of postmodern philosophy (like all other philosophies) is supported by the other structures of the philosophy (metaphysics, epistemology, ideology, et al.) and its core premise. You can defend one aspect of a philosophy, but as I stated over and over, should you reject the other componants of the philosophy, you're at best inconsistent, at worse, hypocritical. So indeed, embrace and defend postmodern morality, but understand you are then saddled with its ideology (authoritarianism). If you claim you have a philosophy which shares in common the morality of postmodernism, but not its ideology, then its incumbent upon you to demonstrate how an ideology of liberty can co-exist with the collective morality of postmodernism.
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- Shale Gale; Rock’n in the Bakken -- 2bro2b, 15:37:08 11/07/09 Sat
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574507440795971268.html
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/powers/2009/1104.html
........only rock & roll and they like it's a gasgasgas.
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- oops, sorry Dopee and Carmack, -- ellix, 15:35:43 11/07/09 Sat
that link has errors...
"Because, plaque turns to tartar when it gets built up"
it is the reverse, the silly twit, masquerading as an expert.
The rest is not too bad.
In any case, Dopee, you lost your teeth because of gum disease because you never flossed-- and doubtless because your toothbrush never left its wrapper.
Just follow these easy steps and you might save your implants-- buy an oral irrigator as well such as Water-Pik.
Maybe you can get the welfare department to pick up the tab.
(are you French Canadian? That would explain your terrible grammar-- and give you an excuse)
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- JoeB - Willingly? LOL That what's the IRS says. -- morbius (), 15:32:44 11/07/09 Sat
I guess the purse snatchers ought to get with a program of periodic and recurring theft. Perhaps a letter to the victim explaining how his home will burned down if he does not mail check for 10% of his income. By your metric, all that is now necessary to make this legal (moral, too?) is to 'grandfather' the practice, so that the victim is 'born into the system'.
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- Here's collective guilt -- RIP, 15:31:11 11/07/09 Sat
...The killings of 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, by an Army psychiatrist who also was a Muslim set off a rancorous debate Friday that once again spotlighted the fear among Muslims in America that they'll be collectively found guilty for the actions of one man.
Vitriolic exchanges filled Internet sites devoted to military affairs, with some posters arguing that Muslims should be barred from the armed services.
News reporters deluged the Silver Spring, Md., mosque where the Fort Hood shooting suspect once worshipped, demanding to know what the Quran, Islam's holy book, has to say about such events. One even asked if the suspect, Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was born in Virginia and lived his whole life in the U.S., spoke with an "accent."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/78511.html
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- JoeB - Euclidean Geometry is not a philosphy which then generates a moral code or value system -- morbius, 15:24:02 11/07/09 Sat
This is true. Your conclusion (that you must accept the 'Whole Ball of Wax') is totally unsupported by the observation that geometry is different from political philosophy. You claim both are supported by reason, correct? An analogy is not an identity. There are supposed to be differences. You must demonstrate that there is a fundamental difference that could account for the fact that the selection of any axiom/theorem in case of geometry does not necessitate the acceptance of the 'Whole Ball of Wax', whereas in the case of a political/moral philosophy, it does.
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- That's pretty radical think for an avowed anarchist -- JoeB, 15:23:01 11/07/09 Sat
That's not what I am saying. Again, you are comparing apples and oranges. This particular street thief (the state) is not grabbing and running away with your purse, you are willingly handing it to him, for you do not desire to face the consequences of challenging him. There's no surprise element to either taxation or fiat money. You were born into both and you accept both implicitly and explicitly, through you're actions and/or lack of action.
Now, if you want to argue against that, based on your philosophical beliefs and the moral consequences of those beliefs, then you are basing your innocence on awareness. Your ability to see through the veil or fog. Obviously volunteers in the US armed service haven't. Yet you'd condemn them to death for not having your foresight. They in turn (or their leaders) might be willing to say the same about your lack of foresight and the consequences of it. Such lack of foresight then gives them the authority to dispose of you as they wish. So we are then faced with choosing one of two competing value systems, which depend upon collective guilt in their execution. I reject both.
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- OK movie: Section 9 -- MichaelH, 15:18:04 11/07/09 Sat
About a large space ship disabled about a mile above Johhanesburg - the aliens are in a camp below it for 2 decades. Some rough genius at work.
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- morbius -- JoeB (), 15:13:44 11/07/09 Sat
I doubt that ANY idea is original to post-modernism, and even if it were, since when do the origins of any idea have any bearing on its validity?
Not its validity, but the consequences of adopting important components of the philosophy into your moral judgement. Especially postmodern morality, which is used to justify collectivist political models and authoritarianism.
So if I select ANY theorem/axiom from Euclidean Geometry, I am stuck with 'The whole Ball of Wax'. Exactly why (anticipating your objection) is this analogy faulty?
Euclidean Geometry is not a philosophy which then generates a moral code or value system upon which a social ethos is constructed and enforced through actions relative to public and private institutions.
Once more: How far are YOU willing to go with 'Collective Amnesty'?. If the origins of this idea were shown to be Post War Germany, would that make a difference.
So you are okay with what happened at Dresden? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? That is the ulitmate execution of collective guilt.
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- Hmmmm.....So theft is not theft if The State does it -- morbius, 15:10:02 11/07/09 Sat
That's pretty radical think for an avowed anarchist.
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- that is nice that you have found common cause -- ellix, 15:07:46 11/07/09 Sat
with Carmack, Retarded One. Just to show my lack of resentment, I present you both with the following useful link:
http://searchwarp.com/swa150054.htm
Shortly you will find that people no longer cross to the other side of the street IF they see you coming.
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- Just how far do you want to go with collective innocence? -- JoeB, 15:06:51 11/07/09 Sat
I did not avoid it, I said you were comparing apples to oranges. The theft of an individual by another individual, is not comparable to the complex social structure of the dominate political institution within a society and and any random individual citizen. One is not born into theft, but one is born into a functioning society from which the very beginning indoctrination (both public and private) takes place to assure and convince the individual that the ethos of said society, is the norm. Hence, do not question authority or the structures of authority. The fact that the US armed services is staffed by volunteers, demonstrates the nearly full, if not complete, indoctrination of those volunteers.
I do not find the shooter any less culpable, just because his unhappiness with US foreign policy and its execution though the US military, runs somewhat parallel to mine. Why? For the totality of his core philosophy does not. And I wonder if he would be such a peacenik, if it was a muslim nation that played the role of the aggressor? IMO, what many here are doing is analyzing the situation through their ideology and not the core premise of their philosophy. I refuse to be that inconsistent. The enemy of my enemy, once victorious, can quickly become my enemy. Just take a look at Murtha, Pelosi and others of the authoritarian left (as an example), who once upon gaining the power of the majority, quickly dropped their (obviously faux) anti-war positions.
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- The illegal drug trade -- Jasper, 15:06:03 11/07/09 Sat
What is the matter with politicals and government not wanting to tax illegal drugs. You hear them complain that there isn't enough money collected in taxes. Are they brain dead. Shit, my neighbors must bring in 3k-5k a week. Enough money to rent a new auto every week for the trip to the big city to pick up drugs. Betch I am underestimating the profits. Taxes on 3k would be 1k a week, times a million dealers and government has some real cash to blow on award dinners for themselves.
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- Carmack -- Skinee, 14:58:34 11/07/09 Sat
Yeah...he ain't playing with a full deck.
Very short on head filling.
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- and I am sure, Carmack, that you are the exception to -- ellix, 14:53:59 11/07/09 Sat
the "all retards have bad teeth" rule.
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- JoeB - -- morbius, 14:53:37 11/07/09 Sat
I doubt that ANY idea is original to post-modernism, and even if it were, since when do the origins of any idea have any bearing on its validity?
So if I select ANY theorem/axiom from Euclidean Geometry, I am stuck with 'The whole Ball of Wax'. Exactly why (anticipating your objection) is this analogy faulty?
Once more: How far are YOU willing to go with 'Collective Amnesty'?. If the origins of this idea were shown to be Post War Germany, would that make a difference?
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- The coming assault on investor freedom -- RIP, 14:50:03 11/07/09 Sat
...More government involvement in banking and financial markets, fueled by a revival of the idea that free markets don't work and are inherently prone to failure, may strike some investors as a good thing. Won't markets be safer and produce better returns over the long run if key institutions and executives are subject to government discipline? While there's no evidence that governments will bring greater stability to financial markets, here's a sure bet: The anti-market rationale behind increased government meddling in high-level banking and financial markets will soon be expanded beyond banks, and include an assault on investors themselves.
http://www.financialpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=ec4667cb-03a3-4df7-9eed-07ed395ead75
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- uh oh, -- ellix, 14:47:49 11/07/09 Sat
sorry Carmack, I apparently hit nerves-- or at least where you used to have them before you lost your choppers.
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- - -- faloffal, 14:43:51 11/07/09 Sat
my guess,
therefore
is to see the Pandemic move from Ukraine, south into Turkey.
keeping in mind Winston's PF11 link, the definition of 'pandemic'
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- I'm guessing Skinee's implants are made out of Barrick gold -- RIP, 14:43:05 11/07/09 Sat
They are capitalist implants....even if you can't see them.
Just kidding, Skin.
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- - -- faloffal, 14:41:22 11/07/09 Sat
bioweapon flu
the introduction just prior to the end of WW2 in TimeWave, mirrored Polio/DDT.
In TimEwave it's, what? 1954/5? and the pressure is indeed building ... esp. the Middle East.
Pressure release in IndoChina over, we see that with 'Hood' today.
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- Skinee, -- Carmack, 14:40:51 11/07/09 Sat
You seem to have Exlax well under control but don't be too hard on him as he does appear to be on some serious mind debilating drugs !
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- out of the goodness of my heart, oh Green Toothed One, -- ellix, 14:39:36 11/07/09 Sat
please check here when your implants loosen up due to outstanding neglect of dental hygiene. http://www.emhart.com/products/helicoil.asp
(your sure you're young bride is not inflatable?)
(sic, etc)
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- Is labeling an argument post-modern -- JoeB, 14:36:04 11/07/09 Sat
No. Point is, I am revealing its origins. Philosophically, one can't pick and chose. If you advocate components of postmodernism, then you are stuck with the whole ball of wax and it consequences. The consequence of which, is making yourself a hypocrite. If all who support the beast are guilty, then all whole support the beast can be killed or murdered by those fighting the beast. If paying taxes and using FRN's is supporting the beast, then anyone engaging in those practices can be killed or murdered as well. Those who fight the beast on one hand, yet support it on the other, then have a duty (in being consistent) to terminate their own lives.
If you don't think you have to do that, then you are a hypocrite and you are being inconsistent to your own value system. Of course postmodernist will get around logical dilemma this using the magic word "pragmatic" and saying their moral condemnation does not apply to themselves, since they are enlightened enough to see the greater evil.
"Is post-modernism so devoid of any credibility..."
Again, I merely pointed to the fact that the particular point-of-view you were exposing had its origins in postmodern philosophy as a warning to you, not as a means to discredit postmodernism or the expression of any belief associated to postmodernism. In essence, be careful of the room you are preparing to enter, once inside, its your ground to defend.
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- Ellix -- Skinee, 14:34:45 11/07/09 Sat
Have another drink and snort
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- Hey, Green Teeth, -- ellix, 14:34:13 11/07/09 Sat
I still have almost all of mine-- (though lost a couple on the outskirts of Libby when Nor'wester caught up with me.)
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- gawd, but I have to get the low down on Dopee from -- ellix, 14:28:29 11/07/09 Sat
Caper. 10:1 you had green, mossy crowns on your implants, receding, inflamed gums-- and peed on the carpet.
(my apologies to you gentle voy denizens with weak stomachs)
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- Ellix -- Skinee, 14:25:36 11/07/09 Sat
Your so lacking in street smarts and common sense, you would make a great Canadian Liberal politician.
Cept your really not that dumb yet
Getting there though
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- Hey Ellix -- Skinee, 14:23:03 11/07/09 Sat
I just wish you had lived under the bridge with us guys years ago. I could just picture you trying to correct Squeeks language. He would have thrown your ass in the river..uh after he pissed on you. And if you would have tried that shit on me...I would have said...Heh Squeek, this dude here needs a bath.
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- - -- faloffal (), 14:21:47 11/07/09 Sat
2bro
nice find (Another/FOA) seekingalpha.com
interesting progression
gold 'important as an asset'
my ass. That gold 'went up in the air'
iow, 'asset' can mean different things to different people. What's our understanding of 'history', for instance?
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- and furthermore, -- ellix, 14:21:33 11/07/09 Sat
I sincerely believe that you thought that a tooth brush was to scratch your little, itty bitty balls and floss was an utter mystery.
Soon enough the gingivitis will loosen up your implants and you can shell out another 75k to put extensions on the screws.
(retards always have bad teeth)
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- JoeB - You didn't answer either of my questions. -- morbius (), 14:16:36 11/07/09 Sat
Am I responsible for the use that a robber makes of my stolen purse?
Just how far do you want to go with collective innocence?
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- JoeB - Let's examine your hidden premises -- morbius, 14:14:43 11/07/09 Sat
Is labeling an argument post-modern sufficient to dispel any potential consideration of its merit? Is post-modernism so devoid of any credibility that a post-modern argument (leaving aside for the moment the question of whether it has been correctly characterized) is, by that mere fact alone, invalid?
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- JoeB - Even if I DID pay federal taxes -- morbius -- JoeB, 14:13:51 11/07/09 Sat
Where does responsibility stop? If you pay into the beast (taxes and use of FRN's), then do you not facilitate the behavior of the beast? I find fault with your analogies. IMO, you are comparing apples to oranges.
Look, go have a party when members of the US armed services get killed or murdered, but don't assuage the moral relativism of your celebration by saying they had it coming, because they were part of the beast. 99.9% of Americans are guilty by a simple extension of that thinking. Just because you're a few degree always from the execution of policy, doesn't mean your hands aren't as sullied, if we use your perspective. Plan to do your part now and commit suicide?
I'm curious as to why so many here, think US citizens should be above the short coming for which all of humanity suffers? Are Americans really a superior class of human beings? I don't think so. This is a complex social dynamic that has been at work for centuries if not millenniums. The founders of this nation attempted to negate these political tendencies and social dynamics. They failed. My enemy is the state, not some buck private at the army base of your choosing.
For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. - H.L. Mencken
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- Allow me to correct you're usage of your mother tongue, -- ellix, 14:13:33 11/07/09 Sat
Retarded One: "...the post 'by' Ellix". "Of Ellix" is... ah, forget it, anyone else but you understands.
(sic, Nor'wester)
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- Carmack -- Skinee, 14:13:27 11/07/09 Sat
100 minutes of satellite air time for the internet is $100.
I usually buy that and if I need more I spring for more.
Normally all I do is stock trading but just for you I will take a minute each day and give a run down. I will be gone only a week but I know Ellix will miss me
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- Skinnee -- Carmack, 14:08:13 11/07/09 Sat
"I am heading to Columbia and the islands a week from today"
Stop in to tell us about your trip as it progresses !
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- Skinee -- RIP, 14:06:45 11/07/09 Sat
Nah....I went to the OTB and advanced bet a few races.
I'll watch them at home.
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- Rip -- Skinee, 14:05:18 11/07/09 Sat
Are you going to go to Woodbine
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- US military demographics -- RIP, 14:04:18 11/07/09 Sat
....Only half of one percent of the military accepts the label “atheist” or “agnostic.” (Jews are even scarcer, accounting for only one servicemember in three hundred; Muslims are just one in four hundred.)
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- Skinee...yep, a beautiful November day -- RIP, 14:02:44 11/07/09 Sat
And the best horse racing day of the year.
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- Rip -- Skinee, 13:58:39 11/07/09 Sat
I see you are having great weather today.
It has finally cooled down here a bit in the south.
I am heading to Columbia and the islands a week from today
and should sneak in just behind that storm in the Gulf.
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- JoeB - Even if I DID pay federal taxes -- morbius (), 13:57:39 11/07/09 Sat
am I responsible for the use that a robber makes of my stolen purse?
Not let me turn your question around for you. Just how far do you want to go with collective innocence?
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- Attention Bugs -- Skinee, 13:55:18 11/07/09 Sat
Read that post of Ellix
It is a classic in Stupidity
It is a Voy history maker
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- Allahu Akbar! -- RIP, 13:54:09 11/07/09 Sat
Jesus killed Mohammed:
The crusade for a Christian military
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488
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- Oh my, you are just too dopee; -- ellix, 13:51:28 11/07/09 Sat
do you think that the connection will be obvious, witless? Who is going to take a flu shot if there are reports of mass deaths? Ah, except you of course.
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- OK, JoeB - Then who IS guilty? -- morbius -- JoeB (), 13:51:05 11/07/09 Sat
Do you pay any federal taxes? How far are you willing to go to lay guilt, blame or responcibility?
Matter-of-fact, let's go right to the heart of the beast. Do you use FRN's?
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- OK, JoeB - Then who IS guilty? -- morbius (), 13:44:54 11/07/09 Sat
Only those that pull the trigger? In an ordinary criminal case, if a bunch of people plan, organize, finance and otherwise aid in the commission of a criminal act, they are all equally guilty whether or not they participated in the actual deed. Is this collective guilt? Is it post-modern to suggest that the person who engages the services of a paid assassin is equally guilty of any murders committed?
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- Voy -- Skinee, 13:39:00 11/07/09 Sat
The VOY nutbugs will not like that flu report.
I am still waiting for articles on all the mass deaths from taking flu shots.
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- -- -- Winston, 12:41:53 11/07/09 Sat
re: Ukraine
2% of the population has gotten ill in the space of only 10 days. Ukraine has reached 1 million cases in 10 days, while the US took 10 weeks to reach that number.
the daily increase in hospitalisation and deaths is rapidly climbing. Yesterday the increase in daily hospitalisations was 20% and today the increase is 37%, almost a doubling in day-to-day velocity. Yesterday the increase in deaths was 17% and today the increase is 42%, more than a doubling in day-to-day velocity.
http://pf11-trends-and-issues.blogspot.com/2009/11/ukraine-expected-to-surpass-1-million.html
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- stomping grounds of former Marxist -- 2bro2b (), 12:41:05 11/07/09 Sat
When Rupert Dickinson, the chief executive of one of Britain’s biggest property firms, left his BlackBerry behind in London while on a business trip to Ireland, he simply ordered one of his staff to get on a plane and deliver the device to him. For Dickinson’s then head of sustainability, Tim Nicholson, the errand was much more than an executive indulgence: it embodied the contempt with which his boss treated his deep philosophical beliefs about climate change. In a significant decision today , a judge found Nicholson’s views on the environment were so deeply held that they were entitled to the same protection as religious convictions, and ruled that an employment tribunal should hear his claim that he was sacked because of his beliefs.
In today's ruling, Mr Justice Michael Burton decided that: "A belief in man-made climate change, and the alleged resulting moral imperatives, is capable if genuinely held, of being a philosophical belief for the purpose of the 2003 Religion and Belief Regulations." Under those regulations it is unlawful to discriminate against a person on the grounds of their religious or philosophical beliefs.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/03/tim-nicholson-climate-change-belief
http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=3220
Well at any rate, opiate of the people.
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-environmentalismaseligion.html
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- Cop assaults on submit and comply "civilians". -- mudturtle, 12:33:37 11/07/09 Sat
Why The Innocent Flee From The Police
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/
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- the rise and fall of big ideas. -- JoeB, 12:22:45 11/07/09 Sat
bro,
interesting approach in monitoring the rise and fall of the big ideas. But, I wonder how it would compensate for big ideas that change their labels? In some circles, environmentalism has become the stomping grounds of former Marxist and this week on this forum we briefly debated the use and meaning of liberalism and/or liberal. So if the use of liberalism should drop, what exactly is meant by it, if the definition hasn't be agreed upon or is fluid? The same can be said for capitalism, how many different definitions exist for that word? And I'd wager the use of the word capitalism has risen since last year, given the proclamations of its demise by its opponents.
Nevertheless, quite an interesting and original essay and one that was fun to read, thanks.
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- SP500/POG -- mudturtle, 12:05:48 11/07/09 Sat
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX:$GOLD&p=W&en=&id=p77374947954
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- Mikikis -- Skinee, 11:55:28 11/07/09 Sat
I was reading were fat people are getting the flu the worse.
My mother said during the plague of 1918 it was the fat people that died the most.
America has a real problem...they consider 60 pounds overweight normal
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- JoeB -- 2bro2b, 11:53:03 11/07/09 Sat
An interesting at least partially valid way to look at the rise and fall of big ideas.
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/09/graphs-on-death-of-marxism.php
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- Read about cases a few weeks ago -- Mikikis -- Carmack, 11:33:03 11/07/09 Sat
A case was reported this week in NS where a ferret contracted H1N1 from its teenage owner ! Pet was taken to a vet where it was confirmed !
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- Post modernism + Collective Guilt -- 2bro2b, 11:30:32 11/07/09 Sat
I think the Achille's heel was no truths. Well, ok, case closed.
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- Post modernism + Collective Guilt -- 2bro2b -- JoeB, 11:22:13 11/07/09 Sat
Interesting read, thanks.
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- Read about cases a few weeks ago -- Mikikis (), 11:15:00 11/07/09 Sat
In El Salvador of people having Dengue and swine flu simultaneously. I can only imagine how uncomfortable that experience must be.
29K cases of Dengue so far in Mexico this year...up about 5% from last year. I got a really bad case of it a few years ago....of course that only gives me immunity to 1 out of the 4 strains of the virus.
Looks like this year is the 'sick' year......been talking with doctors who are already tired....will see how they look in 3 months....
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- First cases of flu arriving in these parts -- Mikikis (), 11:11:05 11/07/09 Sat
Apparently the people getting the most sick at this time, according to reports....are alcoholics and cig smokers.....I'm sure that Smythe and Mozel will have a reason why that is not true....it is a conspiracy against the smokers dammit!
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- morbius - your pic -- Mikikis, 11:09:31 11/07/09 Sat
Good shock value...learning from the media how to catch attention are ya? hehe
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- bw - protocol -- Mikikis, 11:08:13 11/07/09 Sat
Surprised you forgot elderberry, which probably works better than most of your list....you should include it (especially if you are already including cytokine producers like echinacea....).
Sambu Guard is what's I've got stocked here....Elderberry plant+flower extract (high dose) with Vit. C and Echinacea...made in Switzerland....
http://www.mysimon.com/prices/flora-dr.-dunner-sambu-guard-5.9-fl-oz-175-ml?utm_source=YPI
One board member already used an elderberry extract to treat their own swine flu...cannot remember who it was....
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- Post modernism + Collective Guilt -- 2bro2b, 10:55:52 11/07/09 Sat
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2009/11/demystifying-social-knowledge.html#tpe-action-posted-6a00d83451b33869e201287560cf56970c
Pomobabble peaked and is in decline, but not a good short. Curiously, demand is dropping faster than supply. Too early for rationality much as one yearns to long it.
Though endangered and nearly extinct demand remains anemic,
threatening that the remaining carriers will be unable to find one another for mating.
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092009/1252075516_Invasion_of_the_Body_Snatchers.gif
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- Obomba OWNS the disaster of the economy......and the danger of shittalking.... -- AZAU (), 10:39:03 11/07/09 Sat
"But since the start of the recession in December 2007, 7.3 million Americans have lost their jobs and key sectors -- construction, manufacturing and retail trade -- are still seeing significant declines.
The president has not been helped by reports of flaws in the administration's count of jobs created by the $787 billion stimulus.
Ten months into the job, Obama did not even try to lay the blame for the economy at Bush's feet, as he has in the past. His only criticism was implied.
"When we first came into office, our immediate goal was to stop the free fall that caused our economy to shrink at an alarming rate," he said. "We've succeeded in achieving that goal, as our economy grew last quarter for the first time in a year."
But Obama has already taken ownership of the economy.
Republicans, he noted wryly during a July speech in Michigan, were eager to blame him for the economy.
"That's fine," he added, "Give it to me!"
Four months later, it would be hard to give it back.
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REAL unemployment is more like 22% and climbing.
Bullshit aside.
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- Hell , b_w @ protocol -- nogtans, 10:37:30 11/07/09 Sat
do you never take a break from being healthy?
(please forward your pill swallowing schedule-should be utterly fascinating)
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- Cognitive Dissonance.......multiculturalism......etc. -- AZAU, 10:34:19 11/07/09 Sat
Not a good portent for the future of humanity on earth. Too many contradictions.
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- Plague/Viral Pneumonia Protocol -- b_w, 10:26:47 11/07/09 Sat
Self Treatment
Note we do NOT recommend you treat yourself. HOWEVER you may have little choice in a pandemic situation where medical facilities may become overrun so IMO it is a good idea to know your options.
Lets assume going to the hospital or doctor is not an option and you suspect you may have been exposed to either pneumonic plague or viral pneumonia.
Immediate Action
Colloidal Silver: Taken directly into the lungs with a nebulizer seems to be the ticket for pneumonic plague or viral pneumonia.
Vitamin A: 400,000 IU/day taken with fat
Vitamin C: 1 gram/hour
Vitamin D: 150,000 IU/day taken with fat for three to seven days if required
Garlic: One crushed clove/hour taken with fat
Iodine: 50 mg/day
Olive Leaf Extract: 1 gram/hour
Echinacea: 500 mg/hour
These amounts may seem high but I can assure they are not normally harmful. When you body is fighting for its life it will burn anything it can use to fight in vast amounts. If you are in a life and death situation I would go heavy from minute one and not play around with lesser doses. Note you must have this material on hand BEFORE you may need it.
http://www.healthyprotocols.com/2_Plague.htm
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- G20 Bullshit.............. -- AZAU, 10:23:20 11/07/09 Sat
Britain urges steps to insure financial system
Britain calls for steps on insuring global financial system, action now on climate financing
* By Jane Wardell, AP Business Writer
* On 10:01 am EST, Saturday November 7, 2009
ST. ANDREWS, Scotland (AP) -- Britain called for consideration of a global tax on financial transactions to insure against another crisis, and urged world finance officials meeting Saturday in Scotland to agree on bearing the cost of fighting climate change.
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown told finance ministers from the Group of 20 rich and developing countries it was time to consider a global financial levy, such as a tax on transactions or an insurance fee, that could support a "resolution fund" that could serve as a buffer against future bailouts.
In its last meeting as chair of the Group of 20 before South Korea takes over next year, Britain is attempting to push through discussion of issues it views as critical to future world economic growth.
Brown superseded his Treasury chief Alistair Darling to address officials directly, saying it was time to consider whether banks needed "a better economic and social contract" that reflected their responsibilities to society.
But he said Britain would not act alone in imposing any tax, and that any measures must be implemented by all major financial centers. Britain, the U.S., Germany and other countries have spent hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer money to rescue financial companies that suffered heavy losses from risky investments.
Brown's comments bolster earlier calls from former German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck for a global tax on all cross-border financial transactions.
Critics argue that measures such as the so-called Tobin tax -- a flat tax on currency transactions named after the Nobel Prize laureate James Tobin -- would just dry up world financial flows. Supporters suggest the money could be used to protect countries from spillovers of financial crises.
The money could also be used to assist poorer countries in the battle against climate change -- another issue being pushed by Britain at the gathering in the university and golfing town of St. Andrews in northeast Scotland.
Darling urged the officials to reach an agreement on bearing the cost of fighting climate change before a UN summit on global warming next month.
Darling said officials need to agree on a finance package to help poorer nations develop green industries and adapt to climate change.
"I think that it really is imperative that when we reach the end of the day, that we have shown that we have made some real progress in dealing with what is a very real and urgent problem now," Darling said. "We will do everything that we can to reach that agreement in advance of the Copenhagen meeting."
There have been disagreements about which forum was the most appropriate place to discuss funding to fight climate change.
The push to put it on the agenda here reflects concern that nations will fail to agree in Copenhagen on Dec. 6 on a successor to the Kyoto treaty limiting carbon emissions.
"It really is important ... that we as finance ministers are engaged in this, because if there isn't an agreement on finance ... then the Copenhagen agreement is going to be much much more difficult," he said. The G-20 represents around 90 percent of the world's wealth, 80 percent of world trade, and two-thirds of the world's population.
The EU has said that there should be a euro100 billion annual package of public and private finance by 2020 and has urged the U.S. to lay out its position.
But the Obama administration has been preoccupied with prickly domestic issues such as healthcare.
Danish Prime Minister Lars Loekke Rasmussen said it was now "obvious" that the December climate change talks "can't achieve the final result in terms of the new legally binding treaty which goes into all details."
But he said finance ministers held the key to a final deal, urging them to come up with concrete proposals on funding to help developing nations tackle and cope with a warming climate.
In a speech to the G-20 meeting, he called on officials to set up a global climate fund that "should be ready to work immediately." He also asked them to keep an open mind on raising funds from new areas such as a global cap-and-trade program for air and sea travel.
The climate issue has been the focus of protests around St. Andrews. A small group of protesters blocked the coastal road Friday night between the town and the nearby resort where the meeting was held by chaining themselves together. On Saturday around 200 demonstrators gathered at West Sands beach on Saturday with a group dressed as bankers sticking their heads in the sand.
There are also divisions among officials over attempts to secure future global growth.
Host country Britain, still mired in recession, is keen to continued international effort to support a still fledging recovery, while other G-20 nations, including the United States, Japan and Germany, want to debate ending measures to boost growth.
The finance ministers and central bankers are trying to find a way to make good on a pledge by world leaders at their September summit in Pittsburgh to subject their economic policies to the scrutiny of a peer review. That process would determine whether each country's efforts were "collectively consistent" with sustainable global growth.
The goal is to avoid repeating problems like huge trade deficits and credit-fueled consumption in the U.S., and massive trade surpluses and savings in China and elsewhere. China's appetite to fund U.S. debt by buying Treasuries was seen as playing a major role in fueling the U.S. housing boom and subsequent collapse.
The G-20 is comprised of Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, the United States and the rotating EU presidency.
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Transaction Tax, so they can "redistribute the funds" ?
What a joke. Fraud and more empty cookie jars.
when will they ever learn?
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- Valuing gold independent of fiat currencies -- Dabchyk, 10:00:08 11/07/09 Sat
Dabchick Gold Index figures [London trade. ( Basis : Jan 1982 = 100 )] for the past week:-
High - 198.2 Low - 195.3 Close - 196.0 for the week ending 06 Nov 2009
To see the updated charts of the index, go here
http://www.sharelynx.com/chartstemp/Dabchick.php
and click on the "Weekly Chart" and/or "Monthly Chart" links...
NB The index is a ratio of the change in the Real Value of Gold relative to what it was in January 1982. The calculation has incorporated the real value of the USD's trade-weighted index (the inflation-adjusted $TWI). This enables the index to show the real changes in gold's value since 1982, regardless of fiat currencies, by discounting the unreal price-raising effects which governments can cause to the fiat price of anything by the debasement of their fiat currencies.
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- RT’s Washington DC correspondent. -- doran, 09:58:48 11/07/09 Sat
While she often interviews those of great political clout, Alyona also enjoys giving a voice to those ignored by the mainstream media.
http://www.russiatoday.ru/About_Us/On_Air_Talent/alyona-minkovski.html
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- Hmmmm ......Ukraine official says poll may be delayed by H1N1 -- doran, 09:52:53 11/07/09 Sat
With public support at 5 percent or lower, Yushchenko is unlikely to win re-election. Tymoshenko and Viktor Yanukovich -- a former premier who was also the main loser in the Orange Revolution -- are both front-runners now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSL695938
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- Every tooth in my head is a implant- Skinee -- nogtans, 08:40:04 11/07/09 Sat
Hey Skinnyman!
earning some bucks on the sly in Springbokland?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az8zMi0ATt0
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- Democrat gets warning from White House for appearing on Fox News -- Skinee, 08:05:10 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox7-2009nov07,0,7720786.story?track=rss
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- Nuclearson -- Skinee, 08:00:08 11/07/09 Sat
Every tooth in my head is a implant, $75000. worth of them.
The nuttbugs are saying those are going to kill me also.
But they will not.
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- minsite on the imf sale -- mugwump, 07:49:00 11/07/09 Sat
The IMF wants to sell this gold as quickly as possible rather than in dribs and drabs over an extended period of time via the separate Central Bank Gold Agreement, which was extended in August this year for another five years. Led by the European Central Bank, there were 18 countries which signed up to it this time around, but like the IMF itself, this agreement seems to be moving past its sell-by date. When introduced in 1999 it played a valuable role in controlling the gold market as central banks were queuing up to get out of gold after a bear market which had lasted for the best part of 20 years. As Matthew Keen, a director of Deutsche Bank, points out in an article in the London Bullion Market Association’s publication Alchemist, they got their timing badly wrong. “The irony is that the period between 1999 and 2005, which saw more official gold sector sales than at any other time in history, also marked the start of the bull run which is still going strong.”
If India can hand over US$6.7 billion in the blink of an eye to buy 200 tonnes of gold at an effective price of US$1,045 per ounce, the big question is whether any controls are now needed in the gold market. If India does not want the second tranche, China will grab it, as gold accounts for less than two per cent of its reserves, according to published information. And if China doesn’t it’ll be Japan, or Viet Nam (another kick up the backside for the US), or Russia or Saudi Arabia. China and Russia are gold producers and may buy their own production, but this does not lessen the case. The point is that gold does not lack for buyers and India’s purchase has reminded Europe’s central bankers that they might be best advised to hang on to their gold reserves.
Interestingly, India was not considered the most likely country to buy any IMF gold when the sale started. Another central bank was in the frame and John Meyer of stockbrokers Fairfax thinks it is still interested in buying the second slice. As a result he reported on Wednesday that London Bullion Market Association delegates had become bullish on the gold price, expecting it to be US$1,181 per ounce in 12 months time. Not too difficult to make that assumption in current conditions, and they are, after all, the experts. So let’s take a look back at what they were forecasting for gold at the beginning of the year. On the other hand, let’s not - it’s too painful, and John Reade of UBS would have to hang his head in shame for his pessimistic targets.
Let us end with a game of ‘just suppose’. Just suppose that the US, after the disaster imposed on its finances by greedy bankers, is tempted to release some of its gold reserves, reckoned by the WGC to total 8,134 tonnes. There is no way it could do that without actually confirming how many tonnes of gold are held in Fort Knox. For a long time now the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee has been trying to get this information from the Fed, but to no avail. Lack of information inevitably leads to conspiracy theories and the popular one is that the US Treasury may have already sold this gold. How would it explain that, and what would such a revelation do for the price of gold? Answers on a postcard please.
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- -- -- Winston, 07:46:31 11/07/09 Sat
The UK lab that analyzes the Ukraine virus sequences is witholding their results.
Withheld Ukraine Sequences Raise Pandemic Concerns
The Mill Hill lab has acknowledged that they have at least 15 H1N1 positive samples from Ukraine, which would identify a Ukranian specific change. The delay in the announcement of sequence results raises concerns that such changes have been detected, and such changes are undergoing further analysis. http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11070901/Ukraine_Seq_NOT.html
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- Watch the mercury fumes coming off a 25 year old amalgam filling! -- Nuclearson, 07:37:57 11/07/09 Sat
Cool!
http://www.youtube.com/user/davidkennedydds#p/u/15/9ylnQ-T7oiA
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- premier deal with goldcorp -- mugwump, 07:27:50 11/07/09 Sat
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Premier-Red-Lake-Joint-cnw-1136671923.html?x=0&.v=1
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- Dope Inc -- Smythe, 07:23:48 11/07/09 Sat
One reason is the fact that the global financial system is imploding under its own cancerous weight, and Dope, Inc. is moving in to take over the entire world economy. On Jan. 28, Lyndon LaRouche warned: "This is Doomsday Time. The world's available money supply is tied largely to the attempted bailout of financial institutions, and you've got a shortage of money, of any kind of credit, building up rapidly into catastrophic levels in every other area. Now, the argument is that you have to be good to the drug pushers, because they are the only ones who are supplying the loose cash with this situation presently, in which the world money supply is collapsing and the drug supply of money is increasing."
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3608dope_inc.html
He got that correct. Can't get my head around the legalization/prohibition issue.
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- Fishberger, Fishberger, Fishberger & Fryes Full Employment Act -- 2bro2b, 07:20:33 11/07/09 Sat
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2009/11/sea_lion_numbers_fall_appetite.html
alternate plan--
Couple boxes 30-30 shells.
Cost: $40
Time elapsed: half an hour
Current plan: umpteen years of umpteen millions of helicopter lifts, fiberglass killer whales, underwater noisemakers, funding Lawyer Full Employment Act, further studying of studies of studies of studies of studies of studies of studies...
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- capital gold revenue up 27% -- mugwump, 07:15:53 11/07/09 Sat
this baby won't be under $1 for long
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Capital-Gold-Announces-a-27-prnews-707452556.html?x=0&.v=1
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- Post modernism + Collective Guilt -- JoeB, 07:12:38 11/07/09 Sat
William Grigg:
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/06/tragedy-and-farce-of-collective-guilt.html
The Attack on History
http://www.umass.edu/wsp/methodology/difficulties/attack.html
There exist plenty more websites discussing the ethics of postmodern philosophy in the context of collective guilt, should I post them as well? If you folks are going to espouse an idea, please understand its origins and the consequences of implicitly promoting the underlying philosophy. Postmodernism, as a philosophy, is the antithesis of the philosophy that (supposed) gold bugs and libertarians supposedly embrace. Postmodernism, is the philosophy of collectivists and authoritarians.
And if anyone here thinks I approve, give consent or applaud the actions of the US government in the ME (Iraq specifically), then they are devoid of both reason and any semblance of cognitive ability. They place their biased template before objective analysis. Which is the analytical modus operandi of the collectivists and authoritarians.
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- Britain Plc Bust -- Smythe, 07:08:37 11/07/09 Sat
Meanwhile, the overall debt, which stood at barely £500 billion when Brown became prime minister, is set to surge well over £1 trillion. And these are just the Treasury's most optimistic estimates.
True debt figure, as a brilliant paper for the Centre for Policy Studies by Brooks Newmark showed last month, is far, far worse and stands at more than £2trillion.
These figures are unsustainable and have to be tackled now if national bankruptcy is to be avoided. Yet, shamefully, Brown has failed to take any action to deal with this crisis. Shockingly, government officials leaked information to some newspapers last week saying that the autumn pre-budget report due to be published next month will not be a much-needed austerity package, but will include plans to spend more money.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-1225902/You-doomed-Mr-Brown-stop-dragging-too.html#comments
He will take the country down , standing on the bridge shouting "fiscal stimulus !" as he slips beneath the waves.
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- hoovering up the bezzle -- 2bro2b, 05:49:30 11/07/09 Sat
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- hiya wiffo .. -- Delta-au, 05:25:34 11/07/09 Sat
I'm just takin' a 5 minute break from a party @ home ..
good to hear yer surviving in the jungle ..
as far as I'm concerned ..
Spears is a symptom ..
you know the rest ..
Be good ..
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- @ Ukraine ... Looks Like It must Be Watched Very Closely ... -- MoreGold, 03:09:26 11/07/09 Sat
It may indicate how bad it will get elsewhere.
Ukraine’s Health Ministry on Nov. 6 said the death toll of patients with flu-related and acute respiratory illnesses (ARI) had jumped to 135, with the total number of registered cases increasing to 871, 037 over from Oct. 29.
That’s 40 more deaths and 237, 160 more cases than the Heath Ministry reported a day earlier.
While the total number of flu-related and acute respiratory illnesses is on par with previous years, the number of cases registered daily has since mid-October exceeded the epidemic threshold, leading flu specialists in Ukraine and abroad to sound the alarm bells.
Several thousand people in Ukraine die each year from acute respiratory illnesses (ARI), including flu-related ones. For the first nine months of 2009, for instance, 3, 822 people died from flu and ARI. But the spike in deaths in the last month has raised fears that the number of victims during this flu season could grow much higher.
Ihor Pokanevych, head of the WHO office in Kyiv, told Deutsche Welle on Nov. 5 that health authorities are watching to see if the seasonal strains of the flu and the swine flu will mutate into more virulent form of virus. Ukraine has become a test case of sorts.
“The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe,” Pokanevych added.
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52114/
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- flu shot victim Desiree Jennings cured.... -- siempre33 (), 02:26:50 11/07/09 Sat
of "untreatable" neurological disorder....
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/113532
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- Delta re B. Spears -- WIFFO, 02:20:54 11/07/09 Sat
she never had any class and now wants a free lunch. Can't even be bothered doing an honest show. She would well suited to a seat on the board of Bank Ali Babba.
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- Gidsek -- siempre33 (), 02:16:35 11/07/09 Sat
apparently "collateral damage" is acceptable
if the main objective is achieved....
China's money....most likely Gold....
read man!!!
all the other crap is diversionary
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- mudturtle -- WIFFO, 02:13:51 11/07/09 Sat
1. open and accountable is essntial
It is no suprise that Ron Pauls legislation to this effectis being gutted by the bums in congress, it realy makes you wonder if they are paid and bought by the banks. There must be more discussion on this vital issue, by the mainstream.
2. fixed low interest rates would remove volatility in the economy and provide certainty and great stimulus. It may even make USA a manufacturing nation again. Certainly help to get jobs back.
3. Buffet got it right the first time..." financial derivatives are weapons of mass destruction".......haven't we just witnessed that ?
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- Fort Hood -- Gidsek, 01:51:38 11/07/09 Sat
Nothing new here, nothing to get PC about ...
muslim smuslim ... people blow a chip and off a bunch of other people all the time. It's the American way, particularly in blue states since guns are more acceptable. It happens every other week so what can be learned by dissecting the offenders characteristics and attitudes? There's always particulars and details about the shooter naturally but they don't have anything to do with anything. Statistically the sicker our country gets the more people are going to lose their sanity and pull shit like this, they will be white, brown, red and yellow, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist blah blah none of that stuff makes any difference.
gidsek
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- He was "protected and served": -- morbius, 01:49:41 11/07/09 Sat
San Jose resident Joseph Ballard bleeds into the sidewalk outside a nightclub after being tased by the police, who say that his injury was the result of a "fall."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w115.html
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- brit speared .. -- Delta-au, 01:46:26 11/07/09 Sat
Angry fans have marched out of Britney Spears' debut Australian concert in front of 17,000 fans at Perth last night. "We are really big Britney fans but it was crap," one fan, Josh Blee, was quoted as saying. "I thought after the music awards she would make up for it with a wicked concert, but she has let us down," he said.
Fans complained about Spears's lip-synching and her lack of interaction with the audience.
Some felt let down that giant screens above the stage featured circus imagery rather than close-ups of the singer live in action.
The walk-outs come a day after one politician said Spears should be forced to alert fans if she intended to MIME throughout her shows. Spears will perform 14 more concerts in Australia this month, with Melbourne next on her itinerary, followed by Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.
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- Fort Hood :: the Real Story... -- siempre33, 01:09:30 11/07/09 Sat
not the one you read about or see in the MSM...
http://www.worldreports.org/news
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- Gerald Celente's latest forecast....Obamageddon -- siempre33, 01:07:27 11/07/09 Sat
and a tribute to Christopher Story for uncovering
the truth about derivatives and much, much more...
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26052431&srchtxt=Bush
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- Gila -- morbius, 00:36:17 11/07/09 Sat
I jumped the fallout shelter
I jumped a string bean
I jumped a TV dinner
I jumped a shotgun....
Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote,
He's a-runnin' for office on the ballot note.
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple,
Tellin' me he loves all kinds-a people.
(He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins)
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Actually azAU -- Gila_Bob, 00:28:55 11/07/09 Sat
Friend:
RR cAU$ed the Unemploy-mint which peaked @ 10.8% in 1982.
GOLD peaked in 1980.
He got U$ out by Increasing the National Debt from $930.21 Billion
To $2,666 Billion ($2.666 Trillion) in 8 Short Years
NEVER vetoed a Budget Bill.........Not 0ne
It was mostly white-bread Welfare.......DOD Budgets
That would be an Increase of 266% -- almost a TRIPLE.
I'm sure you were protesting vigorously.........LOL
Big Bob
(Lots of pholks here decry the Unemploy-mint Rate
When
If any of thee afflicted needed shelter on their Porch
They would sh00t Them
Cr0c0dile$ Cry Harder....)
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- Pyrite, you are so archaic. -- mudturtle, 23:48:31 11/06/09 Fri
Certificates don't have any of the fancy features that you ascribe to them, and haven't had them for decades.
The only stock cert that I have that is like that is one from EJ's iTulip.com It was always worthless, and meant to be, but it is framed and on my wall.
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- WIFFO -- mudturtle, 23:41:09 11/06/09 Fri
think that one through again. It needs some work.
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- -- crazytimes (), 23:40:50 11/06/09 Fri
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- "Isn't labeling an opinion 'post modern' a kind of ad hominem" -- johnny, 23:23:25 11/06/09 Fri
yes .. its part of joeb's bent style .. I see he feels the
iraq invasion was a flaming success. He gets tiresome imo
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- A variation on "Thanks For Sharing Your Thoughts". -- mudturtle (always write to your "representatives"), 23:20:45 11/06/09 Fri
Please be assured I will keep your thoughts in mind as the Senate considers monetary policy issues. Again, thank you for contacting me and please feel free to do so again in the future.
Sincerely,
Herb Kohl
United States Senator
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- Gila....1980 was a depression. -- AZAU, 23:19:45 11/06/09 Fri
Ronnie Ray-Gun pulled us out of that depression with Full Scale Star Wars waged on the Broke Soviet.
Now, you remember, eh?
always the war solution.
always the "spending on war" recovery.
Don't get me started, you know it as well as I. At least there was an adult for Fed Head, Paul Volcker, who ministered the needed bitter medicine of high interest Rates. Remember 800 Gold?
Hah!
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- I got two of them irradiated dimes. -- Pyrite, 23:18:02 11/06/09 Fri
I tape em on the gas tank of each car and get much better mileage.
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- The solution to vampire banksterism is simple. -- WIFFO, 23:17:26 11/06/09 Fri
legislate for open and accountable banking with strict controls and harsh penalties for non disclosure. Interest rates to be set at one percent for savings and one and a quarter percent for loans. No variable interest rates. Terms for loans to be backed by an agreed security.
Abolition of financial derivatives, with a penalty of life imprisonment for non compliance.
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- fort hood -- johnny, 23:16:13 11/06/09 Fri
in the second world war .. amercan born Japanese were
only used in europe .. never in the pacific. The army
must have been smarter and more sensitive then.
Joeb's prissy rightious comments miss the point... of
course its wrong to shoot fellow soldiers .. the question
is why did he do it and could it have been avoided.
Would the US army use Jews in an operation against
Israel ?? good luck
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- Is it a good idea to have stock certs in your possession--mudturtle -- Pyrite, 23:13:31 11/06/09 Fri
Yes. The superb engraving and majesty of the fonts may convince a really dumb guy with a carp to give it to you in exchange.
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- s0 azAU -- Gila_Bob, 23:13:13 11/06/09 Fri
Friend:
Were wee inn a Depre$$ion in 1980??????????????
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/UNRATE?rid=50&soid=22
Big Bob
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- Freddie Mac....how long can this ponzi scheme continue to pose as a "business?" -- AZAU (), 22:57:52 11/06/09 Fri
Freddie Mac's quarterly loss works out to $1.94 per share and includes $1.3 billion in dividends paid to the Treasury Department. It compares with a loss of $25.3 billion, or $19.44 per share, in the year-ago period.
____________________
Now trading at 1.23.
Why the hell not ZERO?
Beats the Sh*t out of me!
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- Great news for the stock markets -- mudturtle (bank failure Friday's deceased), 22:51:29 11/06/09 Fri
116. United Security Bank, Sparta, GA; Assets: $157 million. Loss to FDIC: $58 million (est.)
117. Home Federal Savings Bank, Detroit, Michigan; Assets: $14.9 million. Loss to FDIC: $5.4 million (est.)
118. Prosperan Bank, Oakdale, MN; Assets: $199.5 million. Loss to FDIC: $60.1 million (est.)
119. Gateway Bank of St. Louis, St. Louis, MO; Assets: $27.7 million. Loss to FDIC: $9.2 million (est.)
120. United Commercial Bank, San Francisco, CA; Assets: $11.2 billion. Loss to FDIC $1.4 billion (est.)
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The loss ratio for the FDIC from top to bottom:
37%
36.2%
30.1%
33.2%
12.5% only, and an outlier.
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The average loss ratio is 34.125% for the first four. Including the much larger bank give a simple ratio of 29.7%. If you think that financial weighting will do some good, then look at the loss ratios of some of the comparables to the last in the past two months.
Does FDIC wait until the losses breach 30% to close these things? Would the loss ratio have been below 10% if they shut them down a year ago? Or, was the loss ratio so baked into the cake that they didn't bother shutting them down because the new bank buyer of this poisonous junk would have been next on the list as the busteds?
Anyone that has a 1% CD with their bank should just walk from their unsecured loan to the bank and take cash and leave the scene. FDIC is broke and now must rely on naked binary digit creation to retain any notional value to their savings.
Is it a good idea to have stock certs in your possession if you are going to hold IAG or whatever suits your fancy?
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- consumers...i.e., borrowers, are done, all in, either broke or frightened to death... -- AZAU, 22:47:12 11/06/09 Fri
...And wouldn't you be if the govt helped the banksters screw you?
______________________________________________________
Consumer borrowing drops by $14.8 billion in September, record 8th straight decline
* By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
* On 7:38 pm EST, Friday November 6, 2009
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Consumers borrowed less for a record eighth straight month in September amid rising unemployment and tight credit conditions. Economists worry the declines in borrowing will drag on the fledgling recovery.
AP - FILE - In this March 27, 2009 file photo, the Federal Reserve Building on Constitution Avenue in Washington. ...
The Federal Reserve said Friday that borrowing fell at an annual rate of $14.8 billion in September. That's the biggest decline since July and was larger than the $10 billion drop economists expected.
Americans are borrowing less as they try to repair cracked nest eggs and replenish rainy day funds in a dismal jobs market. Many are finding it hard to get credit as banks, hit by the worst financial crisis in decades, have tightened lending standards.
Borrowing by consumers for revolving credit, including credit cards, fell at an annual rate of 13.3 percent in September, the same as August. This category has declined for a record 12 straight months.
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starve the fecking banksters out!
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- People must not be drawn in again to these monstrous banksters -- AZAU, 22:39:48 11/06/09 Fri
that have taken control of everything.
Let the whole fecking thing collapse, and everyone but the banksters will be the better for it!
Starve out the Vampires!
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- The feckhead banksters don't get it...that their days are numbered for -- AZAU, 22:37:26 11/06/09 Fri
destroying economies and lives....
Just say NO to debt!
NYET!
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- Denninger is right about the credit collapse..... -- AZAU, 22:35:36 11/06/09 Fri
"We are a credit-based system, as are all modern monetary systems. No meaningful economic recovery can or will occur until the consumer has purged his balance sheet of the inappropriate debt he has and is once again able to earn and borrow.
If we supposedly exited the recession on or before September, it sure isn't apparent in this report. You can put a fork in that line of garbage - it's done.
PS: The next update of the Z1, due out in a couple of months, should be interesting..... especially the "Ponzi Finance" indicator...."
___________________________________________
ERGO:
people are fighting back by starving out the scumsucking banksters that depend on the blood of their victims.
good on yer!
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- Depression == Unemployment over 10% ............... -- AZAU, 22:31:34 11/06/09 Fri
no further obfuscation is necessary.
all that remains to argue is "minor" depression or "great depression".
feck the ptb for trying to deceive everyone, whilst bailing out their own.
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- He attacked the enemy of Muslims everywhere - morbius -- JoeB, 21:58:30 11/06/09 Fri
There's reasons and there's excuses, in this case, there's no excuse. Its a volunteer army, you place your bets and you take your chances. Back in HS, I was in Jr. Air Force ROTC and at sixteen I knew if I signed onto the armed forces, I was signing over my life to the military. How old was this college educated Islamic shrink?
Puleease.
Also, I don't sign-on to the post modernist concept of collective guilt, do you? We know RIP does, you with him?
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- IOZ again...just for Joe -- RIP -- JoeB, 21:53:09 11/06/09 Fri
IOZ is as morally bankrupt as the people he hates. Since your his biggest ass kisser, the same applies to you.
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- Mikikis, latest Martin Armstrong -- JoeB, 21:50:44 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21767800/Is-America-On-The-Verge-Of-Another-Bank-War-Should-We-End-The-Fed-Or-Goldman-Sachs
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- Who Files for Bankruptcies? -- Forestgold, 21:44:43 11/06/09 Fri
http://paul.kedrosky.com/archives/2009/11/who_files_for_b.html
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- Vet, you have that right. -- mudturtle, 21:44:35 11/06/09 Fri
"Floating currency and regulated interest rates creates the huge swings that the Aussie dollar is regularily subjected to, and the cause is entirely due to the RBA failure to appreciate the ultimate effect of their own actions."
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A hard money system would necessarily have leveled the peaks and valleys of a fiat floater "system".
Economy wrecking "capital" flows would never change as rapidly as they do now with fiat currencies that operate on the whim of the moment.
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- financial terrizm from our betters. -- mudturtle (explains how they get away with it), 21:37:32 11/06/09 Fri
Fear turns people into sheep. Once they are sheep, they will strive mightily to justify the actions of their "leaders" - whether those leaders gave trillions of dollars in bailouts or got us into war, and even if the leaders' justifications were false.
I believe this dynamic is also playing out in the fact that many Americans assume that the government has a real plan for fixing the economy, is working as hard as it can to do so, and that - eventually - things will improve.
Just as most Americans believe "since we're at war in Iraq, and since the government previously claimed that Saddam was behind 9/11, he must have been", they are probably thinking "since the government gave trillions to the giant banks and said that economists have figure out how to fix things, they must have done what was needed, and things will turn around in a v-shape recovery".
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/investor-psychology-fear-turns-people-sheep
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- credit deflation -- Miniminer, 21:32:55 11/06/09 Fri
The trend for consumer credit looks clear to me regardless of all the new 'stimulus' schemes and bailouts.....consumer credit has now contracted for 14 straight months and todays report shows the y/y contraction rate has spiraled deeper at -7.6%
The only way the economy continues is to have credit expansion---without it, the card house crumbles.
this system is doomed!!! cut losses now!!!
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- Howcum?? -- Gila_Bob, 21:31:37 11/06/09 Fri
Friends:
$SSEC didn't CRASH 2.5% after bein' led down by $INDU on LA$T Fly-Day?????????
And how many of u Turkey$ were BUYin' on Fly-Day in the LA$T HOUR like Mois???????
Wait................Don't Answer..............
These questions are ENTIRELY off the subject Matter
Of this AUgU$t Body..............
Well...............................
Back to yer regularly scheduled Diatribe$
LOL
Big Bob
(Here's the CHART for the Who Leads What Drivel:
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU&p=D&st=2009-10-12&id=p52870173333
and
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SSEC&p=D&st=2009-10-12&id=p52870173333
and the Clincher:
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU:$SSEC&p=D&yr=3&mn=0&dy=0&id=p52870173333
Prior to this the LOW in the Ratio Range was approx. 5.75:1
U guys better H0pe the g00-r00 from Guelph
Will cover yer l0$$e$..........
M0RE L0L)
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- We're Number 37 -- moonshot, 21:28:10 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4&feature=player_embedded
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- -- -- Winston, 21:27:09 11/06/09 Fri
Reported Cases in Ukraine Double Again To 871,037
[in around 48 hours]
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11060901/Ukraine_4X.html
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- RIP @ Peak Posting -- LilDevil, 20:42:15 11/06/09 Fri
An abiotic poster ...........Snicker
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- POG has already rolled over the top in Aussie dollars.. -- The_Vet (), 20:26:56 11/06/09 Fri
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$GOLD:$XAD&p=D&yr=0&mn=3&dy=0&id=p21454154610
Of course the AUD is the subject of substantial inflows of carry trade cash which boosts the currency, stock market and other assets and that is amplified by the Reserve Bank of Australia's insistence to keep raising rates...
When the carry trade reverses (as it always does) the rush out of everything Aussie denominated and the AUD will be a short sellers dream! The problem with any country that raises rates when it isn't a basket case is that when the carry trade stops the outflow affects both the asset prices and the currency and the waterfall feeds on itself.
Initially, the inflow of "hot money" in response to higher yields, higher asset prices and an appreciating currency (offshore carry trade investors make gains in all three) completely negates the action of the RBA which raises rates "to combat inflation" because the carry trade increases the cash inflows which of course increases not decreases inflationary pressures.
For a small, politically stable economy, interest rate interference by the central bank is entirely ineffective and in fact is contraindicated. If they let the currency float (which is already the case) and allowed the interest rate to be set by the market as well the local economy would be far more stable. Floating currency and regulated interest rates creates the huge swings that the Aussie dollar is regularily subjected to, and the cause is entirely due to the RBA failure to appreciate the ultimate effect of their own actions.
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- Does this sound like peak oil? -- RIP, 20:19:21 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/in-texas-oil-sands-firms-fight-for-their-share/article1354643/
Sounds more like peak panic.
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- think I will start hoarding them... -- mudturtle, 20:07:37 11/06/09 Fri
LOL
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- actually .. -- Delta-au (), 20:03:08 11/06/09 Fri
rip lip-syncs too ..
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- @ round and round -- RIP, 19:57:04 11/06/09 Fri
You're the guy with the NASA gravitational mass
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- Irradiated Dimes - (1950s, 1960s) . -- Nuclearson, 19:56:28 11/06/09 Fri
During the 1950s, the Oak Ridge Graphite Reactor was the world’s single largest source of radionuclides, and the availability of these radionuclides revolutionized the field of medicine and many branches of science. The impact was no less great in the industrial sector. Radionuclides were produced in several ways, but neutron activation was perhaps the most important. The purpose of the dime irradiator at the American Museum of Atomic Energy, located in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, was to provide a dramatic demonstration of the principle of neutron activation. Today, the museum is known as the American Museum of Science and Energy.
At the time that the dime irradiator was in operation, the Museum was managed by the Oak Ridge Institute for Nuclear Studies (ORINS). ORINS is now Oak Ridge Associated Universities (ORAU).
In the late 1940s and/or early 1950s, dimes were also irradiated at Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) and encased in a similar fashion (see photo to right). While I don't have any details about how the irradiation was performed at ORNL, we do have the following description in what I believe is a 1954 press release from the American Museum of Atomic Energy:
"One of the most popular exhibits in the American Museum of Atomic Energy is a "dime irradiator." To date, more than 250,000 dimes have been irradiated, encased in plastic and returned to their owners as souvenirs. The irradiator works as follows: A mixture of radioactive antimony and beryllium is enclosed in a lead container. Gamma rays from the antimony are absorbed by the beryllium atoms and a neutron is expelled by the beryllium atom in the process.
These neutrons, having no electrical charge, penetrate silver atoms in the dime. Instead of remaining normal silver-109, they become radioactive silver-110. After irradiation, the dime is dropped out through a slot in the lead container and rests momentarily before a Geiger tube so that its radioactivity may be demonstrated. It is then encased in the souvenir container. Radioactive silver, with a half-life of 22 seconds, decays rapidly to cadmium-110 (In 22 seconds, half of the radioactivity in each dime is gone, in another 22 seconds half the remainder goes, and so on until all the silver-110 has become cadmium). Only an exceedingly minute fraction of the silver atoms have been made radioactive."
The irradiated dimes were 90% silver and 10% copper. The silver consisted of equal amounts of Ag-107 and Ag-109. The absorption of the neutrons by the silver converted some of the Ag-107 to Ag-108m (400+ year half-life) and Ag-108 (2.39 min half life). Similarly, a few atoms of the Ag-109 were converted to Ag-110m (250 d half-life) and Ag-110 (25 s half-life). The bulk of the activity that was produced was due to the Ag-110 and, to a lesser extent, the Ag-108. Both of these radionuclides decayed away very quickly, within minutes. By the time the visitor was leaving the Museum, there was almost nothing left. The only activity that might be detected today would be due to trace quantities of Ag-108m, but it would require long counts and relatively sophisticated equipment. I could not detect any in the three coins in the collection.
I just bought one at an antique shop
think I will start hoarding them...
http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/medalsmementoes/dimes.htm
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- - -- faloffal, 19:47:17 11/06/09 Fri
Renko Chart Symmetry
a cool indicator!
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- RIP, 19:43:21 11/06/09 Fri Does Uranus have a moon? -- LilDevil, 19:45:58 11/06/09 Fri
Ya its called RIP, round and round it goes..........Hahahaha
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- I see Devil swallows anything...per usual -- RIP, 19:43:21 11/06/09 Fri
Does Uranus have a moon?
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- Cassini's Flyby of Saturn’s moon Enceladus -- LilDevil (), 19:38:04 11/06/09 Fri
Successful Flight Through Enceladus Plume
The Cassini spacecraft has weathered the Monday, Nov. 2, 2009, flyby of Saturn’s moon Enceladus in good health and has been sending images and data of the encounter back to Earth. Cassini had approached Enceladus more closely before, but this passage took the spacecraft on its deepest plunge yet through the heart of the plume shooting out from the south polar region. Scientists are eagerly sifting through the results.
In this unprocessed image, sunlight brightens a crescent curve along the edge of Saturn's moon Enceladus and highlights its misty plume. The image was captured by Cassini's narrow-angle camera as the spacecraft passed about 190,000 kilometers (120,000 miles) over the moon....
...At its closest point on Nov. 2, Cassini flew about 100 kilometers (60 miles) above the surface of Enceladus.
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1510.html
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/399365main_enceladus_full_full.jpg
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- - -- faloffal, 19:38:00 11/06/09 Fri
drooy
low 6.14
nice, nice, nice
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- - -- faloffal, 19:37:07 11/06/09 Fri
Pneumonic
ok, now we're getting somewhere. If anyone smokes tobacco, I suggest you refrain... I'm surrounded by smokers and MY guess is this flu will take 'em out first...
fwiw
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- RIP - I don't know what you are talking about. We GATA a lot of 'change' -- morbius, 19:35:22 11/06/09 Fri
as the GM bond holders found out - that the specifics of their contracts could change in an instant - kinda like the constitution as a 'living document'. Now we got 'living contracts'. Sure sounds like a place where I'd love to start a business, or in whose safekeeping I would trust my wealth.
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- morbius......wanna see some honesty in advertising? -- RIP, 19:32:47 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/06/and-my-wifes-boyfriend-broke-my-jaw-with-a-fence-post/
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- How about a Gummint Motors Muscle Car Enlistment bonus -- morbius, 19:28:47 11/06/09 Fri
with a deed to a Fannie Mae repo when (if) you are ever released from the 'service'?
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- @ Goldman and Obbie -- RIP, 19:28:11 11/06/09 Fri
No president has had more ammo to make a statement about GS and the other bailout turds.
As far as I can see....he is a total sellout.
Change!
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- RIP - You know, on eBay if you buy an OEM copy of Windows -- morbius, 19:24:56 11/06/09 Fri
the seller (as per agreement with Microsoft) has to send you a piece of hardware - a broken disk drive, an old memory chip - just about anything. They could redo 'cash for clunkers', only this time you only GATA trade in a car PART....an old horn, a dead battery....and they could raise the rebate to $15,000 or $20,000. Think the horse would drink?
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- morbius @ O Card -- RIP, 19:23:35 11/06/09 Fri
Oprah will give away more stuff than Goldman Obama.
Bet on it.
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- RIP - Sure you can. I'm waiting for my ObamaCard (more likely the ObamaChip).... -- morbius, 19:19:49 11/06/09 Fri
Free Obamabucks for my mortgage, utility bills, car payments, groceries......
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- Did I mention there was no money? -- RIP, 19:17:15 11/06/09 Fri
Yet POG is rising.
Think about it.
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- Oil Shipping .. -- Delta-au, 19:16:17 11/06/09 Fri
This Week .. sluggish MEG demand has seen increasing spare
VLCC tonnage .. despite some tonnage re-positioning to the
Atlantic, which has higher DHR's at the moment ..
Prior Week was good / firm demand ..
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- Consumer credit beats the street...... to the downside. -- RIP, 19:12:19 11/06/09 Fri
otal consumer credit has dropped for the 8th straight month as consumers refuse to buy stocks while maxing out their credit cards, contrary to what GE, Bernstein and Bernanke want them to do. 4 more months and the US consumer will have given the administration the reflation finger for one straight year. Excess reserves to hit $2 trillion shortly.
Total credit came in at $2.456 trillion, consisting of $889 billion ($10 billion lower than August) and $1,5667billion ($5 billion lower than August). The later category is primarily related to auto purchases thus so much for the Cash for Clunkers attempt at releveraging.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/september-consumer-credit-lower-148-billion-worse-10-billion-estimate-consumers-refuse-borro
You can lead a horse to water....but you can't inflate him.
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- Obomba..........unemployment record...... -- AZAU, 18:56:50 11/06/09 Fri
"The need for such a measure was made clear by the jobs report that we received this morning," Obama said, citing Friday's government report the jobless rate hit 10.2 percent last month, the highest since 1983.
He called it a "sobering number that underscores the economic challenges that lie ahead" and vowed that "I will not rest until all Americans who want work can find work."
...........upon which he left for the golf course.
feck the little people
hahahahahahahahahaha!
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- WileE - Chris Story -- Mikikis (), 18:42:56 11/06/09 Fri
While I cannot say that the story is completely full of sh_t....Mr. Story does have a pretty severe credibility problem historically.
Maybe he got the story fed to him by Jim Willie's Kremlin source? Hehe
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- ft. hood - -- WileE -- Earl, 18:39:00 11/06/09 Fri
Your moving into mozel's territory .... the woo-woo domain.
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- If you attempt to breed idiots -- RIP, 18:36:06 11/06/09 Fri
....eventually you will breed a genius.
Genetics and will don't mix well together.
They need to work on it.
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- Boobus likes and demands easy credit ..... Morbs -- Earl, 18:34:59 11/06/09 Fri
Yes he does ......... he likes socialism a lot too and will accept the chip up his bum for a free flu shot.
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- ft. hood - -- WileE, 18:32:38 11/06/09 Fri
check this. from chris story:
http://www.worldreports.org/news/244_fort_hood_recovery_of_the_chinese_currency_boxes
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- JoeB - I donno....He didn't ride into Kileen to off the lunch crowd at McDonald's -- morbius (), 18:30:27 11/06/09 Fri
He attacked the enemy of Muslims everywhere (everywhere that there are natural resources to be expropriated, anyway. As they said in The Godfather "It's not personal. It's just business").
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- IOZ again...just for Joe -- RIP, 18:28:27 11/06/09 Fri
Apparently there was violence on a military base. Well, my world is turned upside down. Maybe the major just confused the medical center with a wedding party.
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- JoeB - Armstrong -- Mikikis, 18:27:56 11/06/09 Fri
Can you give me link to it pls?
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- We've been fucking them over for at least 50 years... -- JoeB, 18:25:49 11/06/09 Fri
There's reasons for one's behavior and then there's excuses. There's no excuses for what happened on that military base. His behavior is inexcusable.
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- forthecraic -- Mikikis (), 18:25:18 11/06/09 Fri
Not goat...try camel....go look again....
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- It takes two participants to turn credit into cash -- RIP, 18:24:03 11/06/09 Fri
....otherwise you get a 30% credit card charge.
See the divergence in rates?
Understand what that means?
The market is desperately seeking a bubble.
But there are none.
Your own bank is telling you as much.
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- that the desire of certain individuals will always be to cheat it -- JoeB, 18:22:57 11/06/09 Fri
Read the latest Martin Armstrong and you'll conclude just that. Gold itself is not the single answer, I'm more the advocate of free banking. But I'd wager Mr. Armstrong would take issue with that and the absence of a central bank.
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- @ Boobus likes and demands easy credit. -- RIP, 18:15:52 11/06/09 Fri
Gee....do you ever wonder how prices got so high....and now, they can no longer maintain them?
It's called 'no feckin' money'
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- Mikikis - Don't discount the fact that -- morbius, 18:11:53 11/06/09 Fri
Boobus likes and demands easy credit. There are two sides to the Fiat bargain.
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- JoeB -- Mikikis, 18:07:56 11/06/09 Fri
I was really trying to stay on the idea of fiat and gold.....honest money....we can fall into a huge philosophical discussion here....my comments were really about whether human nature could ever maintain an honest money system for very long considering that the desire of certain individuals will always be to cheat it and potentially change it into something more corrupt....
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- Yeah...and Goldman's tribal allegiance is to jews. -- RIP (), 18:06:33 11/06/09 Fri
Yer point???
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- It won't end till the guillotine arrives -- Earl, 18:05:04 11/06/09 Fri
Civil War In Corporate America: Banks Battling The Chamber On Accounting Rules
Amid the ongoing financial regulation overhaul, the banking industry is hoping to pull off a quiet power grab that has eluded its grasp since the Great Depression, by stripping the independence of the board that sets financial accounting standards.
The move could effectively let banks set their own accounting standards in rough economic times.
Astonishingly, at a time when the public is crying out for greater regulation to limit excessive risk-taking by financial institutions, the banks are trying to get Congress to agree that the next time there's a big downturn, they should have the ability to alter their accounting standards -- essentially, fudge the numbers -- so that the public and investors won't be able to tell how insolvent they really are. By ignoring their declining asset values, they can avoid the standard requirement of raising more capital.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/civil-war-in-corporate-am_n_347704.html&cp
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/civil-war-in-corporate-am_n_347704.html&cp
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- Yer listening to the wrong news sources -- JoeB, 18:02:28 11/06/09 Fri
No, I haven't given the story that mush of my time and the original report stated he was a convert. So he isn't, the point still stands his tribal alligence was to Islam.
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- JoeB - Muslims -- morbius, 18:01:53 11/06/09 Fri
We've been fucking them over for at least 50 years, and we are surprised when some take offense? At least in WWII they were smart enough to send German-Americans and Italian-Americans to the Pacific and Japanese-Americans to Europe (or the Camps).
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- Since when does a Jordanian become a 'convert' to Islam? -- RIP, 18:01:19 11/06/09 Fri
Yer listening to the wrong news sources.
As if anything else is new.
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- Goat Grab -- forthecraic, 18:00:05 11/06/09 Fri
Been to many of those. Quite good.Especially with some Sedeki
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- and go defend US ideals in Afghanistan. -- JoeB, 17:58:30 11/06/09 Fri
Unlike the board's "doctrinaire libertarian" I don't define a nation as its government (taht's called collective guilt), so there's no US ideals in Afghanistan to defend. There's only the geopolitical goals of the US government and I have never made an explicit or implicit defense of the state, though I imagine that the intellect of some people are limited enough to conclude that I have.
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- NET.V did over 4 million shares -- siempre33 (), 17:56:26 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.stockwatch.com/oldsite/oldsite_quote.aspx?symbol=NET®ion=C
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- Where is the political correctness? -- RIP, -- JoeB, 17:53:52 11/06/09 Fri
He was a convert to Islam. It appears that part (or maybe all) of his motivation laid in the fact he was more a tribal member of Islam, than he was of the US armed forces. Islam, is where he found his primary allegiance. In no time flat, the PC crowd went on the attack for anyone who would make that an issue. Look at doran's earlier post about the Orlando shooter being a christian, why is that important in a majority christian nation? Oh, that's right, to counter the argument about dangerous muslims. Pul-ease, don't be coy.
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- Tell ya what, asshole -- RIP, 17:50:48 11/06/09 Fri
Put down the paintbrush....and go defend US ideals in Afghanistan.
You might wanna figure em out first.
Otherwise STFU
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- to stand guard and enforce -- JoeB, 17:49:35 11/06/09 Fri
The majority are ready and waiting to enforce their morality (which they see as being good) on others or hiring someone to do it for them. The problem lies in defining what is and isn't "good." Do you think the Nazi's thought they were evil or that they were doing a social good?
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- the best save! -- siempre33, 17:49:22 11/06/09 Fri
I just found this incredible photo....for hockey fans..
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26078616
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- Where is the political correctness? -- RIP, 17:47:28 11/06/09 Fri
Guns cannot be an issue...it was a military base.
Nationality cannot be an issue.....the shooter was born in the US.
There is nothing at all partisan here.
The simple question is why?
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- JoeB -- Mikikis, 17:42:56 11/06/09 Fri
I think the key is the number of people willing to stand guard and enforce that "minimizing"......because the bad stuff comes out all on its own....
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- I see the reticence to discuss the shooting. -- JoeB, 17:42:53 11/06/09 Fri
the topic is laced with political correctness, so what purpose is served in being blackened up with that tar baby? And of course we know your agenda on the topic and that's to come swooping down from your high horse to proclaim the dead had it coming and Americans are the embodiment of evil. Go get your jollies elsewhere.
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- Hey Philbond -- Mikikis (), 17:40:39 11/06/09 Fri
Found a pic online that I bet would make your mouth water....couldn't resist sharing it.....says 'picnic' all over it.....bet BWP even would dig in if you threw some hummus on top....
(yes...it is exactly what it looks like for those who haven't figured it out)
...I do of course expect that your reply will be equally as creative.....
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- Great stuff APOLLO -- RIP (), 17:38:56 11/06/09 Fri
Can I see you, and raise you a Gacey?
'Warped' will always be with us.
But the determination to make people more warped....is a whole 'nother question.
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- Fiat versus gold (a rant) -- Mikikis -- JoeB, 17:37:45 11/06/09 Fri
We'll never be able to eradicate evil or corruption. The best you can hope for is to minimize the effects by those among us who do wrong and maximize the incentive for everyone else to do good.
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- RIP -- Mikikis (), 17:35:55 11/06/09 Fri
Where in the world are people fed something other than lies by their leaders?
Hardly seems exclusive to Gringolandia.
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- @ Hood shooting -- RIP, 17:34:06 11/06/09 Fri
People here will tell you how inflation is rampant, the dollar is worthless....and whatever.
But...they will never ever tell you how the internal morals of being fed a lie too long are crumbling.
I see the reticence to discuss the shooting.
US exceptionalism rules.....for now.
Carry on.
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- Nuke & RIP - here's a jolly old CND soul - he's probably out on Parole - aye -- APOLLO, 17:31:26 11/06/09 Fri
Robert Pickton was Arrested in 2002 in Vancouver British Columbia, after RCMP served a search warrant at his pig farm for illegal firearms but the investigators found more than they bargained for when they stumbled across human remains in one of the slaughter houses on the farm. In early 2002 police laid their first murder charged on Pickton which eventually lead to the property being excavated and being known as one of Canada’s largest crime scene. Robert Pickton has been accused of killing over 50 prostitutes but he only claims he killed 49 because he got caught before he got the chance to do his fiftieth victim. He killed his victims, dismembered them, then gutted them and fed the remains to his pigs from 1983 to 2002 when police finally caught him.
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- Romanov - CALVF -- Mikikis, 17:29:07 11/06/09 Fri
Wish I had kept a log of the times which you speak about CALVF being up lots.....would love to calculate the cumulative gain of all those times (must be in the thousands of percent by now)....yet the stock still trades at 7c.....
I suspect that part of the story isn't being reported by your posts....just a suspicion of course....
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- Fiat versus gold (a rant) -- Mikikis (), 17:27:09 11/06/09 Fri
The struggle of honesty versus corruption and greed. Does anybody here really think that we can harness and control the drive of a few powerful individuals to attempt to screw all their neighbours in any society in any part of the world? In the history of humanity I'm not sure that we have ever achieved this...doesn't mean that it cannot be done, but that nasty part seems to never go away....
Goldbug idealism.....it is like the hope that politicians can one day be sincere and serving the best interests of their citizens. That's one thing I like about Mexico - here folks don't entertain thoughts of politicians being anything other than what they have been for centuries...lying, thieving crooks. No illusions about it. We have a long uphill climb to that place of a better world, best to bring lots of extra food and water......and protection.....and throw in a miracle...because it will be necessary.....
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- Healthcare provision seeks to embrace prayer treatments -- doran (), 17:25:50 11/06/09 Fri
A little-noticed measure would put Christian Science healing sessions on the same footing as clinical medicine. Critics say it violates the separation of church and state.
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-health-religion3-2009nov03,0,2239900.story
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- Calvf +16.67% -- Romanov -- Kitcotodd, -- Romanov, 17:25:35 11/06/09 Fri
Sneaking the stock up on low volume so noone notices.
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- Medicare -- doran, 17:19:29 11/06/09 Fri
If you are a Medicare recipient and you need custodial care for non-medical reasons, you're on your own. But if you are a Christian Scientist, the Medicare Act authorizes payment for your housing in a government-defined "religious non-medical health care facility." This is code for a Christian Science nursing home, the only type of facility to ever lay claim to Medicaid dollars as a "non-medical health care facility." These are places where the "non-medical health care" that is offered is prayer. The so-called nurses there will not take a pulse or a temperature, nor call for a doctor. But, they will call for a practitioner to pray. In fact, they require that residents retain a fee-for-service Christian Science prayer provider. The Sanatoria bill the government to the tune of 8-10 million dollars a year. Despite protests and lawsuits by healthcare advocates and taxpayers, such strange bedfellows as Orin Hatch and Ted Kennedy have steadfastly promoted this federal subsidy of a religious practice.
http://www.nospank.net/asser.htm
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- How about that 13 year old girl who was raped -- APOLLO -- Nuclearson -- RIP, 17:19:24 11/06/09 Fri
Shhhhh!
We're the good guys.
Folks here hate it when you point out flaws.
They might call you 'un-American'
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- APOLLO -- RIP, 17:14:22 11/06/09 Fri
I suggest you visit Somalia...and try to talk some sense into them.
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- SPX influence on Gold Stocks -- AU_NB, 17:13:59 11/06/09 Fri
[What has been know here...but in picture form]
"Before we dive into the particulars of the SPX’s outsized influence on the PM stocks, it is crucial to keep the strategic context in mind. Since its early-March despair-driven low, the SPX has entered a new cyclical bull market. Mid-upleg pullbacks to rebalance sentiment are natural and healthy within all bulls, no matter how powerful. But today with traders still on edge thanks to the panic, the SPX’s pullbacks poison sentiment universally. When this SPX bull wavers, even unrelated markets get nervous."
**
" The bottom line is since the panic, gold is no longer the sole important driver of PM stocks. The fortunes of the general stock markets, particularly when pullbacks spark fear, have become nearly as important as gold. While SPX action is meaningless fundamentally for gold stocks, it still really influences universal sentiment. Falling general stocks frighten PM-stock traders who in turn start dumping their PM stocks."
http://www.zealllc.com/2009/huispx.htm
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- How about that 13 year old girl who was raped -- APOLLO -- Nuclearson, 17:13:18 11/06/09 Fri
there was a trial around here a few months ago where an amerkan soldier had raped a 14 year old iragi and then wiped out her whole family for kicks...
what kinda religion was he practicing?
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- Dark Lord of Fiat -- Mikikis, 17:13:03 11/06/09 Fri
I'm on his trail....found his suit online...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hornbuckle/514924777/
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- Mikikis - got it - thanks -- APOLLO, 17:10:38 11/06/09 Fri
have a good weekend.
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- Adultery in Judaism -- doran, 17:08:34 11/06/09 Fri
Rabbinic Judaism
Though the Torah prescribes the death penalty by stoning for adultery, the legal procedural requirements were very exacting and required the testimony of two witnesses of good character for conviction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery
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- GGN NAV -- Pyrite, 17:08:01 11/06/09 Fri
back to about even after a significant PREMIUM.
http://www.cefconnect.com/Details/Summary.aspx?ticker=GGN
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- Apollo - my 14:36 post -- Mikikis, 17:07:03 11/06/09 Fri
Guess I shouldn't have posted during market hours. Had nothing to do with Obamacare....was just a story that I found genuinely touching and shared. Being the father of a child exactly that age it really hit home.
Regarding Obamacare...not being from the U.S. I have to admit that I haven't been paying much attention to the entire thing, and know little of the details other than that it is a medical package (system?) being promoted by the Obama camp. Couldn't tell you what I think of it because I don't even know what it is really in detail. I'll leave that stuff to you U.S. folks to figure out....
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- The one group in Afghanistan I have zero respect for....are the Brits -- RIP (), 17:05:19 11/06/09 Fri
How many times do you need your ass handed to you?
Do you think the US and NATO will make this time different?
Geordie is the biggest ass on the face of this planet.
He almost makes Tony look good.
And that's saying something.
BTW....the Canucks are headed outta the dump in 2011.
Too many years too long.
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- How about that 13 year old girl who was raped -- APOLLO, 17:01:32 11/06/09 Fri
naw, these guys aren't violent - just want to practice their religion
Somali adulterer stoned to death
Islamists in southern Somalia have stoned a man to death for adultery but spared his pregnant girlfriend until she gives birth.
Abas Hussein Abdirahman, 33, was killed in front of a crowd of some 300 people in the port town of Merka.
An official from the al-Shabab group said the woman would be killed after she has had her baby.
This is the third time Islamists have stoned a person to death for adultery in the past year.
Al-Shabab official Sheikh Suldan Aala Mohamed said Mr Abdirahman had confessed to adultery before an Islamic court.
"He was screaming and blood was pouring from his head during the stoning. After seven minutes he stopped moving," an eyewitness told the BBC.
The BBC's Mohammed Olad Hassan in Mogadishu says that if the woman is also killed, her baby would be given to relatives to look after.
Last month, two men were stoned to death in the same town after being accused of spying.
A 13-year-old girl was stoned to death for adultery in the southern town of Kismayo last year.
Human rights groups said she had been raped.
Another man has also been punished in this way in the Lower Shabelle region.
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- Dude was apparently born in Virginia....39 years ago -- RIP, 16:54:36 11/06/09 Fri
Why he cracked?
Your call.
Just keep pressing....and you will see how many are like him.
You aren't defending shit.
You are causing mayhem and grief.
These guys know.
Up to you.....Obama.
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- Adultery and the Bible -- doran, 16:54:27 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.bible.ca/s-adultery.htm
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- Somali adulterer stoned to death -- doran, 16:53:50 11/06/09 Fri
Islamists in southern Somalia have stoned a man to death for adultery but spared his pregnant girlfriend until she gives birth.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8347216.stm
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- There is a need to wrap your warped head around something. -- RIP, 16:48:18 11/06/09 Fri
Latch on to what makes you feel better.
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- Political correctness is alive... -- JoeB, 16:47:54 11/06/09 Fri
even among some gold bugs (or so they claim).
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- Much easier when the killer is a Muslim -- RIP, 16:42:32 11/06/09 Fri
Even if he was a psychiatrist.
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- UK Islamist Leader: We Will force Queen to Wear Burka When Islamic Law Rules over UK -- doran, 16:41:56 11/06/09 Fri
http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/11/01/uk-islamist-leader-we-will-force-queen-to-wear-burka-when-islamic-law-rules-over-uk/
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- -- -- Winston, 16:41:38 11/06/09 Fri
The Party is Only Starting
Mike Larson
Money and Markets
Now, the Fed is doing the same thing again, but on an even grander scale. It’s inflating virtually every asset under the sun — junk bonds, corporate bonds, gold, commodities, stocks, you name it. And rather than proactively taking steps to control the markets … before they get OUT of control … they just told the market this week to let the good times roll!
Regulators, Congress looked the other way while Fannie, Freddie, and mega-banks drove themselves off a cliff!
It’s not just Fed policymakers. It’s the banking regulators and Congress, too!
I been saying you should forget the empty talk you’re hearing about tighter policy? Because action is what counts. And it is abundantly clear to me that the Fed won’t take action until it’s forced to by a dollar crash, a bond market collapse, or some combination of both.
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/fed-signals-all-systems-go-for-more-inflation-36299
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- Alito troubled by concerns over court's Catholics -- doran, 16:36:26 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilrSLUqiuo2NLajzD0mitKGNwM3wD9BF40LO0
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- (may be Christian!)... -- JoeB, 16:34:46 11/06/09 Fri
Wow, imagine, in a nation that's overwhelming Christian, a killer was Christian. What are the odds?
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- Christians to Get Their Own Exclusive Prison? Loopholes for Religious People Keep Growing -- doran, 16:20:14 11/06/09 Fri
"I may just have to convert to Catholicism so I can charge the US and my insurance provider to cover my near-sightedness treatments at Lourdes."
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143746/christians_to_get_their_own_exclusive_prison_loopholes_for_religious_people_keep_growing
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- Even the bugs have no clue what to do -- RIP, 16:18:54 11/06/09 Fri
It doesn't make sense.
Need I repeat the Chewbacca defense?
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- BREAKING: HIGHRISE SHOOTING SPREE IN ORLANDO -- doran (), 16:18:25 11/06/09 Fri
UPDATED: 1 killed, 5 injured, gunman now in custody (may be Christian!)...
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7503
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- Bachmann-Teabag Overdrive Features Holocaust 'Health Care' Protest Photo/Banner -- doran, 16:15:16 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7503
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- RIP - Full Spectrum Dominance, eh? -- morbius, 16:13:25 11/06/09 Fri
Nemesis.
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- Remember when... -- JoeB, 16:11:20 11/06/09 Fri
a six dollar up day was huge?
We've come along way.
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- I've had enough -- Sherlock, 16:10:50 11/06/09 Fri
See y'all Monday...http://www.marketwatch.com/story/goldman-gets-vaccine-public-is-sick-over-it-2009-11-06
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- The Asians? -- RIP, 16:10:23 11/06/09 Fri
They have no clue what to do.
Nothing is set in Asia.
And I mean nothing.
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- No hurry... a second window -- Sherlock, 16:05:59 11/06/09 Fri
Whenever a window closes they just open another... No hurry to get a job either....http://www.marketwatch.com/story/window-lengthens-for-first-time-buyer-tax-credit-2009-11-06
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- 80 Point reversal on the SM -- APOLLO, 16:05:34 11/06/09 Fri
calling out a lower USD off that report - we wake up to it on Monday. Seasonal USD chart is at our back & this report will not be liked by the Asians et al. See you Monday.
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- @ like doin' that last set of bicep curls -- BWP, 16:01:33 11/06/09 Fri
... why do they pick on us? ... the 'bugs just want $3783.72 gold ... they're shellin' out way more than that fer executive bonuses ...
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- $2.60 ta go .... -- BWP -- Earl, 15:58:33 11/06/09 Fri
It's like doin' that last set of bicep curls ........... fail
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- ... feck 'em ... feck the cruel bastards .... -- BWP, 15:57:35 11/06/09 Fri
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- $2.60 ta go .... -- BWP, 15:56:32 11/06/09 Fri
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- ... three lousy bucks away from $1100 .... -- BWP, 15:54:09 11/06/09 Fri
... c'mon, give us a break .... the 'bugs will luv ya fer it ... I know I would ...
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- RIP - Yep. It's like them horror movies -- morbius, 15:53:02 11/06/09 Fri
where the human hosting the alien slug is killed, and the slug just comes outa the dead guy's mouth and jumps into another human host.
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- BWP -- Hambone, 15:52:21 11/06/09 Fri
Yeah, I saw her. You showed her your maple and she turned into a potted plant as you weaved your way out.
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- morbius -- RIP, 15:47:43 11/06/09 Fri
The 'war party' has already taken over the Dems.
From now on...we only have good wars.
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- @ I've been at the party as long as you have -- BWP, 15:47:39 11/06/09 Fri
... so OK, did ya see the babe inna red dress by the parallel bars? ... she was goin' out wif Marvin Diddles and then I showed her my Maple and she became mine right after ... if ya were at the party, ya would have known this ...
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- The Tea Party's Takeover of the GOP -- doran -- JoeB, 15:47:31 11/06/09 Fri
Gosh, its so much better when the authoritarian left spit on soldiers and called them baby killers or set other peoples SUV's on fire or spiked trees to injure lumberjacks or threw blood on the fur coats of rich women. Yes indeed, that's the really civil, civil disobedience.
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- Doran - of course if it were a Dem gathering, -- APOLLO, 15:47:21 11/06/09 Fri
it would be the greatest cross-dressing party in DC history. By the way, did you know that a "sex change" is an approved 100% cost coverage in Obamacare?? The cost of such, exceeds the entire life-time tax payment of an average american worker - we be cutting costs alright.
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- accounting for Nadler 101 -- 2bro2b, 15:46:37 11/06/09 Fri
Accountants like double-entry bookkeeping and balance sheets and stuff so they can keep track of things. They like to record assets on one side, and liabilities on the other side, to make sure that everything adds up, to check that everything's been properly recorded. So they like to list currency as a liability of central banks (even though it isn't, because there's no promise to redeem it, or pay interest on it), and assets on the other side. An accountant would freak out if he recorded currency as a liability and couldn't find an equivalent value of assets. He would say that the central bank is a Ponzi scheme. Which of course it is. And it's just not worth the hassle of trying to explain to accountants that some Ponzi schemes are sustainable, really."
http://www.kitco.com/ind/nadler/nov062009.html
no-account adj. Informal Worthless; good-for-nothing: my no-account brother-in-law.
So Nadler is not some sort of no-account, there is just nothing in it.
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- doran - Beats the hell outa the War Party takeover of the GOP -- morbius, 15:45:11 11/06/09 Fri
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- enjoy hambone........... -- Kitcotodd, 15:45:05 11/06/09 Fri
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- BWP -- Hambone, 15:43:19 11/06/09 Fri
OH, BS. I've been at the party as long as you have, and had more to drink.
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- The Tea Party's Takeover of the GOP -- doran, 15:42:43 11/06/09 Fri
This past weekend, the Minnesota Republican went on Fox News and called on viewers to show up on the Capitol lawn on Thursday at noon for a press conference and a last ditch attempt to kill health care reform. The gathering that resulted was marked by the now-routine extremism of the Tea Party conservatives. "I'm a bitter gun owner who votes," read one sign. Others questioned President Obama’s citizenship, portrayed him as Sambo, or called him a traitor. One said, "Obama takes his orders from the Rothschilds." Old ladies wore red T-shirts decrying "Obamao care." The crowd also took spirited swipes at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. At one point someone yelled, "Put down your Botox and show yourself."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/tea-partys-takeover-gop
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- @ Things are about to change. -- BWP, 15:41:39 11/06/09 Fri
.... it's already all changed ... ya missed the party ....
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- POG up all time high -- lady_bug, 15:41:04 11/06/09 Fri
and damn stocks kept down, shorted, FED's way to control Gold, also with all thos ETF's sucking up PM money, which would have gone to PM stocks
Damn, damn
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- IAG -- APOLLO, 15:40:53 11/06/09 Fri
Alert Triggered for IAG:
IAG's Trading Volume Exceeded Daily Average by 50.0%
IAG is up $0.63 or 3.96% to $16.52 on heavy volume that exceeded
its daily average by 50.0%. This performance is better than the
broader averages as the S&P 500 is up 0.12% on the day.
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- I'm sure - -- Hambone, 15:40:03 11/06/09 Fri
you've all heard about the old saw "this time is different" when nothing is really different. But IMO, this time it really is. The last time we had unemployment like this we were net savers, ran a trade surplus, and didn't have a nearly 10% budget deficit year over year.
This time is different. Gold at a new all time high is different.
Things are about to change.
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- ... bread fer the masses ... -- BWP, 15:36:01 11/06/09 Fri
"Obama: Gov't working to ease pain of joblessness- AP"
... yeah, legalize weed and have a Free Beer Day every Tuesday ...
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- The Ft. Hood shooting was also on Guy Fawkes day -- RIP, 15:32:22 11/06/09 Fri
Discuss.
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- Is this retarded?....or is it only me. -- JoeB, 15:31:17 11/06/09 Fri
I take it that's a rhetorical question?
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- Michelle Bachmann's insurgncy tea party....on Guy Fawkes day....lol -- RIP, 15:30:16 11/06/09 Fri
"Hi everyone!" Bachmann said to the cheering crowd. "You came!" On short notice, too. Bachmann planted the seed only last week when she told Sean Hannity of Fox News that she hoped viewers would come to her press conference and then walk through the congressional office buildings, "up and down through the halls, find members of Congress, look at the whites of their eyes and say, 'Don't take away my health care.' "
http://www.slate.com/id/2234724/
Is this retarded?....or is it only me.
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- ... hard ta bleev gold won't close over $1100 ..... -- BWP, 15:28:44 11/06/09 Fri
.... no reason fer this blockage 'cept cruelty ... put up yer hand if they've been cruel ta ya .... yeah, just askin' ...
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- Kitcotodd -- Hambone, 15:24:55 11/06/09 Fri
Haven't looked at it in a long time.
Ask me next week. Having a few brews today.
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- COT report neutral -- Kitcotodd, 15:23:32 11/06/09 Fri
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- Only if -- morbius -- RIP, 15:22:09 11/06/09 Fri
Ask the artist.
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- Hambone -- Kitcotodd, 15:22:00 11/06/09 Fri
I've had a position in FRG in my core from lower levels. It's not top ten largest, but I have a fair amount. Has anything changed in the fundamentals that you can see?
Thanks in advance and hope all is well.
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- didn't you see Powell's UN presentation? -- JoeB, 15:19:47 11/06/09 Fri
File that under: bread and circuses.
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- Wall Street bankers at front of queue for scarce swine flu vaccine -- doran, 15:17:49 11/06/09 Fri
Just when you thought the popularity of Wall Street bankers had hit rock bottom, top US financial institutions have caused uproar for allegedly muscling their way to the front of the queue to get hold of scarce swine flu vaccines.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/nov/06/wall-street-bankers-swine-flue
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- Well, you knew this would come out in the liberal press -- APOLLO, 15:17:02 11/06/09 Fri
Family and fellow officers said Hasan had complained of harassment by other troops about his Middle Eastern ethnicity and Muslim faith.
Le Pouvre - he was teased, so he killed a dozen & destroyed the lives of dozens of others - people who were completely unarmed.
Unbelievable. Can you imagine what the coverage would have been if this guy listened to Rush Limbaugh every day - or worked on Wall Street or at a bank - or was a Republican or had any conservative views-thoughts about the world.
Beam me up Scotty
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- @ Predict ... Cotts -- MoreGold, 15:16:25 11/06/09 Fri
Should be pretty ugly... The Rats Are BACK...
PAPER For Everybody!
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- RIP - Only if -- morbius, 15:15:18 11/06/09 Fri
Art imitates life.
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- RIP - The UberBankster -- morbius -- RIP, 15:14:02 11/06/09 Fri
Is that out as a video game yet?
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