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Date Posted: Mon, Sep 17 2007, 9:34:32
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Subject: Are you saying two teachers from AC have been convicted in a court of law and are still teaching with AC
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's message, "Mod the IDC would have no jurisdiction, as he has left AC to create his own federation, outside of them. Whilst peoples reaction to his crime is understandable this does seem like a concerted attack against one man, who has not denied his conviction. I know of at least two similar cases within AC where there has not been such an outcry against the persons involved, and much closer to home. I do believe what SG has done should be public knowledge, and he doesn't deny it, but that it should not mean that his federation, nor the other small federations that have affiliated, should be banished. Note these other federations are fully aware of his past, and have confirmed as such to me previously." on Mon, Sep 17 2007, 9:23:11
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Irishdaz I've always respected you but you are so wrong here. What orchestrated attack? It's just parents or dancers who, quite understandably, warn each other against a child molester who, despite what you say, does not inform potential teachers or feis attenders about his conviction. At what stage during the recruitation process does he tell his teachers "Umh, there's something you need to know about me first"? CLRG for once acted well expelling him. If there are other teachers who were convicted and expelled people should be able to warn one another against them too but somehow I doubt those other teachers went ahead with creating new dance orgs, if they exist they probably crawled back where they came from. -- he's a shame, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 12:17:33 [1]
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I mean that you are attacking the whole organisation to get at the man. And yes he has set this up himself, because he loves Irish dance. My understanding is that his old school used to think he was a wonderful TCRG and actually raised $50,000 to fund his defence, so maybe he does have something to offer the world of dance. However I totally agree that we should protect our children, and I don't see anything wrong in anyone suggesting that parents Google his history before deciding to join an affiliated school. That is not the same as trying to get anything to do with WIDA banned from the voy forums. You are punishing the innocent parties, to get at the guilty if you do that. Unless you believe the TCRG at WIDA are all tarred with the same brush? -- Irishdaz, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 20:08:23 [1]
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No Irishdaz, you are wrong. I am not punishing this organization, I am not demanding it to be closed. If adult dancers or parents are ready to follow him KNOWING his background it is their prerogative and they are free to do so. The problem is that he is looking for supporters who have no idea who they are dealing with as he does not sign his name anywhere and even though he is in fact the head of the org and the highest authority his name is not officially published. There is no way an interested parent can get to know that he is a person to be careful with and need looking up googling or checking. You sign up your child for a comp and - hello - here is the convicted criminal sharing the backstage and posing for photos with them. I am surprised how easily you forget that any org should put the safety of the children first while you put his safety first. -- I'm surprised by your attitude, Mon, Sep 17 2007, 21:57:04 [1]
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you people are beyond ridiculous -- Bri (disappointed), Mon, Sep 27 2010, 21:52:32 [1]
You people need to get your facts straight. I danced for Sean as part of Sean Gavan Irish Dance Company. I began dancing for him when I was about 6 years old, up until I was about 11. He was an amazing teacher and an amazing person. His whole school loved him and knew he was innocent. Even after the accusation had been made, parents supported him and continued to bring their children to his classes. I also knew the person who accused him first hand. All I will say about the accuser is that many of my friends and family did not trust him, and he was not liked by many in the school. You people base all of your facts on google. The judge even said that Sean was not a threat to children or to the community and did not believe he was guilty. They also offered him the choices of dropping the charges to a misdemeanor which would have stayed on his record for 3 years, and by the time would have been over and done with. Instead he chose to be deported, and has always remained open with his past. Many members of An Comission shot him down simply because he reached the top. His school came from nothing, and rose to become one of the top school in the country. He is allowed to be teaching Irish Dancing and he is allowed to be around children. Anyone can get the court transcripts for their own personal viewing. And for the who still don't feel comfortable with him, he is not the one who will be teaching your child. Yes, he does have his own school, but there are many other schools and he would not be around your children. I personally plan on starting my own dance school under WIDA as do many of Sean's former dancers.
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You of all people Irishdaz should not refer to anyone in WIDA as a TCRG because they are not, TOTALLY different from An Coimisiun, AC does not allow pedophiles to run anything that is why he had to start up WIDA, nothing wrong with WIDA, just the man himself -- x, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 0:44:52 [1]
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the organisation calls them TCRG and I use the term to mean dance teacher as most people understand it as such. I am not defending him as a paedophile, and would be very cautious of my own children being around him. The point is that anyone that you trust could be a paedophile, at least we know for sure with him, and can take the necessary precautions, which include not joining WIDA if you don't want. It is right that people warn others about his personal history, so they can make an informed choice. It is wrong to want any rreference to the organisation banned from the forum, as most of the people involved are not connected to his crimes, and may not event have an option to join AC for whatever reason. Please understand I do not support him as an individual nor do I condone his past in any way, in fact I condemn such behaviour 100% -- Irishdaz, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 9:19:57 [1]
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FYI, TCRG is not just any Irish dance teacher, it's the teacher of Coimisiun or Comhdhail Rince Gaelacha (as the abbreviation shows). Other orgs have other names, for example ODCRN in CRN. WIDA teacher should be TWIDA or whatever. He is blatantly copying the name to ape the org he was expelled from and probably to mislead people who have heard of TCRGs but are not aware of the technical details, different orgs etc. -- not good intentions, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 11:16:43 [1]
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You don't get it Irishdaz - you say "at least we know for sure with him, and can take the necessary precautions, which include not joining WIDA if you don't want", the problem is people do NOT know until they join. Not everybody reads message boards and topics on him are usually quickly deleted. I received his e-mail inviting to join and (just as this ad here) there was not a word not even about his conviction but about his identity. If I got interested and decided to travel to the workshops and join the org (as a teacher) when do you think he would tell me? When I already had significant expenses and got involved? If not the boards I would never know because to google him you have to know his name and he's hiding it. I'd say that all the ads and info he posts which does not give his name should be banned. If he DOES give his name it's "buyer's risk" (I'm talking about adult teacher candidates here). -- do you get my drift?, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 12:21:29 [1]
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